Joe Webb (1 Viewer)

[Lobary]

Can we please stop arguing the ethics of playing him. If your playing him great, your a scumbag , if you are against it and outraged your side has been adequately heard. I think most people would like to discuss his matchup, expectations, injury, etc. that has only encompassed a few posts out of multiple pages.

Seconded!Everyone please take your arguments about the sportsmanship over to the thread asking about the sportsmanship of starting him at receiver.This thread should be used to discuss Joe Webb. I'd like to hear what Vikings homers and/or UAB followers who have seen him play think about his chances Monday night. I am very uncertain which way I'll go with my WR3 spot and need as much information as possible.How will the coaching staff gameplan the Bears defense? Will they keep it simple and try to run it with Peterson, or will we see some wildcat plays with Webb and Harvin? Will they throw it deep to Rice? Screen plays and quick slants to Harvin? I have no idea what to think about Webb's chances. I could see him putting up respectable numbers (125 yds passing, 1 TD, 50 yds rushing) or I could see him going scoreless and throwing three picks.

 

[GDogg]

That's terrible sportsmanship! Why are you exploiting a setup knowing that you are removing an eligible player from the player pool for teams that are actually in it.

As an aside, what if some owner wanted to play him at QB?

As I indicated, I'm in the consolation brackets. Am I not supposed to try to win that? I'm removing him as an eligible player because there are a bunch of drama queens in that league. If a team in the running for money picked him up and attempted starting him at flex, I can guarantee that I'd have an e-mail chain at least 20 e-mails long with people trading profanities at each other. It's for my own sanity.

(And it's a 10-team league; there are plenty of better QBs available on waivers, so lack of QBs is not really an issue.)

What do you win/lose by winning the consolation bracket? You're right, "there are a bunch of drama queens in that league".Any team that is out of the playoffs and not playing for a prize this year, should not be allowed to add/drop players. Just my opinion, but I'd think in most leagues if a guy out of contention was picking up and dropping players there'd be a much larger email chain.

I win the bragging rights associated with Yahoo's 5th place trophy.You are raising more of an issue about me picking up Webb than anybody in the league has, as no one in the league has said anything about it. If I was dropping highly-rostered or desirable guys, I could understand a problem, but I dropped my backup DE who is rostered in less than 20% of Yahoo leagues to make room for Webb.

But you also took a desirable guy in Webb out of the player pool because "there are a bunch of drama queens in that league." You're basically determining what is ok and what is not, and you've even admitted you aren't the commish.I'm wondering why you think doing this is ok (as opposed to someone who is in the money rostering Webb and actually playing him at either QB or WR).

 

[Abraham]

But you also took a desirable guy in Webb out of the player pool because "there are a bunch of drama queens in that league." You're basically determining what is ok and what is not, and you've even admitted you aren't the commish.I'm wondering why you think doing this is ok (as opposed to someone who is in the money rostering Webb and actually playing him at either QB or WR).

I'm checking in late, admittedly, but can you explain to me why it isn't okay to take the player on the waiver wire for ANY reason? Strategy doesn't stop when the playoffs begin.

 

[footballnerd]

(KFFL) The Minnesota Vikings likely will alter their offense for Week 15 in order to tailor the offense to expected starter QB Joe Webb's athletic abilities, reports Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

I see some decent rushing yard potential here, but is it enough to start him?

 

[Hanz]

Someone should start a new thread to discuss Joe Webb and his potential for Monday.

 

[footballnerd]

Those discussing Joe Webb ethics take the discussion here.

Get the out of this thread!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL.

Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?

Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why.

2 words...Julius Peppers

 

[Tat]

one league I am starting him in gives points per completions, thats the only way I start him.

 

[Lobary]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

Fair points, and certainly worth thinking about, but two more words...Percy Harvin.A quick slant to Harvin could get housed easily. Or a dump off to Peterson.

 

[Lobary]

Fwiw Harvin is expected to play Monday night.

"Feeling great now," Harvin said Friday in the locker room before practice. "I had a bad two weeks. I think the last week was more precautionary, seeing how I react to a lot of the new medicines I was on."

Harvin also said his conditioning is not an issue despite the missed practice time and games.

"A lot of the players say I look more explosive now than I did before I left," he said. "It was just good to get out there and not have a foggy head or a slight headache. It was good to get out there and be able to play with a clear mind."

LINK

 

[GDogg]

But you also took a desirable guy in Webb out of the player pool because "there are a bunch of drama queens in that league." You're basically determining what is ok and what is not, and you've even admitted you aren't the commish.I'm wondering why you think doing this is ok (as opposed to someone who is in the money rostering Webb and actually playing him at either QB or WR).

I'm checking in late, admittedly, but can you explain to me why it isn't okay to take the player on the waiver wire for ANY reason? Strategy doesn't stop when the playoffs begin.

