Jimmy Rollins (1 Viewer)

[sihaokills]

After a good start, I was happy as a fantasy owner. Now he is not getting hits and runs. I'm really wondering whether hes done... Should I try to trade him in a multi sport league before his stock dies down even more?

 

[RnR]

After a good start, I was happy as a fantasy owner. Now he is not getting hits and runs. I'm really wondering whether hes done... Should I try to trade him in a multi sport league before his stock dies down even more?

I wouldn't overreact. He has every reason to be motivated in the last year of his contract, he's playing for one more big deal. As long as he's healthy, running, and hitting in the top 3 of the order, his numbers will work out in the end. He's not going to hit for a great average, but you should've known that coming in. You have him for the HR/SB production at SS. He'll still get that.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

After a good start, I was happy as a fantasy owner. Now he is not getting hits and runs. I'm really wondering whether hes done... Should I try to trade him in a multi sport league before his stock dies down even more?

I wouldn't overreact. He has every reason to be motivated in the last year of his contract, he's playing for one more big deal. As long as he's healthy, running, and hitting in the top 3 of the order, his numbers will work out in the end. He's not going to hit for a great average, but you should've known that coming in. You have him for the HR/SB production at SS. He'll still get that.

Interesting take. I am not really a believer at this point. He looks awful. I snagged him in one league where we start 2 shortstops and I've still thought about cutting him (albeit not seriously). He still has value because shortstop is perhaps the weakest position in baseball...but I'd jump at any reasonable value. Again, because shortstop is such a thin position I wouldn't dump him for pennies - but if you find a believer I'd waste little time getting rid of him.I can be motivated to play for a big contract as well. That doesn't mean I have the ability to perform as I'd like.

 

[pollardsvision]

Depends what you mean by "die down".

Other than a power outburst in '09, he's been in a steady decline across the board for the last 4 years and hasn't had an .800+ OPS season since '07. He's now at the age (32) where pre-steroid era players were supposed to begin an even more drastic decline.

A 12-30-.250 season with a chance for the bottom to completely fall out is about all that could reasonably be expected.

Those are very useful numbers at SS and he could still reach them, but if somebody wanted to pay for the name, I'd certainly be selling.

 

[E-Z Glider]

I havent seen anything that would made me want to dump J-Roll for less than value. He started hot, went through a short slump, and has been luke-warm lately (he's streaky). He's been hitting the ball hard and has been robbed on a few too (can think of 4-5 RBIs he was robbed of in just in the games I watched).

His average/OBP is right about where you expect. He's scoring a good amount of runs. I dont think he's ever going to get to 20 (or maybe even 15) HR's again. My biggest problem is that I was willing to accept a slight drop in SB's for the added RBI's he was supposed to deliver in the 3-hole. Yet, somehow he only has 2 RBIs. We all know RBIs are partly luck, so at this point, Im still chalking this up as bad luck and expecting a correction.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Box him up. He's done.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I havent seen anything that would made me want to dump J-Roll for less than value. He started hot, went through a short slump, and has been luke-warm lately (he's streaky). He's been hitting the ball hard and has been robbed on a few too (can think of 4-5 RBIs he was robbed of in just in the games I watched). His average/OBP is right about where you expect. He's scoring a good amount of runs. I dont think he's ever going to get to 20 (or maybe even 15) HR's again. My biggest problem is that I was willing to accept a slight drop in SB's for the added RBI's he was supposed to deliver in the 3-hole. Yet, somehow he only has 2 RBIs. We all know RBIs are partly luck, so at this point, Im still chalking this up as bad luck and expecting a correction.

Meanwhile, the guy hitting in front of him (Polanco) has 15. The RBIs will come

 

[RnR]

After a good start, I was happy as a fantasy owner. Now he is not getting hits and runs. I'm really wondering whether hes done... Should I try to trade him in a multi sport league before his stock dies down even more?

