JJ Putz (1 Viewer)

[Hooper31]

Its too bad that everyone saw him give up that Jack in the All-Star Game. I just watched him blow away the Tigers for the second time in three nights in close games.

Dealing 98mph with control. 28 straight saves. His overall stats this season are insane.

Year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA 2007 SEA 39 0 1 0 25 0 0 42.0 18 4 4 3 7 45 0.86 0.60 .132What impresses me most is his BB/K ratio. Also, just before the break Hargrove was starting to throw him in more in the 8th inning. Same thing happened tonight. ERA down to 0.83 after the save tonight.

If the starters in Seattle find any sort of consistency this team could be dangerous.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Its too bad that everyone saw him give up that Jack in the All-Star Game. I just watched him blow away the Tigers for the second time in three nights in close games.

Dealing 98mph with control. 28 straight saves. His overall stats this season are insane.

Year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA 2007 SEA 39 0 1 0 25 0 0 42.0 18 4 4 3 7 45 0.86 0.60 .132What impresses me most is his BB/K ratio. Also, just before the break Hargrove was starting to throw him in more in the 8th inning. Same thing happened tonight. ERA down to 0.83 after the save tonight.

If the starters in Seattle find any sort of consistency this team could be dangerous.

Got to be careful with that - when Jim Tracy managed the Dodgers, he did that with Gagne (once set up man Mota was traded) and while it worked well that season, Gagne was injured the next and never could get healthy enough to close for LA again.

 

[shadyridr]

Hands down best closer in baseball.

 

[Kiddnets]

stole him in a deal a few weeks back - have him for the stretch and next year at a nice price! Hope he keeps it up!

 

[Balco]

Makes the Horacio Remairez for Soriano deal that much dumber. Soriano would be huge for that pen as the 8th inning guy.

 

[Hooper31]

Makes the Horacio Remairez for Soriano deal that much dumber. Soriano would be huge for that pen as the 8th inning guy.

Because George Sherrill has really sucked as the setup guy?

Year	Team	G	GS	W	L	SV	CG	SHO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP	BAA	   2007	SEA	41	0	2	0	0	0	0	28.1	13	4	4	1	5	29	1.27	0.64	.140

Amazingly, he's one of the only guys in the AL that has a stat line rivaling Putz.

 

[Balco]

Makes the Horacio Remairez for Soriano deal that much dumber. Soriano would be huge for that pen as the 8th inning guy.

Because George Sherrill has really sucked as the setup guy?

Year	Team	G	GS	W	L	SV	CG	SHO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP	BAA	   2007	SEA	41	0	2	0	0	0	0	28.1	13	4	4	1	5	29	1.27	0.64	.140

Amazingly, he's one of the only guys in the AL that has a stat line rivaling Putz.

Forgot about Sherril, he and Pat Nesheck seem to not get enough recognition for the success they have had. But Soriano would still be an asset, no question.

 

[Hooper31]

Makes the Horacio Remairez for Soriano deal that much dumber. Soriano would be huge for that pen as the 8th inning guy.

Because George Sherrill has really sucked as the setup guy?

Year	Team	G	GS	W	L	SV	CG	SHO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP	BAA	   2007	SEA	41	0	2	0	0	0	0	28.1	13	4	4	1	5	29	1.27	0.64	.140

Amazingly, he's one of the only guys in the AL that has a stat line rivaling Putz.

Forgot about Sherril, he and Pat Nesheck seem to not get enough recognition for the success they have had. But Soriano would still be an asset, no question.

I can't disagree, but the Seattle bullpen has been nails this season across the board. If Morrow gets his BB situation under control he's going to be very dangerous.

Player	 	BB	 	K	 	ERA	 	WHIP	 	BAA	  J.J. Putz	 	7 	 	48 	 	0.83 	 	0.58 	 	.129 	  George Sherrill	 	5 	 	29 	 	1.27 	 	0.64 	 	.140 	  Eric O'Flaherty	 	8 	 	18 	 	2.05 	 	0.98 	 	.200 	  Sean Green	 	18 	 	31 	 	2.86 	 	1.53 	 	.271 	  Brandon Morrow	33 	 	32 	 	3.71 	 	1.82 	 	.240

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Makes the Horacio Remairez for Soriano deal that much dumber. Soriano would be huge for that pen as the 8th inning guy.

Because George Sherrill has really sucked as the setup guy?

Year	Team	G	GS	W	L	SV	CG	SHO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP	BAA	   2007	SEA	41	0	2	0	0	0	0	28.1	13	4	4	1	5	29	1.27	0.64	.140

Amazingly, he's one of the only guys in the AL that has a stat line rivaling Putz.

Forgot about Sherril, he and Pat Nesheck seem to not get enough recognition for the success they have had. But Soriano would still be an asset, no question.

