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Jimmy Clausen (1 Viewer)
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
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He looks better than Bulger. Not really a compliment I guess.
loose circuits
Footballguy
I haven't really seen anything all that great. Granted I'm a little behind on the DVR cause I paused to watch New England. Seen him make some dangerous throws into traffic. Kenny Moore bailed him out on one
jurb26
Footballguy
Clausen over Bradford, sure. Now way over Stafford.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Clausen is Stafford with accuracy.
jurb26
Footballguy
Young QBs make dangerous throws. It's to be expected. I didn't think either throw was all that dangerous though. He placed that one to Moore in a great spot. Moore had to make a great play to catch it because it was good coverage and it was place in about the only spot that it could be so the defender couldn't pick it and Moore still had a shot at it. The guy is fearless in the pocket and the rush doesn't seem to affect him. His footwork is fantastic and he is making his reads. I see lots to be excited about even though it is just one preseason game. His arm looks pretty live too.
Football Jones
Footballguy
He's not the prospect Bradford is, but Clausen is underrated in dynasty circles. You can tell the foot is still bothering him, & I don't believe they'll start him until he's 100%, but Clausen is an NFL QB. I expect big things from this kid in time.
fsufan
Footballguy
i thought Minny should of taken clausen at the end of the first round. Brett is not going to play forevershredhead said:I was just watching that last series thinking to myself that he was on the board when the Broncos took Tebow..........This guy is looking pretty good in his 1st preseason action.
............Josh McDaniels is not my favorite person.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Can you elaborate on this? I have not heard anything that this is a problem as of right now.
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Insoxicated
I HATE this kid (UT Vol fan who saw him piping up against the Vols about how they ruined his brothers careers) but he's looking like a vet out there. Great footwork. Good zip on the pall. Nice placement. Good checkdowns.
We have to remember he's playing the Ravens defense in the rain too... this is a rough test for him IMO.
We have to remember he's playing the Ravens defense in the rain too... this is a rough test for him IMO.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I believe he had surgery in January from an injury he sustained his senior year. I think they re-attached a toe ligament or something.It's not an obvious limp, but you can tell he's moving a little gingerly at times. Clausen said it was a little sore & the announcers said they could tell it was bothering him in pregame warmups. It's just a matter of time until it heals properly. There's been no problems in his rehab.
BTW, I have Clausen in quite a few dynasty leagues & was higher on him than most. I like what I see. A scrapper with talent. Clausen is a keeper, IMO.
loose circuits
Footballguy
We have to remember he's playing the Ravens defense in the rain too... this is a rough test for him IMO.
there isn't a more beat up secondary in the league
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
He looked pretty good in his first appearance, you have to give him that. I thought he made a couple of good throws. The first long one, the one where it was slightly high and behind was more of a great catch imo. We've seen those kind of balls also be tipped and then the safety behind him is in line for an easy INT. That one happened to be caught so it was a great play rather than the other way around.
There was also a screen play where he threw left against his body into a sea of purple. It landed in a Carolina uniform and turned out to be a productive play.
The INT wasn't Clausen's fault. The Carolina receiver wasn't really open but he did fall down right as he threw it and the Baltimore Dback was the only one standing and it was an easy INT for him. For the most part, Clausen looked more comfortable in the pocket than I expected.
It was his first preseason game so we obviously need to see a lot more out of him but he's got some potential. If he continues to improve, I don't see how he doesn't push Moore out of his job by the end of the season.
There was also a screen play where he threw left against his body into a sea of purple. It landed in a Carolina uniform and turned out to be a productive play.
The INT wasn't Clausen's fault. The Carolina receiver wasn't really open but he did fall down right as he threw it and the Baltimore Dback was the only one standing and it was an easy INT for him. For the most part, Clausen looked more comfortable in the pocket than I expected.
It was his first preseason game so we obviously need to see a lot more out of him but he's got some potential. If he continues to improve, I don't see how he doesn't push Moore out of his job by the end of the season.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
I'd have to disagree with this. Balt did come after him, just not every single down. I thought he did a great job of recognizing all of the blitz and making the proper read. Clausen has the innate ability to move in the pocket effortlessly IMO. You just can't teach that. Sure you can teach the footwork portion of it but that is a small piece and the fact that he has the footwork down is a great thing this early in his career. It's mostly mental. He made the rush look less effective than it really was. He slid/moved around the pocket well to limit it's impact on him and knew when to check it down for the most part. I really came away impressed with that part of his game and the fact that he was making an effort to go through his reads and checked down when he had too. It was just one game but I like what I saw and I think Car got a steal drafting him in the 2nd round.Tango said:
I came away impressed as well. For his first NFL action, he just looked like he knew what he was doing. Call it a feel for the game or whatever you want. That said, let's not overreact. It's a bit silly to say that he is better than Stafford or Bradford based only on how he looked in his first preseason game. It was a nice start and Carolina fans should be optimistic right now....but lots of crap qbs have looked good in short spurts, even in real games. Rob Johnson, Kelly Holcomb, Derek Anderson...they all looked pretty good at one time in actual NFL regular season games. Let's not anoint Clausen the best young qb in the game just yet. He looked good last night, but he still has a long way to go before he really proves himself a good NFL qb.
