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I'm sorry :goodposting: but its time togo. THERE I SAID IT!!! Please take EVERYONE with you.

Calling Russ Grim or Bill Cowher!!!!! Please report to Redskins Park ASAP!!!!!

 
I'm sorry :rolleyes: but its time togo. THERE I SAID IT!!! Please take EVERYONE with you. Calling Russ Grim or Bill Cowher!!!!! Please report to Redskins Park ASAP!!!!!
Cowher's name is coming up in Baltimore too!!!I think the skins need someone new, a hardazz to whip 'em into shape. Ravens D coordinator Ryan or Singletary...M Nolan and Lewis will likely be available at the end of the season as well.
 
Lets not overeact here... lets keep running Portis left on first down.. Portis left on 2nd down, and we'll continue to set up manageable 3rd and 4 plays...

With Al Saunders 458696 play playbook, its amazing how predictable the Skins have become.. they must have 458695 different ways of saying "run left" on 1st and 2nd down.

And... Jason Campbell is who we thought he is.. a marginal QB who will "dissapoint" more often than he will "dazzle".

Not sure we can blame Gibbs for everything, but..oh heck.. why not.

 
Lets not overeact here... lets keep running Portis left on first down.. Portis left on 2nd down, and we'll continue to set up manageable 3rd and 4 plays...

With Al Saunders 458696 play playbook, its amazing how predictable the Skins have become.. they must have 458695 different ways of saying "run left" on 1st and 2nd down.

And... Jason Campbell is who we thought he is.. a marginal QB who will "dissapoint" more often than he will "dazzle".

Not sure we can blame Gibbs for everything, but..oh heck.. why not.
I disagree with the bolded part. How can you bash Campbell in the next sentence after you've just finished criticizing how stupidly plays have been called? Campbell is fine and is where you'd think he'd be under the circumstances. If you want to jump on individual players' performances, I'd start with the WR's, and then move to Wade and Fabini.
 
Lets not overeact here... lets keep running Portis left on first down.. Portis left on 2nd down, and we'll continue to set up manageable 3rd and 4 plays...

With Al Saunders 458696 play playbook, its amazing how predictable the Skins have become.. they must have 458695 different ways of saying "run left" on 1st and 2nd down.

And... Jason Campbell is who we thought he is.. a marginal QB who will "dissapoint" more often than he will "dazzle".

Not sure we can blame Gibbs for everything, but..oh heck.. why not.
I disagree with the bolded part. How can you bash Campbell in the next sentence after you've just finished criticizing how stupidly plays have been called? Campbell is fine and is where you'd think he'd be under the circumstances. If you want to jump on individual players' performances, I'd start with the WR's, and then move to Wade and Fabini.
Sorry, its just me being down on the Skins. But, after the last 7-8 years, you just assume Campbell wont pan out. I dont like anything about the offense. Campbell isnt good enough to win games on his own, and the Skins have no one to help him. Portis hasn't looked the same since his injury last year. Santana Moss and Randle El don't scare anyone. The line seems to suffer 2 or 3 injuries year in year out. Gibbs and Saunders obviously aren't working together well. Not sure what the problem is, but I dont think this franchise is going anywhere. Spinning wheels..

 
Lets not overeact here... lets keep running Portis left on first down.. Portis left on 2nd down, and we'll continue to set up manageable 3rd and 4 plays...

With Al Saunders 458696 play playbook, its amazing how predictable the Skins have become.. they must have 458695 different ways of saying "run left" on 1st and 2nd down.

And... Jason Campbell is who we thought he is.. a marginal QB who will "dissapoint" more often than he will "dazzle".

Not sure we can blame Gibbs for everything, but..oh heck.. why not.
I disagree with the bolded part. How can you bash Campbell in the next sentence after you've just finished criticizing how stupidly plays have been called? Campbell is fine and is where you'd think he'd be under the circumstances. If you want to jump on individual players' performances, I'd start with the WR's, and then move to Wade and Fabini.
Sorry, its just me being down on the Skins. But, after the last 7-8 years, you just assume Campbell wont pan out. I dont like anything about the offense. Campbell isnt good enough to win games on his own, and the Skins have no one to help him. Portis hasn't looked the same since his injury last year. Santana Moss and Randle El don't scare anyone. The line seems to suffer 2 or 3 injuries year in year out. Gibbs and Saunders obviously aren't working together well. Not sure what the problem is, but I dont think this franchise is going anywhere. Spinning wheels..
This past week against he Patriots was the first week I didn't see Campbell make improvements from game to game. And I'm not sure how down you can get on the entire franchise with so many injuries to the backbone of the offense.
 
