Jets QB situation (1 Viewer)

[PatsFanCT]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Since when is a 7-4 career record as a starter, for a first round QB, considered a success. The pick was obviously a failure, so how can he be considered a success?

 

[moleculo]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Since when is a 7-4 career record as a starter, for a first round QB, considered a success. The pick was obviously a failure, so how can he be considered a success?

you've got to be fishing.

 

[PatsFanCT]

PatsfanCT = FavreCo. Notebook updated.

Not, but your crack deduction makes sense given your opinion of Tebow.

 

[PatsFanCT]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Since when is a 7-4 career record as a starter, for a first round QB, considered a success. The pick was obviously a failure, so how can he be considered a success?

you've got to be fishing.

I'm starting to think the same of you.

 

[Sinn Fein]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Exactly.

Broncos won in spite of Tebow, not because of him. Tebow was an unsuccessful QB - hence the decision to get get rid of him for a 36-yo QB coming off neck surgery and a missed year. The Broncos clearly saw the trade of Tebow as addition by subtraction. 12 TD + 6 Int + 7 fumbles + 6.4 yards/Attempt + 46% completion rate = unsuccessful NFL QB

Sorry

 

[Reepicheep]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Since when is a 7-4 career record as a starter, for a first round QB, considered a success. The pick was obviously a failure, so how can he be considered a success?

Ghost Rider didn't say Tebow had a successful career. Or that the pick was a successful one. His point was simply that Tebow has enjoyed success as an NFL quarterback, to wit, his 2011 season. It was not a transcendent season. Or a record-breaking one. But it was certainly successful. People refusing to acknowledge even this are showing themselves to be irrational, or perhaps are on a fishing trip. Either way I don't think it can be put any clearer.

 

[PatsFanCT]

According to two people who "know how (Jets owner Woody Johnson) runs his football operation," he will "push his football people to start (Tim) Tebow."

There's no hard evidence Johnson is fixing to meddle with the Jets lineup, but this is the same owner who pushed for Brett Favre in 2008. Johnson was guarded in his Monday vote of confidence in Mark Sanchez, and volunteered that questions about Tebow taking over will "be asked more frequently if this progresses because this is unacceptable playing." Already a slow train coming, Tebow supplanting Sanchez could become a formality if Sanchez's start against the Texans goes as poorly as it should on paper.

Definitely makes Tebow a must add IMO.

Man, how bad do your QBs suck that Tebow is a must add?

Potential top 15 or so QB is worth owning in most leagues.

Say wahat?!?!?

Was he not scoring around that pace on a per game average last year? I believe he was right around the top 15-17 mark for PPG.

I doubt that, and that was last year. Where is he going to get points from in NJ? He has nobody to throw to, even if he was able to throw. Every team knows him now, so he's not going to be fooling anyone. Name the 17 QB's in the league that you think Tebow will outscore? I love the guy personally, but there's no way he'll ever succeed in the NFL.

Tebow definately had value last year when he was starting due to all the rushing yards. I'm not sure where you guys were during last season that this comes as a shock. He's not likely to repeat it but if he starts I think he's worth a roster spot for the potential upside.

My league doesn't let me use last years stats for this years games. I'm still waiting to hear the 17 other starting QB's you would start Tebow over.

I'm not a tebow supporter but here are some that he could outproduce, either because of injuries or schedule.CLE QB

JAG QB

AZ QB

TEN QB

SEA QB

Matt cassel

Carson Palmer

Matt Schaub

Josh Freeman

Christian Ponder

Jay Cutler

Ryan Tannehill

Sam Bradford

Alex Smith

Andy Dalton-even though has been decent last few games

Mark Sanchez

This list is a complete joke.

 

[moleculo]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Exactly.

Broncos won in spite of Tebow, not because of him. Tebow was an unsuccessful QB - hence the decision to get get rid of him for a 36-yo QB coming off neck surgery and a missed year. The Broncos clearly saw the trade of Tebow as addition by subtraction. 12 TD + 6 Int + 7 fumbles + 6.4 yards/Attempt + 46% completion rate = unsuccessful NFL QB

Sorry

ahh... so you are a "passing stats tell the whole story" type of man. I see.

