Jets trade for Doug Jolley (1 Viewer)

[Demons]

I think the Jets will be quite happy with Jolly.  He will do well in that offense.  He just is not the run blocker Norv wants in his offense and C. Anderson has proven he is taht and can also catch the ball.  Teyo is the wild card.  You think maybe the coaches know a little better then us if he is ready to contribute more consistently?  Probably.

I think it is a win-win deal.  I don't like it as much if the Raiders gave up the 37th pick, obviously.  Heres to hoping it's the 48th they gave up and if not, I still like the deals Al has been working.  CHEERS RAIDER FANS!   

According to ESPN, "In addition to Jolley, the Jets got a second-round pick this year, the 47th selection overall, and a pair of sixth-round picks. The Raiders also got a seventh-round pick from the Jets. Oakland still owns its own second-round pick, the 38th overall. The second-rounder sent to the Jets was acquired from Houston on Tuesday night in a deal that sent former first-round cornerback Phillip Buchanon to the Texans."Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2042190

 

[Mole]

I think the Jets will be quite happy with Jolly. He will do well in that offense. He just is not the run blocker Norv wants in his offense and C. Anderson has proven he is taht and can also catch the ball. Teyo is the wild card. You think maybe the coaches know a little better then us if he is ready to contribute more consistently? Probably.

I think it is a win-win deal. I don't like it as much if the Raiders gave up the 37th pick, obviously. Heres to hoping it's the 48th they gave up and if not, I still like the deals Al has been working. CHEERS RAIDER FANS!

According to ESPN, "(I)n addition to Jolley, the Jets got a second-round pick this year, the 47th selection overall, and a pair of sixth-round picks. The Raiders also got a seventh-round pick from the Jets. Oakland still owns its own second-round pick, the 38th overall. The second-rounder sent to the Jets was acquired from Houston on Tuesday night in a deal that sent former first-round cornerback Phillip Buchanon to the Texans."

OMG they changed it, bastards!

 

[Jason Wood]

I could understand if the Jets got 2.38 back in return (essentially moving down 12 slots and acquiring a starting TE in the process) but 2.47 is harder to fathom. They've essentially moved down an entire round in order to acquire a TE that's marginally above replacement value IMHO.

 

[Bri]

The first two posts are a little different. The 6th round+7th round picks mentioned in the second.32 teams.

182 divided by 32 is 5.6 or a fifth round pick not 6th.

Something "off" there.

Add in the 50 or so Comp picks and this will make more sense

Headspinning, wouldn't that make it move in the opposite direction?

 

[Reaper]

As Jets fan, I'm mixed. But, I feel the Jets weren't enamored with who they were staring at at 26 and the higher salary slot... Jolley is Cheap from what I read...Miller was just arrested, Fabian climbed late due to speed.... They can sign Dyson AND/or get a corner just as good with the Raider pick.... With Heath Miller's health questions, now they have a TE that can play in addition to the pick - For that matter they can even draft Alex Smith in round 2.... I'm sure the Jets felt the players they targeted at 26 will be around for a while...Some are saying Nugent now in round 2... After signing Dyson?Intersting.

 

[diesel7982]

The first two posts are a little different. The 6th round+7th round picks mentioned in the second.32 teams.

182 divided by 32 is 5.6 or a fifth round pick not 6th.

Something "off" there.

Add in the 50 or so Comp picks and this will make more sense

Headspinning, wouldn't that make it move in the opposite direction?

32 picks/round initially given due to record * 5 rounds = 160 picks

160 picks + 6 comp 3rds + 3 comp 4ths + 6 comp 5ths = 175 picks in the first 5 rounds

Maybe I am misreading what he is saying.

182 is a 6th rounder. The 7th pick in the 6th round to be exact.

EDIT: Found whats wrong. When you divided 182/32, you got 5.7. You just interpreted the result wrong. Your answer shows that 5 full rounds(without comp picks) would be completed, and .7 of the 6th round would be completed. Meaning that it would be a 6th round pick, not a 5th.

 

[Bri]

thanks diesel

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

I'm a Jets fan and I love this deal. Would anyone have batted an eye if they had taken Heath Miller in the first? I look at it as they traded Miller and a 7th rounder for Jolley, the 47th pick in the draft and two sixth rounders. If the Jets had actually taken Miller and then made that trade everyone would be saying what a steal they got. They just filled one of their greatest needs and added more picks in the process.