I wouldn't overreact. He has every reason to be motivated in the last year of his contract, he's playing for one more big deal. As long as he's healthy, running, and hitting in the top 3 of the order, his numbers will work out in the end. He's not going to hit for a great average, but you should've known that coming in. You have him for the HR/SB production at SS. He'll still get that.

Interesting take. I am not really a believer at this point. He looks awful. I snagged him in one league where we start 2 shortstops and I've still thought about cutting him (albeit not seriously). He still has value because shortstop is perhaps the weakest position in baseball...but I'd jump at any reasonable value. Again, because shortstop is such a thin position I wouldn't dump him for pennies - but if you find a believer I'd waste little time getting rid of him.I can be motivated to play for a big contract as well. That doesn't mean I have the ability to perform as I'd like.

I'm curious as to why you think he's done at 32 yrs old. That's still on the tail end of the "27-33" prime. He's been banged up for a few seasons, and I've always questioned his durability way more than his skill set. He possesses a 20/30 skill set at SS. I haven't seen anything in games this season that would make me think differently, aside from a small concern he's more of a 10-15 HR guy at this point. A cold streak after a hot streak in April doesn't spook me, I'm much more concerned with his ability to finish 150 games.ETA: I guess it depends on what your expectations were when you drafted him. If you were expecting 06/07 Jimmy Rollins, you've set yourself up for a huge let down. If you were drafting with the 09 version in mind as the upside, I think you're fairly content with what you have right now.

 

[pollardsvision]

What sort of HR/SB numbers do you guys think he can rack up?

With the atrocious AVG he's likely to put up, he doesn't have a ton of value if he doesn't clear 10 HRs with relative ease. Even in a weak SS crop, alot of guys can get you some SBs and a bad AVG with little power.

 

[RnR]

What sort of HR/SB numbers do you guys think he can rack up?With the atrocious AVG he's likely to put up, he doesn't have a ton of value if he doesn't clear 10 HRs with relative ease. Even in a weak SS crop, alot of guys can get you some SBs and a bad AVG with little power.

Assuming 150+ games, I really don't think 15/30 is much of a stretch. I also don't think .260+ is much of a stretch either. Assuming he stays parked at the #3 spot for the rest of the season, the R/RBI numbers should be fairly favorable as well.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

After a good start, I was happy as a fantasy owner. Now he is not getting hits and runs. I'm really wondering whether hes done... Should I try to trade him in a multi sport league before his stock dies down even more?

I wouldn't overreact. He has every reason to be motivated in the last year of his contract, he's playing for one more big deal. As long as he's healthy, running, and hitting in the top 3 of the order, his numbers will work out in the end. He's not going to hit for a great average, but you should've known that coming in. You have him for the HR/SB production at SS. He'll still get that.

Interesting take. I am not really a believer at this point. He looks awful. I snagged him in one league where we start 2 shortstops and I've still thought about cutting him (albeit not seriously). He still has value because shortstop is perhaps the weakest position in baseball...but I'd jump at any reasonable value. Again, because shortstop is such a thin position I wouldn't dump him for pennies - but if you find a believer I'd waste little time getting rid of him.I can be motivated to play for a big contract as well. That doesn't mean I have the ability to perform as I'd like.

I'm curious as to why you think he's done at 32 yrs old. That's still on the tail end of the "27-33" prime. He's been banged up for a few seasons, and I've always questioned his durability way more than his skill set. He possesses a 20/30 skill set at SS. I haven't seen anything in games this season that would make me think differently, aside from a small concern he's more of a 10-15 HR guy at this point. A cold streak after a hot streak in April doesn't spook me, I'm much more concerned with his ability to finish 150 games.ETA: I guess it depends on what your expectations were when you drafted him. If you were expecting 06/07 Jimmy Rollins, you've set yourself up for a huge let down. If you were drafting with the 09 version in mind as the upside, I think you're fairly content with what you have right now.

His babip is higher than it's been since 2007 and his batting average is still 256. His slugging percent is at a career low. He's hitting more groundballs and fewer flyballs than ever. And he just doesn't LOOK good. I think a 15/30 season is incredibly generous. I think 10/25 is his upside. And I don't even think he'll hit that.But with the crap that is at this position, you're pretty much stuck with him still being a solid starter.