 

[Reepicheep]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Exactly.

Broncos won in spite of Tebow, not because of him. Tebow was an unsuccessful QB - hence the decision to get get rid of him for a 36-yo QB coming off neck surgery and a missed year. The Broncos clearly saw the trade of Tebow as addition by subtraction. 12 TD + 6 Int + 7 fumbles + 6.4 yards/Attempt + 46% completion rate = unsuccessful NFL QB

Sorry

If you want to say he was not a successful traditional pocket-passing NFL QB, fine. But if you're going to ignore his 600 yards rushing, 6 rushing TDs, and the obvious impact he had on the run game that allowed Old Man McGahee to have a renaissance year, then that's your problem. I would argue that the Broncos got rid of Tebow because they didn't see his success as sustainable, not because they didn't think he was successful at all. It is an important distinction to make. Nobody in here is arguing that Tebow is the future for any franchise, or that he was a good draft pick, or that he is a good pocket passer. But again, he was certainly successful in 2011, unless you think the aim or purpose of an NFL QB is to put up a stat line that looks nice in the box score, which judging by this post, I take to be the case for you. So I suppose this won't go anywhere.

 

[PatsFanCT]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Since when is a 7-4 career record as a starter, for a first round QB, considered a success. The pick was obviously a failure, so how can he be considered a success?

Ghost Rider didn't say Tebow had a successful career. Or that the pick was a successful one. His point was simply that Tebow has enjoyed success as an NFL quarterback, to wit, his 2011 season. It was not a transcendent season. Or a record-breaking one. But it was certainly successful. People refusing to acknowledge even this are showing themselves to be irrational, or perhaps are on a fishing trip. Either way I don't think it can be put any clearer.

I know what he's saying, and if Tebow was a 5th round draft pick, I'd agree. But he was a first round QB, and now he's a backup on a terrible team. If he never wins another game, will you consider his career a success? Or will you say his career sucked, he never should have been drafted that high, but he had a successful rookie season? If you believe the latter, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Ghost Rider didn't say Tebow had a successful career. Or that the pick was a successful one. His point was simply that Tebow has enjoyed success as an NFL quarterback, to wit, his 2011 season. It was not a transcendent season. Or a record-breaking one. But it was certainly successful. People refusing to acknowledge even this are showing themselves to be irrational, or perhaps are on a fishing trip. Either way I don't think it can be put any clearer.

Bingo. It is continually astonishing how pig-headed some people are when it comes to Tebow. I think so many went "all in" in saying how much Tebow would suck as an NFL player that they refuse to give him any credit for the Broncos turnaround last year. Did he deserve all of the credit? Of course not, but he deserved quite a bit.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Broncos won in spite of Tebow, not because of him. Tebow was an unsuccessful QB - hence the decision to get get rid of him for a 36-yo QB coming off neck surgery and a missed year. The Broncos clearly saw the trade of Tebow as addition by subtraction. 12 TD + 6 Int + 7 fumbles + 6.4 yards/Attempt + 46% completion rate = unsuccessful NFL QB Sorry

at your cherry-picking.

 

[SameSongNDance]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Exactly.

Broncos won in spite of Tebow, not because of him. Tebow was an unsuccessful QB - hence the decision to get get rid of him for a 36-yo QB coming off neck surgery and a missed year. The Broncos clearly saw the trade of Tebow as addition by subtraction. 12 TD + 6 Int + 7 fumbles + 6.4 yards/Attempt + 46% completion rate = unsuccessful NFL QB

Sorry

He manufactured game winning dives with his legs. QBs have legs too, some use them better than others.

 

[flooredyas]

Given Sanchez continues his adept ways tomorrow, seeing as the 2nd team unit of Tebow, Powell and assorted WR's remaining have had a good amount practicing together, sound like something that the near future holds?

 

[az_prof]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Since when is a 7-4 career record as a starter, for a first round QB, considered a success. The pick was obviously a failure, so how can he be considered a success?