I can't disagree, but the Seattle bullpen has been nails this season across the board. If Morrow gets his BB situation under control he's going to be very dangerous.

Player	 	BB	 	K	 	ERA	 	WHIP	 	BAA	  J.J. Putz	 	7 	 	48 	 	0.83 	 	0.58 	 	.129 	  George Sherrill	 	5 	 	29 	 	1.27 	 	0.64 	 	.140 	  Eric O'Flaherty	 	8 	 	18 	 	2.05 	 	0.98 	 	.200 	  Sean Green	 	18 	 	31 	 	2.86 	 	1.53 	 	.271 	  Brandon Morrow	33 	 	32 	 	3.71 	 	1.82 	 	.240

I'm not sure if I was the only one who thought Seattle would be good this year but the bullpen has exceeded even my expectations and I thought they were about an 88 win team at the beginning of the season. When you have three guys with sub one WHIPs going into the 7th it's gonna be tough getting a lot of games from them.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

The Seattle bullpen is similar to the 2006 Tigers bullpen. Basically makes the games 6-7 innings long.

 

[Big Dumb Ape]

The problem with the Ramirez/Soriano trade is that Morrow is in the pen. Look at Lincecum and Miller - started in the minors, now contributing. I don't think Morrow would be ready to start in the leeg because of a lack of control and a good enough changeup, but at least he'd be working on that down in the minors.

Either way, we gave up a very good pitcher for a very marginal. and I don't care which role you have them in, that hurts. Ramirez for Soriano was terrible. You can't say we don't miss that kind of a reliever.

 

[Hooper31]

Either way, we gave up a very good pitcher for a very marginal. and I don't care which role you have them in, that hurts. Ramirez for Soriano was terrible. You can't say we don't miss that kind of a reliever.

I guess we'll just disagree. I think you should deal from your strengths to cover your weaknesses. If Seattle has a weakness its certainly the starters. Ramirez got hurt. Those sorts of things aren't predictable. I don't think Soriano in Seattle would help this team unless he was starting games. How much better than 0 blown saves can the bullpen be?

 

[Big Dumb Ape]

Either way, we gave up a very good pitcher for a very marginal. and I don't care which role you have them in, that hurts. Ramirez for Soriano was terrible. You can't say we don't miss that kind of a reliever.

I guess we'll just disagree. I think you should deal from your strengths to cover your weaknesses. If Seattle has a weakness its certainly the starters. Ramirez got hurt. Those sorts of things aren't predictable. I don't think Soriano in Seattle would help this team unless he was starting games. How much better than 0 blown saves can the bullpen be?

I absolutely agree that you should deal from your strengths to cover your weaknesses. My problem with that trade was not that they traded Soriano for a starter, it's that they traded him for a replacement level starter who had some hype a few years ago and has been consistently mediocre at best since then.My concern about this pen is that they're going to need to be overused and will break down somewhat toward the end of the season. Soriano would give us more badass innings than we have, and that's a good thing.Same thing with the Vidro trade. I don't mind that they traded Snelling for a DH - I mind that they traded him for one of the worst DH's in baseball.I'm really happy with the way the Mariners are doing, and not pissed at the team at all - but I don't see how that Soriano trade can be defended.

 

[Capella]

Either way, we gave up a very good pitcher for a very marginal. and I don't care which role you have them in, that hurts. Ramirez for Soriano was terrible. You can't say we don't miss that kind of a reliever.

I guess we'll just disagree. I think you should deal from your strengths to cover your weaknesses. If Seattle has a weakness its certainly the starters. Ramirez got hurt. Those sorts of things aren't predictable. I don't think Soriano in Seattle would help this team unless he was starting games. How much better than 0 blown saves can the bullpen be?

Ramirez was and will continue to be flat-out mediocre to worse. That trade was completely inexcusable on all ends. Made even worse by the fact that slug is hurt. Or maybe made even better, so you don't have to have him in the rotation.

 

[Hooper31]

Either way, we gave up a very good pitcher for a very marginal. and I don't care which role you have them in, that hurts. Ramirez for Soriano was terrible. You can't say we don't miss that kind of a reliever.

I guess we'll just disagree. I think you should deal from your strengths to cover your weaknesses. If Seattle has a weakness its certainly the starters. Ramirez got hurt. Those sorts of things aren't predictable. I don't think Soriano in Seattle would help this team unless he was starting games. How much better than 0 blown saves can the bullpen be?

Ramirez was and will continue to be flat-out mediocre to worse. That trade was completely inexcusable on all ends. Made even worse by the fact that slug is hurt. Or maybe made even better, so you don't have to have him in the rotation.

