Jets caught videotaping signals in Foxboro (1 Viewer)

[scapegoat]

Does that not strike you as odd?

No. As mentioned earlier, it is clearly more acceptable to bash on the Patriots. It doesn't make what the Jets did right, it just makes it less relevant in terms of entertainment value.I am sorry your team is so good that people want to nitpick every thing that they do. I feel just awful for you.

At least you're willing to admit that the vitrol had little to do "the integrity of the league" and with the relatively minor infraction of taping signals.. and had EVERYTHING to do with attempting to knock the Pats down a notch. Thank you for your honesty. That said... do you think the Jets should be penalized for the violation of the rules?

 

[DrJ]

Please god, make it stop. WTF will it take to make Pat's fans happy? Seriously.

Are you not upset that a team was found to be cheating?! As one of the most vocal attackers of the Patriots cheating.... you clearly wanted to protect the integrity of the league, right? HEre is another clear violation of league rules.... and not just any rule..it's the SAME violation. Clearly this is worth of ONE thread.

Umm....they have been reportedly possibly cheating. They have not been found to be cheating. You keep posting it as if they were just stone cold busted by the league.It is not "clear" at this point (something you just don't get and appear to be letting your bias get in the way here).

They were caught.. the camera man was asked to cease and was ejected from the stadium. The only difference here is, as was so eloquently stated by Road Warriors just a few posts above this, is that the Pats didn't go to the league office and raise a stink. Those who were TRULY motivated by a breach in the league's integrity would CLEARLY be as upset over this as they would be over the Pats breach. Those who were solely using the violation as a means to attempt to knock a successful team down a peg (and therefore motivated not by league integrity, but by hate for the success of the Pats)... would obviously seek to brush this under the rug seeings as the hapless Jets haven't shown much successs since Namath left. THAT is the issue at hand. If this is TRULY about fair and balanced enforcement of league rules then that's what it is. Let's treat it that way.

Perhaps the Patriots didn't run to the league office because they knew it would shed light on their own shady tactics. Bellicheat is a smarter cheater than his disciples, apparantly. ETA: Then again, they were stripped of a #1. So, maybe not.

 

[scapegoat]

Because the megalomaniac who coaches the Patriots thought they were trying to cheat like him and therefore wanted the guy ejected and security wasn't about to argue with him?

You're better than this.

 

[scapegoat]

Perhaps the Patriots didn't run to the league office because they knew it would shed light on their own shady tactics. Bellicheat is a smarter cheater than his disciples, apparantly. ETA: Then again, they were stripped of a #1. So, maybe not.

You're beating a dead horse and diverting from the story at hand. The pats cheated... they were caught.. they were punished. Let's move on to the current story.. the topic of this thread.

 

[mad sweeney]

So everyone that has ever coached for the Pats is probably a cheater. The legacy of Bellicheat.

Not only that, but if the poster thinks that the Jets were cheating last year, then that's proof positive that the Patriots were cheating last year. Afterall, there were several instance of the Pats having a cameraman busted last season. So if the Jets were indeed cheating as many are content to say, then the Pats were defnitely cheating last year and any other year there were allegations against them. Thus proving the Pats deserve to be given an asterisk for their past seasons of success.

 

[DrJ]

Perhaps the Patriots didn't run to the league office because they knew it would shed light on their own shady tactics. Bellicheat is a smarter cheater than his disciples, apparantly. ETA: Then again, they were stripped of a #1. So, maybe not.

You're beating a dead horse and diverting from the story at hand. The pats cheated... they were caught.. they were punished. Let's move on to the current story.. the topic of this thread.

I didn't realize that there was a single storyline here. To me, the most amusing thing is that the apples haven't falled too far from the Bellicheat coaching tree.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

***Cheaters***

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

"All filming at last year's Patriots game was done with pre-approval from the Patriots and in accordance with NFL rules," Bruce Speight, the Jets' senior director of media relations, told Newsday.

Nothing to see here, except for this:

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LINK >The guy was NOT given permission by the patriots to videotape team signals... he was caught doing so and was ejected.....let's use our heads here. This is not a tough concept to grasp.

Yes, let's use our heads here;The Jets say they did nothing against the rules

The NFL is not not making any claim that the Jets did or may have violated the rules.

