Jeff Fisher out (1 Viewer)

[Sheriff66]

Sam Quentin,

Some would call the Music City Miracle a fluky play. Reverse that one, and Fisher suddenly only has three playoff wins in 16+ years instead of six.

truehe had one fluky playoff game go his way and 3-4 fluky games go against him

It's the nature of the beat - once you hit the playoffs, it's easy to get screwed by a bad break

His track record for building teams from the ground up and getting decent production is solid

Say what ?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How often was tennessee the laughing stock of the NFL? How often did teams really look forward to playing them? They were a tough out most of the time.

Where does turning over the coach every 2-3 get teams like Washington over the last decade? Dallas? San Fran? Oakland? Detroit?

Teams are too quick sometimes to launch a head coach. I think you are just looking at the bottom line and not what happened week to week when he was coaching. It's an opinion and your right to have it but it doesn't make you more right to keep saying or posting these things. In NFL circles he is pretty well thought of fyi...

I'm a Steeler fan, so I know all about it, but I just don't get the love. One and done 3 out of 6 playoff years and a losing record overall in the playoffs, color me meh on Fisher.

But see you don't...Chuck Knoll to Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin...3 head coaches in 40+ years, likely 50 before all is said and done. You get why you need to keep the same coach perhaps but that should make you appreciate the job Fisher did.

But explain what is so impressive about what he did other than not get fired. The fact that he stayed on so long only means there was no pressure to win.

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher. He could have been let go after season #4, but obviously based on him getting to the Super Bowl in year 5 the right decision was to maintain him. He posted back to back 13-3 seasons. I think you all are selling him short big time. You want a history lesson, fine...

Inherits a team in shambles and loses a Hall of Fame QB and manages to keep things at a .500 level and was revered in NFL circles for not having a lot to work with at the time. Was smart in keeping Steve McNair under wraps the first couple of seasons and allowing him to learn the game from the sidelines like many other great QBs such as one who is starting in a week, sidelines are terrific to learn from if you can the first 2-3 seasons. Baptism by fire burns up many a QB in the NFL. Very few can start from day 1.

Year 5 he gets them to the Super Bowl...ask any team that hasn't seen a Super Bowl in the last 15+ years if they would take a head coach that would require 5 years but would land them in the Super Bowl and I imagine the majority of that fan base will say "Sign me up"

He had back to back 13-3 seasons in years 5 and 6, then had a bad season in 2001. Would you have fired him right then and there? That would not be wise. Then in 2002 and 2003 thy go 23-9 and make 2 playoff appearances. From '99-'03 the Titans went 56-24 during the season and I imagine that was at least top 3-5 in the NFL...you put together that type of resume and people will hire you. In 2003 he was deemed one of the best in the NFL and this board loved him too.

Eddie Geroge went bye bye and in 2004-2006 the Titans kind of fell off the map but again he had done so well over the 5 year span I highlighted that other owners around the league were hoping the Titans would let him go.

2007 and 2008 they went to the playoffs. When did going to the playoffs 2 years in a row get you fired in the NFL? Not often unless your name is Chilly. Then he had back to back mediocre or subpar years and now he is on the street. You can bash him but he has done a fantastic job for the most part and many many teams would trade the joys of the Titans the last 15 years for what they have had to pay to watch.

Fire Sporano and get this guy down here...NOW!!!

Since 2001 Only BB, Gruden, Dungy, Cowher, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Payton have won a ring. 3 of those coaches are currently retired and 1 of those 3 not by choice (Tampa fired Gruden) so if rings are the only thing you measure a coach by then 95% of them are all failures.

 

[Sheriff66]

Since 2001 Only BB, Gruden, Dungy, Cowher, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Payton have won a ring. 3 of those coaches are currently retired and 1 of those 3 not by choice (Tampa fired Gruden) so if rings are the only thing you measure a coach by then 95% of them are all failures.

He's a good coach, but far from great IMO. So none of the bad seasons count against him?

 

[Amused to Death]

How often was tennessee the laughing stock of the NFL? How often did teams really look forward to playing them? They were a tough out most of the time.

Where does turning over the coach every 2-3 get teams like Washington over the last decade? Dallas? San Fran? Oakland? Detroit?