Sure, if you are eliminated from playoff contention, you should no longer be taking players off the waiver wire, which could help those that are still in the playoffs. If Don Quixote were still alive, and took Webb and buried him, then that's "strategy."I'm not sure I understand what the "strategy" is when a dead team takes a player off the waiver wire.I agree that strategy doesn't stop when the playoffs begin. I'm not sure I agree that strategy doesn't stop for those teams who are eliminated the second they are eliminated. This opens up the issue of collusion.But, I'd argue it's far more egregious for a team who is no longer in contention to pluck players from the waiver wire that those in contention could use than to play Joe Webb at his listed Yahoo! position.

 

[Sweet Love]

(KFFL) The Minnesota Vikings likely will alter their offense for Week 15 in order to tailor the offense to expected starter QB Joe Webb's athletic abilities, reports Judd Zulgad, of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

I see some decent rushing yard potential here, but is it enough to start him?

Big question...passing yards I assume will be weak (would be shocked if he got over 175), but the INTs (or potential given the waether and the Bear's Defense) are really what has my attention. Guy throws 3 picks and any TD(s) he throws are a wash...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

Fair points, and certainly worth thinking about, but two more words...Percy Harvin.A quick slant to Harvin could get housed easily. Or a dump off to Peterson.

Name a 3rd string QB that has been worth a spit this year. And in the MNF game I watched him very closely. He never once tried to go deep up the sidelines when they were well behind in the game. Granted he had no snaps but he wasn't even looking for Rice along the sidelines and that was his best WR. So yeah Harvin might get some tosses his way but don't think for a second that Urlacher isn't gonna know the same thing. Webb has almsot zero impact on the long passing game and won't stretch the field. For the Bears on defense it is gonna feel like the field is 25 yards not 100, and for the Vikes the field is going to feel like it's 300 yards not 100 on offense.

 

[faulknromos]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

I'm from Birmingham. You should take me up on a bet since I could be a homer. I'll take over 6 points. How much?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

I'm from Birmingham. You should take me up on a bet since I could be a homer. I'll take over 6 points. How much?

I'd like to know how many points you project him for too. If you have him projected for less than 10-12 then we aren't really fighting over much. I could post 10-12, that's middle of the road but I took a position. Where do you stand other than just wanting to take the over. In detail, I would like to see what you project for him...attempts, completions, yds, TD/Int ratio.

 

[footballnerd]

Name a 3rd string QB that has been worth a spit this year.

3rd strings that posted double digit fantasy pointsDrew Stanton Troy Smith (technically Carr was 2nd string)Colt McCoy and now DelhomeyTodd BoumanThere are a bunch that didnt do well but its worth looking at.

 

[Lobary]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL.

Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?

Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why.

2 words...Julius Peppers

Fair points, and certainly worth thinking about, but two more words...Percy Harvin.A quick slant to Harvin could get housed easily. Or a dump off to Peterson.

Name a 3rd string QB that has been worth a spit this year. And in the MNF game I watched him very closely. He never once tried to go deep up the sidelines when they were well behind in the game. Granted he had no snaps but he wasn't even looking for Rice along the sidelines and that was his best WR. So yeah Harvin might get some tosses his way but don't think for a second that Urlacher isn't gonna know the same thing. Webb has almsot zero impact on the long passing game and won't stretch the field. For the Bears on defense it is gonna feel like the field is 25 yards not 100, and for the Vikes the field is going to feel like it's 300 yards not 100 on offense.

Wrong, he threw a deep pass to Sidney Rice down the sideline that was nearly a TD on the last play of the game. I was sweating that play out because I needed every point possible from the Giants D to secure my playoff bye.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Name a 3rd string QB that has been worth a spit this year.

3rd strings that posted double digit fantasy pointsDrew Stanton Troy Smith (technically Carr was 2nd string)Colt McCoy and now DelhomeyTodd Bouman

Add Charlie Batch, who was 4th string before Leftwich and Dixon were injured.And wasn't Trent Edwards 3rd string when he first got to Jacksonville?

 

[Kenny Powers]

In the one Yahoo league I'm in, I'm out of the money and in the consolation brackets. I picked up Joe Webb just so no one who is still in it for money could.

Now this is totally lame

 

[Kenny Powers]

Unless as a commish, you are prepared to identify every "dual slot" player in the league before the season starts and set a policy on how they'll be treated, as an owner, I would say, "Get stuffed".

Which is why I don't and won't play yahoo. A player has one and only one position on cbs. No questions no problems. That way, you can't start a player who will be playing QB at RB, WR, or Kicker or something else stupid like that.

iirc, this guy is also the commissioner that doesn't allow vick on anyone's rosters. he's not to be taken seriously.