 

[14464]

I laugh at people who have never come close to running a team pretend as if they really know which team raped another. They made the trade now wait a few years to see if you're right, who knows, maybe they BOTH got better or both turn out to be insignificant...the Raiders and Jets have a lovely history of botching up their draft picks

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

I'm a Jets fan and I love this deal. Would anyone have batted an eye if they had taken Heath Miller in the first? I look at it as they traded Miller and a 7th rounder for Jolley, the 47th pick in the draft and two sixth rounders. If the Jets had actually taken Miller and then made that trade everyone would be saying what a steal they got. They just filled one of their greatest needs and added more picks in the process.

One small problem with that rationale. Miller is going to be 10 times better than Jolley could ever dream of being. Other than that... solid post.

 

[Bri]

I laugh at people who have never come close to running a team pretend as if they really know which team raped another.

They made the trade now wait a few years to see if you're right, who knows, maybe they BOTH got better or both turn out to be insignificant...the Raiders and Jets have a lovely history of botching up their draft picks

But that's no fun.Who wants to sit around and critique trades 3 years after the fact? Maybe for a couple minutes but that loses it's zest quickly.

FF folks predict football things, right or wrong it's what we do....right?

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

I laugh at people who have never come close to running a team pretend as if they really know which team raped another.

They made the trade now wait a few years to see if you're right, who knows, maybe they BOTH got better or both turn out to be insignificant...the Raiders and Jets have a lovely history of botching up their draft picks

But that's no fun.Who wants to sit around and critique trades 3 years after the fact? Maybe for a couple minutes but that loses it's zest quickly.

FF folks predict football things, right or wrong it's what we do....right?

Bri,Please stop making sense.

TIA

 

[Bojang0301]

I would hope to hell the Jets got a second round pick if not  :X

The article just says it is believed not confirmed yet.

Read the post immediately after the one to which you are referring.

Funny cause that post and intial reports were wrong about what pick was recieved. The opinion obviously changes if it is just 12 spots.

 

[Gravity]

As a JETS fan I don't know what to think....Really don't know enough about Jolley - and we could have taken Miller with that pick so maybe the coaches didn't like what they saw...I wish they would have gone after Putzier more aggresively.

 

[cstu]

I'm a Jets fan and I love this deal.  Would anyone have batted an eye if they had taken Heath Miller in the first?  I look at it as they traded Miller and a 7th rounder for Jolley, the 47th pick in the draft and two sixth rounders.  If the Jets had actually taken Miller and then made that trade everyone would be saying what a steal they got.  They just filled one of their greatest needs and added more picks in the process.

One small problem with that rationale. Miller is going to be 10 times better than Jolley could ever dream of being. Other than that... solid post.

10X? Is that why the Raiders took him with the #55 pick - likely less than a round after Miller will be taken? He may not be as good as Miller, but he's cheaper, has 3 years of experience, and the Jets know exactly what they are getting unlike with a rookie.I understand being happy with a good trade for your team, but not the dissing of the player that you were probably rooting for. I'll be glad to see Brees traded but I'm going to say something like "Rodgers will be 10X better than Brees could dream of being".

 

[gem IV]

It's a good move for the Jets.They drop down, out of the first round in a draft in which the 1st round talent really ends after the first few picks, get a NFL proven TE who will probably step in and start...for a unproven draft pick (remember Johnny Mitchell?) 21 spots ahead of where they were. Plus, they've added extra picks and will save big bucks and future cap space by not having to pay 1st round $$.All in all...a good move by GM - T.Bradway.

 

[NoCheese]

What a weird trade. Doug friekin Jolley? Isn't that the type of player you can pick up in FA for the veteran minimum? Maybe I'm selling him short, but to think that a player like Jolley can vault you into the 1st round (20 picks up?) is really quite amazing in a market where Alexander/Edge can be had for a 2nd and Rod Gardner for a 3rd/4th. Doesn't make ANY SENSE whatsoever. I'd be very upset if I was a Jets fan.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'd say that this certainly increases the likelihood of the Steelers taking Heath Miller.As a Steeler fan I kinda hope that pass on Miller, though. He has injury concerns and the Steelers rarely throw to the tight end anyway. Of course that might change if they had Heath Miller. Still, I think I would rather they grab a CB (Jackson, J. Miller, Washington), an o-lineman (Brown) or DE (D. Cody, if he slips that far).

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Not crazy about the deal. Unless Heath Miller's health issues are "high risk" or unless he was unlikely to be there at #26, I don't like the deal, but then again it is way too soon to be definatively grade this deal.On the other hand, Doug Jolley > Anthony Becht.

 

[gem IV]

I'd say that this certainly increases the likelihood of the Steelers taking Heath Miller.