Ghost Rider didn't say Tebow had a successful career. Or that the pick was a successful one. His point was simply that Tebow has enjoyed success as an NFL quarterback, to wit, his 2011 season. It was not a transcendent season. Or a record-breaking one. But it was certainly successful. People refusing to acknowledge even this are showing themselves to be irrational, or perhaps are on a fishing trip. Either way I don't think it can be put any clearer.

Very well put! I for one am not prepared to say that Tebow will be a successful franchise QB. But to say he has had no success is simply ignoring the facts on the field. Whether that past success will translate into future success, we won't know until he is given a more extended opportunity to show us. People cannot discount how he took a losing team and led it to the playoffs. That cannot all be flukes and luck.

 

[Sinn Fein]

As successful QBs go, Tebow makes a fine fullback.

He has 8 wins as a starter, the same as Matt Leinart. Anyone going to defend Matt Leinart as a successful QB? Simply because the team had some success with Tebow as the starter, does not mean Tebow was successful.

How is it that this successful QB finds himself on the bench behind Mark Sanchez?

 

[Ghost Rider]

As successful QBs go, Tebow makes a fine fullback.



He has 8 wins as a starter, the same as Matt Leinart. Anyone going to defend Matt Leinart as a successful QB? Simply because the team had some success with Tebow as the starter, does not mean Tebow was successful.

How is it that this successful QB finds himself on the bench behind Mark Sanchez?

 

[Sinn Fein]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Exactly.

Broncos won in spite of Tebow, not because of him. Tebow was an unsuccessful QB - hence the decision to get get rid of him for a 36-yo QB coming off neck surgery and a missed year. The Broncos clearly saw the trade of Tebow as addition by subtraction. 12 TD + 6 Int + 7 fumbles + 6.4 yards/Attempt + 46% completion rate = unsuccessful NFL QB

Sorry

If you want to say he was not a successful traditional pocket-passing NFL QB, fine. But if you're going to ignore his 600 yards rushing, 6 rushing TDs, and the obvious impact he had on the run game that allowed Old Man McGahee to have a renaissance year, then that's your problem. I would argue that the Broncos got rid of Tebow because they didn't see his success as sustainable, not because they didn't think he was successful at all. It is an important distinction to make. Nobody in here is arguing that Tebow is the future for any franchise, or that he was a good draft pick, or that he is a good pocket passer. But again, he was certainly successful in 2011, unless you think the aim or purpose of an NFL QB is to put up a stat line that looks nice in the box score, which judging by this post, I take to be the case for you. So I suppose this won't go anywhere.

McGahee is averaging more yards per game this year without Tebow. Broncos ranked 23 in yards per game, and 25th in points per game in 2011. I would not call those successful numbers. They rank 12th and 7th, this year without the Tebow handicap on the offense.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Out:

In addition to Holmes, Keller, and Hill being out, apparently FB John Connor is also doubtful (which explains the Lex Hilliard signing perhaps).

So ugly, so very ugly.

 

[QuizGuy66]

It's hugely unlikely Tebow makes an extended run as a starting NFL QB ever again. Last year was the perfect storm in that regard for a bunch of different reasons.Also, Sanchez is guaranteed more than $20 million this year and next -- they're not going to eat that while he carries a clipboard.

These are interesting thoughts.On the other hand, -QG

 

[footballnerd]

suc•cess•ful |səkˈsesfəl|

adjective

accomplishing an aim or purpose: a successful attack on the town.

Last year was a successful year for Tebow, unless you think the point of playing QB is having a nice stat line and impressing NFL pocket-passer critics.

Exactly.

Broncos won in spite of Tebow, not because of him. Tebow was an unsuccessful QB - hence the decision to get get rid of him for a 36-yo QB coming off neck surgery and a missed year. The Broncos clearly saw the trade of Tebow as addition by subtraction. 12 TD + 6 Int + 7 fumbles + 6.4 yards/Attempt + 46% completion rate = unsuccessful NFL QB

Sorry

Niners were about to rid the QB that took them to the NFC championship for that 36 yo old coming off neck surgery. I wouldnt count that as a knock on Tebow

 

[ldizzle]

I'm not a tebow supporter but here are some that he could outproduce, either because of injuries or schedule.CLE QBJAG QBAZ QBTEN QBSEA QBMatt casselCarson PalmerMatt SchaubJosh FreemanChristian PonderJay CutlerRyan TannehillSam BradfordAlex SmithAndy Dalton-even though has been decent last few gamesMark Sanchez

This list is a complete joke.

