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Jets trade TE Jolley to Bucs

Written by: Rich Cimini ¦ 8/31/2006

Source: blogs.nydailynews.com

To no one's surprise, the Jets have traded tight end Doug Jolley, a major disappointment. They dealt him to the Bucs this morning for an undisclosed draft pick.

The Bucs were among at least three teams to express interest. A deal became imminent late Wednesday night. To replace Jolley, the Jets acquired Sean Ryan in a trade with the Cowboys for an undisclosed draft pick.

http://blogs.nydailynews.com

 
Alex Smith takes a hit I think...they must be ready to run a 2TE formation part of the time...Jolley and Smith at TE...Clayton and Galloway at FL and SE, Simms is gonna have a lot of targets to throw to. Bucs are not going to run on everyone they face, will need to stretch the defense with the pass.

 
Given that Becht has started all the preseason games, and Alex Smith was no where to be seen most games, what does this say for Alex Smith's value?

 
Otis said:
Why are the Bucs trading for a TE who can't block?
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An 'undisclosed draft pick'.Which won't be a first rounder like the Jets uynwisely paid. :bag: from kffl
Buccaneers | Team acquires D. JolleyThu, 31 Aug 2006 11:30:48 -0700The New York Jets announced they have traded TE Doug Jolley to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for an undisclosed draft pick.
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Otis said:
Why are the Bucs trading for a TE who can't block?
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Gruden loves the pass catching TE's. Too bad he can't catch either.Funny that Gruden trades for this guy when he had him in OAK. Maybe he knows something everyone else doesn't?
 
NoFBinLA said:
An 'undisclosed draft pick'.Which won't be a first rounder like the Jets uynwisely paid. :bag:
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This is completely false. The Jets moved down from the late first to early second and got miller with the pick. Some believe they were targeting Miller with that pick anyway.The trade was 1st for 2nd/Jolley.
 
perry147 said:
Patoons said:
Otis said:
Why are the Bucs trading for a TE who can't block?
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Gruden loves the pass catching TE's. Too bad he can't catch either.Funny that Gruden trades for this guy when he had him in OAK. Maybe he knows something everyone else doesn't?
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Indeed he might but DJ has never scored more than 2 TD in a season.
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Jolley was a solid up and comer in Oak under Gruden. Maybe he can return to form...
 
CRAP! I saw it on CBS Sportsline and they had under his notes that they waived him so I waived him too... anyway I just picked him up a few seconds ago. Thank God non of my fellow league owners didnt catch my blunder of last week.

 
Romulan said:
Who will be their receiving TE now? I could have sworn they waived Baker...
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Praise for Baker
Mangini has been praising individual players all week and yesterday lauded TE Chris Baker and DE/LB Bryan Thomas. Thomas, who has one sack and nine tackles in three preseason games, "has made some good progress ... playing multiple positions and learning a lot of new information," according to Mangini, who said Thomas' "approach to learning the information, and his technique, has all been real encouraging."

"My approach has been going out there, working hard, trying to learn the scheme of the defense, and just get better each day," Thomas said when informed of Mangini's comments.

Baker, who was cited for his work in the running game and "things he's doing in the passing game and ... his approach overall," also took Mangini's comments in stride.

"I've been working hard and trying to get as much accomplished in this camp as I could," Baker said. "I guess he's acknowledged that. I appreciate him doing that."
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Romulan said:
CRAP! I saw it on CBS Sportsline and they had under his notes that they waived him so I waived him too... anyway I just picked him up a few seconds ago. Thank God non of my fellow league owners didnt catch my blunder of last week.
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Dropping him was not a blunder.
 
mhrutkowski said:
Patoons said:
NoFBinLA said:
An 'undisclosed draft pick'.Which won't be a first rounder like the Jets uynwisely paid. :bag:
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This is completely false. The Jets moved down from the late first to early second and got miller with the pick. Some believe they were targeting Miller with that pick anyway.The trade was 1st for 2nd/Jolley.
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A low 1st for a high 2nd, even. moved down about 8 spots
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The Jets acquired Doug Jolley from Oakland on Thursday in exchange for their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft. The deal, agreed upon Wednesday night, was completed when Jolley passed his physical Thursday morning. Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
 
diesel7982 said:
Given that Becht has started all the preseason games, and Alex Smith was no where to be seen most games, what does this say for Alex Smith's value?
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it ain't good. weird, i thought they were high on Smith.
August 24, 2006, 13:04 Buccaneers :: TEHC Gruden Raises Bar For TE SmithStephen F. Holder, St. Petersburg Times - [Full Article]By all accounts, 2nd-year tight end Alex Smith had a successful rookie campaign in 2005 for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, scoring two touchdowns in his NFL debut, and finishing third in receptions amongst rookies. Head coach Jon Gruden took notice and is raising his expectations for Smith this year. "I'm not into how many balls did you catch," Gruden said. "We're going to ask our tight ends to block the Simeon Rices, the (Julius) Peppers, the (Mike) Ruckers, to pass protect. Running routes and catching balls is certainly part of it, and he can do all that stuff. But I want to see him be great. I consider him a talent, but we'll have to find out how much talent he has."
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Anyone that has watched the Bucs and lives in the area can tell you that TE A Smith is our future and there is no way Joley becomes our receiving TE.