Teams are too quick sometimes to launch a head coach. I think you are just looking at the bottom line and not what happened week to week when he was coaching. It's an opinion and your right to have it but it doesn't make you more right to keep saying or posting these things. In NFL circles he is pretty well thought of fyi...

I'm a Steeler fan, so I know all about it, but I just don't get the love. One and done 3 out of 6 playoff years and a losing record overall in the playoffs, color me meh on Fisher.

But see you don't...Chuck Knoll to Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin...3 head coaches in 40+ years, likely 50 before all is said and done. You get why you need to keep the same coach perhaps but that should make you appreciate the job Fisher did.

But explain what is so impressive about what he did other than not get fired. The fact that he stayed on so long only means there was no pressure to win.

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher. He could have been let go after season #4, but obviously based on him getting to the Super Bowl in year 5 the right decision was to maintain him. He posted back to back 13-3 seasons. I think you all are selling him short big time. You want a history lesson, fine...

Inherits a team in shambles and loses a Hall of Fame QB and manages to keep things at a .500 level and was revered in NFL circles for not having a lot to work with at the time. Was smart in keeping Steve McNair under wraps the first couple of seasons and allowing him to learn the game from the sidelines like many other great QBs such as one who is starting in a week, sidelines are terrific to learn from if you can the first 2-3 seasons. Baptism by fire burns up many a QB in the NFL. Very few can start from day 1.

Year 5 he gets them to the Super Bowl...ask any team that hasn't seen a Super Bowl in the last 15+ years if they would take a head coach that would require 5 years but would land them in the Super Bowl and I imagine the majority of that fan base will say "Sign me up"

He had back to back 13-3 seasons in years 5 and 6, then had a bad season in 2001. Would you have fired him right then and there? That would not be wise. Then in 2002 and 2003 thy go 23-9 and make 2 playoff appearances. From '99-'03 the Titans went 56-24 during the season and I imagine that was at least top 3-5 in the NFL...you put together that type of resume and people will hire you. In 2003 he was deemed one of the best in the NFL and this board loved him too.

Eddie Geroge went bye bye and in 2004-2006 the Titans kind of fell off the map but again he had done so well over the 5 year span I highlighted that other owners around the league were hoping the Titans would let him go.

2007 and 2008 they went to the playoffs. When did going to the playoffs 2 years in a row get you fired in the NFL? Not often unless your name is Chilly. Then he had back to back mediocre or subpar years and now he is on the street. You can bash him but he has done a fantastic job for the most part and many many teams would trade the joys of the Titans the last 15 years for what they have had to pay to watch.

Fire Sporano and get this guy down here...NOW!!!

Since 2001 Only BB, Gruden, Dungy, Cowher, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Payton have won a ring. 3 of those coaches are currently retired and 1 of those 3 not by choice (Tampa fired Gruden) so if rings are the only thing you measure a coach by then 95% of them are all failures.

I'm not measuring by rings at all. But no playoff wins since '03, and only 6 of 17 seasons in the playoffs isn't screaming success to me. And yes half the league would love him as coach. He's currently 15th in playoff win % among active coaches. That's the definition of 'average'. Again, I don't see the greatness. Good though. And I'm not bashing him.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

It looks as if Fisher was trying to get fired this year. The two biggest examples were how he handled Vince Young and that game where they needed a TD and an FG to tie but kept going for the TD and scored with four seconds left.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

How often was tennessee the laughing stock of the NFL? How often did teams really look forward to playing them? They were a tough out most of the time. Where does turning over the coach every 2-3 get teams like Washington over the last decade? Dallas? San Fran? Oakland? Detroit?Teams are too quick sometimes to launch a head coach. I think you are just looking at the bottom line and not what happened week to week when he was coaching. It's an opinion and your right to have it but it doesn't make you more right to keep saying or posting these things. In NFL circles he is pretty well thought of fyi...

I'm a Steeler fan, so I know all about it, but I just don't get the love. One and done 3 out of 6 playoff years and a losing record overall in the playoffs, color me meh on Fisher.

But see you don't...Chuck Knoll to Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin...3 head coaches in 40+ years, likely 50 before all is said and done. You get why you need to keep the same coach perhaps but that should make you appreciate the job Fisher did.