As a Steeler fan I kinda hope that pass on Miller, though. He has injury concerns and the Steelers rarely throw to the tight end anyway. Of course that might change if they had Heath Miller.

Still, I think I would rather they grab a CB (Jackson, J. Miller, Washington), an o-lineman (Brown) or DE (D. Cody, if he slips that far).

Yep, looks more likely now that you will end up taking one sports-herniated Viginian.

 

[gem IV]

On the other hand, Doug Jolley > Anthony Becht.

Which supports the "it's a good deal for the Jets" angle as Becht was a first-round pick (27th overall) in 2000.

 

[Banger]

The Jets went after Putzier and couldn't get him, they tried to sign Dilger and he didn't want to play in NY, they tried at the last minute to re-sign Becht and he declined. TE is an obvious need for the Jets and they probably felt Jolley was better than anyone in the draft. He also has a few years under his belt playing in the NFL so he can step right in and play. I think this is a good move by the Jets.

 

[raidergil]

I'd call it a win-win. Raiders move up to get much needed defense and based on Anderson's emergence & Johnson's performance near end of season Jolley became expendable. Jets are built to win now - defense in place, more experienced Pennington, Martin still strong but no youth backing up. The get Coles back & new OC to supposedly open the offense & Jolley will help there. Has good hands & can get downfield. Not great blocker, that's why Raiders kept bringing back Roland Williams, but Jolley will be nice security for Pennington. Heath Miller may be stud someday but Jets need to take advantage of down division (Mia & Buff not likely to contend), and departures NE has faced.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

I'm a Jets fan and I love this deal.  Would anyone have batted an eye if they had taken Heath Miller in the first?  I look at it as they traded Miller and a 7th rounder for Jolley, the 47th pick in the draft and two sixth rounders.  If the Jets had actually taken Miller and then made that trade everyone would be saying what a steal they got.  They just filled one of their greatest needs and added more picks in the process.

One small problem with that rationale. Miller is going to be 10 times better than Jolley could ever dream of being. Other than that... solid post.

Let's see...Jolley caught 27 for 313 last year. I imagine he could DREAM of catching 45 for 500+. Wake me when Miller posts 450 catches for 5,000 next season. Other than that...solid post.

 

[Jason Wood]

Since when did Doug Jolley become the 2nd coming of Antonio Gates? He's been consistent (27-32 receptions per year, 1 to 2 TDs) and is, by definition, a role player. If Heath Miller is worth the 1st round grade he carries (we won't know for a few years), he's EASILY a better option (although the 10x notion is silly).

THAT SAID, I overall like the trade for the Jets upon 2nd glance:

Essentially the Jets gained:

Starting TE

Potential starter at need position (via the 2nd rounder)
Two potential roster bench buys (2 6th rounders in a deep draft)And gave up

Potential starter at need position (via the 1st rounder)
A long shot to make the team roster (7th rounder)As long as Bradway makes the right picks, this deal was a solid move IMHO.

 

[Reaper]

Since when did Doug Jolley become the 2nd coming of Antonio Gates? He's been consistent (27-32 receptions per year, 1 to 2 TDs) and is, by definition, a role player. If Heath Miller is worth the 1st round grade he carries (we won't know for a few years), he's EASILY a better option (although the 10x notion is silly).

I think Miller's injury plays a big role - The Jets seemed to be hoping he'd fall - So, say the dream comes true and he falls - But BAM, he can' tplay for a while - Now the Jets need to scramble for a starting TE !!!!!!!!Now they filled the TE spot cheap and will get a player at their new spot with simiar draft grade But again, CHEAPER...

Bradway came to the Jets when they had a Parcells Salary Cap mess and has made a number of smart moves keeping the cap in check... And this money is probably going to Dyson....

Not a HUGE move or a Great move - Just a move that gets them a little value and positions them tright where they feel they can get a simialr player while one they targeted at 26 was arrested and Fabian is a 40 time wonder along with Miller being damaged goods....

A Nice move that reduces some risk and saves money.... Leave the money deals for the Raiders and Skins!!!

 

[Mole]

Since when did Doug Jolley become the 2nd coming of Antonio Gates? He's been consistent (27-32 receptions per year, 1 to 2 TDs) and is, by definition, a role player. If Heath Miller is worth the 1st round grade he carries (we won't know for a few years), he's EASILY a better option (although the 10x notion is silly).

THAT SAID, I overall like the trade for the Jets upon 2nd glance:

Essentially the Jets gained:

Starting TE

Potential starter at need position (via the 2nd rounder)
Two potential roster bench buys (2 6th rounders in a deep draft)And gave up

Potential starter at need position (via the 1st rounder)
A long shot to make the team roster (7th rounder)As long as Bradway makes the right picks, this deal was a solid move IMHO.