We're going to have to let him in next season if there is one. We suspended him for 2 years after he got out of jail. Most people think that's good enough.

 

[FavreCo]

In the one Yahoo league I'm in, I'm out of the money and in the consolation brackets. I picked up Joe Webb just so no one who is still in it for money could.

Yeah, I'm sure they are all devastated by that move.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL.

Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?

Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why.

2 words...Julius Peppers

Fair points, and certainly worth thinking about, but two more words...Percy Harvin.A quick slant to Harvin could get housed easily. Or a dump off to Peterson.

Name a 3rd string QB that has been worth a spit this year. And in the MNF game I watched him very closely. He never once tried to go deep up the sidelines when they were well behind in the game. Granted he had no snaps but he wasn't even looking for Rice along the sidelines and that was his best WR. So yeah Harvin might get some tosses his way but don't think for a second that Urlacher isn't gonna know the same thing. Webb has almsot zero impact on the long passing game and won't stretch the field. For the Bears on defense it is gonna feel like the field is 25 yards not 100, and for the Vikes the field is going to feel like it's 300 yards not 100 on offense.

Wrong, he threw a deep pass to Sidney Rice down the sideline that was nearly a TD on the last play of the game. I was sweating that play out because I needed every point possible from the Giants D to secure my playoff bye.

Not how I remember it all. I was ahead by 3 points, 1st round of the playoffs and I kept saying as long as Rice lines up far wide I am good. He kept looking in the middle of the field.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I picked up Webb in my Yahoo league and am contemplting using him in the WR (like many on this board). I would exchange him for my 3rd WR (Ochocinco). What I discovered is that in my standard PPR (4 points passing TD/6 points rushing and 1 pt. per 10 rush/receive yards and 1 point for 25 yards passing) scoring, is that Webb may not even be better than Ocho. For example:Webb puts up a line like this: 150 yards passing, 1 TD, 1 INT, 25 yards rushinghe would end up with a score of 10.5 points (-2 for the INT)Ocho puts up 5-75:He would end up with a score of 12.5Neither of those scores are outlandish for what could be expected and the scoring is pretty standard for a PPR.

I think PPR makes it a much tougher decision than standard scoring leagues. In your situation, Id probably start Ochocinco. He's posted at least 8 points 5 weeks in a row and is a safe bet for around 10+For me, if I start Webb itll be non-PPR and over Rashad Jennings, Javarris James, Burleson, Steve Smith. Jennings and James are the only ones I see having more than a 25% chance of posting 10+ pts, and both are backups to begin with who would be depending on a TD in all liklihood. IMO Webb's chances of putting up 10+ points are much better - thanks to his running ability.

 

[Kenny Powers]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

I'm from Birmingham. You should take me up on a bet since I could be a homer. I'll take over 6 points. How much?

I'd like to know how many points you project him for too. If you have him projected for less than 10-12 then we aren't really fighting over much. I could post 10-12, that's middle of the road but I took a position. Where do you stand other than just wanting to take the over. In detail, I would like to see what you project for him...attempts, completions, yds, TD/Int ratio.

I think 10-12 points is Webb's floor, barring a disaster, which is certainly possible but unlikely since I think the MIN offense will play close to the vest for the most part and not want him to take many chances. I think Webb's running ability is the #1 reason why he is a safe bet for double digit points. I wouldnt be surprised at all if he breaks off a 30-40 yard run and/or ends up with 50-60+ total rushing yards. Id say something like 11/25 for 150yards 1TD/2INTs is pretty much his floor, and 18/32 for 215 1TD/1INT will be around what Id expect, and who knows what his ceiling is. In any scenario I see 50 yards rushing, so based on those numbers youre looking at a floor of around 11-13pts with a more likely 16-18pts. Based on what Im working with on my roster, I will take that in a second for my #2 flex position.Also, an X-factor that no one has talked about is Peterson as it seems everyone is writing him off to only have 40yds rushing because he's playing a tough D. If he starts off hot and has a nice game, that makes everything that much easier for Webb.

 

[Don Quixote]

That's terrible sportsmanship! Why are you exploiting a setup knowing that you are removing an eligible player from the player pool for teams that are actually in it.

As an aside, what if some owner wanted to play him at QB?

As I indicated, I'm in the consolation brackets. Am I not supposed to try to win that? I'm removing him as an eligible player because there are a bunch of drama queens in that league. If a team in the running for money picked him up and attempted starting him at flex, I can guarantee that I'd have an e-mail chain at least 20 e-mails long with people trading profanities at each other. It's for my own sanity.

(And it's a 10-team league; there are plenty of better QBs available on waivers, so lack of QBs is not really an issue.)