The Patriots organization is not making any claim that the Jets did or may have violated the rules.

Other that being a Patriots fan, what criteria are you using to conclude that they did?

 

[sho nuff]

They were caught.. the camera man was asked to cease and was ejected from the stadium.

Reportedly by the Pats...who did not take the camera and have no clue what was really on that.

The only difference here is, as was so eloquently stated by Road Warriors just a few posts above this, is that the Pats didn't go to the league office and raise a stink.

The difference is we have a report of what they may have done...vs. a ruling on what the Pats actually did.

Those who were TRULY motivated by a breach in the league's integrity would CLEARLY be as upset over this as they would be over the Pats breach.

If the Jets were have found to have actually done this...yes, they should be punished.That this comes out now...right before they play...and not after the spygate thing is not the least bit puzzling to you?The league apparently has not seen this or found anything to show what happened.

Those who were solely using the violation as a means to attempt to knock a successful team down a peg (and therefore motivated not by league integrity, but by hate for the success of the Pats)... would obviously seek to brush this under the rug seeings as the hapless Jets haven't shown much successs since Namath left.

At the time, the Pats were 1-0. So people hate that the Pats got knocked out of the playoffs last year but had won one game?Not at all. That is a terrible argument.

THAT is the issue at hand. If this is TRULY about fair and balanced enforcement of league rules then that's what it is. Let's treat it that way.

Ok...if the NFL finds they did cheat...we will treat it that way. Until then, the fact remains all you have is a report that this guy was kicked out...no tape, no NFL action...nothing more. Which is how it is being treated by posters here.

 

[moondawg]

Mangini and Belicheck should be banned from the NFL. They are the problem.

Okay.. so now we've added to the list... NE as well as NYJ are cheaters.If your favorite team was caught with cameras, would you attack them with the same vitrol as you have NE and NYJ? Serious question.

The common denominator is Mangini was on Belicheck staff. I would expect he uses many of the same procedures. This story looks like maybe Mangini turned the Patriots in as payback for his guy getting booted for taping last year. Maybe Mangini thought I know the Patriots will tape my team so I will tape the Patriots.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I liked the way the Packers handled this last year when they caught the Pats dead to rights cheating with their little cameras. They stopped it, didn't whine about it, and asked that the Pats merely kick their ### regular and fairly, instead of severely and unfairly.

 

[DrJ]

At the time, the Pats were 1-0. So people hate that the Pats got knocked out of the playoffs last year but had won one game?Not at all. That is a terrible argument.

It had nothing to do with last season and 1 game this year. It had to do with them winning 3 superbowls by a combined 9 points, and people having no idea how long they had been cheating for. It's very possible that all 3 of their titles are directly attributable to cheating, and that's what the outrage was for.

 

[HoTnickZ]

No comment either way, but your tone is pretty annoying.

 

[scapegoat]

Mangini and Belicheck should be banned from the NFL. They are the problem.

Okay.. so now we've added to the list... NE as well as NYJ are cheaters.If your favorite team was caught with cameras, would you attack them with the same vitrol as you have NE and NYJ? Serious question.

The common denominator is Mangini was on Belicheck staff. I would expect he uses many of the same procedures. This story looks like maybe Mangini turned the Patriots in as payback for his guy getting booted for taping last year. Maybe Mangini thought I know the Patriots will tape my team so I will tape the Patriots.

Okay. But the uproar was to protect the integrity of the league, right?During the scandal this quote was used frequently:

"I know for a fact there were various teams doing this, that's why the memo was sent to everybody," former NFL coach Jimmy Johnson said on Fox's pregame show in early September. "That doesn't make right, but a lot of teams are doing this."

It was brushed aside as purely a defensive tactic and wasn't held with any degree of validity. NOW this story surfaces and it's clear that AT LEAST one other team was engaging in this practice.... likely many more. If there were a "lot of teams" doing this then exactly how much of a competitive advantage were the Patriots getting out of this... particularly if a "lot of other teams' were gaining the same advantage.

Clearly if this was rampant (we don't know if it was or not yet, but there are certainly indicators that this activity was commonplace) then any taint held against the Patriots victories is motivated primarily out of personal jealousy/dislike for the success of the Pats... and has little or nothing to do with the straw man of "league integrity"

 

[Wrigley]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but the Pats got caught(and were warned to stop by the NFL).........and did it again, and again got caught.

