**Jets at Giants** (+3, 35.5) 1:00 (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

I thought he missed it.

Same here, I might have even blurted out, HE MISSED
I was kinda surprised when it was confirmed good

What a win for the Jets-Saleh and for Zach Wilson to be able to help them at the very end of the game
If the Jet shad just beaten the Patriots they would be 5-2 right now

 

[TLEF316]

Theft

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Theft

It was funny though. Think about how many times your team has been on the losing end of this kind of game. Never apologize for stealing one.

 

[rockaction]

A win is a win, but this QB won't take them to relevance at the end of the year no matter how winnable the next games are supposed to be. Oh my, only one of those is "winnable" in the sense that the Jets have the better team.

 

[Chemical X]

this was every jet game 2022. you just knew wilson wasn’t hanging points on the board. and then for i am daboll, king of the idiots.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

24 Punts recorded in this game
-And yet the last minute or two of this football game was fun to watch after the Phins game had finished

 

[VikingFrog]

Younger saquon would have housed that

Yeah. I watched that play on redzone and thought the same thing.

 

[BobbyLayne]

New rule here?

Jets spot the ball, ref runs and taps it without picking it up, spike with 1 second left

 

[BobbyLayne]

• Both teams combined for 24 punts, the most in an NFL game in 25 years
• The 16 combined three-and-outs are the most in a game since at least 2000
• 4-for-34 on third down -- the worst by two teams in any game since 2009
  

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Have to go back to leather helmets to find the combined record though. All of these games took place when the T formation and the role of a quarterback who passed were a novelty.

Most Punts, Both Teams, Game
31	Chicago Bears (17) vs Green Bay (14) 10/22/33
	Cincinnati (17) vs Pittsburgh (14) 10/22/33
29	Chicago Cardinals (15) vs Cincinnati (14) 11/12/33
	Chicago Cardinals (16) vs Chicago Bears (13) 11/30/33
	Chicago Cardinals (16) vs Detroit (13) 9/15/40
28	Philadelphia (14) vs Washington (14) 11/5/39

 

[ShamrockPride]

New rule here?

Jets spot the ball, ref runs and taps it without picking it up, spike with 1 second left

I'm completely fine with this if it leads to less of having to take into account how long an old ### 50-some year old ref is going to take to run up and down the field.

 

[rockaction]

I was personally stunned by the vanilla nut tap.

Didn't know a referee could just run, touch the ball, and have it be set. Don't get me wrong -- I loved it, but it hardly seemed within the normal rules of the spot.

 

[BobbyLayne]

New rule here?

Jets spot the ball, ref runs and taps it without picking it up, spike with 1 second left

I'm completely fine with this if it leads to less of having to take into account how long an old ### 50-some year old ref is going to take to run up and down the field.

I was personally stunned by the vanilla nut tap.

Didn't know a referee could just run, touch the ball, and have it be set. Don't get me wrong -- I loved it, but it hardly seemed within the normal rules of the spot.

Right

It would be a good rule change

I just think...ya know....we should officiate the games based on the rules as they are written....not....ya know.....what we think or what they ought to be

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No dog in the fight, if the earth swallowed up both franchises and their stadium it wouldn't affect me in any way. Nothing against Jersey but it's not my home state, nothing against Gang Green or Big Blue, I'm just a guy who stayed true to his roots. I think it's weird they've spent 50 years misrepresenting they're really not from Jersey but lots of insecure folks on vacation claim to be New Yorkers even though they live in Hoboken or Weehawken.

 

[rockaction]

I think it's weird they've spent 50 years misrepresenting they're really not from Jersey but lots of insecure folks on vacation claim to be New Yorkers even though they live in Hoboken

Calling the Meadowlands New York is fine by me. It's clearly a journey out of the city into an industrial suburban complex, but Hoboken is a lot further South in Jersey, no? Like, if you say you're from New York and you're from Hoboken, that's worse than saying you and your fanbase are located in New York but play in Jersey.

Besides, it's all about land and its expense. I don't begrudge anybody not wanting to deal with both zoning and money to build a stadium in New York. Can you imagine the eminent domain and the displacement? Oh wait, one can. Because it happened in Brooklyn for the Barclay Center or whatever they call it now.

In addition, Hoboken is pretty chi-chi now (or at least was back in about 2000 or so), and it's a point of pride to be from Hoboken.

