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Jets RB Situation (1 Viewer)
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Franknbeans
Footballguy
Barlow...fumbles
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Don't worry about that.Barlow makes more money and he's the more talented player, so the problem will be solved shortly.LOL, if they thought Blalock was good enough as a starter, they wouldn't have given up a pick and traded for a player due to make over $10 million over the next 3 years.It's a dilemma the coaching staff is facing. Do you play the guy that makes more money or the one that produces better? I recently picked up Blaylock, so I'm hoping for the latter. However, sometimes the front office makes this decision instead of the coach.
From what I've been hearing, Barlow hasn't learned all of the protections yet, and will be limited by this. All four of the Jets RBs will receive playing time, each in specific packages. Think New England the year before they brough Corey Dillon on board.
I suspect that the above arrangement will hold true until someone demonstrates that they deserve more than that. Washingotn, the 4th round pick, has secured himself a spot on the active roster b/c of his abilities on special teams, which means that the Jets will dress four halfbacks on game day. That's probably not an ideal long-term situation.
The coaching staff likes Blaylock, and his versatility will keep himm on the active roster. Cedric Houston has ahd ball security problems, and between Barlow and FB-HB hybrid BJ Askew, Houston is most in jeapardy of losing a spot on the active roster, b/c those two guys can pretty much do everything that Houston can do.
The only way anyone emerges as a full-time starter here is by outplaying everyone else. If you think Barlow ahs that kind of ability, it will probably take him a month to lock down the job. If not, it's RBBC all year.
I suspect that the above arrangement will hold true until someone demonstrates that they deserve more than that. Washingotn, the 4th round pick, has secured himself a spot on the active roster b/c of his abilities on special teams, which means that the Jets will dress four halfbacks on game day. That's probably not an ideal long-term situation.
The coaching staff likes Blaylock, and his versatility will keep himm on the active roster. Cedric Houston has ahd ball security problems, and between Barlow and FB-HB hybrid BJ Askew, Houston is most in jeapardy of losing a spot on the active roster, b/c those two guys can pretty much do everything that Houston can do.
The only way anyone emerges as a full-time starter here is by outplaying everyone else. If you think Barlow ahs that kind of ability, it will probably take him a month to lock down the job. If not, it's RBBC all year.
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Rovers
Footballguy
I posted my take on the Jets RB situation in post 91 of MoP's thread here...
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...64874&st=50
Take it for what you think it's worth....
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...64874&st=50
Take it for what you think it's worth....
Rovers
Footballguy
I disagree..... the first game is Blaylock's.RBBC for game 1, undecided after that.
Yeah that's what i'm thinking as well. But i've yet to find that information. All i can find is what rotoworld is posting..I disagree..... the first game is Blaylock's.RBBC for game 1, undecided after that.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Colin Stephenson, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini plans to use a running back-by-committee approach and will not rely on a feature back. RB Kevan Barlow, RB Cedric Houston and RB Derrick Blaylock are all expected to see carries.
Rovers
Footballguy
In Mangini's short time as Jets HC..... I don't put much stock in what little he does say. I put stock in what I've seen. What I've seen is that Blaylock is the starter. Yes, he won't get 30 touches.... 20 to 25 is my guess.... (that is touches, not carries) and yup, the others will be in the mix, but early on, (meaning THIS week) I expect to see little of Houston, and not too much Washington. It will be mostly Blaylock, and 5 to 10 touches for Barlow.I'm not saying you're wrong, but Mangini I thought was quoted as saying that all would get a look, no?Rovers said:I disagree..... the first game is Blaylock's.redman said:RBBC for game 1, undecided after that.
First and foremost, Mangini isn't giving out information this year, on anything. Don't ask him what time it is, he won't tell you.
This has the committee stench for the beginning of the year, and it will probably stay that way unless Barlow wakes up and remembers the back he was a few years ago. But this also looks like a 4-12 or 5-11 type of team, and in general it's very difficult to get consistent RB fantasy points from those situations.