I couldnt agree more, the Jets are in win Now mode, 3 years down the line doesn't help us play in February, if Himendinger is all he is cracked up to be, the Jets TE corp has the potential to be very productive in this offense.I think the key to this whole 'trade dealie' could hinge on the signing of Andre Dyson, while not being a true #1 CB he is an upgrade over Donnie Aberaham and Ray Mickens, who would have started in the event of D.Abe's retirement. Saving a bit of dough by not having to dole out a similar money to the contract signed by Chris Perry last year isn't such a bad thing either...

Chris Perry (#26 pick last year) signed a 5 year deal with 3.9M in guaranteed bonus money, and 3M in escalators. The total deal was $10M if he met all the escalators, 7 if not.

Mole

 

[Rovers]

The Jets went after Putzier and couldn't get him, they tried to sign Dilger and he didn't want to play in NY, they tried at the last minute to re-sign Becht and he declined. TE is an obvious need for the Jets and they probably felt Jolley was better than anyone in the draft. He also has a few years under his belt playing in the NFL so he can step right in and play. I think this is a good move by the Jets.

The Jets never went after Dilger or tried to resign Becht. They did want Putzier, for sure. I still don't like it, but, I wasn't shocked either, for several reasons. The Jets think they have Dyson just about signed, and they don't like Marlin Jackson or Fabian Washington, at least not as 1st round picks. They don't think Heath Miller will fall, and are concerned about this sports hernia he has. They also don't think Alex Smith (the TE) is a first round pick, and Bradway has been saying all along that they felt there were only 18 or so "legitimate" first rounders in this year's draft. So, they get Jolley for moving back 21 spots in the draft, where they feel there is just about as much value in terms of player potential as there is at 27 overall. From Bradway's viewpoint, he doesnt lose much in dropping 21 spots, and he gets a TE out of the deal.

If Teyo Johnson was all that, how come there were rumors he might even get cut last year? I thought he was going to be the next Gonzo, but Gates took that monicker. The Raider brass was whining about Johnson early last year, as I recall. What I don't know is whether or not Jolley is any good. His numbers are lousy, but that doesn't have to mean he's a lousy recieving TE either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oakland hasn't targeted TE's much in thier offense, as far as I know. One thing for sure, he has to be better than Chris Baker.

 

[Keepers]

I can't understand the Heath Miller hype. This is acknowledged as a very weak TE class and that is the only reason why Miller has a round 1 grade. So even if Miller is better than Jolley, which is questionable, this is a great trade for the Jets rather than reaching on a guy in the 1st round ... Miller has great hands and intangibles (route running, etc.) but his lack of athletic ability (4.87 40, 17 reps of 225, and 32" VJ) will keep him from ever being an elite TE, and while he is acknowledged as a good position, finesse type blocker, he gets overpowered by physical DEs.

 

[Banger]

The Jets went after Putzier and couldn't get him, they tried to sign Dilger and he didn't want to play in NY, they tried at the last minute to re-sign Becht and he declined.  TE is an obvious need for the Jets and they probably felt Jolley was better than anyone in the draft.  He also has a few years under his belt playing in the NFL so he can step right in and play.  I think this is a good move by the Jets.

The Jets never went after Dilger or tried to resign Becht. They did want Putzier, for sure.

That's not what I read in my local Star Ledger this morning who have beat reporters that cover the team. The quote from this mornings paper "The Jets had been in the market for a TE for quite a while. First, the Borncos matched their offer sheet to Jeb Putzier. Then, veteran UFA Ken Dilger didn't want to play in NY. Finally, the Jets turned to Becht and he rejected a last minute effort to re-sign him. "

 

[TheFanatic]

I laugh at people who have never come close to running a team pretend as if they really know which team raped another.

They made the trade now wait a few years to see if you're right, who knows, maybe they BOTH got better or both turn out to be insignificant...the Raiders and Jets have a lovely history of botching up their draft picks

Exactly. The Raiders are chock full of TE's so each TEs' numbers are diluted. If Jolley gets all the underneath stuff for the Jets he could put up good numbers and thus look much more like a 1st round pick than any TE could in the Raider organization due to the depth at the position...

 

[jetmonkey]

Courtney Anderson isn't even on their website's depth chart

Yeah, neither is Randy Moss.

