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Jerious Norwood - future stud RB (1 Viewer)
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nittanylion
Footballguy
When it comes to the '07 Falcons, at this particular moment in time, I'm inclined to take a pass on the whole shooting match until a # of things become more clear...
1: A new Head Coach / Coaching Staff - I don't think anyone can accurately predict, right now, exactly what to expect...for all the pre-Draft talk about Petrino and the schemes he ran in the NCAA's, I'm sure any # of us were absolutely flabbergasted when the Falcons didn't draft an RB that fit the 'Petrino mold', and opted to stand pat with the hand he's been dealt.
2: Mike Vick - The walking definition of the word 'Enigma'...and fresh of the Schaub trade, he's finding his way into negative off the field situations. I don't think anyone on this board has the slightest ounce of faith that Joey Harrington can accomplish anything of significance in the pivot if called upon.
3: WR/TE's - I find it quite hard to believe that either Michael Jenkins or Roddy White are as bad as Vick makes them look. They both brought pretty decent games to the pros, and on another team, I think both would be regarded somewhat more highly than they are in Atl. I have to wonder what Joe Horn was thinking signing with the Falcons - it seems as if, in recent years, Atlanta is where WR go to die...and I'm sure there are a large %age of us who are hoping that Crumpler's injuries aren't chronic.
Something about Vick and the Falcons offense that completely flummoxes me year in and year out is how an above-average receiving RB like Dunn has been relegated to an afterthought in the passing game. A guy with his talents should be catching 40+ balls a year. Norwood is the 'hot topic' right now, and certainly showed some aptitude for the NFL game in his limited exposure last year, but Warrick Dunn, despite his advancing age, is a pretty tough, and versatile RB, and has the body of work to prove it. I don't think he's ready to be called Warrick 'Done' just yet, but I think the bigger issue is the clouds surrounding the big picture here, which is enough to keep me off either of the backs and let others take the risk of striking it rich with either one in '07, while I take my chances with the Deuce McAllister's and Fred Taylor's of the world at right around the same ADP.
I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
1: A new Head Coach / Coaching Staff - I don't think anyone can accurately predict, right now, exactly what to expect...for all the pre-Draft talk about Petrino and the schemes he ran in the NCAA's, I'm sure any # of us were absolutely flabbergasted when the Falcons didn't draft an RB that fit the 'Petrino mold', and opted to stand pat with the hand he's been dealt.
2: Mike Vick - The walking definition of the word 'Enigma'...and fresh of the Schaub trade, he's finding his way into negative off the field situations. I don't think anyone on this board has the slightest ounce of faith that Joey Harrington can accomplish anything of significance in the pivot if called upon.
3: WR/TE's - I find it quite hard to believe that either Michael Jenkins or Roddy White are as bad as Vick makes them look. They both brought pretty decent games to the pros, and on another team, I think both would be regarded somewhat more highly than they are in Atl. I have to wonder what Joe Horn was thinking signing with the Falcons - it seems as if, in recent years, Atlanta is where WR go to die...and I'm sure there are a large %age of us who are hoping that Crumpler's injuries aren't chronic.
Something about Vick and the Falcons offense that completely flummoxes me year in and year out is how an above-average receiving RB like Dunn has been relegated to an afterthought in the passing game. A guy with his talents should be catching 40+ balls a year. Norwood is the 'hot topic' right now, and certainly showed some aptitude for the NFL game in his limited exposure last year, but Warrick Dunn, despite his advancing age, is a pretty tough, and versatile RB, and has the body of work to prove it. I don't think he's ready to be called Warrick 'Done' just yet, but I think the bigger issue is the clouds surrounding the big picture here, which is enough to keep me off either of the backs and let others take the risk of striking it rich with either one in '07, while I take my chances with the Deuce McAllister's and Fred Taylor's of the world at right around the same ADP.
I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
So, when Vick get suspended for the yr.. what does Joey Harrington do to Norwoods numbers.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I don't see Vick getting suspended for the year. They are a long way from him getting suspended at all, and if he were suspended the duration I've seen being floated about is a game or two. Obviously that could change the more that comes out . . .
My impressions are:
He has very long legs for a RB.
He cuts very sharp
His overall speed is ordinary
He is not afraid of contact
He appears to have very good vision.
The Atlanta Oline is really good
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I've just been lurking on this thread but I firmly believe that if you are calling Norwood's speed "ordinary" you must not have watched very much of him last year. I have never seen a back make cuts at the speed he does. I would most definitely call his speed extra-ordinary.
He has very long legs for a RB.