You need to keep the same coach IF you have a good coach. Fisher isn't in the Knoll level of coaching.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher.

This is a HORRIBLE argument.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Since 2001 Only BB, Gruden, Dungy, Cowher, Tomlin, Coughlin, and Payton have won a ring. 3 of those coaches are currently retired and 1 of those 3 not by choice (Tampa fired Gruden) so if rings are the only thing you measure a coach by then 95% of them are all failures.

He's a good coach, but far from great IMO

No problem

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher.

This is a HORRIBLE argument.

Not really and I should have done "mediocrity" like that.Lot of teams stink. TN usually not the laughing stock of the league.

 

[Amused to Death]

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher.

This is a HORRIBLE argument.

Not really and I should have done "mediocrity" like that.Lot of teams stink. TN usually not the laughing stock of the league.

But does "usually not the laughing stock" equal great?

 

[gandalas]

I love the argument that "he only made one super bowl!". Two coaches / teams get to the super bowl each year, so it is sort of silly to get mad about a coach not having his team in the top 6% of the league each year. That type of math would suggest a coach should make the super bowl once every 15 or 16 seasons, which is technically a rate fisher was living up to. If I recall correctly, norv turner has been a head coach 12+ years and has never made it. George Karl has never made the finals in the NBA yet keeps getting work, iirc.

Point is that a coach's job is to do the best job possible with the talent given. Considering that no team has done worse picking in the first three rounds then Tennessee (Paul Williams, Tyrone calico, Andre woo folk?) then it is hard to determine that someone else would have done nearly as well with the poo poo platter fisher was given each year.

From Wikipedia: Karl returned to the NBA as coach of the Seattle SuperSonics from 1991–1998, leading them to the NBA Finals in 1996 where they lost to the Chicago Bulls in six games.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Playoff coaching wins since the last season (2003) Fisher actually won a playoff game:

Bill Belichick 8

Tony Dungy 5

Andy Reid 5

Bill Cowher 5

Mike Tomlin 5

John Harbough 4

Ken Whisenhunt 4

Mike McCarthy 4

Sean Payton 4

Tom Coughlin 4

Rex Ryan 4

Mike Holmgren 4

Lovie Smith 3

Norv Turner 3

John Fox 2

Jim Caldwell 2

Jim Mora, Jr. 1

Wade Phillips 1

Mike Shanahan 1

Jack Del Rio 1

Mike Tice 1

Brad Childress 1

Herman Edwards 1

Peter Carroll 1

Mike Martz 1

Joe Gibbs 1

 

[Lash]

i like fisher and wish he would have had control over the draft choice in '06 and we may not be looking at replacing a coach right now with several 'wasted' years coddling an 80IQ at the QB spot

those of you bashing him over the 13-3 bow-out in '08 are not Titan fans because you don't remember that...

1) Lendale White had a back-breaking fumble

2) Bo Scaife had a back-breaking fumble

3) Ed Reed injured CJ3 by a very controversial end-of (or after-the-play) extracurricular twist of the ankle that ended his game/season (not knocking Reed, he did what he had to do for his team i guess)

TEN dominated that entire game up and down the field, all those three things had to happen for BAL to win, and not sure how Fisher can be blamed for it

 

[shader]

Quick history lesson on Fisher and the Titans. Not to toot my own horn, but you might want to listen to me. I've studied this organization for ten years pretty close and have no "delusions" regarding what Fisher is and isn't.

Sometimes we tend to forget that coaches can improve! We understand that players improve, but we still rail on coaches for records from long ago.

With Floyd Reece making personnel decisions and Fisher as the coach, the Titans were one of the most physical and dominant teams in the league when they hit Nashville.

The team that went to the super bowl wasn't near as good as the team that lost to the Ravens the following year. That team had an amazing defense, and ran into another team with a defense that was just a little bit better...

I will always think that the loss to the Ravens really improved Fisher. Since then, he's never been quite as conservative as he was that year (where he'd routinely let his defense win games), where a great team lost a playoff game because he left it in the hands of a kicker.

That being said, the Titans tried to hold onto all their players after that 2000 season and began the process of extending and extending and extending players...kind of the "anti-Patriots".