 
Romulan said:
Anyone that has watched the Bucs and lives in the area can tell you that TE A Smith is our future and there is no way Joley becomes our receiving TE.
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Can you explain why Becht has started every game this year, and Smith has been non-existent this preseason? Hes barely been on the field.
 
diesel7982 said:
Romulan said:
Anyone that has watched the Bucs and lives in the area can tell you that TE A Smith is our future and there is no way Joley becomes our receiving TE.
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Can you explain why Becht has started every game this year, and Smith has been non-existent this preseason? Hes barely been on the field.
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check his signature ..... TE: Alge Crumpler, Alex SmithThe best choice of reasoning in the pool ... MY TEAM
 
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NYRAGE said:
mhrutkowski said:
Patoons said:
NoFBinLA said:
An 'undisclosed draft pick'.Which won't be a first rounder like the Jets uynwisely paid. :bag:
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This is completely false. The Jets moved down from the late first to early second and got miller with the pick. Some believe they were targeting Miller with that pick anyway.The trade was 1st for 2nd/Jolley.
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A low 1st for a high 2nd, even. moved down about 8 spots
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The Jets acquired Doug Jolley from Oakland on Thursday in exchange for their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft. The deal, agreed upon Wednesday night, was completed when Jolley passed his physical Thursday morning. Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
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yup, hardly the jolley for a 1st crap we always hear about
 
mhrutkowski said:
Patoons said:
NoFBinLA said:
An 'undisclosed draft pick'.Which won't be a first rounder like the Jets uynwisely paid. :bag:
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This is completely false. The Jets moved down from the late first to early second and got miller with the pick. Some believe they were targeting Miller with that pick anyway.The trade was 1st for 2nd/Jolley.
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A low 1st for a high 2nd, even. moved down about 8 spots
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The Jets acquired Doug Jolley from Oakland on Thursday in exchange for their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft. The deal, agreed upon Wednesday night, was completed when Jolley passed his physical Thursday morning. Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
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Ah. Thanks for the correction fellas. Forgot the move to the second. Still, didn't exactly work out - well Jolley at least.
 
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mhrutkowski said:
NYRAGE said:
mhrutkowski said:
Patoons said:
NoFBinLA said:
An 'undisclosed draft pick'.Which won't be a first rounder like the Jets uynwisely paid. :bag:
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This is completely false. The Jets moved down from the late first to early second and got miller with the pick. Some believe they were targeting Miller with that pick anyway.The trade was 1st for 2nd/Jolley.
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A low 1st for a high 2nd, even. moved down about 8 spots
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The Jets acquired Doug Jolley from Oakland on Thursday in exchange for their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft. The deal, agreed upon Wednesday night, was completed when Jolley passed his physical Thursday morning. Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
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yup, hardly the jolley for a 1st crap we always hear about
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Raiders get: Fabian Washington (traded Jets #26 [Chris Spencer] and #105 [Ray Willis])Jets get: Doug Jolley, Mike Nugent (Raiders #47), Cedric Houston (Raiders #182), and traded the Raiders #185 to move up in the 4th to get Kerry Rhodes.
 
Jolley had a chance to stick with the Jets, but he screwed up plenty in that game against the Giants. I swear this is the truth.... Jolley had the best hands on the Jets in TC.... it's true. He just never did it in games. He can't block... and if you can't block, you have better be a darned good reciever, and is yet to prove he is... in real games.

 
Maybe I can clear up some of the inaccurate info in here.

First, Anthony Becht starting all of last year means nothing. I don't have the % of snaps played, but rest assured Smith was up there with Becht, especially when you consider targets and passes caught. Becht is the blocking TD, nothing more, nothing less.

That leads me to my second point -- Gruden plays two tight ends all the time. MOP -- He did it a lot last year. He's going to do it this year, for a few reasons. 1) His tackles are pretty bad in pass protection, maybe the worst in the league. He needs tight ends to chip in and help out. 2) It's a formation he's come to like, especially when he has guys who can get down the seams to make plays. Hence, the Jolley trade.

