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Oof. Good call. I was coming up with cheeky titles just now, but in the interest of staying on the boards, I'll refrain.There is a certain irony to the thread title.
Oof. Good call. I was coming up with cheeky titles just now, but in the interest of staying on the boards, I'll refrain.There is a certain irony to the thread title.
I took the original post to mean the clock is ticking on days she has left alive. If they could get Epstein killed in jail, certainly saying goodbye to her on the outside will be a breeze.To get to them you have to go through the perpetrators.
He could have freaked out from anxiety, had palpitations of some sort, the prison is forced to transmit him to an ICU, he hangs himself like he wanted to.
If we're going full (which I never recommend) -- who is it that's got a yes man currently controlling the DOJ and that federal prison, also has extensive ties to Epstein, and shares an affinity for authoritarian leaders who routinely kill people who threaten their power?The Clinton crew skates free again. Was there ever a doubt?
LolThe Clinton crew skates free again. Was there ever a doubt?
There are neutral explanations like that, or a guard just figured it's jailhouse justice to let him off himself, or maybe JE persuaded a guard to give him some space.He could have freaked out from anxiety, had palpitations of some sort, the prison is forced to transmit him to an ICU, he hangs himself like he wanted to.
It's not that far-fetched at all, but will only lead to conspiracy theories that are justifiable, really.
That's what Sinn pointed out and I agree of course.They could civilly sue his estate
Who??If we're going full (which I never recommend) -- who is it that's got a yes man currently controlling the DOJ and that federal prison, also has extensive ties to Epstein, and shares an affinity for authoritarian leaders who routinely kill people who threaten their power?
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you or pooh-poohing your frustration. It was just spitballing.There are neutral explanations like that, or a guard just figured it's jailhouse justice to let him off himself, or maybe JE persuaded a guard to give him some space.
I'd keep in mind that Epstein basically had the guards working for him in Broward when he was in jail before, and visitor logs were lost. The man was very persuasive, that's all. That's not conspiratorial, that's looking at actual events.
But like I said above this prison handles the worst of the worst and he was in special housing which I think is a kind of isolation. And this was his second attempt. This is really rare there, this is supposed to be the best prepared unit in the bureau of prisons.
good oneIf we're going full (which I never recommend) -- who is it that's got a yes man currently controlling the DOJ and that federal prison, also has extensive ties to Epstein, and shares an affinity for authoritarian leaders who routinely kill people who threaten their power?
Sometimes the safeguards we put into administrative procedure to safeguard one's liberties trump the interest in finding out the truth. This is one of those times.
Who rode the Lolita Express 30 times to Theo’s private island and around the world and recived millions from his Democrat fundraising? Bill Clinton.If we're going full (which I never recommend) -- who is it that's got a yes man currently controlling the DOJ and that federal prison, also has extensive ties to Epstein, and shares an affinity for authoritarian leaders who routinely kill people who threaten their power?
Right now the way I'm reading the news it sounds like he was given space to do what he did. That is, yeah, suicide happened.Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you or pooh-poohing your frustration. It was just spitballing.
I'm trying to find a personal Ockham or Occam level here.
Buddy, Bill Barr's deputy AG instructed Bureau of Prisons to hold Paul Manafort at Manhattan CC instead of sending him to Rikers. If you want an org chart for how this works I'll be glad to get you one.Who rode the Lolita Express 30 times to Theo’s private island and around the world and recived millions from his Democrat fundraising? Bill Clinton.
If you are looking for people who may be better off with Epstein unable to cut a deal - I'd say the list is long, but distinguished.Who rode the Lolita Express 30 times to Theo’s private island and around the world and recived millions from his Democrat fundraising? Bill Clinton.
See my above comment about safeguards for liberty written into administrative procedure.Right now the way I'm reading the news it sounds like he was given space to do what he did. That is, yeah, suicide happened.
And if that's the case someone in Bureau of Prisons really needs to be held responsible. And simple negligence is Occam's Razor but as far as I'm concerned thunder should rain down on who is responsible regardless.
Sorry I hadn’t caught up yetThat's what Sinn pointed out and I agree of course.
At the expense of betraying favoritism towards one President or the other, the bodies and actual perjuries seem to pile up at one's feet rather than the other. That's all I'll say about both, as both are odious and have odious org charts.Buddy, Bill Barr's deputy AG instructed Bureau of Prisons to hold Paul Manafort at Manhattan CC instead of sending him to Rikers. If you want an org chart for how this works I'll be glad to get you one.
Sometimes bad things happen due to "administrative mistakes" and after an administrative shell game all go on with their lives. Except for the dead person and his victims.Sometimes the safeguards we put into administrative procedure to safeguard one's liberties trump the interest in finding out the truth. This is one of those times.
When I think of conspiracy theories there’s generally a long chain of assumptions. This one really doesn’t require much. We know what he did, we know he catered to wealthy people, and we know he was being kept in a manner that made suicide impossible.He could have freaked out from anxiety, had palpitations of some sort, the prison is forced to transmit him to an ICU, he hangs himself like he wanted to.
It's not that far-fetched at all, but will only lead to conspiracy theories that are justifiable, really.
Sometimes bad things happen due to "administrative mistakes" and after an administrative shell game all go on with their lives. Except for the dead person and his victims.
