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jvdesigns2002 said:
I've skimmed through this thread and it's quite evident that it has evolved (actually devolved) into something more than just advice on a job interview.  Regardless of whether we tend to agree or disagree with other members of the FBG--I think we all wish each other a safe, sane and comfortable lifestyle.  While I've definitely disagreed with RokNRole more than a few times--I do wish him the best in finding solid employment and in overcoming whatever demons/obstacles he is battling.  Good luck.  
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Even if he is not trolling (which I almost guarantee he is) sometimes, the most compassionate thing you can do for someone is to treat them the way their actions demand they be treated. There's a concept in Buddhism I like, called Holding up the mirror. All suffering is self-induced. To end that suffering, one must look at reality, unsullied, and change their actions accordingly.

plus, the one holding up the mirror in that mandala is none other than the Lord of Death. I think that's something even our thick-necked, head-banging friend can get behind.

 
RokNRole said:
This is like a passage from American psycho

was this serious? I ask not because I have to suspect it isn't but because I don't know about this type of clothing.
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Google is your friend

It seems like you should have time to surf the internet as you have no job, money, or responsibilities to distract you.

 
For the Texas summer heat you might consider going seersucker.  It's a bit of a bold move, but can be done well.  If you do one in a very light blue, instead of the traditional all white or striped you can even get away with your current shoes.

Go with very light blue, a white shirt, and a tie and pocket square matching your shoes.  French cuffs on the shirt are a nice touch if you have matching cuff links, tie clasp and watch.  I suspect you do not, and really that look is not business attire at that pay level.  For God sakes do not go white with bolo or bow tie.  You are not going for the Colonel Sanders look, you are going for a heat comfortable suit.  Give some consideration to your belt and socks.  If you are going with your current shoes you want that to be ironic, not pathetic.  Your choice of belt, socks, tie, tie clasp and pocket square will tell that tale. 

Take some coke along in a bullet, just in case the Interviewer is cool.  You guys can bond over a couple of bumps.  Do not skimp on the quality here. Nothing worse than crappy blow mid-morning on a Tuesday. 

 
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Just got back from Burlington Coat Factory and was able to put this together.

http://imgur.com/a/m8h4F

I was originally going to go with a grey suit but they didn't have the matching pants in my size. What do you guys think?

Everything came to $202

 
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I once had an interview at AXA Advisors. I went in and after talking to the guy, he started pitching me, me red flags went up right away. By the end of the interview he asked if I could start Monday. I said yes, took home some paperwork, and emailed him no thanks the next day. Commission based, calling friends/family, dialing out of a phonebook :lol:

I knew this was #### almost right away without any innerwebs, I was 22 at the time. 

After your first post, I knew this job is that. Then find out the posting was on Craigslist :lmao:

Take the job. I'll set the O/U at 7 days.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
For the Texas summer heat you might consider going seersucker.  It's a bit of a bold move, but can be done well.  If you do one in a very light blue, instead of the traditional all white or striped you can even get away with your current shoes.

Go with very light blue, a white shirt, and a tie and pocket square matching your shoes.  French cuffs on the shirt are a nice touch if you have matching cuff links, tie clasp and watch.  I suspect you do not, and really that look is not business attire at that pay level.  For God sakes do not go white with bolo or bow tie.  You are not going for the Colonel Sanders look, you are going for a heat comfortable suit.  Give some consideration to your belt and socks.  If you are going with your current shoes you want that to be ironic, not pathetic.  Your choice of belt, socks, tie, tie clasp and pocket square will tell that tale. 

Take some coke along in a bullet, just in case the Interviewer is cool.  You guys can bond over a couple of bumps.  Do not skimp on th equality here. Nothing worse than crappy blow mid-morning on a Tuesday. 
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I kind of like the way they look. As far as suits go. I will consider this if I ever purchase another suit.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
I've skimmed through this thread and it's quite evident that it has evolved (actually devolved) into something more than just advice on a job interview.  Regardless of whether we tend to agree or disagree with other members of the FBG--I think we all wish each other a safe, sane and comfortable lifestyle.  While I've definitely disagreed with RokNRole more than a few times--I do wish him the best in finding solid employment and in overcoming whatever demons/obstacles he is battling.  Good luck.  
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Sorry dude, but no

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
I've skimmed through this thread and it's quite evident that it has evolved (actually devolved) into something more than just advice on a job interview.  Regardless of whether we tend to agree or disagree with other members of the FBG--I think we all wish each other a safe, sane and comfortable lifestyle.  While I've definitely disagreed with RokNRole more than a few times--I do wish him the best in finding solid employment and in overcoming whatever demons/obstacles he is battling.  Good luck.  
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Well said although I wonder if some people realise there are people behind the handles, some not doing so well. What may seem funny to you could be the final push to the edge or over. And we wonder why many suicides happen..