Finally, I thought people here knew better than to look to preseason stats to determine a situation. Alex Smith not playing a lot means about as much as Caddy and Galloway not playing a lot. The man has a spot at TE on this team for a looooooong time.

Jolley was brought in to add depth. As much as the Bucs use two tight end sets, they couldn't go into the season with two tight ends, and the guys they brought in and drafted didn't work out.

Don't spend any more time looking into this than necessary.

 
Rovers said:
Jolley had a chance to stick with the Jets, but he screwed up plenty in that game against the Giants. I swear this is the truth.... Jolley had the best hands on the Jets in TC.... it's true. He just never did it in games. He can't block... and if you can't block, you have better be a darned good reciever, and is yet to prove he is... in real games.
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Yup, I tried letting people know that and they looked at my sig and though I was just saying it because I have him in one of my teams. actually I wish I could pick up A Smith in my other teams as I think Gruden plans to use him A LOT more in the passing game this year. Thanks for elaborating Capella!GO BUCS!
 
Capella said:
Maybe I can clear up some of the inaccurate info in here.

First, Anthony Becht starting all of last year means nothing. I don't have the % of snaps played, but rest assured Smith was up there with Becht, especially when you consider targets and passes caught. Becht is the blocking TD, nothing more, nothing less.

That leads me to my second point -- Gruden plays two tight ends all the time. MOP -- He did it a lot last year. He's going to do it this year, for a few reasons. 1) His tackles are pretty bad in pass protection, maybe the worst in the league. He needs tight ends to chip in and help out. 2) It's a formation he's come to like, especially when he has guys who can get down the seams to make plays. Hence, the Jolley trade.

Finally, I thought people here knew better than to look to preseason stats to determine a situation. Alex Smith not playing a lot means about as much as Caddy and Galloway not playing a lot. The man has a spot at TE on this team for a looooooong time.

Jolley was brought in to add depth. As much as the Bucs use two tight end sets, they couldn't go into the season with two tight ends, and the guys they brought in and drafted didn't work out.

Don't spend any more time looking into this than necessary.
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Cappy, I dont necessarily disagree, but a RB who will touch the ball 400 times if healthy, and a 34 yr old WR, are a different case than a 2nd year TE with 40 career receptions.

Smith being uninvolved is of some cause for questioning here. Not concerned, but it is a curious situation.

 
diesel7982 said:
Capella said:
Maybe I can clear up some of the inaccurate info in here.

First, Anthony Becht starting all of last year means nothing. I don't have the % of snaps played, but rest assured Smith was up there with Becht, especially when you consider targets and passes caught. Becht is the blocking TD, nothing more, nothing less.

That leads me to my second point -- Gruden plays two tight ends all the time. MOP -- He did it a lot last year. He's going to do it this year, for a few reasons. 1) His tackles are pretty bad in pass protection, maybe the worst in the league. He needs tight ends to chip in and help out. 2) It's a formation he's come to like, especially when he has guys who can get down the seams to make plays. Hence, the Jolley trade.

Finally, I thought people here knew better than to look to preseason stats to determine a situation. Alex Smith not playing a lot means about as much as Caddy and Galloway not playing a lot. The man has a spot at TE on this team for a looooooong time.

Jolley was brought in to add depth. As much as the Bucs use two tight end sets, they couldn't go into the season with two tight ends, and the guys they brought in and drafted didn't work out.

Don't spend any more time looking into this than necessary.
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Cappy, I dont necessarily disagree, but a RB who will touch the ball 400 times if healthy, and a 34 yr old WR, are a different case than a 2nd year TE with 40 career receptions.

Smith being uninvolved is of some cause for questioning here. Not concerned, but it is a curious situation.
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Don't know what to tell you man. It's a complete non-issue. Do with it what you want.
 
Capella said:
diesel7982 said:
Capella said:
Maybe I can clear up some of the inaccurate info in here.

First, Anthony Becht starting all of last year means nothing. I don't have the % of snaps played, but rest assured Smith was up there with Becht, especially when you consider targets and passes caught. Becht is the blocking TD, nothing more, nothing less.

That leads me to my second point -- Gruden plays two tight ends all the time. MOP -- He did it a lot last year. He's going to do it this year, for a few reasons. 1) His tackles are pretty bad in pass protection, maybe the worst in the league. He needs tight ends to chip in and help out. 2) It's a formation he's come to like, especially when he has guys who can get down the seams to make plays. Hence, the Jolley trade.

Finally, I thought people here knew better than to look to preseason stats to determine a situation. Alex Smith not playing a lot means about as much as Caddy and Galloway not playing a lot. The man has a spot at TE on this team for a looooooong time.