What do you win/lose by winning the consolation bracket? You're right, "there are a bunch of drama queens in that league".Any team that is out of the playoffs and not playing for a prize this year, should not be allowed to add/drop players. Just my opinion, but I'd think in most leagues if a guy out of contention was picking up and dropping players there'd be a much larger email chain.

I win the bragging rights associated with Yahoo's 5th place trophy.You are raising more of an issue about me picking up Webb than anybody in the league has, as no one in the league has said anything about it. If I was dropping highly-rostered or desirable guys, I could understand a problem, but I dropped my backup DE who is rostered in less than 20% of Yahoo leagues to make room for Webb.

But you also took a desirable guy in Webb out of the player pool because "there are a bunch of drama queens in that league." You're basically determining what is ok and what is not, and you've even admitted you aren't the commish.I'm wondering why you think doing this is ok (as opposed to someone who is in the money rostering Webb and actually playing him at either QB or WR).

I have not decided "what is ok and what is not." The Commish can tell me not to start Webb at WR, if he wants, but I have not heard anything. I do have a game this week, even if the winner is not advancing to the Championship. I think it is a pretty common FF tactic to pick up players off waivers for no other reason than to prevent others from picking that player up (such as when opponent needs a player to cover for a bye week). I don't want my buy-in money going to someone taking advantage of some stupid Yahoo loophole, and I don't want to be exposed to the aggravation of a bunch of lawyers (which the league consists of, myself included) spewing a bunch of hot air over whether Webb should have been WR-eligible, so I did what was in my power to prevent that.

 

[Warhogs]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL.

Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?

Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why.

2 words...Julius Peppers

Fair points, and certainly worth thinking about, but two more words...Percy Harvin.A quick slant to Harvin could get housed easily. Or a dump off to Peterson.

Name a 3rd string QB that has been worth a spit this year. And in the MNF game I watched him very closely. He never once tried to go deep up the sidelines when they were well behind in the game. Granted he had no snaps but he wasn't even looking for Rice along the sidelines and that was his best WR. So yeah Harvin might get some tosses his way but don't think for a second that Urlacher isn't gonna know the same thing. Webb has almsot zero impact on the long passing game and won't stretch the field. For the Bears on defense it is gonna feel like the field is 25 yards not 100, and for the Vikes the field is going to feel like it's 300 yards not 100 on offense.

Wrong, he threw a deep pass to Sidney Rice down the sideline that was nearly a TD on the last play of the game. I was sweating that play out because I needed every point possible from the Giants D to secure my playoff bye.

Not how I remember it all. I was ahead by 3 points, 1st round of the playoffs and I kept saying as long as Rice lines up far wide I am good. He kept looking in the middle of the field.

I wasn't watching the game that closely but I thought the first time he came in his first pass was a deep pass down the sideline and I thought Rice almost came down with it? I wasn't paying close attention though.

 

[Lobary]

Not how I remember it all. I was ahead by 3 points, 1st round of the playoffs and I kept saying as long as Rice lines up far wide I am good. He kept looking in the middle of the field.

He definitely threw it to Rice deep on that last play. It's in the boxscore.2-3-NYG 31 03) (Shotgun) 14-J.Webb pass incomplete deep right to 18-S.Rice (34-D.Grant).

END GAME

 

[Abraham]

Sure, if you are eliminated from playoff contention, you should no longer be taking players off the waiver wire, which could help those that are still in the playoffs. If Don Quixote were still alive, and took Webb and buried him, then that's "strategy."I'm not sure I understand what the "strategy" is when a dead team takes a player off the waiver wire.I agree that strategy doesn't stop when the playoffs begin. I'm not sure I agree that strategy doesn't stop for those teams who are eliminated the second they are eliminated. This opens up the issue of collusion.But, I'd argue it's far more egregious for a team who is no longer in contention to pluck players from the waiver wire that those in contention could use than to play Joe Webb at his listed Yahoo! position.

But his team isn't eliminated - he's playing for 5th place still.

 

[two_dollars]

People are predicting 60+ yards of rushing from Webb vs the Bears? You must be on crack!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

People are predicting 60+ yards of rushing from Webb vs the Bears? You must be on crack!

Exactly...they will key on the run all night.. Urlacher and Briggs...fugeddaboutit.

 

[supersecretid]

I'm assuming Webb has played snaps in the pre-season, yes? And those snaps were taken at QB and not WR, yes?Like I said... case closed.

You apparently have no idea what the word "starts" means despite using it in your rules. Also, "I have the right" is a terrible way to word a rule. You just get to decide for yourself whether or not to change the guys position once he starts at, and plays exclusively at, one position for 2 games?The condescending wink when you're so far off-base is the last straw to make me conclude that you are really bad at being commish.

 

[Jed]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL.

Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?

Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why.