 

[rockaction]

But yeah, that was bad officiating at the end of the game.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think it's weird they've spent 50 years misrepresenting they're really not from Jersey but lots of insecure folks on vacation claim to be New Yorkers even though they live in Hoboken

Calling the Meadowlands New York is fine by me. It's clearly a journey out of the city into an industrial suburban complex, but Hoboken is a lot further South in Jersey, no? Like, if you say you're from New York and you're from Hoboken, that's worse than saying you and your fanbase are located in New York but play in Jersey.

Besides, it's all about land and its expense. I don't begrudge anybody not wanting to deal with both zoning and money to build a stadium in New York. Can you imagine the eminent domain and the displacement? Oh wait, one can. Because it happened in Brooklyn for the Barclay Center or whatever they call it now.

In addition, Hoboken is pretty chi-chi now (or at least was back in about 2000 or so), and it's a point of pride to be from Hoboken.

are you familiar with state lines? this isn't an abstract concept.

 

[rockaction]

are you familiar with state lines? this isn't an abstract concept.

Sure. But you can argue they're grandfathered in from both being former New York teams who still had their fan base in the city (and they did) before the need arose to get new digs, digs prevented from being within said city due to both expense and zoning. Do you serve the public or do you serve cartography?

Or have you ever heard of Robert Moses and the difficulties regarding getting land in New York City that went against his wishes? And have you heard of Moses and his vision for building a different New York vis a vis sports stadiums than existed prior to his city planning? The plan to make Shea the ultra state of the art experience while losing the Brooklyn Dodgers to Los Angeles because they wouldn't give license to build a ballpark in Brooklyn or direct public transportation that way?

Regardless, I give both teams a pass. They're New York, through and through.

But I'm familiar with state lines. And they bleed, really, especially when the planner wants to build access and egress from said city within the state in question.

Robert Moses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I think it's weird they've spent 50 years misrepresenting they're really not from Jersey but lots of insecure folks on vacation claim to be New Yorkers even though they live in Hoboken

Calling the Meadowlands New York is fine by me. It's clearly a journey out of the city into an industrial suburban complex, but Hoboken is a lot further South in Jersey, no? Like, if you say you're from New York and you're from Hoboken, that's worse than saying you and your fanbase are located in New York but play in Jersey.

Besides, it's all about land and its expense. I don't begrudge anybody not wanting to deal with both zoning and money to build a stadium in New York. Can you imagine the eminent domain and the displacement? Oh wait, one can. Because it happened in Brooklyn for the Barclay Center or whatever they call it now.

In addition, Hoboken is pretty chi-chi now (or at least was back in about 2000 or so), and it's a point of pride to be from Hoboken.

Actually Hoboken is parallel with lower Manhattan. The Holland Tunnel goes into Weehawken and Hoboken is right next to it. And the PATH train connects Hoboken with Manhattan.

 

[rockaction]

Actually Hoboken is parallel with lower Manhattan.

Ah, okay. Makes sense. Across the Hudson from the Lower East Side, huh?

Regardless, I have no problem with the Giants and Jets calling themselves from New York. It's close and there are good reasons.

 

[BobbyLayne]

are you familiar with state lines? this isn't an abstract concept.

Sure. But you can argue they're grandfathered in from both being former New York teams who still had their fan base in the city (and they did) before the need arose to get new digs, digs prevented from being within said city due to both expense and zoning. Do you serve the public or do you serve cartography?

Or have you ever heard of Robert Moses and the difficulties regarding getting land in New York City that went against his wishes? And have you heard of Moses and his vision for building a different New York vis a vis sports stadiums than existed prior to his city planning? The plan to make Shea the ultra state of the art experience while losing the Brooklyn Dodgers to Los Angeles because they wouldn't give license to build a ballpark in Brooklyn or direct public transportation that way?

Regardless, I give both teams a pass. They're New York, through and through.

But I'm familiar with state lines. And they bleed, really, especially when the planner wants to build access and egress from said city within the state in question.

Robert Moses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

OK, I'll chalk this up to you putting me in some random category box years ago and never getting to know anything about me. No offense taken, Rock.

I read The Death and Life of Great American Cities and The Power Broker probably 45 Years Ago? The former first, in high school, the latter a few years later. Actually, 22 years ago I met Jane Jacobs in person, she was in her 80s but still razor sharp. So yes.....I know who R.M. is, and my knowledgeable opinions on him were formed decades before I came to FBGs. I could write at length about both what he accomplished and how he exercised unfettered control for the better part of four decades.

Spoiler: tedious diatribe

I actually know quite a bit my NYC history, from pre-Colonial forward to modern development.