I agree with both of these comments, by the way. I want to see how this shakes out in terms of the reporting. We'll never get a definitive story.When I think of conspiracy theories there’s generally a long chain of assumptions. This one really doesn’t require much. We know what he did, we know he catered to wealthy people, and we know he was being kept in a manner that made suicide impossible.
The move to he had to have help is basically one obvious step away from the facts.
It was Trump on behalf of THE RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!Buddy, Bill Barr's deputy AG instructed Bureau of Prisons to hold Paul Manafort at Manhattan CC instead of sending him to Rikers. If you want an org chart for how this works I'll be glad to get you one.
There are privacy issues so no 24 hour recording, but hanging yourself requires a fair amount of time and means.See my above comment about safeguards for liberty written into administrative procedure.
I've personally seen instances (we'll call it that) of how liberty buts up against incarceration or removal from society at most points along the continuum. Much like Tinker and schools, you don't shed your constitutional rights at the door of the prison.
The Clintons are absolutely on the hook for being found in the disgustingness that surrounds this human excrement, but getting back to your excellent point please someone figure out a rational way to insert them in a line of command from the AG to the guard at MCC SHU cell no. Xyz. That doesn’t put it on Trump either btw, best explanation right now is sheer stupid mind numbing incompetence.At the expense of betraying favoritism towards one President or the other, the bodies and actual perjuries seem to pile up at one's feet rather than the other. That's all I'll say about both, as both are odious and have odious org charts.
It requires no restraints on your transfer to the ICU with only a few minutes in between nurse visits. Not hard to imagine at all.There are privacy issues so no 24 hour recording, but hanging yourself requires a fair amount of time and means.
That is...just...not unbelievable at all until there's some transparency and some answers.#EpsteinWasQ now trending
Oh look a baseless accusation.The Clinton crew skates free again. Was there ever a doubt?
I think you are underestimating how difficult it is to hang oneself.It requires no restraints on your transfer to the ICU with only a few minutes in between nurse visits. Not hard to imagine at all.
Of course, it could have been a guard looking the other way or providing the means, but we'll never know that.
Don't cross the Queen mum...How come no ones blaming the royal family yet?
I regularly poop on the mass of conspiracy theories that roll around here. This one - yeah, there was "help". One wonders what will happen with all the contents of his safe now.I agree with both of these comments, by the way. I want to see how this shakes out in terms of the reporting. We'll never get a definitive story.
Well, there are a lot of dead bodies that seem to turn up around the Clintons.Lol
With president “lock her up” Trump and his hand picked AG, I’m just going to go out on a limb and say he’d be very much alive and well if it was just Clinton he had any dirt on.
But that’s just me.
I get your comment and its likely intent, but that's because they don't have the history of Clinton or Trump, if I'm not mistaken. Di happened in the streets for everyone to see. Could it have been the driver? Sure. Doubtfully. But a high speed chase with driver error is way more plausible than authorities with direct lines to two presidents not watching this guy in jail when everybody knew he likely wouldn't make it if they didn't keep careful watch on him.How come no ones blaming the royal family yet?
Bed, sheet, fan or other divider.I think you are underestimating how difficult it is to hang oneself.
It requires three steps. The first is taking him off suicide watch, which I take it meant he had access to stuff prisoners ordinarily have access to. The second is keeping him in SHU which according to the former USA SDNY isn’t supposed to happen. The third is the guard or guards not paying attention or looking the other way.It requires no restraints on your transfer to the ICU with only a few minutes in between nurse visits. Not hard to imagine at all.
Of course, it could have been a guard looking the other way or providing the means, but we'll never know that.
Seriously?The Clinton crew skates free again. Was there ever a doubt?
I think just strike Clinton out that sentence so that it reads "The ____ crew skates free again," and you've got the sentiment of about ninety percent of the people remotely following this.Seriously?
You know else where a lot of dead bodies turn up around?Well, there are a lot of dead bodies that seem to turn up around the Clintons.
“The 2 Live crew skates free again,"I think just strike Clinton out that sentence so that it reads "The ____ crew skates free again," and you've got the sentiment of about ninety percent of the people remotely following this.
Epstein is a prism where anyone who hates anyone can see what they want to see.I think just strike Clinton out that sentence so that it reads "The ____ crew skates free again," and you've got the sentiment of about ninety percent of the people remotely following this.
VINCE FOSTER KILLED JEFFREY EPSTEIN!!!!1!!!!!Bed, sheet, fan or other divider.
Probably likely standard in all hospital rooms that one must transfer to.
But your point is taken. Like I said, I pooh-pooh nothing and am only trying to determine my own level of org. chart and Occam on this one.
Bodies do seem to follow the Clintons, iniquity; Trump. It's not pretty.
I have no idea what SHU is. I would imagine upon transfer into a hospital room that things get hectic and protocol is not totally followed by hospital staff, who have other things on their mind.It requires three steps. The first is taking him off suicide watch, which I take it meant he had access to stuff prisoners ordinarily have access to. The second is keeping him in SHU which according to the former USA SDNY isn’t supposed to happen. The third is the guard or guards not paying attention or looking the other way.
This is somewhat high-level intraboard analogy shtick. Not quite Hoard's deep one-liners. But still calculus.You know else where a lot of dead bodies turn up around?
Drunk drivers and knives. Should we ban cars and knives?