GregR_2
Footballguy
He was diagnosed with a turf toe but later they found out he tore two tendons, and so he had the aforementioned surgery to reattach them.Gruden said during the game broadcast that he could tell during the pregame warmup that Clausen was favoring his one foot whenever he'd make any kind of pass on the move. And that Clausen told him it was still painful, that moving on it hurt like walking barefoot on rocks.
As far as his performance, Keyshawn summed up what I was thinking while I watched. He said to the effect that Clausen didn't look like a rookie, he looked like a guy with NFL experience who was comfortable out there. Gruden mentioned he made some good checks to runs, and there was one play in particular I recall where he identified the safety blitz that was coming and got the line's protection adjusted before the snap.
I think he had quite a bit of pressure on him from the pass rush. He showed some pocket presence, though I think the heat definitely affected his performance. He didn't throw as much downfield as I'd have liked, but he frequently had guys breathing down his neck. When he did get pressure, he was decent at eluding it and at getting the ball out to the checkdown back. But he did make that risky throw on the screen.
I am not alluding to the fact that Gruden may be showing favortism to Clausen, but was Clausen the QB he came away liking the most when he did his training/film room in the Pre-Draft series?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I thought Clausen looked good as well. His seam pass to Rosario was threading a needle. He checked out of a couple of plays to what seemed like better ones and identified the hot receiver on a safety blitz (missed him, but I think it was a combination underthrow/receiver not cutting off the route early enough). I agree that it is early to make a full judgment, but early returns looking good for a 2nd round pick.
I hope Armanti Edwards gets his act together, because he looked bad.
I hope Armanti Edwards gets his act together, because he looked bad.
joffer
Footballguy
well that settles it.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I saw that. That was a bad decision. Threw across his body and got lucky. He also threw one up where Moore saved him and a little later threw it almost into the chest of a D-Lineman.I'm the biggest Clausen fan out there but I think he made some bad decisions last night. That being said, it was his fist action against guys trying to tackle him who wear different colors. Making a couple bad decisions is expected. I say that it was a positive first game for him.Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
GregR_2
Footballguy
I don't recall which QB Gruden liked the most pre-draft. I know that film room thing and what to read from it was hotly debated in the Shark Pool.In the context of comments I mentioned from this particular preseason game, I don't think it was a case of Gruden just talking up a favorite. Most of the things that he pointed out were things I noticed on my own (and I'm far from an NFL coach). Spotting the safety blitz (which incidentally was coming from a former ND teammate, Tom Zbikowski), the number of adjustments he made from reading the defense. Checking out of plays to runs that netted 7-8 yards.
One of the announcers, don't recall which, mentioned that starter Matt Moore made the comment to them that in their meetings, Clausen is asking questions that Moore would never have thought of to ask as a rookie.
Gruden seems to always have positive things to say about people in general, so it's kind of hard to tell how much stock to give what he says. A lack of something positive said about a player would probably be a lot more telling than would a positive comment. But I think anyone who watched the game would agree with most of his comments... and the other commentators (Jaws, Keyshawn at half-time, etc) were saying similar things. He didn't look like a rookie out there. He had a play to the tight end where Clausen led him open rather than him being open when the pass was thrown. I'd say he showed more poise in the pocket than Troy Smith who has been in the league for a couple of years now. (Though in his defense, Troy Smith was getting even more pressure than Clausen... the rookie DE for the Panthers, forget his name, looked great at least against the second string O-line.)
I don't know if Clausen will be a good NFL QB or not, but I'd walk away from the game with a slightly improved opinion of him at least.
Giants4Life
Footballguy
Its preseason. The end
I am a Clausen supporter and while he may have looked good against the Raven's Defense, this isn't "your father's Ravens' defense". This is a mini-hi-jack, but i think teams will have much better success than in the past against this defense. What does this mean for Clausen? A good fist outing and all that we hoped hew would be. i would like to see another game or two though, before i decide whether Moore is on borrowed time this year versus 2011.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I am going to grow tired of this comment as we go through the preseason.Sure it is preseason, and everything needs to be taken in context, but preseason is often some of the only times we may see prospects and their future potential going forward and it can help make decisions in dynasty drafts.Now Claussen was graded by many as a first round pick. He had a productive college campaign. He slides in the draft and ends up goign to a very good situation as his only competition from being a franchise qb rests on an unproven Moore. So when he plays his frist preseason game and comes in second it shows he is already ahead of Cantwell as the QB 2. He then goes onto look quite comfortable in his first start, and although he made some mistakes, it is rather encouraging to see how well he played even if it is only preseason.
Tell that to the guys would touted Boldin and Colsten around here based on pre-season performance. Stephan Davis pre-season performance netted me a nice 20th rd starting RB a few years ago. Kerry Colbert's lack of separation in pre-season made it clear that he was being over-hyped in his second year.Quick tip for you...if you want to improved your ff base knowledge, pay attention to the guys with member numbers smaller than yours.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Pretty good post up until this point. A low member number doesn't mean ####. I see all kinds of absurdity coming from three digit member numbers all the time. Your last line would be a prime example of that... And only one guy touted Boldin. That was Switz. He may be a silly little fella but he nailed that one and got ridiculed by everyone when he made the prediction...