Lets not overeact here... lets keep running Portis left on first down.. Portis left on 2nd down, and we'll continue to set up manageable 3rd and 4 plays...

With Al Saunders 458696 play playbook, its amazing how predictable the Skins have become.. they must have 458695 different ways of saying "run left" on 1st and 2nd down.

And... Jason Campbell is who we thought he is.. a marginal QB who will "dissapoint" more often than he will "dazzle".

Not sure we can blame Gibbs for everything, but..oh heck.. why not.
I disagree with the bolded part. How can you bash Campbell in the next sentence after you've just finished criticizing how stupidly plays have been called? Campbell is fine and is where you'd think he'd be under the circumstances. If you want to jump on individual players' performances, I'd start with the WR's, and then move to Wade and Fabini.
Sorry, its just me being down on the Skins. But, after the last 7-8 years, you just assume Campbell wont pan out. I dont like anything about the offense. Campbell isnt good enough to win games on his own, and the Skins have no one to help him. Portis hasn't looked the same since his injury last year. Santana Moss and Randle El don't scare anyone. The line seems to suffer 2 or 3 injuries year in year out. Gibbs and Saunders obviously aren't working together well. Not sure what the problem is, but I dont think this franchise is going anywhere. Spinning wheels..
This past week against he Patriots was the first week I didn't see Campbell make improvements from game to game. And I'm not sure how down you can get on the entire franchise with so many injuries to the backbone of the offense.
Hard to imagine how he could show improvement under the circumstances. :goodposting: I agree though that in the discussions about the 'Skins the effects of the injuries are getting underestimated.

 
Lets not overeact here... lets keep running Portis left on first down.. Portis left on 2nd down, and we'll continue to set up manageable 3rd and 4 plays...

With Al Saunders 458696 play playbook, its amazing how predictable the Skins have become.. they must have 458695 different ways of saying "run left" on 1st and 2nd down.

And... Jason Campbell is who we thought he is.. a marginal QB who will "dissapoint" more often than he will "dazzle".

Not sure we can blame Gibbs for everything, but..oh heck.. why not.
I disagree with the bolded part. How can you bash Campbell in the next sentence after you've just finished criticizing how stupidly plays have been called? Campbell is fine and is where you'd think he'd be under the circumstances. If you want to jump on individual players' performances, I'd start with the WR's, and then move to Wade and Fabini.
Sorry, its just me being down on the Skins. But, after the last 7-8 years, you just assume Campbell wont pan out. I dont like anything about the offense. Campbell isnt good enough to win games on his own, and the Skins have no one to help him. Portis hasn't looked the same since his injury last year. Santana Moss and Randle El don't scare anyone. The line seems to suffer 2 or 3 injuries year in year out. Gibbs and Saunders obviously aren't working together well. Not sure what the problem is, but I dont think this franchise is going anywhere. Spinning wheels..
This past week against he Patriots was the first week I didn't see Campbell make improvements from game to game. And I'm not sure how down you can get on the entire franchise with so many injuries to the backbone of the offense.
Hard to imagine how he could show improvement under the circumstances. :goodposting: I agree though that in the discussions about the 'Skins the effects of the injuries are getting underestimated.
I keep having a arguement with a friend of mine about how Portis sucks because Betts was running so much better last year. When the entire offensive line gets banged up and misses games production will go down.I couldn't agree with you more that if the WR (namely Moss) was catching the ball more we would be in much better shape.

 
Folks, let please remember that Joe is the only mitigating force in Redskins park AGAINST Dan Snyder. Do we really want to go back to those old days?

 
I'm sorry :lmao: but its time togo. THERE I SAID IT!!! Please take EVERYONE with you.

Calling Russ Grim or Bill Cowher!!!!! Please report to Redskins Park ASAP!!!!!
Cowher's name is coming up in Baltimore too!!!I think the skins need someone new, a hardazz to whip 'em into shape. Ravens D coordinator Ryan or Singletary...M Nolan and Lewis will likely be available at the end of the season as well.
We can only hope. However, I don't know who they'd replace him with. Nolan is doing his best to keep the NE Dynasty going by sending them our #1 in 2008. :goodposting:
 
I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?

Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.

I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.