In 2001, they were absolutely crushed with injuries and Fisher was unable to scheme them out of it. Their secondary was hit harder than I've seen in a long time. 7-9, but they came back with two solid playoff seasons after that.

But then the bottom absolutely fell out due to horrible cap management.

You really can't blame Fisher at all for 04 and 05 when the team won 9 games.

However, when Floyd Reece took off, the Titans made a huge mistake. A mistake that in my opinion destroys the majority of franchises that make this mistake:

They basically handed the franchise to Jeff Fisher. Mike Reinfeldt was hired, but Fisher had much more power over personnel.

I have clearly seen a difference in Fisher's coaching aptitude since he's been given increased responsibilities. I think it's just too much for most coaches.

Also, of course, is the Vince Young saga. Young was a nightmare of a draft pick and basically doomed the franchise from the moment he was selected. So much raw ability and talent, and so little work ethic.

And as we all know, teams live and die by the QB's.

There were certainly ups and downs. I think Fisher needs to take one and maybe 2 years off, and come back when the situation is right. I think he'll be a heckuva coach when he does return.

MOP, if I were you, I don't know that I'd want Fisher this year. He really needs some time off to recharge the batteries. He's been coaching for a long time without a break.

But he will be a great coach for someone in 2012.

As a Titans fan, it was time for him to leave. It's time to clean house, and get a new regime in here and a new attitude.

I think a sort of "stigma" had settled in regarding how the "Titans" do things. And it's not that it's bad, it's just that it got stale. A fresh perspective is needed, which is one reason I really hope they get an outsider and not Munchak.

 

[Lash]

with a new coach needed and a new QB needed in the WORST offseason in recent memory of trying to acquire such with the CBA and lack of coaches at this late date...

what are the chances that the Titans just bought themselves Andrew Luck after a 2-14 season in 2011?

 

[shader]

with a new coach needed and a new QB needed in the WORST offseason in recent memory of trying to acquire such with the CBA and lack of coaches at this late date...what are the chances that the Titans just bought themselves Andrew Luck after a 2-14 season in 2011?

Too much talent for 2-14. Chris Johnson and Kenny Britt are ready to explode. Jared Cook, too. Damien Williams should be much improved. Titans get their 1st round DE from last year back (he missed the last 14 games after showing tons of potential in the first couple weeks) and have an early pick.Yeah, currently the Titans only have Rusty Smith as a QB on the team. But I'm sure they'll make a move or two and get someone in here who is halfway decent, and will win 6-8 games. I honestly think a great coach, a great draft and a trade for someone like a Kyle Orton could make this a pretty good team in 2011 but we'll see.Due to the lockout, it's a heckuva bad year to change coaches, which is why I think Munchak will probably be given the keys for a year or two.

 

[Sheriff66]

How often was tennessee the laughing stock of the NFL? How often did teams really look forward to playing them? They were a tough out most of the time. Where does turning over the coach every 2-3 get teams like Washington over the last decade? Dallas? San Fran? Oakland? Detroit?Teams are too quick sometimes to launch a head coach. I think you are just looking at the bottom line and not what happened week to week when he was coaching. It's an opinion and your right to have it but it doesn't make you more right to keep saying or posting these things. In NFL circles he is pretty well thought of fyi...

I'm a Steeler fan, so I know all about it, but I just don't get the love. One and done 3 out of 6 playoff years and a losing record overall in the playoffs, color me meh on Fisher.

But see you don't...Chuck Knoll to Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin...3 head coaches in 40+ years, likely 50 before all is said and done. You get why you need to keep the same coach perhaps but that should make you appreciate the job Fisher did.

You need to keep the same coach IF you have a good coach. Fisher isn't in the Knoll level of coaching.

It's Noll, people

 

[rzrback77]

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher.

This is a HORRIBLE argument.

Not really and I should have done "mediocrity" like that.Lot of teams stink. TN usually not the laughing stock of the league.

Agree with Dr. A that teams do not set a goal of avoiding being the laughing stock and targeting mediocrity. Very bad argument.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher.

This is a HORRIBLE argument.

Not really and I should have done "mediocrity" like that.Lot of teams stink. TN usually not the laughing stock of the league.

Agree with Dr. A that teams do not set a goal of avoiding being the laughing stock and targeting mediocrity. Very bad argument.