And isn't it a little strange that this took over a year to come out?

This is nothing more spin.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So everyone that has ever coached for the Pats is probably a cheater. The legacy of Bellicheat.

Not only that, but if the poster thinks that the Jets were cheating last year, then that's proof positive that the Patriots were cheating last year. Afterall, there were several instance of the Pats having a cameraman busted last season. So if the Jets were indeed cheating as many are content to say, then the Pats were defnitely cheating last year and any other year there were allegations against them. Thus proving the Pats deserve to be given an asterisk for their past seasons of success.

:(

 

[DrJ]

Mangini and Belicheck should be banned from the NFL. They are the problem.

Okay.. so now we've added to the list... NE as well as NYJ are cheaters.If your favorite team was caught with cameras, would you attack them with the same vitrol as you have NE and NYJ? Serious question.

The common denominator is Mangini was on Belicheck staff. I would expect he uses many of the same procedures. This story looks like maybe Mangini turned the Patriots in as payback for his guy getting booted for taping last year. Maybe Mangini thought I know the Patriots will tape my team so I will tape the Patriots.

Okay. But the uproar was to protect the integrity of the league, right?During the scandal this quote was used frequently:

"I know for a fact there were various teams doing this, that's why the memo was sent to everybody," former NFL coach Jimmy Johnson said on Fox's pregame show in early September. "That doesn't make right, but a lot of teams are doing this."

It was brushed aside as purely a defensive tactic and wasn't held with any degree of validity. NOW this story surfaces and it's clear that AT LEAST one other team was engaging in this practice.... likely many more. If there were a "lot of teams" doing this then exactly how much of a competitive advantage were the Patriots getting out of this... particularly if a "lot of other teams' were gaining the same advantage.

Clearly if this was rampant (we don't know if it was or not yet, but there are certainly indicators that this activity was commonplace) then any taint held against the Patriots victories is motivated primarily out of personal jealousy/dislike for the success of the Pats... and has little or nothing to do with the straw man of "league integrity"

So you're essentially trying to justify the Pats cheating by taking an instance where someone trained under Bellicheat was potentially found to be cheating and suggesting it means that the ENTIRE LEAGUE was cheating. I get it.

 

[Sammy B]

The Jets employee at the stadium was removed but the camera was not confiscated, according to the report. The employee's filming took place on the mezzanine level of the stadium.

"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

So the mezzanine level of a stadium is considered a Club Staff accessible area? I thought it was a public area. Sounds like the Jet's employee was filming within the guidelines of the above quote. Wasn't the NE employee caught on the Jet's sideline (a Club Staff accessible area)? This would violate the above quote, no?

 

[mad sweeney]

The Jets employee at the stadium was removed but the camera was not confiscated, according to the report. The employee's filming took place on the mezzanine level of the stadium.

"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

So the mezzanine level of a stadium is considered a Club Staff accessible area? I thought it was a public area. Sounds like the Jet's employee was filming within the guidelines of the above quote. Wasn't the NE employee caught on the Jet's sideline (a Club Staff accessible area)? This would violate the above quote, no?

I dunno about the mezzanine, but the Pats guy was NOT caught on the Jets sideline. The big picture everyone saw passed around on the internet wasn't the offending cameraman and is a very common misconception about the case. The Pats guy was on the Pats sideline.

 

[Sammy B]

The Jets employee at the stadium was removed but the camera was not confiscated, according to the report. The employee's filming took place on the mezzanine level of the stadium.

"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

So the mezzanine level of a stadium is considered a Club Staff accessible area? I thought it was a public area. Sounds like the Jet's employee was filming within the guidelines of the above quote. Wasn't the NE employee caught on the Jet's sideline (a Club Staff accessible area)? This would violate the above quote, no?

I dunno about the mezzanine, but the Pats guy was NOT caught on the Jets sideline. The big picture everyone saw passed around on the internet wasn't the offending cameraman and is a very common misconception about the case. The Pats guy was on the Pats sideline.

A Club Staff accessible area, no? Regardless of what sideline, the NE employee was filming in a prohibited area. Am I looking at this correctly?