 
Folks, let please remember that Joe is the only mitigating force in Redskins park AGAINST Dan Snyder. Do we really want to go back to those old days?
It's a good point, though my impression is that Gibbs would/will remain on as team President after he steps down as coach.
 
Despite that ugly loss, the Skins were EXTREMELY close to being undefeated going into this game. I agree, definite problems with the offense, the injured o-line is making things that much worse. Santana Moss is having the worst year of his career. But somehow, this team is together, the D was great until Sunday, and they are somehow winning games. But i agree, even as a Skins fan, I HATE this offense. YUCK.

 
I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.
If Thomas and Jansen are healthy I think they have at least one more win at this point and are being talked about as one of the top NFC teams. The loss of those two was devastating, worse than I (optimistically? homerishly?) thought it would be when it happened. They might have managed all right losing one of them, but both has been a :tfp:
 
Before you jump on the Redskins QB, dont forget he hasnt had a full season under his belt. Hes shown some signs of becoming the QB we all want him to be, and I think he'll be good next year.

 
I'm sorry :tfp: but its time togo. THERE I SAID IT!!! Please take EVERYONE with you. Calling Russ Grim or Bill Cowher!!!!! Please report to Redskins Park ASAP!!!!!
Cowher's name is coming up in Baltimore too!!!I think the skins need someone new, a hardazz to whip 'em into shape. Ravens D coordinator Ryan or Singletary...M Nolan and Lewis will likely be available at the end of the season as well.
Listen, as a diehard Steeler fan who loves Cowher...Washington's one thing, that's OK. But if Bill goes to the Ravens...Nahh, not gonna happen, right? I really could not stand that...
 
I'm sorry :tfp: but its time togo. THERE I SAID IT!!! Please take EVERYONE with you. Calling Russ Grim or Bill Cowher!!!!! Please report to Redskins Park ASAP!!!!!
Cowher's name is coming up in Baltimore too!!!I think the skins need someone new, a hardazz to whip 'em into shape. Ravens D coordinator Ryan or Singletary...M Nolan and Lewis will likely be available at the end of the season as well.
Listen, as a diehard Steeler fan who loves Cowher...Washington's one thing, that's OK. But if Bill goes to the Ravens...Nahh, not gonna happen, right? I really could not stand that...
I'm a bit leery of retread coaches, even successful ones. I'm a bit concerned how much fire Cowher has in his belly at this point, not that he'd mail it in, but like Parcells will his best work have been at the beginning?
 
I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.
If Thomas and Jansen are healthy I think they have at least one more win at this point and are being talked about as one of the top NFC teams. The loss of those two was devastating, worse than I (optimistically? homerishly?) thought it would be when it happened. They might have managed all right losing one of them, but both has been a :tfp:
The line becoming healthy is the only thing Skins can hang their hat on. The defense is certainly good, but not good enough to make up for an anemic offense. Imagine if they had not signed Kendall?? :tfp:
 
yep, the future looks kinda bleak after a 45 point loss. always does.

i will say this, Gibbs version 2 is not the same as version 1. maybe the league passed him by or whatever, but the stat of 12 losses after leading at halftime tells it all. Gibbs was legendary for his halftime adjustments. Now they Skins are legendary for blowing it in the 2nd half. The other thing that spoke volumes was the hiring of Al Saunders. Gibbs gave up what essentially his part of the show. Basically the Skins are treading water until Gibbs retires at the end of this contract. Then they have to scrap the offensive system (again) because Saunders is not here for the long term, everyone knows that. Besides that, everything is rosy.

 
I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.
If Thomas and Jansen are healthy I think they have at least one more win at this point and are being talked about as one of the top NFC teams. The loss of those two was devastating, worse than I (optimistically? homerishly?) thought it would be when it happened. They might have managed all right losing one of them, but both has been a :tfp:
The line becoming healthy is the only thing Skins can hang their hat on. The defense is certainly good, but not good enough to make up for an anemic offense. Imagine if they had not signed Kendall?? :tfp:
If your looking into the future, Jansen's probably done as a high caliber starting tackle. Maybe a move inside to OG prolongs Big Jon's career in DC. Thomas will return and is relatively young. But besides that, another problem with this team is that it is not well built to transition to new players. There's an alarming lack of depth and most of the best players are on very high end deals that make it hurt even more when they are not performing up to par. I'm also hoping Santana Moss' real body is returned as obviously an alien is playing in his place right now.
 
yep, the future looks kinda bleak after a 45 point loss. always does.