Sunday guess: Blaylock starts Sunday, gets 10-14 touches, with Barlow getting 8-12.
This has the committee stench for the beginning of the year, and it will probably stay that way unless Barlow wakes up and remembers the back he was a few years ago. But this also looks like a 4-12 or 5-11 type of team, and in general it's very difficult to get consistent RB fantasy points from those situations.
Sunday guess: Blaylock starts Sunday, gets 10-14 touches, with Barlow getting 8-12.
redman
Footballguy
I know he's from the Bill Belichick School of Public Relations, which is to say that he makes Baghdad Bob look like he's been pumped full of truth serum, so that doesn't surprise me. As a Houston owner in a deep dynasty league, all I have to say then isIn Mangini's short time as Jets HC..... I don't put much stock in what little he does say. I put stock in what I've seen. What I've seen is that Blaylock is the starter. Yes, he won't get 30 touches.... 20 to 25 is my guess.... (that is touches, not carries) and yup, the others will be in the mix, but early on, (meaning THIS week) I expect to see little of Houston, and not too much Washington. It will be mostly Blaylock, and 5 to 10 touches for Barlow.I'm not saying you're wrong, but Mangini I thought was quoted as saying that all would get a look, no?Rovers said:I disagree..... the first game is Blaylock's.redman said:RBBC for game 1, undecided after that.
Rovers
Footballguy
I could repost my entire take on the Jets RB situation.... but I already posted that in the thread I linked to earlier. Bottom line is my $ is on Houston by week 10.... maybe by week 8. It's not all doom and gloom for Houston.... but he'll have to wait until Barlow and Blaylock show that they won't get it done.
This isn't because I'm a Jets homer.... the defense is much better than people realize. They will keep them in games, and won't get blown out often... maybe once or twice. That will keep the running game numbers decent.... I'm not saying good, just decent. The Jets may not win 8 games, but they will be in 14 of them into the 4th quarter.
This isn't because I'm a Jets homer.... the defense is much better than people realize. They will keep them in games, and won't get blown out often... maybe once or twice. That will keep the running game numbers decent.... I'm not saying good, just decent. The Jets may not win 8 games, but they will be in 14 of them into the 4th quarter.
mhrutkowski
Footballguy
What you've seen doesn't tell you much. Barlow was traded for just before the 3rd preason week... he fumbled a few carries into the 3rd game and then no starters played in the 4th game. Don't believe he's the feature back? Sure, but Blaylock sure aint.In Mangini's short time as Jets HC..... I don't put much stock in what little he does say. I put stock in what I've seen. What I've seen is that Blaylock is the starter. Yes, he won't get 30 touches.... 20 to 25 is my guess.... (that is touches, not carries) and yup, the others will be in the mix, but early on, (meaning THIS week) I expect to see little of Houston, and not too much Washington. It will be mostly Blaylock, and 5 to 10 touches for Barlow.I'm not saying you're wrong, but Mangini I thought was quoted as saying that all would get a look, no?Rovers said:I disagree..... the first game is Blaylock's.redman said:RBBC for game 1, undecided after that.
mhrutkowski
Footballguy
One would think but no starters received any reps... I don't think Barlow will get most of the carries, I think it will be split. Blaylock hasn't had a lights out pre-season, either
Dunno - not a single starter played, so Barlow was in prety good company for sitting out. It's not liek he's an unknown. There is a ton of film on him, and seeing him tear a2nd or 3rd team defense a new one really wouldn't teach much.
redman
Footballguy
So in summary,
- Barlow is not starting because he fumbled in his only preseason game with the Jets and didn't get any work in the last preseason game despite being new to the team;
- Barlow is starting because he didn't get any work in the last preseason game and was sat along with the other starters;
- it's going to be a RBBC in the first game because Mangini says he'll work all of the RB's;
- it won't be a RBBC because you can't believe anything Mangini says;
- Barlow sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Blaylock sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Houston looks better than last year because they've managed his thyroid condition;
- Houston's lucky to be on the roster at all;
- Washington is Mangini's guy and figures to see action; and
- Washington doesn't figure into anything at all as a rookie.