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Please god, make it stop. WTF will it take to make Pat's fans happy? Seriously.

Probably for the jealous pats haters to shut up.

 

[lord_helmet]

I wonder where Mangini picked up these dirty tricks ? But seriously cheating is very smart, getting busted - not so much.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but the Pats got caught(and were warned to stop by the NFL).........and did it again, and again got caught.

And isn't it a little strange that this took over a year to come out?

This is nothing more spin.

way to make stuff up. Typical jealous pats hater.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Please god, make it stop. WTF will it take to make Pat's fans happy? Seriously.

Are you not upset that a team was found to be cheating?! As one of the most vocal attackers of the Patriots cheating.... you clearly wanted to protect the integrity of the league, right?

I think your confusing me with someone else. The only thing I'm vocal about when it comes to the Pats is the 57,000 threads about them, either for or against. If the Jets cheated, bust them. Do I care? No. Is this really about the Jets? No. Is it just another Pat's fan whining about them getting caught cheating? Yes. Can't we just let it go? Apparently not.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Please god, make it stop. WTF will it take to make Pat's fans happy? Seriously.

Probably for the jealous pats haters to shut up.

And that's accomplished by starting yet another thread about the Pat's cheating?? By a Pat's supporter???? Wow, you'll need to explain THAT logic to me.

 

[Modog814]

They were caught.. the camera man was asked to cease and was ejected from the stadium.

Reportedly by the Pats...who did not take the camera and have no clue what was really on that.

The only difference here is, as was so eloquently stated by Road Warriors just a few posts above this, is that the Pats didn't go to the league office and raise a stink.

The difference is we have a report of what they may have done...vs. a ruling on what the Pats actually did.

Those who were TRULY motivated by a breach in the league's integrity would CLEARLY be as upset over this as they would be over the Pats breach.

If the Jets were have found to have actually done this...yes, they should be punished.That this comes out now...right before they play...and not after the spygate thing is not the least bit puzzling to you?The league apparently has not seen this or found anything to show what happened.

Those who were solely using the violation as a means to attempt to knock a successful team down a peg (and therefore motivated not by league integrity, but by hate for the success of the Pats)... would obviously seek to brush this under the rug seeings as the hapless Jets haven't shown much successs since Namath left.

At the time, the Pats were 1-0. So people hate that the Pats got knocked out of the playoffs last year but had won one game?Not at all. That is a terrible argument.

THAT is the issue at hand. If this is TRULY about fair and balanced enforcement of league rules then that's what it is. Let's treat it that way.

Ok...if the NFL finds they did cheat...we will treat it that way. Until then, the fact remains all you have is a report that this guy was kicked out...no tape, no NFL action...nothing more. Which is how it is being treated by posters here.

Very Agree 100%. What you have is a story suggesting that maybe possibly the Jets did the same thing. A guy was caught taping something that looked suspicious and ejected for it. But from the Mezzanaine level I don't see how you can be certain that he's taping the opposing coaches giving signals and not something else without actually seeing the tape itself. Perhaps he was taping something else, the game, the crowd across the way, a spunky cheerleader whose top was too tight and was doing a lot of jumping. What you're missing is the absolute proof that we had with the Patriots. Here you have a report and a opinion that the Jets are guilty. That said, if they do find proof that the Jets cheated, then they should be punished equally.

 

[Wrigley]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but the Pats got caught(and were warned to stop by the NFL).........and did it again, and again got caught.

And isn't it a little strange that this took over a year to come out?

This is nothing more spin.

way to make stuff up. Typical jealous pats hater. :(

What is made up about this?

 

[KoolKat]

Mangini and Belicheck should be banned from the NFL. They are the problem.

Okay.. so now we've added to the list... NE as well as NYJ are cheaters.If your favorite team was caught with cameras, would you attack them with the same vitrol as you have NE and NYJ? Serious question.

Without hesitation.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Please god, make it stop. WTF will it take to make Pat's fans happy? Seriously.

Probably for the jealous pats haters to shut up.

And that's accomplished by starting yet another thread about the Pat's cheating?? By a Pat's supporter???? Wow, you'll need to explain THAT logic to me. :(

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Please god, make it stop. WTF will it take to make Pat's fans happy? Seriously.

