Jimmy Clausen (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

As a Clausen owner in dynasty I think it is important to start gauging his value going forward. Fox and company is walking on thin ice which makes Clausen situation even more unclear in dynasty as we don't know what or how a new regime will work.

Clausen does have talent and the ability to be a starter in the NFL, but what can we make of it. His first game as a starter was a bit of a shocking performance as a whole, but it is not time to panic at all. What does the FBG forum feel about him at this stage?

 

[packersfan]

What did you find shocking about it? He faced a solid defense, has only one WR to throw to and the Panthers' playcalling has been horrendous the entire season. I'm surprised he didn't do worse.

 

[solorca]

He's definitely going to have a steep learning curve. No one respects the pass in Carolina, so they are keying in on the run. Even when Clausen actually is in a position to pass, Steve Smith is double covered and no one else on the team seems to have the ability to catch the ball or find any seperation to get open.

Clausen also has a major issue with handling the snap. He struggled with it constantly throughout training camp, the preseason, and during his first start yesterday. I doubt he'll be benched, but there is a possibility that he may have over a dozen fumbles during the course of the season if he doesn't improve on that.

Short term, I think he's probably in the bottom 2-3 quarterbacks in the league, and he isn't going to go much higher. Long term, I think he has a possibility to be a top 15 guy, but I think his ceiling is at about the current Eli Manning or Matt Ryan level. To be honest, I have seen almost nothing out of him that suggests to me that he is going to be a star in the NFL. Everytime the media or fans gushed over his "football IQ" or decent plays in the preseason/practice, I didn't see that much to be thrilled about.

Overall, I think he has the ability to be a solid, middle of the road QB. I think I would happy with that.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Good start to the thread.

Also, the shocking part of his first game was he attempted only 5 passes in the first half, connecting on 1 of them and having a fumble and interception in that time frame.

I happen to think that Carolina is being far to conservative. Let him play and make mistakes, and this waffling on maybe not starting him or starting him is silly. Fox should just say we feel the rook is going to play and we are going to grow as a team and rally around him and his strenghts. Rookie QB's are going to make mistakes and have bad games. Carolin's run game is not nearly as good as the Jets was last year to ease Clausen in like Sanchez was with the Jets.

 

[Magnum]

Wimpy prima-donna!

 

[GloryDaze]

I think it would be wise to move him now for whatever you can get. I thought he was terribly overrated at ND, and his pro prospects locked in Carolina are not good. He needed to take an Aaron Rodgers route to starting not a Peyton Manning.

 

[bulger2holt]

I am not trying to bash this young guy, but I can't believe people ripped the Rams for taking Bradford over him. Bradford will be elite, while Clausen will be average at best.

 

[Clifford]

I haven't seen him play in the pros, but I was pretty unimpressed with him and college and did not understand the love he got predraft. Everyone saying he was the most pro-ready but never really gave any reason why, other than he played in a pro-system under Weiss. Frankly I think the analysis on this kid began and ended there.

I don't agree with sell, because you'll get nothing for him, so wait and see but don't be afraid to cut him either. I think his ceiling is around Brady Quinn, so I don't think I need to get into his floor.

 

[lyon812]

What does the FBG forum feel about him at this stage?

That anyone drawing conclusions about him after one game is simply repeating whatever bias they held previously. If people thought he would be terrible, they still think he'll be terrible, and they'll focus on his turnovers and the pathetic Carolina first half, making bold claims about how overrated he is and has always been. This despite the fact that Stafford, Freeman, and Sanchez all looked much worse at times during 2009, and likewise got piled upon by people who were eager to demonstrate their scouting awesomeness by talking about how bad the QB was, how they never thought he'd be any good, and how people are foolish/stupid for liking him.Those who liked him will still like him, because they know that Carolina isn’t the best situation and struggles are to be expected. They should find optimism in Clausen’s stronger second half, when he went 15-28 for 174 yards and no interceptions--completely acceptable for a rookie’s first start. They’ll like his ability to adjust. Both sides should realize that they were playing in wet conditions on a soggy field, and that both offensive and defensive players, from both teams, commented on this afterwards, including the difficulty in running routes and catching/handling the ball. Palmer's QB rating was actually worse than Clausen's. I think he'll be a solid QB. I think the greatest challenge is rising above Carolina's offensive scheme. They desperately need someone besides Smith to develop. LaFell? Gettis? Barnidge? They need to step up. Regardless, Game 3 is a lot different than Game 16. Let's see how everything develops.

 

[Donnybrook]

I can't believe they are going to let Clausen start against the Saints. It tells me that Fox has already given up on this season. I am not sure how getting walloped by the former SB champs will help in Clausen's development.