Have I got it all covered?
- Barlow is not starting because he fumbled in his only preseason game with the Jets and didn't get any work in the last preseason game despite being new to the team;
- Barlow is starting because he didn't get any work in the last preseason game and was sat along with the other starters;
- it's going to be a RBBC in the first game because Mangini says he'll work all of the RB's;
- it won't be a RBBC because you can't believe anything Mangini says;
- Barlow sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Blaylock sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Houston looks better than last year because they've managed his thyroid condition;
- Houston's lucky to be on the roster at all;
- Washington is Mangini's guy and figures to see action; and
- Washington doesn't figure into anything at all as a rookie.
Have I got it all covered?
Rovers
Footballguy
LOL! Ok....Jets Plan to Use Four Backs in OpenerSo in summary,
- Barlow is not starting because he fumbled in his only preseason game with the Jets and didn't get any work in the last preseason game despite being new to the team;
- Barlow is starting because he didn't get any work in the last preseason game and was sat along with the other starters;
- it's going to be a RBBC in the first game because Mangini says he'll work all of the RB's;
- it won't be a RBBC because you can't believe anything Mangini says;
- Barlow sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Blaylock sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Houston looks better than last year because they've managed his thyroid condition;
- Houston's lucky to be on the roster at all;
- Washington is Mangini's guy and figures to see action; and
- Washington doesn't figure into anything at all as a rookie.
Have I got it all covered?
Barlow, Houston, Blaylock, Washington in Mix
By DENNIS WASZAK Jr.
AP
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (Sept. 4) - Kevan Barlow leaned forward in front of his locker, looked up at the pack of reporters and assured them he's prepared to make an impact for the New York Jets .
"I'm ready," Barlow said Monday. "I'm ready to play. This week is going to be important for me to get reps."
Barlow, Cedric Houston , Derrick Blaylock and rookie Leon Washington are all in the mix to replace the injured Curtis Martin as the Jets ' No. 1 running back. With Martin sidelined for at least the first six weeks of the season with a knee injury, coach Eric Mangini plans - for now - to use all four in the season opener at Tennessee .
"Whoever the running back is doesn't matter, as long as by the end of the day he helps us win games," Barlow said. "It does not matter to me."
Fantasy football fanatics trying to get a handle on it can keep guessing.
"That's something that will be evolving, but not just with the running back position, but with all the different positions," Mangini said.
That approach is similar to the one Bill Belichick, Mangini's former boss, has taken with New England . The Patriots often rotate their running backs, tight ends and wide receivers based on game situations.
Barlow, a former 1,000-yard rusher acquired from San Francisco on Aug. 20, had just three carries for 11 yards against the Giants on Aug. 25, and didn't play against Philadelphia last Friday.
Many assumed he would be named the Jets' starter when the deal was made.
"You can't really say that," Barlow said. "You're not going to throw a guy out there that doesn't know the offense. He's liable to get one of the quarterbacks hurt. We don't need that, especially with the situation that we had last year. Whatever my role is, I'm happy with it."
Most of the work done by Barlow has been on the practice field and in the classroom with running backs coach Jimmy Raye and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer.
"He's really working to get the playbook down," Mangini said. "And the positive thing about game planning is that the playbook goes from `War and Peace' to something a lot more manageable because it's so opponent-specific. And that's actually a little bit of an edge when you do bring in new players and transition them into your system."
Houston has been the Jets' leading rusher in the preseason, running for 178 yards on 44 carries. He had 108 of those yards against the Eagles , further cementing his spot in the running back mix.
"I think Cedric has done a good job with his opportunities," Mangini said. "We've talked to Cedric about things he needs to work on, and he's been conscientious about that and worked on it."