2 words...Julius Peppers

Fair points, and certainly worth thinking about, but two more words...Percy Harvin.A quick slant to Harvin could get housed easily. Or a dump off to Peterson.

Name a 3rd string QB that has been worth a spit this year. And in the MNF game I watched him very closely. He never once tried to go deep up the sidelines when they were well behind in the game. Granted he had no snaps but he wasn't even looking for Rice along the sidelines and that was his best WR. So yeah Harvin might get some tosses his way but don't think for a second that Urlacher isn't gonna know the same thing. Webb has almsot zero impact on the long passing game and won't stretch the field. For the Bears on defense it is gonna feel like the field is 25 yards not 100, and for the Vikes the field is going to feel like it's 300 yards not 100 on offense.

Wrong, he threw a deep pass to Sidney Rice down the sideline that was nearly a TD on the last play of the game. I was sweating that play out because I needed every point possible from the Giants D to secure my playoff bye.

Not how I remember it all. I was ahead by 3 points, 1st round of the playoffs and I kept saying as long as Rice lines up far wide I am good. He kept looking in the middle of the field.

You remembered wrong. Rice almost came down with it on the last play.

 

[goldenchild]

I'm assuming Webb has played snaps in the pre-season, yes? And those snaps were taken at QB and not WR, yes?Like I said... case closed.

You apparently have no idea what the word "starts" means despite using it in your rules. Also, "I have the right" is a terrible way to word a rule. You just get to decide for yourself whether or not to change the guys position once he starts at, and plays exclusively at, one position for 2 games?The condescending wink when you're so far off-base is the last straw to make me conclude that you are really bad at being commish.

Do yourself a favor and read the rest of the thread before you look even more foolish ETA: It's even on the same page where I admit that my wording can use some work. Before you go picking ifights, why don't you try reading the entire thread before you go jumping to conclusions, skippy.

 

[zftcg]

Hey, remember when we all agreed to cut out all the discussions of tangential topics like ethics and commissioner rules and focus on Webb's fantasy value this week? That was awesome.

I was thinking of starting a new thread, but I realized there were already too many Webb threads out there, so I'll stick it in here as a way to get things back on track:

I am starting/considering Webb over ...

in my case, it's Wallace, but I would only consider it if he's definitely being covered by a healthy Revis. Otherwise, I'll probably stick with Mike.

One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that Webb's upside is extremely limited. The consensus projection seems to be something like 150 pass, 50 rush, a TD and a couple turnovers. And I'm sure none of us would be surprised if he put up a Croyle-sized stinkbomb, given the situation he's walking into. But can anyone here really picture him going off? 250 yards? 3 TDs? 100 rushing?

So if his upside is in the teens, and his downside is low single-digits, how is he really that different from an actual WR?

 

[Hanz]

One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that Webb's upside is extremely limited. The consensus projection seems to be something like 150 pass, 50 rush, a TD and a couple turnovers. And I'm sure none of us would be surprised if he put up a Croyle-sized stinkbomb, given the situation he's walking into. But can anyone here really picture him going off? 250 yards? 3 TDs? 100 rushing? So if his upside is in the teens, and his downside is low single-digits, how is he really that different from an actual WR?

In my situation, I'm considering benching Brandon Lloyd for him. Lloyd has put up two stink games, Tebow looks like he'll start, and he will be covered by Asomugha so starting Webb doesn't seem that bad to me. I'm expecting about 150 passing 1 passing td 1 int and 35 yards rushing which is about 11.5 points in my league, not too shabby from a WR3.Edit: Forgot to mention, my entire team plays at 1:00 so if my team puts up a ton of points I may just go with Lloyd, if I'm hard pressed for points and need a homerun, I'll definitely go with Webb.

 

[Texican]

Hey, remember when we all agreed to cut out all the discussions of tangential topics like ethics and commissioner rules and focus on Webb's fantasy value this week? That was awesome.

I was thinking of starting a new thread, but I realized there were already too many Webb threads out there, so I'll stick it in here as a way to get things back on track:

I am starting/considering Webb over ...

in my case, it's Wallace, but I would only consider it if he's definitely being covered by a healthy Revis. Otherwise, I'll probably stick with Mike.

One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that Webb's upside is extremely limited. The consensus projection seems to be something like 150 pass, 50 rush, a TD and a couple turnovers. And I'm sure none of us would be surprised if he put up a Croyle-sized stinkbomb, given the situation he's walking into. But can anyone here really picture him going off? 250 yards? 3 TDs? 100 rushing?

So if his upside is in the teens, and his downside is low single-digits, how is he really that different from an actual WR?

ding ding ding

 

[Deadzone21]

People are predicting 60+ yards of rushing from Webb vs the Bears? You must be on crack!

Exactly...they will key on the run all night.. Urlacher and Briggs...fugeddaboutit.