I moved here from Michigan , but my ancestor sold hks dry goods business to purchase accounternments for his Revolutionary War regiment. I have been on walking tours of upwards of 40-50 neighborhoods, I love learning about my city - it's a wellspring of knowledge that keeps bubbling up and I never tire of drinking from it.

Owing to my industry, and specifically the telecom company which recruited me to come in 1999, I have a deep knowledge of how 7 family owned NYC development firms expanded much of postwar-NYC. We gave those same companies warrants in our startup in order to gain access to the real estate portfolios to build out the last mile bottleneck for broadband. Very capital intentsive. You don't go into meetings with those kind of folks, or raise $45M from investment banks, without having an understanding of NYC development.

I have an appreciation that before I "discovered" NYC there were people who shaped what this city became. I also have great respect for the fact that long before I moved in, there was something here, there was a way of doing things. Each neighborhood is a world unto itself, and change is the one constant. When you pull back the lens you see what forces shaped these things, and it behooved me to learn that both professionally and for my personal enrichment. When you expand the timeline you gain better insight into how it all came to be. I am unabashedly in love with my city to this day, the ensuing years have deepend that affection.

Anyway, I have pretty firm grasp on how things came to be the way they are. I'm not 2500 miles away. I don't just live here, i played a miniscule part in the perpetuating it's never ending evolution.

 

[rockaction]

OK, I'll chalk this up to you putting me in some random category box years ago and never getting to know anything about me. No offense taken, Rock.

Actually, BL, I figured you knew who Moses was. No lie. I was certain of it. Let's say my putting it there was that I Just figured that a complicated story needed a reminder that there is a little more to it than no "abstract concept(s)" about state lines, which seems pretty rigid to me. As you note, there are forces that shape things. New York's dynamism helped in part to leave the football teams susceptible to poaching. And thus it was.

But no, you were in no box years ago. People are always repositories of things we don't imagine to be true at various times.

 

[BobbyLayne]

OK, I'll chalk this up to you putting me in some random category box years ago and never getting to know anything about me. No offense taken, Rock.

Actually, BL, I figured you knew who Moses was. No lie. I was certain of it. Let's say my putting it there was that I Just figured that a complicated story needed a reminder that there is a little more to it than no "abstract concept(s)" about state lines, which seems pretty rigid to me. As you note, there are forces that shape things. New York's dynamism helped in part to leave the football teams susceptible to poaching. And thus it was.

But no, you were in no box years ago. People are always repositories of things we don't imagine to be true at various times.

Any reference I make about the New Jersey Jets / New Jersey Giants are just absurdist humor. Of course it's complicated, most things around here are.

But state lines are not complicated. Where else does this sort of true absurdity exist?

Let's put the stadium in next sovereign kingdom, but retain the more glamorous state name for the title of our endeavor.

No, no, I'm not a bridge and tunnel type, why I'm practically a New Yorker! is actually pretty apt, no?

 

[TLEF316]

As a Jets fan, I was SHOCKED they were able to get the spike off at the end of regulation. Two weeks ago they blew a FG chance before half time and I think they had 11 or even 12 seconds. So to get it off in 9 was very surprising.

Obviously the ref just tapping the ball rather than picking it up and resetting it played a huge part in that. He also got away much cleaner than what normally happens.

Gotta admit....if we were on the other side of it, I'd see it as the Jets getting screwed by the refs again.

 

[Conroy]

But yeah, that was bad officiating at the end of the game.

they talked about this 2 years ago

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he has to touch the ball

the umpire, an official, has to touch the football after it's set down to start the next play... where he's spotting it is really irrelevant, it's a matter of him touching it, getting out of the way

 

[FarFromHome]

• Both teams combined for 24 punts, the most in an NFL game in 25 years
• The 16 combined three-and-outs are the most in a game since at least 2000
• 4-for-34 on third down -- the worst by two teams in any game since 2009
  

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Have to go back to leather helmets to find the combined record though. All of these games took place when the T formation and the role of a quarterback who passed were a novelty.

Most Punts, Both Teams, Game
31	Chicago Bears (17) vs Green Bay (14) 10/22/33
	Cincinnati (17) vs Pittsburgh (14) 10/22/33
29	Chicago Cardinals (15) vs Cincinnati (14) 11/12/33
	Chicago Cardinals (16) vs Chicago Bears (13) 11/30/33
	Chicago Cardinals (16) vs Detroit (13) 9/15/40
28	Philadelphia (14) vs Washington (14) 11/5/39

Just saw this stat. Absolutely amazing.