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[joepro]

I'm in a 16 team/12 round draft -- very highly stressed performance league (i.e. the longer the TD, the higher the points awards). I'm thinking of taking Leon based on his explosiveness.

Is he a 3rd down back only or will he get more touches this year?

Is Thomas Jones healthy and is he injury prone? If so, can Leon step in as a legitimate 1st teamer RB?

I appreciate any and all comments

Thanks...

 

[tommyk7]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

 

[joepro]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

I should have mentioned that I'm in the 9th round of my draft and he's still available at the 145th pick overall.

 

[moleculo]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

then you are viewing him wrong. This has RBBC written all over it. Washington will get carries and yards this season - maybe not a 50/50 split; I see more of a 60/40 split in favor of Jones.In therms of explosiveness and the ability to score from anywhere, Washington is the man here.

 

[whodeywhodey]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

I couldn't disagree more.Leon Washington is a baller. While he might never be an ideal #1 RB due to his size, he'll get plenty of chances in the offense even if TJ plays all 16 games.

IMO he is the ideal RB4 for any team. He can fill in and get you 10 points in a pinch or if Jones goes down he has the potential to do much more. Last year he was around the 36th ranked RB in most formats which makes him a borderline RB3. This year I think that he'll improve on those numbers as the Jets use him in passing and long yardage situations.

Last year he had almost 1000 total yards (about the same as Maroney for comparison) and 4 TDs. I think that he improves on those numbers a bit for about 1100 total yards and 6 TDs. To me that would be his floor. If TJ goes down he'll do much more. In the 2 regular season games last year where he had 20+ carries he ran for 100+ yards in both games with 2 TDs.

A GREAT late round value for where his is being drafted. Go get him.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Here's a good discussion I started a few weeks ago about Neon Leon.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7162587

 

[PantherPower]

while not a Jets homer, I have been nothing but impressed with his game. I think he could get significant carries and receptions this year. I think he's easily worth a 9th or 10th round pick...

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

receptions

This is pretty key.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Even seeing limited duty in a part-time role, Washington could reach 40-50 recs this year.

 

[Tau837]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

I should have mentioned that I'm in the 9th round of my draft and he's still available at the 145th pick overall.

I took Washington at 9.3 in a 16 team league: Link to Draft SummaryI thought he was outstanding value there as the 41st RB off the board. And my league does not give extra points for distance... in that kind of format, he is more valuable IMO... for example, see his 79 yard TD catch a couple preseason games ago.

 

[joepro]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

I should have mentioned that I'm in the 9th round of my draft and he's still available at the 145th pick overall.

I took Washington at 9.3 in a 16 team league: Link to Draft SummaryI thought he was outstanding value there as the 41st RB off the board. And my league does not give extra points for distance... in that kind of format, he is more valuable IMO... for example, see his 79 yard TD catch a couple preseason games ago.

Thanks JWB.... Just found a very good article......http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...on_as_runn.html

 

[wtu311]

I really feel he has the potential for a MJD type season. If he`s available 9th rd on or the WW get him

 

[packersfan]

I am a Washington owner so I am biased in his favor. That said I think he is a very nice RB4 in a PPR league since I believe the Jets will use him all over the field in passing situations. He's arguably their most explosive offensive player and big-play threat so it makes sense to get him involved - even with Jones around. I think his upside is 50 receptions, maybe a few more. At worst, I think he catches at least 40. I think he could be used similar to the way Chris Perry was used by the Bengals two seasons ago. I think he's more explosive than Perry, though. And for those who don't remember Perry caught 51 passes that season and was a huge part of the Bengals' passing attack and a decent RB3 option many weeks in PPR leagues.

 

[brednbuddah]

Even seeing limited duty in a part-time role, Washington could reach 40-50 recs this year.

Kendall was a HUGE loss. It'll be tough for any Jets position players to excel until they get that spot figured out. Jones' health (achillies/calf) doesn't help either.Pennington is going to get killed.

 

[moleculo]

Even seeing limited duty in a part-time role, Washington could reach 40-50 recs this year.