Houston stepped in for Martin as a rookie last season after the fourth-leading rusher in NFL history had his year end. Houston started the last four games and rushed for 227 yards and two touchdowns, and said the opportunity to watch Martin everyday helped with his own development.
"He taught me a lot about what it takes to be a running back in this league, and what it takes to be successful," he said.
Blaylock had 93 yards on 25 carries in the preseason. The six-year pro is an established backup, who actually started ahead of Larry Johnson with Kansas City when Priest Holmes was injured two years ago.
Washington, drafted in the fourth round out of Florida State, has opened some eyes with his special teams play, but has also taken advantage of his time in the backfield. He had 59 yards on 20 carries, and has come a long way since his first day of training camp.
This is the part that makes me think Mangini will limit Barlow's playing time until he fully learns the offense:
Many assumed he would be named the Jets' starter when the deal was made.
"You can't really say that," Barlow said. "You're not going to throw a guy out there that doesn't know the offense. He's liable to get one of the quarterbacks hurt. We don't need that, especially with the situation that we had last year. Whatever my role is, I'm happy with it."
Most of the work done by Barlow has been on the practice field and in the classroom with running backs coach Jimmy Raye and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer.
"He's really working to get the playbook down," Mangini said. "And the positive thing about game planning is that the playbook goes from `War and Peace' to something a lot more manageable because it's so opponent-specific. And that's actually a little bit of an edge when you do bring in new players and transition them into your system."
Houston has been the Jets' leading rusher in the preseason, running for 178 yards on 44 carries. He had 108 of those yards against the Eagles , further cementing his spot in the running back mix.
Sorry, I don't know how to highlight parts! Yes, I am a computer idiot.
Like I said earlier, I expect Blaylock to get 20 to 25 touches, and Barlow to get 5 to 10. It sounds like he's doing his best to learn the system, but 3 weeks may just not be enough time.
redman
Footballguy
Ah ha! So I'm right then!LOL! Ok....Jets Plan to Use Four Backs in OpenerSo in summary,
- Barlow is not starting because he fumbled in his only preseason game with the Jets and didn't get any work in the last preseason game despite being new to the team;
- Barlow is starting because he didn't get any work in the last preseason game and was sat along with the other starters;
- it's going to be a RBBC in the first game because Mangini says he'll work all of the RB's;
- it won't be a RBBC because you can't believe anything Mangini says;
- Barlow sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Blaylock sucks;
- No he doesn't;
- Houston looks better than last year because they've managed his thyroid condition;
- Houston's lucky to be on the roster at all;
- Washington is Mangini's guy and figures to see action; and
- Washington doesn't figure into anything at all as a rookie.
Have I got it all covered?
Barlow, Houston, Blaylock, Washington in Mix
By DENNIS WASZAK Jr.
AP
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (Sept. 4) - Kevan Barlow leaned forward in front of his locker, looked up at the pack of reporters and assured them he's prepared to make an impact for the New York Jets .
"I'm ready," Barlow said Monday. "I'm ready to play. This week is going to be important for me to get reps."
Barlow, Cedric Houston , Derrick Blaylock and rookie Leon Washington are all in the mix to replace the injured Curtis Martin as the Jets ' No. 1 running back. With Martin sidelined for at least the first six weeks of the season with a knee injury, coach Eric Mangini plans - for now - to use all four in the season opener at Tennessee .
"Whoever the running back is doesn't matter, as long as by the end of the day he helps us win games," Barlow said. "It does not matter to me."
Fantasy football fanatics trying to get a handle on it can keep guessing.
"That's something that will be evolving, but not just with the running back position, but with all the different positions," Mangini said.
That approach is similar to the one Bill Belichick, Mangini's former boss, has taken with New England . The Patriots often rotate their running backs, tight ends and wide receivers based on game situations.
Barlow, a former 1,000-yard rusher acquired from San Francisco on Aug. 20, had just three carries for 11 yards against the Giants on Aug. 25, and didn't play against Philadelphia last Friday.