1st of all 77 I went back and did a step by step argument, he snipped one thing and answered back in 1 sentence. That wasn't the whole post but if that is all you want to focus on then props to you and Dr.AIf anyone can go back and argue against every point I made then fine but after writing all I did and someone says "that's a bad argument"...hey go jump in a lake. That's the easiest cop out ever...take a lengthy post and just say that sux...OK what exactly is wrong when you go back and read what I wrote?He should have been fired after year 4? You can say that but history shows that they went on a 56-24 run over the next 5 years after that. Maybe other teams could learn and give coaches a full 5 years before escorting them out the door after only 1-2 and then still pay on their contract for 3 more years while they run thru another 1-2 coaches over that period. You want to bring something to the table be my guest but don't just say the premise doesn't hold water because I went thru a lot of history on Fisher so I would like someone to show where I was wrong and where they would have terminated Fisher.In fact Sheriff and someone else said that he is good not great and I don't have a problem with the statement. I never compared him to Don Shula but I think he is a vast improvement over 1/2 to maybe 2/3 of the coaches in the NFL. And I wasn't saying for them to target mediocrity...you folks really need to stop with the literal interpretation of everything, do you all do this with the bible as well? Do you believe Adam and Eve were put here 5,000 years ago?Tennessee has not been mediocre in fact they have been pretty solid the last 15 years with a couple hiccups and then the past couple seasons have not turned out very well. Miami would definitely trade the "success" that tennessee has had. I guess I have to use success since my joke or exaggeration of mediocrity doesn't seem to register with some of the audience in here. And yes it burns my ### that I post something lengthy with a lot of points in it and facts and then 1 sentence, in fact one word gets twisted or misinterpreted and suddenly the entire post is deemed worthless for some reason. It's not the first time you have done it 77. Yes all the teams I listed would trade what they have "accomplished" in the last 15 years for what Tennessee has done on the field. You can disagree, we can have different opinions, but opinions with nothing behind them shouldn't be weighted as heavy. We have posters in here talking about Fisher as a possible AC with teams and that's just insulting if you ask me. I really think he was liked by the board until VY went down the drains and many owners got a bad taste in their mouth towards Fisher. So again, FF tends to blind reality for many. I am not saying that happened to you RZR but that's how it reads form others.

 

[FUBAR]

Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, Hou, Oakland, Kansas City, Dallas, Washington, Detroit, San Fran, Arizona...I think most of those teams would trade what they have done the last 15+ years for the kind of mediocrity Tennessee has had under Fisher.

This is a HORRIBLE argument.

Not really and I should have done "mediocrity" like that.Lot of teams stink. TN usually not the laughing stock of the league.

Agree with Dr. A that teams do not set a goal of avoiding being the laughing stock and targeting mediocrity. Very bad argument.

1st of all 77 I went back and did a step by step argument, he snipped one thing and answered back in 1 sentence. That wasn't the whole post but if that is all you want to focus on then props to you and Dr.AIf anyone can go back and argue against every point I made then fine but after writing all I did and someone says "that's a bad argument"...hey go jump in a lake. That's the easiest cop out ever...take a lengthy post and just say that sux...OK what exactly is wrong when you go back and read what I wrote?

He should have been fired after year 4? You can say that but history shows that they went on a 56-24 run over the next 5 years after that. Maybe other teams could learn and give coaches a full 5 years before escorting them out the door after only 1-2 and then still pay on their contract for 3 more years while they run thru another 1-2 coaches over that period.

You want to bring something to the table be my guest but don't just say the premise doesn't hold water because I went thru a lot of history on Fisher so I would like someone to show where I was wrong and where they would have terminated Fisher.

In fact Sheriff and someone else said that he is good not great and I don't have a problem with the statement. I never compared him to Don Shula but I think he is a vast improvement over 1/2 to maybe 2/3 of the coaches in the NFL.

And I wasn't saying for them to target mediocrity...you folks really need to stop with the literal interpretation of everything, do you all do this with the bible as well? Do you believe Adam and Eve were put here 5,000 years ago?

Tennessee has not been mediocre in fact they have been pretty solid the last 15 years with a couple hiccups and then the past couple seasons have not turned out very well. Miami would definitely trade the "success" that tennessee has had. I guess I have to use success since my joke or exaggeration of mediocrity doesn't seem to register with some of the audience in here.