 

[Klecko HOF]

Exactly. The Raiders are chock full of TE's so each TEs' numbers are diluted. If Jolley gets all the underneath stuff for the Jets he could put up good numbers and thus look much more like a 1st round pick than any TE could in the Raider organization due to the depth at the position...

Excellent point.With NY, Jolley would be THE number one option at TE, and given the trio of Coles, McCareins and Cotchey/Chrebet, it stands that he could benefit big time.I would also point out that NY's D was vastly improved over last years and the offense, under a much better offensive coordinator in Mike Heimerdinger would get more opportunites to put up points. Pennington is also different from Collins in that he does not have his type of arm. He is far more accurate and needs a consistent tight end, something Becht was not. Jolley would be his saftey valve and would see far more passes thrown in his direction than in the Oakland offense.The other thing is Heath Miller. He's slower than Jolley, and would take more time to develop, and would also cost more money. Jolley comes at a cheap price, already knows the ropes of the NFL, and does not have an injury that could keep him out of training camp.Mike Heimerdinger also worked with Frank Wychek, who had his best seasons under him. He knows how to use tight ends and get the best out of his receivers.I like the deal, just wish the Jets got the higher 2nd round pick.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Apparently, the Jets have been interested in Jolley for awhile. THey asked about him when the Raiders were interested in trading for Lamont last year, but the Raidesr weren't ready to deal him then, according to Terry Bradway.

 

[Silver&BlackSmith]

Jolley is NOT a blocking TE and that is why he is expendable in NT offense. The Raiders have Plenty of guys to catch the Rock, they need the TE to be able to block! I like The Raiders moves, I do not think they are done yet!

 

[B Maverick]

Jolley was the best TE on Oakland's roster. Courtney Anderson, who will be their #1 this year is a 2nd year player and has potential and is the one Oak wants to have. Teyo is worthless. He is a WR converted to TE who will end up like Mickel Ricks. The Jets are getting a very good pass catching TE that will fit in with Coles and McCeriens.I like the deal for NY. Oak moving up to the first will get to replace Buchanon but has hurt their TE position. But as it was pointed out, with Collins throwing deep to Moss, Porter and Curry, who needs a TE?

 

[Rovers]

The Jets went after Putzier and couldn't get him, they tried to sign Dilger and he didn't want to play in NY, they tried at the last minute to re-sign Becht and he declined.  TE is an obvious need for the Jets and they probably felt Jolley was better than anyone in the draft.  He also has a few years under his belt playing in the NFL so he can step right in and play.  I think this is a good move by the Jets.

The Jets never went after Dilger or tried to resign Becht. They did want Putzier, for sure.

That's not what I read in my local Star Ledger this morning who have beat reporters that cover the team. The quote from this mornings paper "The Jets had been in the market for a TE for quite a while. First, the Borncos matched their offer sheet to Jeb Putzier. Then, veteran UFA Ken Dilger didn't want to play in NY. Finally, the Jets turned to Becht and he rejected a last minute effort to re-sign him. "

Well, the Star Ledger is usually right on the money, so I stand corrected. I forget his name at the moment, but thier Jets beat reporter is the best one, easilly, in the NY metro area. I'd rather have Jolley over Dilger or Becht though. The Dyson signing really is disappointing though. I thought for sure Bradway would not screw that up, but he did. Now, at CB we'll be starting Strait, Mickens or a late second round rook, unless they sign an aging, ailing Ty Law, to start along with Barnett. If that happens, I will be sure to play my RWR's in every game possible against the Jets.... any one of those guys can be lit up like fireworks on the 4th of July. (Unless it's Law, and IF he's healthy)

 

[jcjets]

Are you kidding me? This is horrible. What the heck has jolley done to warrant giving up the first round pick and moving back to the second round? Baker is just as good as Jolley.At least the Jets wont pick yet another Dlineman as a first round selection. Simply amazing to me, simply amazing.So much for geting a CB..EVER!!

 

[Reaper]

Are you kidding me? This is horrible. What the heck has jolley done to warrant giving up the first round pick and moving back to the second round? Baker is just as good as Jolley.

At least the Jets wont pick yet another Dlineman as a first round selection. Simply amazing to me, simply amazing.

So much for geting a CB..EVER!!

Relax - It's not a great deal, you'd hope they would have gotten the Raiders better pick....But, it's a good deal. The Jets didn't like who they were looking at with the 26th pick and will get a similar guy CHEAPER by moving back....

Jolley is signed CHEAP.....

This is the way you manage the cap.....

They've been targeting Jolley for a year now and feel he wasn't used properly....

Go to WFAN.com and listen to Bradway talk - He sounds like he's got a great grasp of this draft and what the teams goals are.