He cuts very sharp
His overall speed is ordinary
He is not afraid of contact
He appears to have very good vision.
The Atlanta Oline is really good
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I've just been lurking on this thread but I firmly believe that if you are calling Norwood's speed "ordinary" you must not have watched very much of him last year. I have never seen a back make cuts at the speed he does. I would most definitely call his speed extra-ordinary.
nittanylion said:I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli Jason Snelling winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
nittany, some great analysis there. I added my one edit to your thoughts.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
If he's not fragile the skys the limit no doubt. But as an owner im cautiously optimistic and smell a little Chris Brown in him.
Isn't Snelling most likely will just be the GL back for Petrino? I dont think that guy has what it takes to be an everydown back (slow). How about the UDFA Vincent? any chance he emerge this year? or too soon for that?nittanylion said:I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli Jason Snelling winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
The point is just that it's wide open enough that seemingly unlikely outcomes are not as remote as we think. Snelling seems like just a GL back type, but the opportunity will there for someone to seize... Dunn, Norwood, Snelling, Mughelli, I dunno, DJ Shockley converting to RB... It really was a headscratcher when Petrino did not take an RB with one of their many early 2nd day picks.Isn't Snelling most likely will just be the GL back for Petrino? I dont think that guy has what it takes to be an everydown back (slow). How about the UDFA Vincent? any chance he emerge this year? or too soon for that?nittanylion said:I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli Jason Snelling winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
OK. Explain this to me like I'm a one year old. What's to scratch your head about? If they like the stable of backs, why spend an early pick? Everyone's assuming Petrino just had to have a big back. Maybe that's not entirely true? Maybe the running scheme won't change as much as we're all expecting?The point is just that it's wide open enough that seemingly unlikely outcomes are not as remote as we think. It really was a headscratcher when Petrino did not take an RB with one of their many early 2nd day picks.Isn't Snelling most likely will just be the GL back for Petrino? I dont think that guy has what it takes to be an everydown back (slow). How about the UDFA Vincent? any chance he emerge this year? or too soon for that?nittanylion said:I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli Jason Snelling winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
I posted this in another Norwood thread. The Falcons not taking a RB has everything to do with McKay and nothing to do with Petrino, opinion. Fellow Norwood owner in multiple leagues...The point is just that it's wide open enough that seemingly unlikely outcomes are not as remote as we think. Snelling seems like just a GL back type, but the opportunity will there for someone to seize... Dunn, Norwood, Snelling, Mughelli, I dunno, DJ Shockley converting to RB... It really was a headscratcher when Petrino did not take an RB with one of their many early 2nd day picks.Isn't Snelling most likely will just be the GL back for Petrino? I dont think that guy has what it takes to be an everydown back (slow). How about the UDFA Vincent? any chance he emerge this year? or too soon for that?nittanylion said:I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli Jason Snelling winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
Normally, I would agree with your statement in the bolded part. However, here is what I see in Atlanta.
Blank, McKay and Co. know what they are doing. Speaking specifically to McKay, he has damn near an infinite amount of NFL personnel and scouting knowledge over Petrino. That is not knocking Petrino's background and short stint in the NFL. Mckay has just been at this gig a LONG time. Overall the Falcons scouting department is very good...very, very good. Specifically, they pound the southeastern colleges and Norwood, while playing for a horrible MSU program, was someone that would have been on their radar. The Falcons knew what they were getting. McKay's thumbprint is slowly being placed on Falcon moves. Norwood is his guy. He will have a pass in 2007.
Today, especially considering what the Falcons did and did not do in the draft, that matters more than Norwood being in or out of favor with Petrino. Norwood will get his chance this season. Now, if the Falcons draft another back in the 1st or 2nd round in 2008, then it is clear Petrino and McKay have reached some type of agreement that Norwood does not fit the scheme and or system or Norwood just failed to show. For the time being, though, the front office...McKay...feels strongly about the player...Norwood...they plucked from last year's draft.
Petrino probably had little say in what players were taken by the Falcons this year. (For recent examples of college coaches running franchises into the ground because they do not know what they do not know see the Redskins, Browns and Dolphins.) McKay is smarter than that. He is much smarter than that and he is not going to start letting Petrino push buttons on personnel and human capital decisions just yet. Blank is a fairly decent judge of talent and decent business man too. There is a reason he hired McKay. My feeling is that Blank has very clear lines of business within his organization between scouting and coaching. Just a gut call but I do not see Petrino crossing boundaries and overriding McKay at this point in time.