And yes it burns my ### that I post something lengthy with a lot of points in it and facts and then 1 sentence, in fact one word gets twisted or misinterpreted and suddenly the entire post is deemed worthless for some reason. It's not the first time you have done it 77. Yes all the teams I listed would trade what they have "accomplished" in the last 15 years for what Tennessee has done on the field. You can disagree, we can have different opinions, but opinions with nothing behind them shouldn't be weighted as heavy.

We have posters in here talking about Fisher as a possible AC with teams and that's just insulting if you ask me.

I really think he was liked by the board until VY went down the drains and many owners got a bad taste in their mouth towards Fisher. So again, FF tends to blind reality for many. I am not saying that happened to you RZR but that's how it reads form others.

The Titans have been better than half the teams in the league and (probably) worse than half. That's pretty much the definition of mediocrity.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Titans have been better than half the teams in the league and (probably) worse than half. That's pretty much the definition of mediocrity.

Oh Really?For a large chunk of Jeff Fisher's tenure they were very good. That link shows that from 1999-2008 the Titans were #5 in the NFL with wins vs losses...as I said, a lot of teams would have loved to have been that mediocre.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

The Titans have been better than half the teams in the league and (probably) worse than half. That's pretty much the definition of mediocrity.

Oh Really?For a large chunk of Jeff Fisher's tenure they were very good. That link shows that from 1999-2008 the Titans were #5 in the NFL with wins vs losses...as I said, a lot of teams would have loved to have been that mediocre.

Extending this argument, it's clear they now suck. So whatever once made him a great coach is now gone. It's best to not live in the past. Time for the Titans to move on.

 

[metoo]

Fisher isn't taking a coordinator job folks. He'll sit out, probably do a media gig, and take his top choice of jobs in the next year or two.

Does he get a job over Cower or Gruden if they're on the market?

I'd hire him over Gruden.

 

[Bri]

The player turnover in Tennessee was almost cruel. Without digesting that, you'll never appreciate Fisher or his staff.

I do see several people ignoring that in this thread and it'd be pointless to go round N round with them then.

In my opinion, Munchak and Washburn are a gigantic part of Fisher's success. I believe those are two of the best line coaches ever. I've never seen such a turnstile of players and it just didn't matter. If they got an undrafted free agent-he was good. If they got a third rounder-he'd play like a first rounder. Free agent castoff-he'd look like a gem. Those two were magicians.

I do believe that Fisher's job is oh so much easier (almost) not having to worry about the lines and again, those two were such a huge part of Fisher's time in TEN.

I am extremely curious how he will do without them. I don't know about either of those two as a head coach or coordinator or any sort of promotion if they were to be offered, but as line coaches-they rock. Eagles are going to love Washburn.

Every Lions fan should be almost harassing the Lions brass to overpay Munchak like 6 mil per year to get him. I do think if any team signs Munchak that their line will be a top unit. Schwartz probably loves the guy and ....I just think that would be so huge for the Lions, so huge. Got a prob with the holes for Best or Smith? Not enough time for Calvin to get open? Is their any "glass" concern for Stafford? Or even just that he needs more time. I believe all those concerns are instantly gone if they were to land him.

Twist that back to Munchak coaching Fisher's line and you see why I said as such above.

The Titans have had HOF or team HOF type quality linemen leave and they didn't miss a beat.

 

[PennStater77]

VY isn't coming back.. Guy is a complete cancer.

As for Fisher, he is a good coach, but "great"? Come on. The guy had 1 super bowl appearence in 17 years, 6 winning seasons, losing playoff record.

They showed a stat compared to guys with 10+ year with one team and Fisher stats were one of the worst.

As for a replacement. Tennessee better be looking in the college ranks. Peterson, Stoops, Patterson.. I would even take a guy like Mularkey.