i will say this, Gibbs version 2 is not the same as version 1. maybe the league passed him by or whatever, but the stat of 12 losses after leading at halftime tells it all. Gibbs was legendary for his halftime adjustments. Now they Skins are legendary for blowing it in the 2nd half. The other thing that spoke volumes was the hiring of Al Saunders. Gibbs gave up what essentially his part of the show. Basically the Skins are treading water until Gibbs retires at the end of this contract. Then they have to scrap the offensive system (again) because Saunders is not here for the long term, everyone knows that. Besides that, everything is rosy.
Agreed. He no longer gives the impression of being mentally nimble and ahead of developments during the game, like he's dictating what happens rather than reacting. He seems tentative, and I think that the whole process of relearning NFL coaching has shot his confidence. Still, I'll give Gibbs credit where credit is due- he changed the personality of the team and stabilized the personnel situation (though it's still not perfect). There's a LOT more talent on this roster than there was when he took over, night and day actually.

He's also shown that he still knows how to spot and develop QB talent. Campbell figures to be the QB in Washington for many years.

 
The skins Oline is totally decimated. I think given that, Gibbs should get at least a little slack.

 
Another big gripe with Gibbs v2 is the unwillingness to alter a game plan when its obviously not working. End of the Cardinals or Giants games come to mind this year, and countless games last year.

He essentially puts EVERYTHING on the defense. You can do that for one or two series per game, but not six or seven series.

 
yep, the future looks kinda bleak after a 45 point loss. always does.

i will say this, Gibbs version 2 is not the same as version 1. maybe the league passed him by or whatever, but the stat of 12 losses after leading at halftime tells it all. Gibbs was legendary for his halftime adjustments. Now they Skins are legendary for blowing it in the 2nd half. The other thing that spoke volumes was the hiring of Al Saunders. Gibbs gave up what essentially his part of the show. Basically the Skins are treading water until Gibbs retires at the end of this contract. Then they have to scrap the offensive system (again) because Saunders is not here for the long term, everyone knows that. Besides that, everything is rosy.
Agreed. He no longer gives the impression of being mentally nimble and ahead of developments during the game, like he's dictating what happens rather than reacting. He seems tentative, and I think that the whole process of relearning NFL coaching has shot his confidence. Still, I'll give Gibbs credit where credit is due- he changed the personality of the team and stabilized the personnel situation (though it's still not perfect). There's a LOT more talent on this roster than there was when he took over, night and day actually.

He's also shown that he still knows how to spot and develop QB talent. Campbell figures to be the QB in Washington for many years.
Lots of NFL people are really impressed with Campbell. I am not good enough to tell myself, but they say he shows good judgment and vision and will be something special in time
 
Campbell has the goods IMO. He's regressed a bit these past 2 games (Cards game was hard to watch), but considering his relatively short time in the NFL and as a starter, I like what I've seen. Needs to improve that accuracy though, he's spotty with it. Loved the play where he pulled down the ball as Asante Samuels jumped the out route on Moss, then calmly checked down to his next read. That's good stuff right there.

 
Another big gripe with Gibbs v2 is the unwillingness to alter a game plan when its obviously not working. End of the Cardinals or Giants games come to mind this year, and countless games last year.He essentially puts EVERYTHING on the defense. You can do that for one or two series per game, but not six or seven series.
He does alter the game plan. Away from what was working. The Skins aggressively build up nice leads against the Cards and Giants, only to go into a conservative, predictable shell with the lead. I'm all for playing smart, but damn. Run, Run, Pass, Punt gets pretty boring after a while.
 
I'm a bit leery of retread coaches, even successful ones. I'm a bit concerned how much fire Cowher has in his belly at this point, not that he'd mail it in, but like Parcells will his best work have been at the beginning?
I just want to point one thing out about Cowher: I don't think he had much input on players to keep and cut. He was "dealt a hand" and he played what he had. I believe the Steelers front office made the ultimate decisions with players, and Cowher played the hand he was dealt.I believe Cowher had a voice, but ultimately, ownership made the decisions.Cowher as a Redskin would make sense to me.But what do I know...
 
I thought about Cowher as a Skins since the timing would work once Gibbs' contract runs out. The issue becomes Snyder/Cerrato. Redskins fans do not want these guys involved in the decision making process. Would Cowher be willing to take them on? Would he be offered a GM/coach role (these have never worked have they?). Cowher would certainly be a splashy move, the type Snyder likes to make.

 
ultimately, what NFL teams need are leaders. guys who will run through a brick wall for the head coach. Gibbs commands that. they will be carrying him off the field in January 2009 after he wins ring #4

 
I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?

Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.

I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.
A 8 or 9 win team is all a lot of people thought they were going into the year. Honestly I would be happy with 8 or 9 wins, this past off-season was a bit different. Snyder wasn't chasing all the big name guys (I wish he would have chased Moss) if they continue to put a bit more effort into the draft and build solid block by solid block we can be better for longer.I don't think Gibbs has lost it. To me he looks better this year than last year, as far as leads in the first half turning into losses. The only one this year was against the Packers, they held the Packers to something like 50 net yards in the second half. You can't adjust much better than that.

 
I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?

Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.

I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.
A 8 or 9 win team is all a lot of people thought they were going into the year. Honestly I would be happy with 8 or 9 wins, this past off-season was a bit different. Snyder wasn't chasing all the big name guys (I wish he would have chased Moss) if they continue to put a bit more effort into the draft and build solid block by solid block we can be better for longer.I don't think Gibbs has lost it. To me he looks better this year than last year, as far as leads in the first half turning into losses. The only one this year was against the Packers, they held the Packers to something like 50 net yards in the second half. You can't adjust much better than that.
They didn't score in the 2nd half, this is the alarming thing. Putting too much on the defense to be perfect with the lead.17-3 Redskins over Giants at the half = Redskins loss (again no Redskins points in 2nd half)

21-6 Redskins 2nd half lead over Cards = Redskins win by Cards missing FG as time expires (post game Gibbs admitted they were too conservative)

 
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I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?

Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.

I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.
A 8 or 9 win team is all a lot of people thought they were going into the year. Honestly I would be happy with 8 or 9 wins, this past off-season was a bit different. Snyder wasn't chasing all the big name guys (I wish he would have chased Moss) if they continue to put a bit more effort into the draft and build solid block by solid block we can be better for longer.I don't think Gibbs has lost it. To me he looks better this year than last year, as far as leads in the first half turning into losses. The only one this year was against the Packers, they held the Packers to something like 50 net yards in the second half. You can't adjust much better than that.
They didn't score in the 2nd half, this is the alarming thing. Putting too much on the defense to be perfect with the lead.17-3 Redskins over Giants at the half = Redskins loss (again no Redskins points in 2nd half)

21-6 Redskins 2nd half lead over Cards = Redskins win by Cards missing FG as time expires (post game Gibbs admitted they were too conservative)
They didn't score because players couldn't catch the ball. You cannot pin that on the coaching staff.
 
I guess the question is: give me a few reasons to believe Gibbs and the Skins are anything more than an 8/9 win team lucky to make the playoffs and probably not good enough to advance in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons?

Aside from "the NFC is weak, its a crapshoot..anyone can win".. I don't see any other positives.

I saw everything I needed to see from Gibbs in the 2nd half of that Giants game this year. He will NEVER change.
A 8 or 9 win team is all a lot of people thought they were going into the year. Honestly I would be happy with 8 or 9 wins, this past off-season was a bit different. Snyder wasn't chasing all the big name guys (I wish he would have chased Moss) if they continue to put a bit more effort into the draft and build solid block by solid block we can be better for longer.I don't think Gibbs has lost it. To me he looks better this year than last year, as far as leads in the first half turning into losses. The only one this year was against the Packers, they held the Packers to something like 50 net yards in the second half. You can't adjust much better than that.
They didn't score in the 2nd half, this is the alarming thing. Putting too much on the defense to be perfect with the lead.17-3 Redskins over Giants at the half = Redskins loss (again no Redskins points in 2nd half)

21-6 Redskins 2nd half lead over Cards = Redskins win by Cards missing FG as time expires (post game Gibbs admitted they were too conservative)
They didn't score because players couldn't catch the ball. You cannot pin that on the coaching staff.
Well, that may be...but, lets not even talk about the play calling at the goal line at the end of the Giants game.. probably no need to even rekindle that old chestnut. I'm not sure I've ever seen a QB/offense/coach EVER look so unprepared for a situation than that. Gibbs looked like Herm Edwards circa 2004.

 
To the people of Washington DC,

Running up the score is wrong. I know you're mad about the whole Patriots fiasco, but two wrongs don't make a right, and besides we had nothing to do with it.

Sincerely,

Toronto Maple Leaf fans

 

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