Kendall was a HUGE loss. It'll be tough for any Jets position players to excel until they get that spot figured out. Jones' health (achillies/calf) doesn't help either.Pennington is going to get killed.

I may be looking at the optimistic side of things, but I decided that this wouldn't hurt Leon's value here. With a deficient line, the QB will be looking for quick developing dump passes more. Running between the tackles will be tougher and passing to the WR's should be tougher, but passing to the RB's should not have much effect, IMO.Anybody agree?

 

[Chase Stuart]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

I couldn't disagree more.Leon Washington is a baller. While he might never be an ideal #1 RB due to his size, he'll get plenty of chances in the offense even if TJ plays all 16 games.

There's a serious misconception about Washington's size. He's an inch shorter and 10 lbs lighter than the leading rusher of all time. He's the same height and weight as Barry Sanders. He's an inch shorter and the same weight as Priest Holmes. Warrick Dunn? The same height, 25 lbs shorter. Charlie Garner? An inch taller, 15 lbs lighter. Dalton Hilliard was the number one fantasy player in 1989, at the same height and weight as Washington. Brian Westbrook is also the same height and weight. Washington is plenty big enough to be an every down back. He's a tough insider runner, too. For his frame, he's got a good amount of muscle. Is he good enough to be a stud RB? No one really knows, yet. But I don't think his size is going to stop him.

 

[prymetyme25]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

I couldn't disagree more.Leon Washington is a baller. While he might never be an ideal #1 RB due to his size, he'll get plenty of chances in the offense even if TJ plays all 16 games.

There's a serious misconception about Washington's size. He's an inch shorter and 10 lbs lighter than the leading rusher of all time. He's the same height and weight as Barry Sanders. He's an inch shorter and the same weight as Priest Holmes. Warrick Dunn? The same height, 25 lbs shorter. Charlie Garner? An inch taller, 15 lbs lighter. Dalton Hilliard was the number one fantasy player in 1989, at the same height and weight as Washington. Brian Westbrook is also the same height and weight. Washington is plenty big enough to be an every down back. He's a tough insider runner, too. For his frame, he's got a good amount of muscle. Is he good enough to be a stud RB? No one really knows, yet. But I don't think his size is going to stop him.

Thanks Chase. We can always count on you for the TRUTH stats.

 

[LBH]

Even seeing limited duty in a part-time role, Washington could reach 40-50 recs this year.

Kendall was a HUGE loss. It'll be tough for any Jets position players to excel until they get that spot figured out. Jones' health (achillies/calf) doesn't help either.Pennington is going to get killed.

Bender might get Pennington killed but hes probably a better run blocker than Kendall imo

 

[Chase Stuart]

Even seeing limited duty in a part-time role, Washington could reach 40-50 recs this year.

Kendall was a HUGE loss. It'll be tough for any Jets position players to excel until they get that spot figured out. Jones' health (achillies/calf) doesn't help either.Pennington is going to get killed.

Bender might get Pennington killed but hes probably a better run blocker than Kendall imo

I find that very hard to believe. What makes you think that?

 

[LBH]

Even seeing limited duty in a part-time role, Washington could reach 40-50 recs this year.

Kendall was a HUGE loss. It'll be tough for any Jets position players to excel until they get that spot figured out. Jones' health (achillies/calf) doesn't help either.Pennington is going to get killed.

Bender might get Pennington killed but hes probably a better run blocker than Kendall imo

I find that very hard to believe. What makes you think that?

Im basing it on watching Kendall last year, and reading the camp reports and newspapers on Benders progress(mostly on JN and TGG). Bender is also 24 lbs heavier at 316 compared to Kendalls 292. Ive always thought Kendall was a nice technician as a pass protector but not a mauling type guard Bender could turn out to be. Just one jet homers .02

 

[JTM]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

then you are viewing him wrong. This has RBBC written all over it. Washington will get carries and yards this season - maybe not a 50/50 split; I see more of a 60/40 split in favor of Jones.In therms of explosiveness and the ability to score from anywhere, Washington is the man here.