But he "does more with less," than in any coach in the league. My question (if I were an NFL owner) is why does he most of the time have less? Even if he is not the decision maker, after 15 or so years the owner and GM don't give enough a flip about what the head coach wants to attempt to get Fisher's type of players. Do I really want a guy with no more ability to influence people than that leading my franchise? Outside of his 13-3 year with Collins as primary QB, he has not really done more with less. The Titans were good when they have a legitimate NFL QB, a solid run game and a "freak" pass rusher, most other times average marked the performance of the Titans. I mean, Lovie Smith is on the same career track as Fisher, but nobody calls that guy a top five coach in the league or an excellent coach . Most coaches are bottom lined judged, but somehow Fisher avoids his slightly above mediocore record.

I don't get the he does more with less argument? What does he do more with less? He has just as many .500 seasons as he has winning seasons. The guy can be considered a good motivator, but a great coach? I can name alot more that are better.

 

[Marmalade]

If I was Adams I would try and borrow the blue print that Pittsburgh has been using for last decade. Whatever it is that Pittsburgh does to find a HC, that is what I would do. And, I would get a franchise type QB. Just look at STL with Bradford, they are on their way up and fast.

 

[FUBAR]

The Titans have been better than half the teams in the league and (probably) worse than half. That's pretty much the definition of mediocrity.

Oh Really?For a large chunk of Jeff Fisher's tenure they were very good. That link shows that from 1999-2008 the Titans were #5 in the NFL with wins vs losses...as I said, a lot of teams would have loved to have been that mediocre.

Do we measure success simply by his best 10 regular season records? Overall he has a .542 record, which is #10 among current coaches - behind Tom Coughlin, Lovie Smith, Wade Phillips, and Mike Shanahan, among others. If we look at average finish within a division, he ranks 20th among head coaches who held the job in 2010. The Titans are one of 14 teams to never win a Super Bowl - granted, he's only responsible for 17 of those 51 years. I might be miscounting, but it appears to me that during Fisher's tenure, 12 teams have won the Super Bowl. The Titans are one of 21 teams who have made the Super Bowl, many of these have made it more than once.

He has been remarkably average, nothing more, nothing less.

I realize this is starting to sound like I'm bitter, which I'm not. I'm simply stating that he is not one of the truly great coaches.

 

[cobalt_27]

Fisher isn't taking a coordinator job folks. He'll sit out, probably do a media gig, and take his top choice of jobs in the next year or two.

Does he get a job over Cower or Gruden if they're on the market?

I'd hire him over Gruden.

 

[gpthatsme]

The Titans have been better than half the teams in the league and (probably) worse than half. That's pretty much the definition of mediocrity.

Oh Really?For a large chunk of Jeff Fisher's tenure they were very good. That link shows that from 1999-2008 the Titans were #5 in the NFL with wins vs losses...as I said, a lot of teams would have loved to have been that mediocre.

Do we measure success simply by his best 10 regular season records? Overall he has a .542 record, which is #10 among current coaches - behind Tom Coughlin, Lovie Smith, Wade Phillips, and Mike Shanahan, among others. If we look at average finish within a division, he ranks 20th among head coaches who held the job in 2010. The Titans are one of 14 teams to never win a Super Bowl - granted, he's only responsible for 17 of those 51 years. I might be miscounting, but it appears to me that during Fisher's tenure, 12 teams have won the Super Bowl. The Titans are one of 21 teams who have made the Super Bowl, many of these have made it more than once.

He has been remarkably average, nothing more, nothing less.

I realize this is starting to sound like I'm bitter, which I'm not. I'm simply stating that he is not one of the truly great coaches.

He only coached the team for the full season for 16 years, not 17. His first season in 94, he only coached the last 6 games after Pardee was fired. And he turned that 2-14 1994 team into a 7-9 1995 team in his first full year which was an amazing feat in itself. So, considering that during the 10 year stretch of 1999 to 2008 he was in the top 5 in wins vs losses; and the 4 years prior to the 1999 season were spent in complete chaos yet he was able cobble together a 31-33 record (2 years in a fanless stadium in Houston, 1 year in Memphis, a city that hated them because they knew it was a temporary stop, and 1 year at the crappy Vanderbilt stadium) I think you can really only complain about the last two seasons. Yes, the last two have been disasterous and added to the amazingly marginal success he had during the 4 seasons of turmail prior to 1999, it really brings down the tremendous success he had during that 10 year run. But with those items in mind, it's hard to say he's been a "remarkably average" coach over his entire tenure. I know the numbers may say that, but just like we talk about all the time, numbers don't always tell the truth about a player or coach. 4 "remarkably average" years during the toughest transition of possibly any pro franchise in the history of professional sports, 10 solid years of huge success, and 2 down years at the end due to QB & staff turmoil.I'm somewhat glad he's gone and that we are now moving towards something fresh and new, but he's a damn good coach.