I agree. This is a Bears Defense that held Vick to 44 rushing yards, and will most likely have 8-9 in the box in these weather condition and with a "very raw" rookie under center and AP behind him. On top of that, Webb is going to have to run on ice and didn't he just suffer a hamstring injury 2 weeks ago. I picked Webb up on waivers, but it doesn't look like I'll start him...even as a WR. May just pick up A.Benn and gamble on the train.

 

[Deadzone21]

Hey, remember when we all agreed to cut out all the discussions of tangential topics like ethics and commissioner rules and focus on Webb's fantasy value this week? That was awesome.

I was thinking of starting a new thread, but I realized there were already too many Webb threads out there, so I'll stick it in here as a way to get things back on track:

I am starting/considering Webb over ...

in my case, it's Wallace, but I would only consider it if he's definitely being covered by a healthy Revis. Otherwise, I'll probably stick with Mike.

One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that Webb's upside is extremely limited. The consensus projection seems to be something like 150 pass, 50 rush, a TD and a couple turnovers. And I'm sure none of us would be surprised if he put up a Croyle-sized stinkbomb, given the situation he's walking into. But can anyone here really picture him going off? 250 yards? 3 TDs? 100 rushing?

So if his upside is in the teens, and his downside is low single-digits, how is he really that different from an actual WR?

ding ding ding

My crystal ball is just as fogged up as the next guy, but I'll take a stab at it...LOW: 82.4% probability of 174 yds passing, 15 yds rushing, 0 TD, 2 INT, 1 FUM lost (total 1 point in my league).

HIGH: 17.6% probability of 209 yds passing, 25 yds rushing, 1 TD, 1 INT (total 14 points)

FACTORS: Chicago Bears Defense, Block of ice for a field, rookie QB with less than spectacular college career, Offense game plan = Hand ball to AP and step aside.,

 

[Kenny Powers]

So if his upside is in the teens, and his downside is low single-digits, how is he really that different from an actual WR?

I think he's different than a WR3/4 (depending on how many flex spots you have) because he's a much safer bet for around 10 points.Maybe you guys are so stacked you have better options, but Im considering Webb for my RB/WR6 basically (#2 Flex) and he seems like a safer bet than Rashad Jennings, Javarris James, Burleson, Steve Smith (and Westbrook who is no longer an option) to put up over 8 points - and none of those guys have a blow up factor exactly.I'll admit maybe Im getting a little too optimistic about Webb's chances on MNF, but the Bears dont have much tape to go off of either, and everyone is acting like them shutting down ADP is a foregone conclusion. For as good as CHI is supposed to be, theyre ranked 18th against the pass and are 15th in sacks.

 

[zftcg]

Just did some quick research. These are point totals from my league, which has pretty generous QB scoring (0.25 PPC, 20 yds/pt, 6 pts/all TDs, -2 all TOs). As a reference point, 25-30 pts is considered a decent game for a QB; league leader is Vick with 35.68/game.

Here's how some comparable rookie QBs did in their first starts:

St. Pierre vs BAL: 13.9

Clausen vs TB: 2.7

Skelton vs DEN: 11.95

Hall vs NO: 10.65

Here are the numbers for a few other crappy back-ups in their first starts of the year:

Croyle vs. SD: 3.75

Flynn vs DET: 11.6 (OK, technically not a start, but he played most of the game)

Thigpen vs CHI: 14.3

Average points: 9.84

Comparable flexes:

Mason (10.25)

F. Jones (10.15)

B. Jackson (9.91)

M. Williams West (9.74)

Edwards (9.66)

Woodhead (9.57)

T. Jones (9.57)

Interestingly enough, two of the QBs who had among the three toughest matchups (St. Pierre and Thigpen) put up the best numbers, though the third (Croyle) most decidedly did not. But I don't think any of them faced a matchup as tough as Webb's looking at. Knock him down to, say, 8 points, and he's comparable with guys like Royal, Crabtree, Lynch, and Roy Williams.

Again, this is all back-of-the-envelope stuff. But I think that helps offer some idea of what we can expect.

P.S. I didn't include McCoy, who put up 24 vs Pittsburgh in his first start, but I consider him more of a blue-chip prospect rather than a back-up pressed into service. I'd be shocked if Webb turned out to be anywhere near the QB McCoy is.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Just did some quick research. These are point totals from my league, which has pretty generous QB scoring (0.25 PPC, 20 yds/pt, 6 pts/all TDs). As a reference point, 25-30 pts is considered a decent game for a QB; league leader is Vick with 35.68/game.