 

[gem IV]

Are you kidding me? This is horrible. What the heck has jolley done to warrant giving up the first round pick and moving back to the second round? Baker is just as good as Jolley.

At least the Jets wont pick yet another Dlineman as a first round selection. Simply amazing to me, simply amazing.

So much for geting a CB..EVER!!

Don't worry fellow Jet fan, it's all good.1) Filled a need at TE with a player arguably better then what they had (a former 1st rounder). If Baker was better than Jolley he would have been starting over Becht.

2) Picking late in this year's 1st round isn't a whole lot better than a second round pick when you factor in the talent level vs. what you'll have to pay a "1st round" player.

3) CB is probably the deepest position in this year's draft. There will be plenty of very good CBs available when the Jets pick in the 2nd (or even later) round.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'll say it again, this is a good deal for the Jets...I keep hearing people call up NY radio and lament "giving up a 1st rounder for Doug Jolley."

They didn't give up a first rounder, far from it. They gave up a 1st rounder (and 7th) for Doug Jolley AND a 2nd rounder AND two 6th rounders.

Again, not being a Jets fan, I think this is the kind of savvy move good teams do in order to stay contenders.

Jets give up:

1.26 (A probable first year starter)

7th rounder (Unlikely to make roster)Jets get:

Starting, pass catching TE
2.47 (A probable first year starter)
2 6th rounders (One, if not two, bench players who will make the team)That's smart negotiating. Everyone seems to agree that this is a deep draft, but relatively flat in terms of value. So in essence, the Jets have added 2 starters for the price of one (and Jolley's contract is palatable to boot, much moreso than what they would have paid Heath Miller or a CB in the 1st round).

 

[Mole]

Again I couldn't agree more, Look what Bradway has done since he inherited the team from Parcells. He's turned an older slow team into a team of youth and speed in the span of 4 years, making the playoffs 3 of those 4 years. Sure he's had some draft mis-steps, Thomas/Mcgraw/Hobson, but these may still pan out if the collective bunch can stay healthy. Overall, I am a Bradway supporter, the semi-conservative approach the Jets have taken has yeilded results no-one expected. I look foward to tomorrows draft, we have 47,57,88 on day one. Players the NY Media seem to think we are targeting include:

SECOND CHOICESHere are three players Jets will consider with their two second-round picks (No. 47 and No. 57 overall):Corey Webster, CB, 6-0, 199, LSUWebster would've been a surefire No. 1 pick if he had come out after his junior year, but he returned to LSU and suffered a poor, injury-plagued season.Luis Castillo, DT, 6-3, 303, NorthwesternHe's strong and quick, with a great motor. But there's baggage: At the scouting combine in February, the Garfield, N.J., product tested positive for andro, a substance banned by the NFL.Josh Bullocks, FS, 6-0, 209, NebraskaThey want a playmaking safety to play alongside Erik Coleman, and Bullocks seems to have the ball skills. He's widely regarded as the second-best free safety, but he's not real big or physica

Now, without a first-rounder, they will be picking from the third or fourth tier of cornerbacks. Possibilities include LSU's Corey Webster, Stanford's Stanley Wilson and Florida State's Bryant McFadden, who is rising on many draft boards.

So hypothetically if Day one Turned into Webster/Castillo/Bullocks + Jolley, consider me happy.Mole

 

[DaTruth]

I know a lot of people have been saying that the Jets should have gotten a higher pick in the 2nd round, but Bradway acknowledged that the Raiders were willing to part with the higher pick, but then wouldn't give up any of the lower round picks. This tell me two things:1) Bradway does not see much of a difference in value between picks 38 and 47. He basically feels that he can draft the same type of player at the 47th spot that he could have at the 38th spot.2) Bradway feels that the draft is really deep in the lower rounds. By having three 6th rounders, the Jets can either stock on value players or if they feel a certain player has dipped that they have their eye on, they have the ammunition to trade up and get that player. So overall, i think this trade makes a lot of sense as the Jets were able to get a starting TE with great upside and little chance to bust versus a rookie who command more money and would be a bigger risk. As a bonus they stockpiled on picks. Good move!!DaTruth

 

[Jason Wood]

I know a lot of people have been saying that the Jets should have gotten a higher pick in the 2nd round, but Bradway acknowledged that the Raiders were willing to part with the higher pick, but then wouldn't give up any of the lower round picks.

This tell me two things:

1) Bradway does not see much of a difference in value between picks 38 and 47. He basically feels that he can draft the same type of player at the 47th spot that he could have at the 38th spot.