He just joined...in other words, pay attention to everyone. I only phased it differently to see who might get their panties in a bunch.
hoopvillian
Footballguy
Nothing to add except I really dislike Notre Dame and hope he falls flat on his face when given the chance to play in a real game.
A quick tip, the member number is not based on knowledge, just on when you joined the forum, if you did not know that.Also of course some good players will have good preseasons, but so will some bad ones and all of the ones inbetween. Somewhere someone will have an opinion about every player, some are bound to be correct, but not enough to predict anything with any significance. I am not saying Clausen will be good or bad, he could be the next Joe Montana, or he could be the next Ryan Leaf, but looking decent in the preseason does not have that strong of a correlation with looking good over a long period of time during the normal season.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Was just about to post the same...
You're not helping your argument very well. July 25, 2009 doesn't qualify as just joined. One of my biggest gripes about this awesome website is how much importance some members put in member number. Member number doesn't mean squat, I can learn from the guys that have been here since the beginning, and I can learn from the guy who is going to join tomorrow. I wish Joe and David would just nix the member numbers, they are more trouble than they are worth. I joined this site once, and forgot my password, so I rejoined. That means my member number is now higher than it used to be, whoopity freaking doo!
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I don't buy it. 4 Digiters are far too intelligent to lose passwordsshredhead said:You're not helping your argument very well. July 25, 2009 doesn't qualify as just joined. One of my biggest gripes about this awesome website is how much importance some members put in member number. Member number doesn't mean squat, I can learn from the guys that have been here since the beginning, and I can learn from the guy who is going to join tomorrow. I wish Joe and David would just nix the member numbers, they are more trouble than they are worth. I joined this site once, and forgot my password, so I rejoined. That means my member number is now higher than it used to be, whoopity freaking doo!BassNBrew said:TheFanatic said:
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VaTerp
Footballguy
I agree with this assessment.I have never been impressed with Stafford and have not really seen anything to make me believe he will be anything more than an average NFL QB. Kiper and Co. rave about his arm strength and a lot of people seem to have been sold on him b/c of the TD he threw with a bum left shoulder last year but I don't see it.Clausen, on the other hand, has grown on me over time. I lived in walking distance to Notre Dame Stadium from 06' to 09' and got a good look at him as a college QB. I think he's a bit of a ##### and really have a disdain for ND in general. But the more I watched him play the more I saw a QB who was accurate, gave his WRs a chance to make plays, and made a lot of plays himself. Obviously I wouldnt expect a lot from him this year and doubt he will even start more than a handful of games this year but long term I think that in the right situation, which Carolina appears to be, Clausen will be a better than average pro QB and I would certainly take him over Stafford right now.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
In a few years when Stafford is out of the league you won't be laughing.
Sopranos25
Footballguy
The shotgun saved him. Did Moore get the shotgun ,no. The O line for Car pass blocking is bad really bad bottom 3. You sharks know this come on
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Shotgun or not, Clausen did a MUCH better job of feeling the pressure coming and getting the ball off. Moore had no idea he was even under pressure until he was on the ground.
Sopranos25
Footballguy
Cant say or not. 1 sec. to 4 sec. is forever. he did look good. but it was not a level playing field. IMO Moore is the better option for a playoff team
PewterFan
Footballguy
No it's not. The better you are at FF, the lower your number. I used to be a 3-digit member until I missed the playoffs in a few leagues last year. Now look where I'm at. Joe Bryant, David Dodds, Ministry of Pain, all low numbers. They constantly win. You and I don't, hence the big number.Just listen to the 3-digit members and you'll eventully become one of 'em. Pretty simple concept.huthut said:
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
In a few years when Stafford is out of the league you won't be laughing.
Just stop it. You're just making a fool of yourself. It's cool that you like Claussen more than Stafford, but stuff like this just continues to malke me wonder why I even come to this site still. Many on this board need to keep their egos in check.
PewterFan
Footballguy
David Carr, Rex Grossman and A.J. Feeley are still in the league. My money is on Stafford sticking around.In a few years when Stafford is out of the league you won't be laughing.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I'm late to this thread on Jimmy Clausen.
Let me flat out state that Clausen overtakes Moore by midseason and doesn't look back. He's a natural on the field, and his character concerns are more in the vein of a Phillip Rivers than a Ryan Leaf type personality. He will excel and I think will have a better rookie year than Sam Bradford after all the stats are piled up.
Some experts have responded to my Clausen optimism with
But if you got a Clausen bandwagon, please let me on it. He's going to be good. Real good.
Let me flat out state that Clausen overtakes Moore by midseason and doesn't look back. He's a natural on the field, and his character concerns are more in the vein of a Phillip Rivers than a Ryan Leaf type personality. He will excel and I think will have a better rookie year than Sam Bradford after all the stats are piled up.
Some experts have responded to my Clausen optimism with
But if you got a Clausen bandwagon, please let me on it. He's going to be good. Real good.