Probably for the jealous pats haters to shut up.

And that's accomplished by starting yet another thread about the Pat's cheating?? By a Pat's supporter???? Wow, you'll need to explain THAT logic to me.

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

Listen, I'm not the biggest JB fan in the joint...at all. But, the reason he made that thread was to cut down from the 20 new topics/day that were made on the same subject. JB's opinion has nothing in common with that thread.

 

[mad sweeney]

The Jets employee at the stadium was removed but the camera was not confiscated, according to the report. The employee's filming took place on the mezzanine level of the stadium.

"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

So the mezzanine level of a stadium is considered a Club Staff accessible area? I thought it was a public area. Sounds like the Jet's employee was filming within the guidelines of the above quote. Wasn't the NE employee caught on the Jet's sideline (a Club Staff accessible area)? This would violate the above quote, no?

I dunno about the mezzanine, but the Pats guy was NOT caught on the Jets sideline. The big picture everyone saw passed around on the internet wasn't the offending cameraman and is a very common misconception about the case. The Pats guy was on the Pats sideline.

A Club Staff accessible area, no? Regardless of what sideline, the NE employee was filming in a prohibited area. Am I looking at this correctly?

He was on the Pats sideline, where it is illegal to have a camera. I was just correcting the common fallacy that he was on the Jets sideline that's due to a picture that went around showing a cameraman filming the Jets coaches from about 10 feet away. That's not the guy.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

 

[Crazy8s]

Let it go buddy.

So New England gets caught and the Shark Pool explodes. The Jets get caught and it should be brushed under the rug? I'm just curious why that's the case? Clearly a team cheating is "a threat to the integrity of the league" and such violations should be dealt with in a "serious manner". Are you not worried about the integrity of the league? Is it not reasonable to expect a balanced enforcement of the leagues rules? Clearly everyone here is still concerned about teams who cheat via video-tape... right?

Here an anology:Hot girl in your company has a sex video online as well as the old hag in your company, who do you think will get more hits on the website? Both intriging, but one alot more then the other.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

No one finds this funny that the report comes out in week 15.....right before the Jets go to Foxboro???? If you cant see this as a ploy by Belichik to just mess with the minds of the JETS and cause them a little grief before the game you are clueless.

If this really was a pressing matter, why wouldn't the Pats organization bring it up when Goodell was taking their draft picks and hitting their wallets??

This is truly just a pointless thread, a pointless topic and it just cracks me up the lengths the Pats* will go to, just to get back at Mangini for sticking it up their rears.

Obviously from earlier in the year, we all heard how "MANY" teams were doing it, but only the Pats* did it AFTER a letter went out to the league from the commish. Stop whining, you are having a good season, the Jets arent....what else could you need to walk with your head high??? Instead the Pats* and their network (ESPN) need to turn the game this weeek into a circus. I'll bring my clown nose.

 

[Road Warriors]

Let it go buddy.

So New England gets caught and the Shark Pool explodes. The Jets get caught and it should be brushed under the rug?

I'm just curious why that's the case?

Clearly a team cheating is "a threat to the integrity of the league" and such violations should be dealt with in a "serious manner". Are you not worried about the integrity of the league? Is it not reasonable to expect a balanced enforcement of the leagues rules?

Clearly everyone here is still concerned about teams who cheat via video-tape... right?

Here an anology:Hot girl in your company has a sex video online as well as the old hag in your company, who do you think will get more hits on the website? Both intriging, but one alot more then the other.

and

LINK?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Pats players staying fired up by this crap? Even they must be getting tired of the melodrama Belichick manufactures. Trying to stay at a fever pitch and on the razors edge, even for games where it is not necessary may come back to haunt them. Unflinching focus is hard to maintain uninterrupted.

 

[mad sweeney]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

And again, there were at least 3 of these stories about the Pats from before this season. So if it's true that the Jets are cheaters, then it's also true that the Pats are cheaters for more than this season's first game. And if you want to label them as such, then you must label the Pats as such. And if the Pats are cheaters in multiple years, it casts doubt on all their success. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go ahead, but bringing this up as an indictment of the Jets and the integrity of the league does more to hurt NE's rep than anyone elses.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

If it such a major story...why are we just hearing about it now???? 14 weeks removed from when it would have actually had any merit, not just a diversion to throw numbnut fans into a tizzy?