2) Bradway feels that the draft is really deep in the lower rounds. By having three 6th rounders, the Jets can either stock on value players or if they feel a certain player has dipped that they have their eye on, they have the ammunition to trade up and get that player.

So overall, i think this trade makes a lot of sense as the Jets were able to get a starting TE with great upside and little chance to bust versus a rookie who command more money and would be a bigger risk. As a bonus they stockpiled on picks. Good move!!

DaTruth

Excellent posting DaTruthPeople keep dismissing the other picks in this trade, and yet for what this draft lacks at the very top, it more than makes up for in its depth. Having those 2 6th rounders versus the 7th is akin to adding one, if not two, young players to add depth to your team that otherwise wouldn't have been there and/or would've cost more via veteran free agent acquisitions.

 

[DaTruth]

I know a lot of people have been saying that the Jets should have gotten a higher pick in the 2nd round, but Bradway acknowledged that the Raiders were willing to part with the higher pick, but then wouldn't give up any of the lower round picks.

This tell me two things:

1)  Bradway does not see much of a difference in value between picks 38 and 47. He basically feels that he can draft the same type of player at the 47th spot that he could have at the 38th spot.

2) Bradway feels that the draft is really deep in the lower rounds. By having three 6th rounders, the Jets can either stock on value players or if they feel a certain player has dipped that they have their eye on, they have the ammunition to trade up and get that player.

So overall, i think this trade makes a lot of sense as the Jets were able to get a starting TE with great upside and little chance to bust versus a rookie who command more money and would be a bigger risk.  As a bonus they stockpiled on picks. Good move!!

DaTruth

Excellent posting DaTruthPeople keep dismissing the other picks in this trade, and yet for what this draft lacks at the very top, it more than makes up for in its depth. Having those 2 6th rounders versus the 7th is akin to adding one, if not two, young players to add depth to your team that otherwise wouldn't have been there and/or would've cost more via veteran free agent acquisitions.

Thanks Wood. Those lower picks can add up if you have enough of them. I like having the flexibility to go after a player if he starts to slip. So far it seems like a good strategy, let's see how it plays out on draftday.DaTruth

 

[Twisted]

The Jets overpaid for him. Jolley isn't worth a first rounder and now the Jets have watered down their draft. Hats off to the Raiders for getting this done. They stole that first rounder from the Jets.

Ditto

 

[jcjets]

Are you kidding me?  This is horrible.  What the heck has jolley done to warrant giving up the first round pick and moving back to the second round?  Baker is just as good as Jolley.

At least the Jets wont pick yet another Dlineman as a first round selection.  Simply amazing to me, simply amazing.

So much for geting a CB..EVER!!

Relax - It's not a great deal, you'd hope they would have gotten the Raiders better pick....But, it's a good deal. The Jets didn't like who they were looking at with the 26th pick and will get a similar guy CHEAPER by moving back....

Jolley is signed CHEAP.....

This is the way you manage the cap.....

They've been targeting Jolley for a year now and feel he wasn't used properly....

Go to WFAN.com and listen to Bradway talk - He sounds like he's got a great grasp of this draft and what the teams goals are.

I'd rather give our second and third picks for Buchannon than make this deal. Not to mention I think that deal stinks too. I think teams need to build through the draft. I just don't see Jolley adding anything to the offense next year.You can't tell me Jolley was being pursued by many other teams. So making this deal now rather than on draft day is another problem I have with the jets organization lately. Why not wait to see who falls to the 26th pick before making the deal. Or at least see who is still on the board at pick #20 in case 2-3 players fall who you didn't expect to. Worse case scenario is the Raiders say no at that point and you draft someone - gee that would be horrible huh.

Of course we will never know who the Jets would have picked in the first round to compare if this deal is good or not.

 

[superbeck1]

Are you kidding me?  This is horrible.  What the heck has jolley done to warrant giving up the first round pick and moving back to the second round?  Baker is just as good as Jolley.

At least the Jets wont pick yet another Dlineman as a first round selection.  Simply amazing to me, simply amazing.

So much for geting a CB..EVER!!

Relax - It's not a great deal, you'd hope they would have gotten the Raiders better pick....But, it's a good deal. The Jets didn't like who they were looking at with the 26th pick and will get a similar guy CHEAPER by moving back....

Jolley is signed CHEAP.....

This is the way you manage the cap.....

They've been targeting Jolley for a year now and feel he wasn't used properly....

Go to WFAN.com and listen to Bradway talk - He sounds like he's got a great grasp of this draft and what the teams goals are.

