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Jimmy Graham -- 2011 Hype Train (1 Viewer)

Meh. I don't get why everyone the past two offseasons are going ape#### for TEs. Last time I checked they aren't what wins you championships. This past season was pathetic for TEs and that may be a sign of things to come considering the abundance of very good WRs in the league.

For what he's commanding in trade (as is Finley), it's not even close to worth it.

 
'doowain said:
Meh. I don't get why everyone the past two offseasons are going ape#### for TEs. Last time I checked they aren't what wins you championships. This past season was pathetic for TEs and that may be a sign of things to come considering the abundance of very good WRs in the league.For what he's commanding in trade (as is Finley), it's not even close to worth it.
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TE used to be very valuable when there were a handful of great producers at best, but the position has become quite deep. 2010 in particular was terrible for most people who went for the studs. Players like Jimmy make great upside picks in the late middle rounds. I like him, but he will probably be over-hyped, thus taken too early for me.
 
'doowain said:
Meh. I don't get why everyone the past two offseasons are going ape#### for TEs. Last time I checked they aren't what wins you championships. This past season was pathetic for TEs and that may be a sign of things to come considering the abundance of very good WRs in the league.For what he's commanding in trade (as is Finley), it's not even close to worth it.
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It's rare any one player is going to win you a championship. But if you can land the next Gates, it will give you such an advantage it's worth pursuing.
 
'Dr. Awesome said:
But if you can land the next Gates, it will give you such an advantage it's worth pursuing.
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That used to be true when there was only one Gates.When you now have several "Gates", that advantage is diminished tremendously.That said...........GO GET GRAHAM!!!!11!!
 
In my dynasty league, I'm even across the board with my main competition with the only real differentiator being the TE position. One team has Gates, one has Witten, and I was starting waiver wire trash. I was consistently losing to these teams by 5-10 points and it was usually the TE that made the difference. Gates/Witten putting up 10-15 pts a week versus my waiver guy getting 10 on a good week with an average closer to 4-5 pts a week.

Top tier TE's are worth it when teams are evenly matched as they can provide the competitive advantage you need. Our championship game this year the loser only had Gates at TE and had to take a 0 because Gates didn't play while the champ had Graham who put up 8. The Championship was decided by 6 points.

 
'Queso Viejo said:
In my dynasty league, I'm even across the board with my main competition with the only real differentiator being the TE position. One team has Gates, one has Witten, and I was starting waiver wire trash. I was consistently losing to these teams by 5-10 points and it was usually the TE that made the difference. Gates/Witten putting up 10-15 pts a week versus my waiver guy getting 10 on a good week with an average closer to 4-5 pts a week. Top tier TE's are worth it when teams are evenly matched as they can provide the competitive advantage you need. Our championship game this year the loser only had Gates at TE and had to take a 0 because Gates didn't play while the champ had Graham who put up 8. The Championship was decided by 6 points.
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Those are extremes you are talking about. What I was referring to (and not saying you are directly replying to me), is that the difference from TE10 to TE5 is not much. So, to overpay for Graham when you can get the same production (and perhaps better) from Marcedes Lewis or Owen Daniels is just silly. Overpaying for a non-stud in the hopes of him becoming a stud is a big mistake. You will miss far more times than you hit.That being said.....GO SELL GRAHAM!!!!11!
 
Just to let you guys know, I got an offer for Graham today in which I would give him up and swap my 1.12 for the 1.05 rookie pick. I was going to turn it down and I have Jason Witten as well, just to put it into perspective. This is a league that rewards 1.5 PPR for TEs.

 
'doowain said:
'Queso Viejo said:
In my dynasty league, I'm even across the board with my main competition with the only real differentiator being the TE position. One team has Gates, one has Witten, and I was starting waiver wire trash. I was consistently losing to these teams by 5-10 points and it was usually the TE that made the difference. Gates/Witten putting up 10-15 pts a week versus my waiver guy getting 10 on a good week with an average closer to 4-5 pts a week. Top tier TE's are worth it when teams are evenly matched as they can provide the competitive advantage you need. Our championship game this year the loser only had Gates at TE and had to take a 0 because Gates didn't play while the champ had Graham who put up 8. The Championship was decided by 6 points.
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Those are extremes you are talking about. What I was referring to (and not saying you are directly replying to me), is that the difference from TE10 to TE5 is not much. So, to overpay for Graham when you can get the same production (and perhaps better) from Marcedes Lewis or Owen Daniels is just silly. Overpaying for a non-stud in the hopes of him becoming a stud is a big mistake. You will miss far more times than you hit.That being said.....GO SELL GRAHAM!!!!11!
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:goodposting:
 
Ended up on this train in the 11th round of my two toughest leagues somehow. Here's hoping he has more than just the one catch tonight!