 

[Bri]

If I was Adams I would try and borrow the blue print that Pittsburgh has been using for last decade. Whatever it is that Pittsburgh does to find a HC, that is what I would do. And, I would get a franchise type QB. Just look at STL with Bradford, they are on their way up and fast.

they spent a first on McNair and spent a first on Young. Kerry seems to be done so they only have Rusty. Everything points toward them drafting one.

 

[Joe Summer]

The Titans have been better than half the teams in the league and (probably) worse than half. That's pretty much the definition of mediocrity.

Only a Shark Pooler could school you on the definition of "mediocrity" while flubbing the definition of "half".

 

[FUBAR]

The Titans have been better than half the teams in the league and (probably) worse than half. That's pretty much the definition of mediocrity.

Oh Really?For a large chunk of Jeff Fisher's tenure they were very good. That link shows that from 1999-2008 the Titans were #5 in the NFL with wins vs losses...as I said, a lot of teams would have loved to have been that mediocre.

Do we measure success simply by his best 10 regular season records? Overall he has a .542 record, which is #10 among current coaches - behind Tom Coughlin, Lovie Smith, Wade Phillips, and Mike Shanahan, among others. If we look at average finish within a division, he ranks 20th among head coaches who held the job in 2010. The Titans are one of 14 teams to never win a Super Bowl - granted, he's only responsible for 17 of those 51 years. I might be miscounting, but it appears to me that during Fisher's tenure, 12 teams have won the Super Bowl. The Titans are one of 21 teams who have made the Super Bowl, many of these have made it more than once.

He has been remarkably average, nothing more, nothing less.

I realize this is starting to sound like I'm bitter, which I'm not. I'm simply stating that he is not one of the truly great coaches.

He only coached the team for the full season for 16 years, not 17. His first season in 94, he only coached the last 6 games after Pardee was fired. And he turned that 2-14 1994 team into a 7-9 1995 team in his first full year which was an amazing feat in itself. So, considering that during the 10 year stretch of 1999 to 2008 he was in the top 5 in wins vs losses; and the 4 years prior to the 1999 season were spent in complete chaos yet he was able cobble together a 31-33 record (2 years in a fanless stadium in Houston, 1 year in Memphis, a city that hated them because they knew it was a temporary stop, and 1 year at the crappy Vanderbilt stadium) I think you can really only complain about the last two seasons. Yes, the last two have been disasterous and added to the amazingly marginal success he had during the 4 seasons of turmail prior to 1999, it really brings down the tremendous success he had during that 10 year run. But with those items in mind, it's hard to say he's been a "remarkably average" coach over his entire tenure. I know the numbers may say that, but just like we talk about all the time, numbers don't always tell the truth about a player or coach. 4 "remarkably average" years during the toughest transition of possibly any pro franchise in the history of professional sports, 10 solid years of huge success, and 2 down years at the end due to QB & staff turmoil.I'm somewhat glad he's gone and that we are now moving towards something fresh and new, but he's a damn good coach.

You can make excuses all day, if he were a great coach he'd have risen above the situation (and I hardly consider that 4 year patch to be the hardest challenge a team has faced in the history of pro sports). The QB turmoil can be at least partially attributed to him. I won't consider any 10 year era to be a "huge success" without a Super Bowl victory or at the least, more than one appearance.

 

[FUBAR]

If I was Adams I would try and borrow the blue print that Pittsburgh has been using for last decade. Whatever it is that Pittsburgh does to find a HC, that is what I would do. And, I would get a franchise type QB. Just look at STL with Bradford, they are on their way up and fast.

they spent a first on McNair and spent a first on Young. Kerry seems to be done so they only have Rusty. Everything points toward them drafting one.

You're probably right but I don't see a true franchise QB in this draft although I like a couple to be above average starters. Might be worth taking with their first, but don't expect Bradford type success from any of these guys.