 

[Eephus]

His babip is higher than it's been since 2007 and his batting average is still 256. His slugging percent is at a career low. He's hitting more groundballs and fewer flyballs than ever. And he just doesn't LOOK good. I think a 15/30 season is incredibly generous. I think 10/25 is his upside. And I don't even think he'll hit that.But with the crap that is at this position, you're pretty much stuck with him still being a solid starter.

I don't think BABIP is significant with such a small sample size. He only has 97 PAs but you have to factor out 22 of those since the ball wasn't put into play.

 

[RnR]

His babip is higher than it's been since 2007 and his batting average is still 256. His slugging percent is at a career low. He's hitting more groundballs and fewer flyballs than ever. And he just doesn't LOOK good. I think a 15/30 season is incredibly generous. I think 10/25 is his upside. And I don't even think he'll hit that.But with the crap that is at this position, you're pretty much stuck with him still being a solid starter.

I don't think BABIP is significant with such a small sample size. He only has 97 PAs but you have to factor out 22 of those since the ball wasn't put into play.

I feel the same way about sample size on most any stat at this point. Unless a guy is hitting under .150, being dropped in the order, or losing playing time, I just can't make any conclusive decision on a player less than a month into the season.

 

[pantagrapher]

Box him up. He's done.

Also, backdate to 2009.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

His babip is higher than it's been since 2007 and his batting average is still 256. His slugging percent is at a career low. He's hitting more groundballs and fewer flyballs than ever. And he just doesn't LOOK good. I think a 15/30 season is incredibly generous. I think 10/25 is his upside. And I don't even think he'll hit that.But with the crap that is at this position, you're pretty much stuck with him still being a solid starter.

I don't think BABIP is significant with such a small sample size. He only has 97 PAs but you have to factor out 22 of those since the ball wasn't put into play.

I feel the same way about sample size on most any stat at this point. Unless a guy is hitting under .150, being dropped in the order, or losing playing time, I just can't make any conclusive decision on a player less than a month into the season.

Fair points. As a Rollins owner in one league I hope he gets going.

 

[RnR]

Keep talking down on Jimmy, he's hearing you!

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Keep talking down on Jimmy, he's hearing you!

Want to update your opinion on Bautista?

 

[RnR]

Keep talking down on Jimmy, he's hearing you!

Want to update your opinion on Bautista?

I had to look up the Jose Bautista thread to see my input:

JB should be the top pick in FFBB next year. Will anybody have the nuts to do it?

He should not be the top pick next year.

Won't even sniff the first round...

I think he will sneak into the first round in quite a bit of drafts. I wouldn't take him, but I imagine someone will.Pujols, Gonzalez, Cabrera, Hanley, Crawford, Votto, Longoria all need to go in front of him in any and every draft I would think. With quite a few others that I am forgetting about I am sure.

Oh, there are probably 40 or 50 guys you could make a healthy case for over Bautista in a 2011 draft. Your point is well taken though, there is always someone that thinks they are acquiring last year's numbers when drafting players. I'm 100% sure he won't see my roster in 2011, because there will always be someone that values him higher than me. I'm okay with that.

I still stand by that 100%. He didn't sniff the first round in any draft I participated in, and he was well off the board before I was comfortable taking him. Notice I never said I thought he was terrible, I'm just not comfortable drafting a 30-year-old with a .247/.348/.462 career line and one legitimate "plus" season as the foundation of my team. It is like using a first-round pick on Adam Dunn and not receiving any of the added benefits of a track record. He may have another great season (I still question it), but I can sleep at night with the decision to pass on him at his ADP.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

RnR> Was talking about this: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=584420&view=findpost&p=13027746

 

[RnR]

RnR> Was talking about this: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=584420&view=findpost&p=13027746

Ahh, well, I'm still pretty content with Reyes at that pick. .311/17R/1HR/6RBI/8SB is a pretty solid start.