 
With the aggressive pass rush of the Packers, the Saints are keeping Graham in to pick up the blitzes. There just have not been a lot of opportunities for Graham to catch a pass tonight. I think this is just part of the Saints game plan and is only for this game. At least this is what I hope.

 
He has actually been the main option on a couple of redzone looks, but Green bay had him blanketed so Brees had to eat it.

I am disappointed in this game,but I do like that it seemed like they were really looking to get him the ball in the redzone. He wasn't targeted as much because the Saints were so worried about the GB pass rush.

I still think he will be a solid starter at TE .

 
'death of the cool said:
He has actually been the main option on a couple of redzone looks, but Green bay had him blanketed so Brees had to eat it.I am disappointed in this game,but I do like that it seemed like they were really looking to get him the ball in the redzone. He wasn't targeted as much because the Saints were so worried about the GB pass rush. I still think he will be a solid starter at TE .
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Yea brees has looked his way enough but everytime something has gone wrong. I'm still holding out hope for a late td.
 
hype train getting off to a solid start...things were shaky but he came through with a td. I'm glad I'm aboard and hoping he tears it up.

 
It's only gonna get better, fellas. Most teams literally have nobody who can cover him, and they can't afford to double him with the other weapons New Orleans has. I wanted to say he was a "poor man's Jermichael Finley" ... but he may actually be a white man's Jermichael Finley. :)

 
'Raider Nation said:
It's only gonna get better, fellas. Most teams literally have nobody who can cover him, and they can't afford to double him with the other weapons New Orleans has. I wanted to say he was a "poor man's Jermichael Finley" ... but he may actually be a white man's Jermichael Finley. :)
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LOL... I wanted to be aboard the Finley train but missed out so I jumped on the Graham train. I was gonna call him Finley light.
 
Raider Nation said:
It's only gonna get better, fellas. Most teams literally have nobody who can cover him, and they can't afford to double him with the other weapons New Orleans has. I wanted to say he was a "poor man's Jermichael Finley" ... but he may actually be a white man's Jermichael Finley. :)
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does this look white to you?. He's at least bi-racial, if not light skinned black. Not that it really matters. :shrug:

I did find this out on his wiki

Graham had a difficult upbringing; at age 11 he was placed in a group home where he was physically beaten by older children. In high school, with help from a church youth counselor who took him into her home, he improved his grades, became a basketball star as a senior at Community Christian in Wilson, North Carolina[2] and at Charis Prep in Goldsboro, North Carolina, and earned a basketball scholarship to the University of Miami.[3][/quoteSounds like we have another oscar nominating role for Sandra Bullock here possibly...
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'Hipple said:
'Raider Nation said:
It's only gonna get better, fellas. Most teams literally have nobody who can cover him, and they can't afford to double him with the other weapons New Orleans has. I wanted to say he was a "poor man's Jermichael Finley" ... but he may actually be a white man's Jermichael Finley. :)
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does this look white to you?. He's at least bi-racial, if not light skinned black.
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Makes sense that he has some brother in him. He was too suspiciously athletic. :banned:
 
'Raider Nation said:
'Hipple said:
'Raider Nation said:
It's only gonna get better, fellas. Most teams literally have nobody who can cover him, and they can't afford to double him with the other weapons New Orleans has. I wanted to say he was a "poor man's Jermichael Finley" ... but he may actually be a white man's Jermichael Finley. :)
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does this look white to you?. He's at least bi-racial, if not light skinned black.
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Makes sense that he has some brother in him. He was too suspiciously athletic. :banned:
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with the freckles/kinky fro I'm guessing he's half irish/half black...
 