 

[FallenHero32]

I can't believe they are going to let Clausen start against the Saints. It tells me that Fox has already given up on this season. I am not sure how getting walloped by the former SB champs will help in Clausen's development.

Being a former athlete myself, I can say that the times I learned the most and improved was after a good butt kicking by someone far better then I was. Sure, it sucked at the time, but the experience you can get from it is invaluable long term. Much like the Rams are doing with Bradford, Clausen will be put in to learn so that he can develop and speed up his game. That being said, I don't like Clausen at all and I think he is an arrogant kid that needs a good smackdown along with a reality check.

 

[Max Power]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.

He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

 

[jchapman70]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

I was at the game today and I have to say that I have never seen a QB have such a hard time taking the snap from center and/or handing off to a RB!!!!

 

[Joe Summer]

Why do teams insist upon throwing rookie QBs to the wolves? For every success story, there are 10 failures.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

I don't think we still hold our first rounder.. I believe it was traded away during the draft...

 

[Max Power]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

I don't think we still hold our first rounder.. I believe it was traded away during the draft...

Ouch ETA; did a quick search and it looks like you still have it.

 

[Football Jones]

Clausen is a good prospect, but he doesn't have a chance right now. I'd look to buy in dynasty leagues if you could get an owner willing to sell cheap enough (& if you could afford to wait on him).

 

[solorca]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

I'm not sure what the deal is with Clausen, but he doesn't see to have the ability to handle changing hands with a football. He can't handle snaps, he has difficulty handing off. I'm not really sure what's up with it, but it's been happening since mini-camp.

 

[Max Power]

Clausen is a good prospect, but he doesn't have a chance right now. I'd look to buy in dynasty leagues if you could get an owner willing to sell cheap enough (& if you could afford to wait on him).

I own JC in one league and would sell him for a late second round early third. I think at best he will top out at a QB2 in most formats.

 

[norgay]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

I was at the game today and I have to say that I have never seen a QB have such a hard time taking the snap from center and/or handing off to a RB!!!!

I've never see him play (live or on TV) but seriously, why is it hard to take a snap? And if he has trouble with it, how did he manage to get through his college career? Hell, how'd he get through high school without being able to take snap?

 

[solorca]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

I don't think we still hold our first rounder.. I believe it was traded away during the draft...

Ouch ETA; did a quick search and it looks like you still have it.

Yeah, we still have our first. We traded our second for a third this year (to take Armanti Edwards). We traded our first rounder the two prior seasons, however.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

Why do teams insist upon throwing rookie QBs to the wolves? For every success story, there are 10 failures.

When you're good, they play you right away and you're good right away. (see Dan Marino)When you're bad, they sit you unless they have no other alternative. (see Brady Quinn)When they're not sure whether you're good or bad, they let you play depending on what else they have, so that they can find out if you're any good. Sometimes this works. (see Rivers and Rodgers) Sometimes it doesn't. (See Leinart)I think they aren't sure with Clausen, but they're finding out. I guess what I'm saying is those ten failures were going to fail anyway. They're not failing for lack of sideline time.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Why do teams insist upon throwing rookie QBs to the wolves? For every success story, there are 10 failures.

When you're good, they play you right away and you're good right away. (see Dan Marino)When you're bad, they sit you unless they have no other alternative. (see Brady Quinn)When they're not sure whether you're good or bad, they let you play depending on what else they have, so that they can find out if you're any good. Sometimes this works. (see Rivers and Rodgers) Sometimes it doesn't. (See Leinart)I think they aren't sure with Clausen, but they're finding out. I guess what I'm saying is those ten failures were going to fail anyway. They're not failing for lack of sideline time.

I wonder how many failed QB's that were thrown to the wolves as rookies, would have been a success if they had sat a couple seasons instead? I honestly can't think of any. They all failed because they weren't good enough. Matt Stafford might end up being one example, but that is primarily due to injuries and not lack of confidence or skills.

 

[Joe Summer]

I wonder how many failed QB's that were thrown to the wolves as rookies, would have been a success if they had sat a couple seasons instead? I honestly can't think of any.

That's because you can't picture what the QB would have been like if he'd been allowed to sit and learn. If I were to tell you "David Carr could have been the next Kurt Warner", you'd laugh me off the internet.But by the same token, if Kurt Warner had started for the Packers in 1994, he would have failed miserably and never would have played in the NFL again.We'll never know what might have been.