Here's how some comparable rookie QBs did in their first starts:

St. Pierre vs BAL: 13.9

Clausen vs TB: 2.7

Skelton vs DEN: 11.95

Hall vs NO: 10.65

Here are the numbers for a few other crappy back-ups in their first starts of the year:

Croyle vs. SD: 3.75

Flynn vs DET: 11.6 (OK, technically not a start, but he played most of the game)

Thigpen vs CHI: 14.3

Average points: 9.84

Thanks for the numbers, good food for thought. The thing about Webb that makes it hard to compare him to these guys is his running ability. Maybe he ends up with like 7rushes for 10yds but he could definitely break a couple off just as easily

 

[plyka]

Unless as a commish, you are prepared to identify every "dual slot" player in the league before the season starts and set a policy on how they'll be treated, as an owner, I would say, "Get stuffed".

Which is why I don't and won't play yahoo. A player has one and only one position on cbs. No questions no problems. That way, you can't start a player who will be playing QB at RB, WR, or Kicker or something else stupid like that.

iirc, this guy is also the commissioner that doesn't allow vick on anyone's rosters. he's not to be taken seriously.

Seriously? Whoa.

If this is factual, can I get a link? That thread has to a pretty good read. Imagine if we banned all of the bad guys from being rosterable.

I can't believe that this is for real....how much you want to bet that a rapist like XXX (sorry, too many to name), a guy that's beatup, assaulted, or even KILLED another human like XXX (i'm sure i can find someone in the NFL), are both rosterable but Vick who funded the fighting and killing of dogs isn't, lol...too funny if true.

 

[zftcg]

OK, I think I found the model for his celiing: Dennis Dixon vs Baltimore last year. Athletic third-string QB making his first start in a high-pressure, nationally televised game vs a bitter rival with a ferocious defense. Of course, Dixon was a former Heisman candidate, he had a much better team behind him, and the game was being played in November (though, unlike Webb, he was playing on the road). Here's what he put up:

Week Date Opp Score QBRat Comp Att Yds Y/A Lng Int TD Att Yds Y/A Lng TD

12 Nov 29 @ BAL L 17-20 60.6 12 26 145 5.6 33 1 1 3 27 9.0 24 1

In standard scoring, that's 15 points. Hard to imagine Webb putting up much better numbers.

 

[Kenny Powers]

OK, I think I found the model for his celiing: Dennis Dixon vs Baltimore last year. Athletic third-string QB making his first start in a high-pressure, nationally televised game vs a bitter rival with a ferocious defense. Of course, Dixon was a former Heisman candidate, he had a much better team behind him, and the game was being played in November (though, unlike Webb, he was playing on the road). Here's what he put up:

Week Date Opp Score QBRat Comp Att Yds Y/A Lng Int TD Att Yds Y/A Lng TD

12 Nov 29 @ BAL L 17-20 60.6 12 26 145 5.6 33 1 1 3 27 9.0 24 1

In standard scoring, that's 15 points. Hard to imagine Webb putting up much better numbers.

After your last post, Dixon's game last year came to mind, and really, is probably the best comparison. I wouldnt call it his ceiling, but I think it lays down numbers to expect. Its fair to say Dixon got more notice out of college and had a better resume, but really everything else is alarmingly similar. Id expect more rushes from Webb but not necessarily a rushing TD. In my scoring system Dixon had more like 18 pts, but 15 or 18, I would definitely take that from Webb.

 

[faulknromos]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

I'm from Birmingham. You should take me up on a bet since I could be a homer. I'll take over 6 points. How much?

I'd like to know how many points you project him for too. If you have him projected for less than 10-12 then we aren't really fighting over much. I could post 10-12, that's middle of the road but I took a position. Where do you stand other than just wanting to take the over. In detail, I would like to see what you project for him...attempts, completions, yds, TD/Int ratio.

13-26 175 8 rushes for 80 yards with a TD. I think he'll be fine against the "vaunted" Bears D and will make his day with his feet.

 

[24seven]

one league I am starting him in gives points per completions, thats the only way I start him.

same here. injuries to my wr's and i can play him at wr? oh yes! im thinking around 20-25 in a ppc

 

[two_dollars]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

I'm from Birmingham. You should take me up on a bet since I could be a homer. I'll take over 6 points. How much?

I'd like to know how many points you project him for too. If you have him projected for less than 10-12 then we aren't really fighting over much. I could post 10-12, that's middle of the road but I took a position. Where do you stand other than just wanting to take the over. In detail, I would like to see what you project for him...attempts, completions, yds, TD/Int ratio.

13-26 175 8 rushes for 80 yards with a TD. I think he'll be fine against the "vaunted" Bears D and will make his day with his feet.

vs the Bears.. with 8 in the box.. on top of a block of ice.. where players are already speculating they may not even be able to wear cleats..I think you are being way too optimistic. I bet he doesn't break 30 rushing yards, and zero rushing td's.