I'd rather give our second and third picks for Buchannon than make this deal. Not to mention I think that deal stinks too. I think teams need to build through the draft. I just don't see Jolley adding anything to the offense next year.You can't tell me Jolley was being pursued by many other teams. So making this deal now rather than on draft day is another problem I have with the jets organization lately. Why not wait to see who falls to the 26th pick before making the deal. Or at least see who is still on the board at pick #20 in case 2-3 players fall who you didn't expect to. Worse case scenario is the Raiders say no at that point and you draft someone - gee that would be horrible huh.

Of course we will never know who the Jets would have picked in the first round to compare if this deal is good or not.

Something to think about here. It's not like we traded for Jolley with the first pick alone. We received three more picks. You can keep Buchannon for those picks. He is hurt too often.Keep in mind, Jolley does not have to put the offense on his shoulders. The TE spot was not keeping us back from the SB. And I can tell you without a doubt there was nobody at the bottom of the first round that was gonna change the direction of this franchise.

And why not wait until draft day? cause you only get 15 minutes to make that pick. Talk about pressure in trying to find a trading partner.

And with today's cap it is very hard to "build through the draft" You tie up significant cap money in a few core players whose window of playability could be small. You need to group your teams and makes runs at championships.

and it was the 26th pick in the first round. It's not like it was a top 10 or even 15 pick. The drop off from 15 to 32 is significant.

 

[Klecko HOF]

Are you kidding me?  This is horrible.  What the heck has jolley done to warrant giving up the first round pick and moving back to the second round?  Baker is just as good as Jolley.

At least the Jets wont pick yet another Dlineman as a first round selection.  Simply amazing to me, simply amazing.

So much for geting a CB..EVER!!

Relax - It's not a great deal, you'd hope they would have gotten the Raiders better pick....But, it's a good deal. The Jets didn't like who they were looking at with the 26th pick and will get a similar guy CHEAPER by moving back....

Jolley is signed CHEAP.....

This is the way you manage the cap.....

They've been targeting Jolley for a year now and feel he wasn't used properly....

Go to WFAN.com and listen to Bradway talk - He sounds like he's got a great grasp of this draft and what the teams goals are.

I'd rather give our second and third picks for Buchannon than make this deal. Not to mention I think that deal stinks too. I think teams need to build through the draft. I just don't see Jolley adding anything to the offense next year.You can't tell me Jolley was being pursued by many other teams. So making this deal now rather than on draft day is another problem I have with the jets organization lately. Why not wait to see who falls to the 26th pick before making the deal. Or at least see who is still on the board at pick #20 in case 2-3 players fall who you didn't expect to. Worse case scenario is the Raiders say no at that point and you draft someone - gee that would be horrible huh.

Of course we will never know who the Jets would have picked in the first round to compare if this deal is good or not.

Something to think about here. It's not like we traded for Jolley with the first pick alone. We received three more picks. You can keep Buchannon for those picks. He is hurt too often.Keep in mind, Jolley does not have to put the offense on his shoulders. The TE spot was not keeping us back from the SB. And I can tell you without a doubt there was nobody at the bottom of the first round that was gonna change the direction of this franchise.

And why not wait until draft day? cause you only get 15 minutes to make that pick. Talk about pressure in trying to find a trading partner.

And with today's cap it is very hard to "build through the draft" You tie up significant cap money in a few core players whose window of playability could be small. You need to group your teams and makes runs at championships.

and it was the 26th pick in the first round. It's not like it was a top 10 or even 15 pick. The drop off from 15 to 32 is significant.

Good points. Keep in mind that the Jets also tried to trade for Jolley since LAST YEAR. Bradway has had his eye on this guy for over one year. Also, yes, the Jets very well could have waited until the June 1st cuts to acquire Jolley, but then they would have gotten into a bidding war with a bunch of other teams. Here, the Jets get the man they want, at a very cap friendly deal, and he also gets acquainted with the coaching staff, players and playbook that much sooner.

The Jets also avoid giving Jolley a signing bonus which further helps them sign other players.

Had the Jets not traded the #1 to Oakland, they would have to draft one at #26 or a bigger question mark in round two. Heath Miller goes at #26, and the Jets now have to fill needs at DT, CB, PK, and add depth with their remaining picks.

With Jolley in tow, the Jets can now address DT with guys like Luis Castillo, CJ Mosely, Mike Patterson, etc. At corner? Fabian Washington, Stanley Wilson, Marlin Jackson, etc are all possibilites.

It was a good trade for both teams, but imho, NY should ahve gotten the #38 instead of the #47.

 

[jurb26]

Very happy Jolley owner here.