 

[Road Warriors]

Pats players staying fired up by this crap? Even they must be getting tired of the melodrama Belichick manufactures. Trying to stay at a fever pitch and on the razors edge, even for games where it is not necessary may come back to haunt them. Unflinching focus is hard to maintain uninterrupted.

I haven't heard much ( anything at all ) from players on this one. This looks more like fodder for fans and message boards.

 

[Road Warriors]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

And again, there were at least 3 of these stories about the Pats from before this season. So if it's true that the Jets are cheaters, then it's also true that the Pats are cheaters for more than this season's first game. And if you want to label them as such, then you must label the Pats as such. And if the Pats are cheaters in multiple years, it casts doubt on all their success. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go ahead, but bringing this up as an indictment of the Jets and the integrity of the league does more to hurt NE's rep than anyone elses.

And ignoring it means the ingegrity of the league is probably OK, even after the Pats were called out and punished for the taping. So I guess all the moralists will be retracting their asterisk commentary soon.

 

[PatsFanCT]

No one finds this funny that the report comes out in week 15.....right before the Jets go to Foxboro???? If you cant see this as a ploy by Belichik to just mess with the minds of the JETS and cause them a little grief before the game you are clueless.If this really was a pressing matter, why wouldn't the Pats organization bring it up when Goodell was taking their draft picks and hitting their wallets??This is truly just a pointless thread, a pointless topic and it just cracks me up the lengths the Pats* will go to, just to get back at Mangini for sticking it up their rears.Obviously from earlier in the year, we all heard how "MANY" teams were doing it, but only the Pats* did it AFTER a letter went out to the league from the commish. Stop whining, you are having a good season, the Jets arent....what else could you need to walk with your head high??? Instead the Pats* and their network (ESPN) need to turn the game this weeek into a circus. I'll bring my clown nose.

I could care less weather the Jets* cheated or not, and wont get into that discussion at all. However, this is at least the third or fourth time I've heard the comments about the coincidence of this coming out just before the Pats play the Jets* and how Belichick must somehow be involved since he's a snake, et., etc. If Belichick was behind this, it would have come out the week Spygate did. He has nothing to gain from this now, but plenty back then when he could have cast some doubt on the Jets* as well. You can't assume Belichick leaked this and then not assume the Jets* didn't cheat. Either you base everything on facts or none of it.

 

[PMENFAN]

This thread is pretty funny. Liky Jimmy Johnson said, several teams, and in my opinion ALL, were doing this. If others choose to ignore the reality of this, so be it. I'm sure lots of teams got caught doing this, hence the memo, whether this year or last.

Of course there's no uproar over the Jets. Did anybody go back and discuss the 49ers SB's after Steve Youngs exchange with Bill Parcells, where Young acknowledged the 9ers would say the headsets weren't working to keep the other team from using them? In the grand scheme, it doesn't matter. NE was penalized and made an example. The league wanted this to stop.

As for where it can happen. You can't have video cameras in the stadium in general. This guy would have stuck out. The NE guy that got caught wasn't trying to hide. He was in plain sight on the sideline. If they felt they were getting one over, there are a multitude of ways to tape these signals.

Stealing playbooks? Taping practices? There are a multitude of ways to actually cheat and get an advantage. Taping signals and hoping teams don't change them every week isnt' one of them. So, why do it? Because it's so widespread it's just expected?

 

[thehornet]

Pats players staying fired up by this crap? Even they must be getting tired of the melodrama Belichick manufactures. Trying to stay at a fever pitch and on the razors edge, even for games where it is not necessary may come back to haunt them. Unflinching focus is hard to maintain uninterrupted.

I haven't heard much ( anything at all ) from players on this one. This looks more like fodder for fans and message boards.

Not at all. The story just broke.atshatersareindenial:

 

[mad sweeney]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

And again, there were at least 3 of these stories about the Pats from before this season. So if it's true that the Jets are cheaters, then it's also true that the Pats are cheaters for more than this season's first game. And if you want to label them as such, then you must label the Pats as such. And if the Pats are cheaters in multiple years, it casts doubt on all their success. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go ahead, but bringing this up as an indictment of the Jets and the integrity of the league does more to hurt NE's rep than anyone elses.