 

[atl3695]

It is going to be 10-20 below with the wind chill, the ball is going to weigh 100 pounds. This guy is a rookie with no experience and played at UAB. Granted he did have a few nice stats and was able to rush for 1,000+ and pass for 2,200+ but we have seen guys do that before and flop in the NFL. Then you factor in the Vikes might be without AP, and people watching too much New England game tape last week and suddenly Joe Webb is a good idea at QB-WR?Stat projections- 13/26 118 yds, 0TD/2Int, and 40 yds rushing...knock yourself out. That's 5-6 points in most formats. This thread went 5 pages? I can't even begin to read all the reasons why. 2 words...Julius Peppers

I'm from Birmingham. You should take me up on a bet since I could be a homer. I'll take over 6 points. How much?

I'd like to know how many points you project him for too. If you have him projected for less than 10-12 then we aren't really fighting over much. I could post 10-12, that's middle of the road but I took a position. Where do you stand other than just wanting to take the over. In detail, I would like to see what you project for him...attempts, completions, yds, TD/Int ratio.

13-26 175 8 rushes for 80 yards with a TD. I think he'll be fine against the "vaunted" Bears D and will make his day with his feet.

vs the Bears.. with 8 in the box.. on top of a block of ice.. where players are already speculating they may not even be able to wear cleats..I think you are being way too optimistic. I bet he doesn't break 30 rushing yards, and zero rushing td's.

He could get 30 on one play! They may contain him most of the game but he will slip through several times and put up 50+ rushing.

 

[Deadzone21]

We all know this is our playoff. One wrong move and we could be watching the championship matchup as a spectator. I'd like to think starting Webb is a shark move but it seems more risky. Payoff is good numbers out of your WR3 or Flex but the risk is a big fat zero, but you have to balance that with the likelihood of either happening.

I'm hearing people throw in Webb's ability to rush, and counting on 50+ rushing yards. I just don't see that happening. First, have we seen him run since the hamstring 2 weeks ago. Second, with all the injuries at QB, Vikes have no depth as QB, and no doubt Webb's being told to slide or run out of bounds and avoid A.Rodgers-type decisions. Third, if the field is as bad as it is, how is he going to make the cuts to "break a few". Lastly, I don't care how good or bad the Bears defense is, any defense will play a majority of snaps against the run...8+ in the box, facing an untested rookie QB in these conditions.

Can Webb throw over 175 yds and avoid INTs? That's the key. If he avoids INTs, I think he scores WR3 numbers. Any INTs and he'll need 250+ to match WR3 spot. I don't know how he'll handle throwing a frozen rock, but I can see an INT or two, just because of his lack of NFL QB experience.

TD's (rush or pass) is the bonus. Can they learn anything form the NE @ CHI game? I don't know. Vikes new coach isn't BB, but Webb may be able to score within the RZ but can Webb get them there? I cannot see this offense marching down the field...maybe 1 RZ visit. I see many more 3 and outs than anything else mixed with some stalled drives at mid field.

I guess my decision is comparing him with my other WR3 options. For me, that's between BMW, Obomanu and Benn.

 

[Clutchfanatic]

We all know this is our playoff. One wrong move and we could be watching the championship matchup as a spectator. I'd like to think starting Webb is a shark move but it seems more risky. Payoff is good numbers out of your WR3 or Flex but the risk is a big fat zero, but you have to balance that with the likelihood of either happening.I'm hearing people throw in Webb's ability to rush, and counting on 50+ rushing yards. I just don't see that happening. First, have we seen him run since the hamstring 2 weeks ago. Second, with all the injuries at QB, Vikes have no depth as QB, and no doubt Webb's being told to slide or run out of bounds and avoid A.Rodgers-type decisions. Third, if the field is as bad as it is, how is he going to make the cuts to "break a few". Lastly, I don't care how good or bad the Bears defense is, any defense will play a majority of snaps against the run...8+ in the box, facing an untested rookie QB in these conditions.Can Webb throw over 175 yds and avoid INTs? That's the key. If he avoids INTs, I think he scores WR3 numbers. Any INTs and he'll need 250+ to match WR3 spot. I don't know how he'll handle throwing a frozen rock, but I can see an INT or two, just because of his lack of NFL QB experience.TD's (rush or pass) is the bonus. Can they learn anything form the NE @ CHI game? I don't know. Vikes new coach isn't BB, but Webb may be able to score within the RZ but can Webb get them there? I cannot see this offense marching down the field...maybe 1 RZ visit. I see many more 3 and outs than anything else mixed with some stalled drives at mid field.I guess my decision is comparing him with my other WR3 options. For me, that's between BMW, Obomanu and Benn.

What's your take if your league gives a point per completion for qbs? I think he's a must start.