Jolley was brought in to add depth. As much as the Bucs use two tight end sets, they couldn't go into the season with two tight ends, and the guys they brought in and drafted didn't work out.

Don't spend any more time looking into this than necessary.
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Cappy, I dont necessarily disagree, but a RB who will touch the ball 400 times if healthy, and a 34 yr old WR, are a different case than a 2nd year TE with 40 career receptions.

Smith being uninvolved is of some cause for questioning here. Not concerned, but it is a curious situation.
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Don't know what to tell you man. It's a complete non-issue. Do with it what you want.
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:goodposting: , thanks
 
NYRAGE said:
The Jets acquired Doug Jolley from Oakland on Thursday in exchange for their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft. The deal, agreed upon Wednesday night, was completed when Jolley passed his physical Thursday morning. Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.

New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
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According to one pick value chart:#47 = 430

#182 = 19.6

#185 = 18.4

SUBTOTAL = 468

#26 = 700

7th rounder = about 8

So Jolley was worth about 708 - 468 = 240 points, which is a high third-round pick.

Either way, it was a bad deal for the Jets.

 
abrecher said:
NYRAGE said:
The Jets acquired Doug Jolley from Oakland on Thursday in exchange for their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft. The deal, agreed upon Wednesday night, was completed when Jolley passed his physical Thursday morning. Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.

New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
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According to one pick value chart:#47 = 430

#182 = 19.6

#185 = 18.4

SUBTOTAL = 468

#26 = 700

7th rounder = about 8

So Jolley was worth about 708 - 468 = 240 points, which is a high third-round pick.

Either way, it was a bad deal for the Jets.
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definitely a poor deal by the prior GM, but not the first rounder for Jolley that you routinely hear about
 
All the Buc's really have at TE is Smith, and Becht. For an O like the Buc's, that uses a 2 TE set, this is not nearlly enough depth. If we have an injury to one of these guys I beliebve we are looking at 2nd day pick Toim Masoquo (sp?), and Dave Moore.

This is a great move by the Buc's. :yes: If Becht and Smith stay healthy, he probably wont see any action, and we will get him for a steal. If an emergency happens, and we need him we will have to give up a higher draft pick.

 
abrecher said:
NYRAGE said:
The Jets acquired Doug Jolley from Oakland on Thursday in exchange for their first-round pick in Saturday's NFL draft. The deal, agreed upon Wednesday night, was completed when Jolley passed his physical Thursday morning. Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.

New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
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According to one pick value chart:#47 = 430

#182 = 19.6

#185 = 18.4

SUBTOTAL = 468

#26 = 700

7th rounder = about 8

So Jolley was worth about 708 - 468 = 240 points, which is a high third-round pick.

Either way, it was a bad deal for the Jets.
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Of course, in that year, everyone was saying how picks 10-50 were all grading out very similar. The true value for #26 was probably a bit lower, and the value for #47 was a bit higher. Let's say then that Jolley was worth a late 3rd roudner. That's not a bad price ot pay for a starting TE with receiving ability. Sadly, Jolley didn't fulfill even those expectations, but ti makes the trade much more reasonable on its face.
 
Capella said:
diesel7982 said:
Capella said:
Maybe I can clear up some of the inaccurate info in here.

First, Anthony Becht starting all of last year means nothing. I don't have the % of snaps played, but rest assured Smith was up there with Becht, especially when you consider targets and passes caught. Becht is the blocking TD, nothing more, nothing less.

That leads me to my second point -- Gruden plays two tight ends all the time. MOP -- He did it a lot last year. He's going to do it this year, for a few reasons. 1) His tackles are pretty bad in pass protection, maybe the worst in the league. He needs tight ends to chip in and help out. 2) It's a formation he's come to like, especially when he has guys who can get down the seams to make plays. Hence, the Jolley trade.

Finally, I thought people here knew better than to look to preseason stats to determine a situation. Alex Smith not playing a lot means about as much as Caddy and Galloway not playing a lot. The man has a spot at TE on this team for a looooooong time.

Jolley was brought in to add depth. As much as the Bucs use two tight end sets, they couldn't go into the season with two tight ends, and the guys they brought in and drafted didn't work out.

Don't spend any more time looking into this than necessary.
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Cappy, I dont necessarily disagree, but a RB who will touch the ball 400 times if healthy, and a 34 yr old WR, are a different case than a 2nd year TE with 40 career receptions.

Smith being uninvolved is of some cause for questioning here. Not concerned, but it is a curious situation.
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Don't know what to tell you man. It's a complete non-issue. Do with it what you want.
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thanks Cap :thumbup:
 
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