I get it. Some of you don't like the guy, but people are failing to see the big picture here. This team is desperate for starters. Having a .500 starter in your rotation is acceptable. Does a pitcher have to be the greatest of all time or a slug? Isn't there any middle ground?He started eight games this year. The team went 4-4 in those games. He had three starts where he got into the seventh inning giving up only one earned run.Was it a bad trade? Perhaps, but calling it "completely inexcusable" and "indefensible" is a stretch. They took a chance on a starter by dealing from their strength. Will it work out? Maybe not, but its certainly not worthy of this sort of hyperbole.Lastly, we're talking about Seattle here. Getting a worth while free agent to come here is next to impossible. The entire baseball world knows this. I don't have a problem with the trade. The front office is trying to help the team. What else would you have them do?

 

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MIght be able to finish close to papelbon's numbers from the 06 season but I'll be surprised

As far as setup men:

Okajima >>> Sherrill

Homerism aside Putz is VERY good but his ego and reliance on his fastball will cost him sooner rather than later. Still among the top if not top guys at his job right now.

 

[wilked]

Yes, Putz is the best closer in baseball

 

[Zombie Kid]

Either way, we gave up a very good pitcher for a very marginal. and I don't care which role you have them in, that hurts. Ramirez for Soriano was terrible. You can't say we don't miss that kind of a reliever.

I guess we'll just disagree. I think you should deal from your strengths to cover your weaknesses. If Seattle has a weakness its certainly the starters. Ramirez got hurt. Those sorts of things aren't predictable. I don't think Soriano in Seattle would help this team unless he was starting games. How much better than 0 blown saves can the bullpen be?

Ramirez was and will continue to be flat-out mediocre to worse. That trade was completely inexcusable on all ends. Made even worse by the fact that slug is hurt. Or maybe made even better, so you don't have to have him in the rotation.

I get it. Some of you don't like the guy, but people are failing to see the big picture here. This team is desperate for starters. Having a .500 starter in your rotation is acceptable. Does a pitcher have to be the greatest of all time or a slug? Isn't there any middle ground?He started eight games this year. The team went 4-4 in those games. He had three starts where he got into the seventh inning giving up only one earned run.Was it a bad trade? Perhaps, but calling it "completely inexcusable" and "indefensible" is a stretch. They took a chance on a starter by dealing from their strength. Will it work out? Maybe not, but its certainly not worthy of this sort of hyperbole.Lastly, we're talking about Seattle here. Getting a worth while free agent to come here is next to impossible. The entire baseball world knows this. I don't have a problem with the trade. The front office is trying to help the team. What else would you have them do?

8 starts, 40 innings, 18 walks against 14 K's, 1.88 WHIP, 6.47 ERA. Studly. And he's never approached a K-BB of 1.5, much less 2 and above.It was an indefensible trade. And he is a slug. They should've just promoted whomever their best guy was at AAA and kept Soriano.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

MIght be able to finish close to papelbon's numbers from the 06 season but I'll be surprised As far as setup men:Okajima >>> Sherrill Homerism aside Putz is VERY good but his ego and reliance on his fastball will cost him sooner rather than later. Still among the top if not top guys at his job right now.

In all seriousness anytime you hear the phrase about taking off your "homer glasses" for just two seconds, they are always referring to you. ALWAYS. You can't, I mean you really can't look at one single baseball thing objectively if your Red Sux are in the conversation. At least I’ve never seen you do it. I’m a homer also but not anything like this where I can’t just say JJ Putz is the man without having to compare him to Joel Zumaya. Pickin’ up what I’m puttin’ down here? No offense intended, just thought you needed to know.

 

[shadyridr]

MIght be able to finish close to papelbon's numbers from the 06 season but I'll be surprised

As far as setup men:

Okajima >>> Sherrill

Homerism aside Putz is VERY good but his ego and reliance on his fastball will cost him sooner rather than later. Still among the top if not top guys at his job right now.

Might take a bit of work to get those 6 blown saves

 

[RedRaiders]

MIght be able to finish close to papelbon's numbers from the 06 season but I'll be surprised

As far as setup men:

Okajima >>> Sherrill

Homerism aside Putz is VERY good but his ego and reliance on his fastball will cost him sooner rather than later. Still among the top if not top guys at his job right now.

Might take a bit of work to get those 6 blown saves

 

[shadyridr]

 

[Hooper31]

:CoughCough:

 

[Frostillicus]

I'm not sure if I was the only one who thought Seattle would be good this year

I put down on them at 40-1 to win the pennant, so I'm right there with ya.

 

[Capella]

:CoughCough: <_<

nip

 

[whoknew]

He's a Michigan man!

GO BLUE!!!

 

[Hooper31]

Just gave up a homer and the lead in the eighth inning. First earned run in a long time. Could be his first blown save this year.

 

[pigskin pimp]

Just gave up a homer and the lead in the eighth inning. First earned run in a long time. Could be his first blown save this year.

It was his 1st blown save all year. 29 for 30 now.

 

[Greco]

He is no Willie Hernandez.

Bless you boys!