I like Washington's upside too, but to think the Jets paid Jones $20 million ($12 million guaranteed) to be little more than a compliment to Washington is almost absurd. Jones will get his +20 touches on the basic principle that his pay-check is 10X's that of Washington's...oh, and T. Jones happens to be a pretty decent back with a proven history. Settle down before we start annointing Washington the next big thing--if he was they'd be paying him and not Jones, so I'd be very surprised to see it get any more skewed than 70/30 in Jones favor. With that said, if Jones goes down then Washington has solid #2 written all over him...

 

[Torque666]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

then you are viewing him wrong. This has RBBC written all over it. Washington will get carries and yards this season - maybe not a 50/50 split; I see more of a 60/40 split in favor of Jones.In therms of explosiveness and the ability to score from anywhere, Washington is the man here.

I like Washington's upside too, but to think the Jets paid Jones $20 million ($12 million guaranteed) to be little more than a compliment to Washington is almost absurd. Jones will get his +20 touches on the basic principle that his pay-check is 10X's that of Washington's...oh, and T. Jones happens to be a pretty decent back with a proven history. Settle down before we start annointing Washington the next big thing--if he was they'd be paying him and not Jones, so I'd be very surprised to see it get any more skewed than 70/30 in Jones favor. With that said, if Jones goes down then Washington has solid #2 written all over him...

Why would they pay him more, being as this is only his second season in the nfl. Seems like he is under contract. To use that as an argument makes no sense to me. The guy can play and is way more explosive then Jones. Only time will tell.

 

[JTM]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

then you are viewing him wrong. This has RBBC written all over it. Washington will get carries and yards this season - maybe not a 50/50 split; I see more of a 60/40 split in favor of Jones.In therms of explosiveness and the ability to score from anywhere, Washington is the man here.

I like Washington's upside too, but to think the Jets paid Jones $20 million ($12 million guaranteed) to be little more than a compliment to Washington is almost absurd. Jones will get his +20 touches on the basic principle that his pay-check is 10X's that of Washington's...oh, and T. Jones happens to be a pretty decent back with a proven history. Settle down before we start annointing Washington the next big thing--if he was they'd be paying him and not Jones, so I'd be very surprised to see it get any more skewed than 70/30 in Jones favor. With that said, if Jones goes down then Washington has solid #2 written all over him...

Why would they pay him more, being as this is only his second season in the nfl. Seems like he is under contract. To use that as an argument makes no sense to me. The guy can play and is way more explosive then Jones. Only time will tell.

Nice...way to take it out of context. Maybe I should have been more clear...if Washington was the guy then he would have found himself in a similar position as Maroney and not the # 2. For some reason the Jets thought it necessary to pay T. Jones $20 million to be a Jet...and that's after Washington flashed his potential last season. Basically, according to some of the cats posting here, the Jets wasted $20 million because Leon is the man. All I'm saying is...the Jets are not quite the Texans...and I imagine they feel T. Jones is a sizeable upgrade to Washington...as exemplified by the amount of money they spent on Jones this off-season. An investment like that will get every opportunity to prove his worth because, at $20 million, the Jets are essentially pot-committed. Being that Jones is a proven commodity, my opinion is that Jones will take advantage of his opportunity and remain the featured back with Washington being a nice change of pace and 3rd-down back. Explosiveness is not always better than consistency--it's the Barber vs Jones argument...gimme Barber any day of the week...he's the one that'll wear down the DEF and continue to run strong in the 4th.

 

[Bears_Man2]

I like Washington (I've made sure to own him in both dynasty league I'm in) but to say he's way more explosive than TJ is absurd. He's been more explosive....in a lot more limited playing time.

I think Washington's undervalued, but they aren't paying TJ to stand in the shadows of Leon.

 

[[scooter]]

Excellent RB4 in a 16-team league.

I've never been impressed with Thomas Jones. At worst, this is RBBC; at best, Washington wins the job outright.

 

[moleculo]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

then you are viewing him wrong. This has RBBC written all over it. Washington will get carries and yards this season - maybe not a 50/50 split; I see more of a 60/40 split in favor of Jones.In therms of explosiveness and the ability to score from anywhere, Washington is the man here.