 
CurlyNight said:
Well said although I wonder if some people realise there are people behind the handles, some not doing so well. What may seem funny to you could be the final push to the edge or over. And we wonder why many suicides happen..
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I've been saying this for years. Despite the hate I get on here I've never attacked anyone for no particular reason......at least not that I can remember. I don't do so for this particular reason.

When it comes to a persons serious personal matters I say nothing if I have nothing positive to say.

 
Hey RoknRole, I didn't read this thread and have no interest in it, but I think my employer has an open position.  If you have a Physics or Chem degree we are hiring.  There is some light calculus and stats involved.  When I was hired I only interviewed in a shirt/tie, no coat.

 
Dedfin said:
Hey RoknRole, I didn't read this thread and have no interest in it, but I think my employer has an open position.  If you have a Physics or Chem degree we are hiring.  There is some light calculus and stats involved.  When I was hired I only interviewed in a shirt/tie, no coat.
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I don't have the degrees but thanks

 
CurlyNight said:
Well said although I wonder if some people realise there are people behind the handles, some not doing so well. What may seem funny to you could be the final push to the edge or over. And we wonder why many suicides happen..
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Things like this do happen.  On bodybuilding.com forums there was a guy that had some trouble and other posters egged him on to kill himself.  He did and I think he recorded it.  Tragic.

 
RokNRole said:
I've been saying this for years. Despite the hate I get on here I've never attacked anyone for no particular reason......at least not that I can remember. I don't do so for this particular reason.

When it comes to a persons serious personal matters I say nothing if I have nothing positive to say.
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Good on you. Better safe than sorry. Best wishes for finding a suitable job (see what I did there?) :)

 
Dedfin said:
Things like this do happen.  On bodybuilding.com forums there was a guy that had some trouble and other posters egged him on to kill himself.  He did and I think he recorded it.  Tragic.
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I know someone who I never thought would off themselves finally be driven to the edge over a seemingly innocent "fun" mockery of a message. This person has it worst than jail in having to live with himself, assuming this person has any sense of compassion.

 
Rok- I would call the company and ask about attire. A jacket may be a bit much for this place. Try to find out as much about this place and what they do before the interview so you look interested. Good luck!

 
CurlyNight said:
Good on you. Better safe than sorry. Best wishes for finding a suitable job (see what I did there?) :)
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Thanks. I have several good leads on the works. Most of what I'm looking at is blue collar but I think if I come in dressed much more professionally than most applicants I should be a shoe in at one of them.

Someone even made a good point to me today that's it's not uncommon for someone to come in overdressed and overprepared for an interview and be

offered a position higher up the totem pole that may not be advertised.

 
CurlyNight said:
Rok- I would call the company and ask about attire. A jacket may be a bit much for this place. Try to find out as much about this place and what they do before the interview so you look interested. Good luck!
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It's an insurance company.

I emailed the guy back to ask if the compensation is mostly reliant on commission and he never responded. I'm going to find out tomorrow morning what's going on. Worst case scenario it's a job search activity for unemployment when they request my logs.

 
RokNRole said:
Thanks. I have several good leads on the works. Most of what I'm looking at is blue collar but I think if I come in dressed much more professionally than most applicants I should be a shoe in at one of them.

Someone even made a good point to me today that's it's not uncommon for someone to come in overdressed and overprepared for an interview and be

offered a position higher up the totem pole that may not be advertised.
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I don't know your qualifications but the being offered something higher up would take not only an opening but a lot of experience. Focus on this job. I would call and find out what people wear to interviews for such a job. People do it all the time. That way you'll go in looking like you fit in and not over or under dressed for the position.

 
Dedfin said:
Ohh ok, well best of luck.  Good chance you may only need a shirt/tie for interviews.  I mean wearing a coat is dumb and most people realize it by now.
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It's an insurance company and the guy said "professional business attire".

What do you think?

 
RokNRole said:
It's an insurance company.

I emailed the guy back to ask if the compensation is mostly reliant on commission and he never responded. I'm going to find out tomorrow morning what's going on. Worst case scenario it's a job search activity for unemployment when they request my logs.
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Don't ask questions about compensation before you meet the guy. That should be the last thing to ask if it's not made clear how it works. At the interview ask questions that show you are interested in the job itself, not about the money off the bat. Employers want people who are interested in the job itself.

 
Dedfin said:
I may not know how business people dress since I'm in a different field.  That sounds to me like shirt/tie/shiny shoes.
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I just in overdressed with a jacket and look like a fool that's trying to appear more professional than he is.

That is exactly what I am but I don't want them to know that.

 
Dedfin said:
I may not know how business people dress since I'm in a different field.  That sounds to me like shirt/tie/shiny shoes.
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Nice shoes for sure to go with the suit, but to be safe I think he should throw on the jacket since professional and business means suit.

But if the jacket makes you uncomfortable then drop it. You want to go in relaxed and confident.

 
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RokNRole said:
I just in overdressed with a jacket and look like a fool that's trying to appear more professional than he is.