And ignoring it means the ingegrity of the league is probably OK, even after the Pats were called out and punished for the taping. So I guess all the moralists will be retracting their asterisk commentary soon.

Ignoring what? There's no proof of any wrong doing.

 

[Road Warriors]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

And again, there were at least 3 of these stories about the Pats from before this season. So if it's true that the Jets are cheaters, then it's also true that the Pats are cheaters for more than this season's first game. And if you want to label them as such, then you must label the Pats as such. And if the Pats are cheaters in multiple years, it casts doubt on all their success. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go ahead, but bringing this up as an indictment of the Jets and the integrity of the league does more to hurt NE's rep than anyone elses.

And ignoring it means the ingegrity of the league is probably OK, even after the Pats were called out and punished for the taping. So I guess all the moralists will be retracting their asterisk commentary soon.

Ignoring what? There's no proof of any wrong doing.

Got it. probably never happened.

 

[mad sweeney]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

And again, there were at least 3 of these stories about the Pats from before this season. So if it's true that the Jets are cheaters, then it's also true that the Pats are cheaters for more than this season's first game. And if you want to label them as such, then you must label the Pats as such. And if the Pats are cheaters in multiple years, it casts doubt on all their success. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go ahead, but bringing this up as an indictment of the Jets and the integrity of the league does more to hurt NE's rep than anyone elses.

And ignoring it means the ingegrity of the league is probably OK, even after the Pats were called out and punished for the taping. So I guess all the moralists will be retracting their asterisk commentary soon.

Ignoring what? There's no proof of any wrong doing.

Got it. probably never happened.

Sorry, just waiting for all this proof that's being tossed around. I must've missed it.

 

[General Tso]

Pats players staying fired up by this crap? Even they must be getting tired of the melodrama Belichick manufactures. Trying to stay at a fever pitch and on the razors edge, even for games where it is not necessary may come back to haunt them. Unflinching focus is hard to maintain uninterrupted.

I haven't heard much ( anything at all ) from players on this one. This looks more like fodder for fans and message boards.

Not at all. The story just broke.atshatersareindenial:

This story IS news here in New Engalnd. Jets undeniably broke some rules. I don't think it is cheating or anything. How much more stronger did it make the Jets? Also - remember - the Pats haven't cheated since the Jets game and what is their record????????? TALK TO ME NOW!!!!

 

[Workhorse]

Its actually about the Jets cheating. There is a whole thread devoted to pats haters led by Joe Bryant. I have seen plenty of posts from people suggesting that players should try and injure Brady. Do'nt try and pretend that there are not a lot of jealous pats haters on this board.

No, it isn't. It's about justifying the fact that the Pat's did it. It's just a "Hey look, we aren't the only one" argument attempt. And anyone with even half a brain would have to know EXACTLY what the result of posting this thread would be. If anyone could seriously post a topic in that manner and not know it would result in just another pissing contest, I'd have to question their mental capacity.

This is a story. Its been reported on ESPN. If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead.

And again, there were at least 3 of these stories about the Pats from before this season. So if it's true that the Jets are cheaters, then it's also true that the Pats are cheaters for more than this season's first game. And if you want to label them as such, then you must label the Pats as such. And if the Pats are cheaters in multiple years, it casts doubt on all their success. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go ahead, but bringing this up as an indictment of the Jets and the integrity of the league does more to hurt NE's rep than anyone elses.

And ignoring it means the ingegrity of the league is probably OK, even after the Pats were called out and punished for the taping. So I guess all the moralists will be retracting their asterisk commentary soon.

Ignoring what? There's no proof of any wrong doing.

Got it. probably never happened.

Sorry, just waiting for all this proof that's being tossed around. I must've missed it.

Mangini admitted that the Jets were videotaping his own team against the Pats last year in his press conference just a bit ago. Said that it's common practice for teams to do this kind of thing from the end zone.First I've heard of that. I thought that the league memo said that videotaping of any kind was prohibited?

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Difference between the Jets and Pats:

Jets get caught and forced to stop: they completely implode.

Pats get caught and forced to stop: they go ape#### on every team in the league.