I like Washington's upside too, but to think the Jets paid Jones $20 million ($12 million guaranteed) to be little more than a compliment to Washington is almost absurd. Jones will get his +20 touches on the basic principle that his pay-check is 10X's that of Washington's...oh, and T. Jones happens to be a pretty decent back with a proven history. Settle down before we start annointing Washington the next big thing--if he was they'd be paying him and not Jones, so I'd be very surprised to see it get any more skewed than 70/30 in Jones favor. With that said, if Jones goes down then Washington has solid #2 written all over him...

when I call for 60/40 split, I'm talking in terms of touches, not carries.I believe they brought Jones in because the Jets aren't convinced Leon can be a 20 carry back. Counting college, he has had >15 carries exactly 4 times, including twice last year. Maybe Leon can be an every down back, but he certainly hasn't showed it yet. He wasn't in college, and he hasn't been in the NFL. I also think that he Jets were so sick of the backs they had last year, in Barlow and Houston (neither of which is in the NFL this year, btw), so they wanted to ensure that the runing game would be stable. They HAD to bring in a vet with some experience. It was the only sound move to make.

 

[Z-Dog]

Washington is a great pick for a total-points league, but will surely disappoint in a head-to-head format.

The problem is that Mangini features different players in different games. Washington definitely brings something to that offense, but he will not get consistent opportunities. Some days the gameplan will be built on getting him the ball, but in other games, it will be Brad Smith, or Stacey Tutt, or the TEs (Jets kept 4!) who get those opportunities. In the meantime, Thomas Jones will get 16-22 carries every week, and finish with 275-300 carries.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

It will be interesting to see how quickly TJ is brought back up to speed. I'd guess his first game back against NE there would be a pretty even split in reps between Washington and TJ.

 

[Traders2001]

I would only view Washington as a handcuff to Thomas Jones.

I couldn't disagree more.Leon Washington is a baller. While he might never be an ideal #1 RB due to his size, he'll get plenty of chances in the offense even if TJ plays all 16 games.

There's a serious misconception about Washington's size. He's an inch shorter and 10 lbs lighter than the leading rusher of all time. He's the same height and weight as Barry Sanders. He's an inch shorter and the same weight as Priest Holmes. Warrick Dunn? The same height, 25 lbs shorter. Charlie Garner? An inch taller, 15 lbs lighter. Dalton Hilliard was the number one fantasy player in 1989, at the same height and weight as Washington. Brian Westbrook is also the same height and weight. Washington is plenty big enough to be an every down back. He's a tough insider runner, too. For his frame, he's got a good amount of muscle. Is he good enough to be a stud RB? No one really knows, yet. But I don't think his size is going to stop him.

Yea right , very shortly you will see 5' 5" 150 pounds starting tailbacks .

 

[Bears_Man2]

I've never been impressed with Thomas Jones.

Where have you been the last 3 years? He was the centerpiece of that offense w/o a QB until last year. (And that was only for about 1/2 a season)He's still better than Cedric Benson. Still.

 

[chidoy]

IMHO, I wouldn't count on Leon for much than a RB5. I mean, the Jets brought TJ in for a reason right???

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Anyone desperate enough to roll with Leon this week?

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Anyone desperate enough to roll with Leon this week?

I may throw him in as my flex....but that is still questionable.....I do like his chances vs. NE though, I see my boys playing from behind and Mangini trying some trickery just to mess with Belichik.I prefer to go with a RB at the flex over WR, so this is my dilema

 

[kensat30]

Leon Washington = Brian Westbrook part II

The guy has talent just can't be ignored. I expect Leon to challenge Thomas Jones for the starting position by mid-year if not sooner. The coaches in New York can only keep this guy a backup for so long. A lot of people may view Thomas Jones as a roadblock to Washington getting playing time, but I think it is closer to a Dunn/Norwood situation than most people would believe.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Anyone desperate enough to roll with Leon this week?

I'm seriously contemplating starting him as my RB2 over BJax due to the ongoing rb debacle in GB.