'thatguy said:
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
check the scoreboard before you do the belt pose.
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It's not like it was a meaningless touch down in a blowout. It was an important TD that closed the gap to 8 with enough time left to tie it up. I see no problem celebrating in that situation.
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I mean obviously I'm biased here but mimicking an opponents celebration in their house in the 4th quarter of a game you've never had a lead in . . . just seems like bad mojo to me. You gotta save that stuff for blowouts.
 
'Reepicheep said:
'thatguy said:
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
check the scoreboard before you do the belt pose.
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It's not like it was a meaningless touch down in a blowout. It was an important TD that closed the gap to 8 with enough time left to tie it up. I see no problem celebrating in that situation.
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I mean obviously I'm biased here but mimicking an opponents celebration in their house in the 4th quarter of a game you've never had a lead in . . . just seems like bad mojo to me. You gotta save that stuff for blowouts.
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Ah, didn't even realize he was mimicking Rodger's celebration... I guess I can see where you and the other poster are coming from.
 
'Reepicheep said:
'thatguy said:
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
check the scoreboard before you do the belt pose.
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It's not like it was a meaningless touch down in a blowout. It was an important TD that closed the gap to 8 with enough time left to tie it up. I see no problem celebrating in that situation.
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I mean obviously I'm biased here but mimicking an opponents celebration in their house in the 4th quarter of a game you've never had a lead in . . . just seems like bad mojo to me. You gotta save that stuff for blowouts.
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I'm sure you apply the same standard to Finley's repeated bicept flex's in the first half :rolleyes:
 
'Hipple said:
'Reepicheep said:
'thatguy said:
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
check the scoreboard before you do the belt pose.
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It's not like it was a meaningless touch down in a blowout. It was an important TD that closed the gap to 8 with enough time left to tie it up. I see no problem celebrating in that situation.
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I mean obviously I'm biased here but mimicking an opponents celebration in their house in the 4th quarter of a game you've never had a lead in . . . just seems like bad mojo to me. You gotta save that stuff for blowouts.
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I'm sure you apply the same standard to Finley's repeated bicept flex's in the first half :rolleyes:
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I must watched a different first half, which was played in NO with the Saints up big. :confused:And if he was doing a Saints player's celebration I will admit to being ignorant on that point. Otherwise I guess it's pretty much an apples to apples sort of situation.ETA: For the Record I think Finley's a beast but agree that he does too much preening for someone who still hasn't played a whole season. He is one of those shake-your-head-and-live-with-him type of players.
 
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Without that late TD, Graham could have been a trade target for those without him, but now the final tally looks like a top TE for Graham. GB had bracket coverage on Graham, but Brees DID look for him a lot. The pass rush and coverage didn't allow for a huge game from Graham. Better things to come and I didn't see anything that lowered my top-3 TE numbers I see coming from Graham in 2011.

 
Without that late TD, Graham could have been a trade target for those without him, but now the final tally looks like a top TE for Graham. GB had bracket coverage on Graham, but Brees DID look for him a lot. The pass rush and coverage didn't allow for a huge game from Graham. Better things to come and I didn't see anything that lowered my top-3 TE numbers I see coming from Graham in 2011.
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I agree....It was pretty obvious that GB had gameplanned well to limit Graham, and another factor was New Orleans fear of the GB passrush. Most 3rd downs had Thomas in a wing on the tackles hip to help chip the passrusher.Even with all that, Graham was targeted 7 times, and I think there were probably 3 or 4 more times that Brees clearly was looking for him and he was covered. Before the TD, I fully expected some emails next week from sharks in my league trying to deal for him.....they saw the same things I did. This guy has top 5 potential this year.
 
Good point, I forgot to address the use of Dave Thomas. He was on the field a bit more than I expected...even a couple times in the Graham role (split out wide). I was impressed with Graham's blocking when he was asked to - which will help him stay on the field more, which equates to more opportunities for fantasy production.

 
'Hipple said:
I'm sure you apply the same standard to Finley's repeated bicept flex's in the first half :rolleyes:
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Doing an opponents celebration (and the MVP of the last super bowl to boot) on the road, down by 8 with 2 minutes left = flexing in the first half?Umm...ok.
 
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