That is exactly what I am but I don't want them to know that.
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I don't think any employer would look down upon a person showing up in a suit for an interview.  Also, check out goodwill in nice parts of town.  Rich people throw away nice #### all the time.  If you have a typical size, then you might find a nice jacket for 10 bucks.  You might find an entire suit.

 
Dedfin said:
I don't think any employer would look down upon a person showing up in a suit for an interview.  Also, check out goodwill in nice parts of town.  Rich people throw away nice #### all the time.  If you have a typical size, then you might find a nice jacket for 10 bucks.  You might find an entire suit.
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I don't think I have a common body type. I had a hard time finding a decent jacket. I went with a 44 ref and even it's a little tight on the chest and shoulders. They didn't have anything bigger in the blue and I couldn't go with the grey suit because they didn't have large enough pants. I have the build on a strong safety which has always made it difficult to find clothes that fit perfectly.

if necessary one day I would likely have to get a tailor fit suit but I don't have that cheddar.

 
Just catching up here but you need to wear a suit to the interview.... if not just dress pants, tie and sports coat.

Even if you wouldn't even be wearing anything close to that to a normal day of work.

I just started at an architecture firm where the president is slacks/dress shirt every day but the rest of the folks.... project managers and drafters and the like ... usually have jeans/polo.

I wore slacks/tie/sports coat to the interview.  Usually khakis or jeans with polo or button-up for work now though. 

 
RokNRole said:
I don't think I have a common body type. I had a hard time finding a decent jacket. I went with a 44 ref and even it's a little tight on the chest and shoulders. They didn't have anything bigger in the blue and I couldn't go with the grey suit because they didn't have large enough pants. I have the build on a strong safety which has always made it difficult to find clothes that fit perfectly.

if necessary one day I would likely have to get a tailor fit suit but I don't have that cheddar.
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i say this as someone who hires people for customer-facing positions: you're good with what you picked up today. if i interviewed someone and they came in with suit/tie - even though the position is more jeans+polo shirt - i'd automatically take them a bit more seriously. it shows that they care enough to make an effort, and that they want to work. you know this. 

go in tomorrow with confidence, even if you you're 50/50 on actually taking the position, and own that interview. as many in this thread have said previously: it's a learning opportunity at the worst, and maybe something you're going to be interested in long term. good luck. 

 
nirad3 said:
Just catching up here but you need to wear a suit to the interview.... if not just dress pants, tie and sports coat.

Even if you wouldn't even be wearing anything close to that to a normal day of work.

I just started at an architecture firm where the president is slacks/dress shirt every day but the rest of the folks.... project managers and drafters and the like ... usually have jeans/polo.

I wore slacks/tie/sports coat to the interview.  Usually khakis or jeans with polo or button-up for work now though. 
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I spent $90 on it and already removed the tag so I'm definitely wearing it.

This kind of stuff is just so far out of my comfort zone I'm panicking over it.

 
RokNRole said:
I spent $90 on it and already removed the tag so I'm definitely wearing it.

This kind of stuff is just so far out of my comfort zone I'm panicking over it.
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Everyone is nervous at a job interview. Key is go prepared. Know in advance what questions you want to ask, besides compensation. Ask about the company. Know a thing or two about the company. If they have a website, go study it to find out details on them to use as part of your interest. As stated already, at the very least it's a good experience. The more interviews you do the more relaxed and confident you become so don't get discouraged if this one doesn't pan out in the end. Go in really wanting to learn about the position itself and sharing what knowledge about them you've uncovered from their website or doing a google on them. That's for any job no matter blue collar or white.

If you're worried about forgetting info/questions to ask, take a nice notepad with it on there. There's nothing wrong with having notes. Shows you're interested by spending time beforehand thinking about it.

 
Absolutely nothing wrong with wearing a suit to an interview. It can't hurt, and it might help. 

Like Melania knows, dress for the job you want, not the job you have. 

 
Quint said:
i say this as someone who hires people for customer-facing positions: you're good with what you picked up today. if i interviewed someone and they came in with suit/tie - even though the position is more jeans+polo shirt - i'd automatically take them a bit more seriously. it shows that they care enough to make an effort, and that they want to work. you know this. 

go in tomorrow with confidence, even if you you're 50/50 on actually taking the position, and own that interview. as many in this thread have said previously: it's a learning opportunity at the worst, and maybe something you're going to be interested in long term. good luck. 
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Thanks.

I think I'll be ok coming across as confident and charming. My biggest concern is i know next to nothing about life/health. I don't even have insurance of my own.

I have nothing on my resume related to it so I can't imagine he's expecting I know anything. I've tried to do some research but it's not something I can make sense of in a few days. I figure my best bet is not to try to sound like I know anything and just push that I am a fast learner.

Its because of this I'm starting to believe the people saying I'm walking in to a pitch for a sales position.

 
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