Care to elaborate? Dare I ask why it is a "joke"I really enjoyed your fishing trip...

 

[MacAvery]

It's hugely unlikely Tebow makes an extended run as a starting NFL QB ever again. Last year was the perfect storm in that regard for a bunch of different reasons.Also, Sanchez is guaranteed more than $20 million this year and next -- they're not going to eat that while he carries a clipboard.

These are interesting thoughts.On the other hand, -QG

Who's calling the shots? If it's Ryan, he is going to do whatever wins because his fat ### is on the line.

 

[MacAvery]

Given Sanchez continues his adept ways tomorrow, seeing as the 2nd team unit of Tebow, Powell and assorted WR's remaining have had a good amount practicing together, sound like something that the near future holds?

I wonder the same.If/When Tebow Time starts, the whole complexion of this offense from a fantasy perspective could change? Which running back benefits the most from Tebow Time?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Given Sanchez continues his adept ways tomorrow, seeing as the 2nd team unit of Tebow, Powell and assorted WR's remaining have had a good amount practicing together, sound like something that the near future holds?

I wonder the same.If/When Tebow Time starts, the whole complexion of this offense from a fantasy perspective could change? Which running back benefits the most from Tebow Time?

The RB on whatever team the Jets are playing

 

[moleculo]

PatsfanCT = FavreCo. Notebook updated.

Not, but your crack deduction makes sense given your opinion of Tebow.

let me be clear on my opinion:1. he is not even close to being a competent NFL passer.2. There is more than throwing a pretty ball to being an NFL QB.3. Tebow more of the intangibles than pretty much any QB in the league. As a leader of men, he's probably the most inspirational and the most capable of getting his teammates to put in 110%.4. he's a very good open-field runner, and very good with the read-option offense.Like you, I do not think Tebow will be successful in NYJ. I think that his career was ruined the day that trade was made, because the Jet's aren't good enough to let Tebow hone his craft.However, I've seen enough crazy stuff happen to ever bet against the man. If anyone can figure out how to win in NY w/o competently throwing the ball, it's Tebow.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I'm not a tebow supporter but here are some that he could outproduce, either because of injuries or schedule.CLE QBJAG QBAZ QBTEN QBSEA QBMatt casselCarson PalmerMatt SchaubJosh FreemanChristian PonderJay CutlerRyan TannehillSam BradfordAlex SmithAndy Dalton-even though has been decent last few gamesMark Sanchez

This list is a complete joke.

Care to elaborate? Dare I ask why it is a "joke"I really enjoyed your fishing trip...

Elaborate? Look at your list again, it's pretty obvious.

 

[PatsFanCT]

PatsfanCT = FavreCo. Notebook updated.

Not, but your crack deduction makes sense given your opinion of Tebow.

let me be clear on my opinion:1. he is not even close to being a competent NFL passer.

2. There is more than throwing a pretty ball to being an NFL QB.

3. Tebow more of the intangibles than pretty much any QB in the league. As a leader of men, he's probably the most inspirational and the most capable of getting his teammates to put in 110%.

4. he's a very good open-field runner, and very good with the read-option offense.

Like you, I do not think Tebow will be successful in NYJ. I think that his career was ruined the day that trade was made, because the Jet's aren't good enough to let Tebow hone his craft.

However, I've seen enough crazy stuff happen to ever bet against the man. If anyone can figure out how to win in NY w/o competently throwing the ball, it's Tebow.

I couldn't agree with the bolded more. However, the NFL has seen Tebow enough to shut him down. I don't think he's going to surprise anyone anymore, as has been shown by the few chances he's been given so far this year. You can single cover every receiver on the Jets, because they are not that good, and stack the box to keep his running in check, and don't see him getting many open field running opportunities.