It is still too early to make a call better D. Williams and Norwood. Conversely, I would not worry about the dynamic between the new coaching regime and Norwood; his workload and opportunity. That kid will get his touches this year.
Warpig
Footballguy
Uh...exsqueeze me...come again.What are you saying here?Sigmund Bloom said:
I've been watching this Vick thing with alterior motives. I know Harrington blows so I was thinking that maybe, just maybe Shockley might get a chance to take the reigns.
What is this madness you speak of Shockley moving to RB? Hell, they should have done this with Vick years ago.
I pulled that out of my rear end to illustrate how baffling the situation is. I don't really think Shockley could convert, and ive certainly heard nothing that would lead me to believe that they would do that. Shockley could indeed become relevant if Vick is a character casualty.Uh...exsqueeze me...come again.What are you saying here?Sigmund Bloom said:
I've been watching this Vick thing with alterior motives. I know Harrington blows so I was thinking that maybe, just maybe Shockley might get a chance to take the reigns.
What is this madness you speak of Shockley moving to RB? Hell, they should have done this with Vick years ago.
Warpig
Footballguy
Whew! Some things you should just keep in your rear instead of pulling them out and sharing with others.I pulled that out of my rear end to illustrate how baffling the situation is. I don't really think Shockley could convert, and ive certainly heard nothing that would lead me to believe that they would do that. Shockley could indeed become relevant if Vick is a character casualty.Uh...exsqueeze me...come again.What are you saying here?Sigmund Bloom said:
I've been watching this Vick thing with alterior motives. I know Harrington blows so I was thinking that maybe, just maybe Shockley might get a chance to take the reigns.
What is this madness you speak of Shockley moving to RB? Hell, they should have done this with Vick years ago.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
FWIW - I'm looking at both in the 5th round of a dynasty initial draft. Leaning towards Norwood. Maybe he's another year out from solid (dependable) production, but he doesn't have the nagging injuries and ?'able drive that LW aparently does. White's immediate opportunity looks better, but TEN also took C Henry in the 3rd - and are still allegedly shopping for a vet FA to bring in some competition - so that could turn into a RBBC on a avg. running team.Both have QBs that will vulture 'rushing' TDs on draws, broken plays, etc. - so that's about a wash.For me, it comes down to can you afford to wait one more year - for a RB that *could* be special. I'm not getting caught up in the 'skinny legs' and runs too upright for me opinions. Just watch that clip and think about what might be possible, if he were given even the 70% side of a RBBC - not to mention a shot at a FT back.Anyone else have a feeling on where Norwood is a good pick in a dynasty draft (s/u)?I've seen him go from R3 to R6 in the drafts I'm tracking.
EBF
Footballguy
He certainly has the talent to exceed that ADP. But he does have chicken legs and it's hard for me to imagine him holding up to 250+ carries a year. The best case scenario is probably that he becomes a poor man's Reggie Bush. His speed and moves are in the same class, but he has a very strange build for the position.
redman
Footballguy
And BTW, in this brave new world of RBBC, I'm not in the business of sneezing at a goalline RB if he's scoring 6-10 TD's in that role. That has some big time bye week/injury start value.Man in the yellow hat said:OK. Explain this to me like I'm a one year old. What's to scratch your head about? If they like the stable of backs, why spend an early pick? Everyone's assuming Petrino just had to have a big back. Maybe that's not entirely true? Maybe the running scheme won't change as much as we're all expecting?Sigmund Bloom said:The point is just that it's wide open enough that seemingly unlikely outcomes are not as remote as we think. It really was a headscratcher when Petrino did not take an RB with one of their many early 2nd day picks.Isn't Snelling most likely will just be the GL back for Petrino? I dont think that guy has what it takes to be an everydown back (slow). How about the UDFA Vincent? any chance he emerge this year? or too soon for that?I'm not quite 'calling a shot' here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point, if Ovie Mughelli Jason Snelling winds up playing a bigger role in things before all is said and done, that's how much gray area surrounds this whole business right now...
nittany, some great analysis there. I added my one edit to your thoughts.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Things are looking better and better for us Norwood owners
"The Falcons plan on passing to their tailbacks more often.
It will suit the skills of Warrick Dunn and Jerious Norwood, who both have the flexibility to line up wide if necessary. The old coaching staff barely threw to running backs."
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-bl...d=blogs_falcons
"The Falcons plan on passing to their tailbacks more often.
It will suit the skills of Warrick Dunn and Jerious Norwood, who both have the flexibility to line up wide if necessary. The old coaching staff barely threw to running backs."
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-bl...d=blogs_falcons