 

[Clifford]

As a Clausen owner in dynasty I think it is important to start gauging his value going forward. Fox and company is walking on thin ice which makes Clausen situation even more unclear in dynasty as we don't know what or how a new regime will work.

Clausen does have talent and the ability to be a starter in the NFL, but what can we make of it. His first game as a starter was a bit of a shocking performance as a whole, but it is not time to panic at all. What does the FBG forum feel about him at this stage?

:X

 

[Max Power]

This kid didn't even look decent today. His pocket awareness was terrible, his release point is too low, his arm isn't that strong.He even screwed up a handoff today and fumbled the ball 15 yards backwards. I really dont know what to say at this point. If Carolina lands the #1 pick, they would be best served taking Luck in the draft.

I'm not sure what the deal is with Clausen, but he doesn't see to have the ability to handle changing hands with a football. He can't handle snaps, he has difficulty handing off. I'm not really sure what's up with it, but it's been happening since mini-camp.

I've got to think Moore is a much better option at this point. Ok, so Fox wanted to get an early look at what he has in this kid, but the experiment is over. He isn't game ready yet.

 

[Clifford]

I don't know why anyone thought he was good in the first place.

 

[bulger2holt]

I knew last year the Rams would have the first overall pick. They were that bad. So, I decided to watch a few ND games to see how good Clausen was and get familiar with him just in case ( I had already seen many Bradford games ). Every time I watched Clausen, I came away less and less impressed. I kept thinking this was Bulger part 2. Yuck.

 

[Clifford]

I think the Panthers would be thrilled with Bulger part 2. They got Quinn part 2.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I wonder how many failed QB's that were thrown to the wolves as rookies, would have been a success if they had sat a couple seasons instead? I honestly can't think of any.

That's because you can't picture what the QB would have been like if he'd been allowed to sit and learn. If I were to tell you "David Carr could have been the next Kurt Warner", you'd laugh me off the internet.But by the same token, if Kurt Warner had started for the Packers in 1994, he would have failed miserably and never would have played in the NFL again.We'll never know what might have been.

David Carr sucked. Sitting and learning would have just delayed the inevitable. We know he could not have been the next Warner because he proved his failure on the field. Kurt Warner on the other hand is a lock for the Hall of Fame. He probably would have played ok for the '94 Packers but they had Favre, Brunell and Detmer ahead of him so he was released before the season began. Mariucci was the Green Bay QB coach at the time and told Warner that he had enormous potential. Carr never had enormous potential. He just happened to be the most highly rated QB in a draft where there was no franchise QB. What's funny is that Carr now backs up Alex Smith, who may suck even worse. It's too early to tell on Clausen but I don't see anything special with him either.

 

[Johnny Ice]

I don't know why anyone thought he was good in the first place.

I agree, he didn't do a single thing against a solid defense his entire 3 yrs at ND.

 

[two_dollars]

Why do teams insist upon throwing rookie QBs to the wolves? For every success story, there are 10 failures.

When you're good, they play you right away and you're good right away. (see Dan Marino)When you're bad, they sit you unless they have no other alternative. (see Brady Quinn)

When they're not sure whether you're good or bad, they let you play depending on what else they have, so that they can find out if you're any good. Sometimes this works. (see Rivers and Rodgers) Sometimes it doesn't. (See Leinart)

I think they aren't sure with Clausen, but they're finding out.

I guess what I'm saying is those ten failures were going to fail anyway. They're not failing for lack of sideline time.

I don't think you can use Rodgers there. He had AMPLE sideline time under a HoF QB before being thrown in the mix.

 

[Joe Summer]

I wonder how many failed QB's that were thrown to the wolves as rookies, would have been a success if they had sat a couple seasons instead? I honestly can't think of any.

That's because you can't picture what the QB would have been like if he'd been allowed to sit and learn. If I were to tell you "David Carr could have been the next Kurt Warner", you'd laugh me off the internet.But by the same token, if Kurt Warner had started for the Packers in 1994, he would have failed miserably and never would have played in the NFL again.We'll never know what might have been.

David Carr sucked. Sitting and learning would have just delayed the inevitable. We know he could not have been the next Warner because he proved his failure on the field. Kurt Warner on the other hand is a lock for the Hall of Fame. He probably would have played ok for the '94 Packers but they had Favre, Brunell and Detmer ahead of him so he was released before the season began. Mariucci was the Green Bay QB coach at the time and told Warner that he had enormous potential. Carr never had enormous potential. He just happened to be the most highly rated QB in a draft where there was no franchise QB. What's funny is that Carr now backs up Alex Smith, who may suck even worse. It's too early to tell on Clausen but I don't see anything special with him either.

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