Many assumed he would be named the Jets' starter when the deal was made.
"You can't really say that," Barlow said. "You're not going to throw a guy out there that doesn't know the offense. He's liable to get one of the quarterbacks hurt. We don't need that, especially with the situation that we had last year. Whatever my role is, I'm happy with it."
Most of the work done by Barlow has been on the practice field and in the classroom with running backs coach Jimmy Raye and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer.
"He's really working to get the playbook down," Mangini said. "And the positive thing about game planning is that the playbook goes from `War and Peace' to something a lot more manageable because it's so opponent-specific. And that's actually a little bit of an edge when you do bring in new players and transition them into your system."
Houston has been the Jets' leading rusher in the preseason, running for 178 yards on 44 carries. He had 108 of those yards against the Eagles , further cementing his spot in the running back mix.
"I think Cedric has done a good job with his opportunities," Mangini said. "We've talked to Cedric about things he needs to work on, and he's been conscientious about that and worked on it."
Houston stepped in for Martin as a rookie last season after the fourth-leading rusher in NFL history had his year end. Houston started the last four games and rushed for 227 yards and two touchdowns, and said the opportunity to watch Martin everyday helped with his own development.
"He taught me a lot about what it takes to be a running back in this league, and what it takes to be successful," he said.
Blaylock had 93 yards on 25 carries in the preseason. The six-year pro is an established backup, who actually started ahead of Larry Johnson with Kansas City when Priest Holmes was injured two years ago.
Washington, drafted in the fourth round out of Florida State, has opened some eyes with his special teams play, but has also taken advantage of his time in the backfield. He had 59 yards on 20 carries, and has come a long way since his first day of training camp.
This is the part that makes me think Mangini will limit Barlow's playing time until he fully learns the offense:
Many assumed he would be named the Jets' starter when the deal was made.
"You can't really say that," Barlow said. "You're not going to throw a guy out there that doesn't know the offense. He's liable to get one of the quarterbacks hurt. We don't need that, especially with the situation that we had last year. Whatever my role is, I'm happy with it."
Most of the work done by Barlow has been on the practice field and in the classroom with running backs coach Jimmy Raye and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer.
"He's really working to get the playbook down," Mangini said. "And the positive thing about game planning is that the playbook goes from `War and Peace' to something a lot more manageable because it's so opponent-specific. And that's actually a little bit of an edge when you do bring in new players and transition them into your system."
Houston has been the Jets' leading rusher in the preseason, running for 178 yards on 44 carries. He had 108 of those yards against the Eagles , further cementing his spot in the running back mix.
Sorry, I don't know how to highlight parts! Yes, I am a computer idiot.
Rovers
Footballguy
This is funny..... here is the UNOFFICIAL depth chart on the Jets site...
http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/depth_chart/
http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/depth_chart/
msommer
Footballguy
I thought they were going to a 3-4
redman
Footballguy
Rovers
Footballguy
And THAT is one of several reasons I said it was funny.... but, if B Thomas keeps his listing as a DE.... he's a stud. Barlow listed third at RB..... this was put out by the Jets' media department.... I think her name is Shiela....I thought they were going to a 3-4
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
How many carries would you expect Barlow to get?
mhrutkowski
Footballguy
Jets fan here \I will say it again...
With Mangini you can't get a read on any of the RBs
Barlow is the most talented but has focus issues, Blaylock is fast but isn't a feature back, Houston is a decent north-south runner but is inactive... Washington is purely a COP
With Mangini you can't get a read on any of the RBs
Barlow is the most talented but has focus issues, Blaylock is fast but isn't a feature back, Houston is a decent north-south runner but is inactive... Washington is purely a COP
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zamboni
Footballguy
Hard to say, as it depends how many plays and whether they're in the game.I'm guessing it would be relatively split between him and Blaylock, with Leon Washington a distant third (if any).
