Johan Santana - likely done for year (1 Viewer)

[Knightro]

Heyman says elbow pain and locals say they're going to shut him down and probably do a minor elbow scope.

 

[Michael Brown]

Not saying it's a big issue or that it will affect him in the future, buuuuuut...

...shall I go back and find the dozens of posts I made where I said you can't judge the non-trade of Hughes et al for Johan until Santana's Met tenure was over, or does someone else want to do it for me?

at all the people who judged the decision an epic fail by the Yankees before Year 2.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Not saying it's a big issue or that it will affect him in the future, buuuuuut......shall I go back and find the dozens of posts I made where I said you can't judge the non-trade of Hughes et al for Johan until Santana's Met tenure was over, or does someone else want to do it for me? at all the people who judged the decision an epic fail by the Yankees before Year 2.

 

[Michael Brown]

And no, I realize not everything is all about the Yankees. This could be a serious blow to the Mets chances to compete for a WS in the next decade if this turns out to be more than some minor irritation.

I enjoy watching Johan and as a baseball fan I hope it's nothing serious.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

And no, I realize not everything is all about the Yankees. This could be a serious blow to the Mets chances to compete for a WS in the next decade if this turns out to be more than some minor irritation.I enjoy watching Johan and as a baseball fan I hope it's nothing serious.

I was with you and that elbow was a timebomb. He couldn't snap off that slider his last year in Minny. Had a great second half last year, but if its TJ, see you in 2011 Johan.

 

[Jethro Q. Walrustitty]

As much as I hate the Mets, and love to see them suffer, I really like Johan and hope this is nothing more than a little soreness. Unfortunately, in the end, it never seems to be just a little soreness.....

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Not saying it's a big issue or that it will affect him in the future, buuuuuut......shall I go back and find the dozens of posts I made where I said you can't judge the non-trade of Hughes et al for Johan until Santana's Met tenure was over, or does someone else want to do it for me? at all the people who judged the decision an epic fail by the Yankees before Year 2.

at a post like this based on a twitter entry and the assumption it's a minor procedural scope that might not be anything long-term. Way to play doctor on the innerwebs.

 

[Michael Brown]

Not saying it's a big issue or that it will affect him in the future, buuuuuut......shall I go back and find the dozens of posts I made where I said you can't judge the non-trade of Hughes et al for Johan until Santana's Met tenure was over, or does someone else want to do it for me? at all the people who judged the decision an epic fail by the Yankees before Year 2.

at a post like this based on a twitter entry and the assumption it's a minor procedural scope that might not be anything long-term. Way to play doctor on the innerwebs.

Way to not read the first line of my post where I prefaced by saying it might not be a big issue.And by the way, both Pelfrey and Francoeur already said they heard he needs surgery, Manuel has said he's very concerned about it, and acknowledged that Johan has been pitching with pain since before the All Star break.But you know, I'm a Yankee fan so I must know nothing about anything. By the way, if everyone had knowledge beforehand that Johan was even going to need a "minor procedural scope" by August of the second year of the contract, there is no way in hell any sane person would've traded Hughes/Kennedy/Melky for him either.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Not saying it's a big issue or that it will affect him in the future, buuuuuut......shall I go back and find the dozens of posts I made where I said you can't judge the non-trade of Hughes et al for Johan until Santana's Met tenure was over, or does someone else want to do it for me? at all the people who judged the decision an epic fail by the Yankees before Year 2.

at a post like this based on a twitter entry and the assumption it's a minor procedural scope that might not be anything long-term. Way to play doctor on the innerwebs.

Way to not read the first line of my post where I prefaced by saying it might not be a big issue.And by the way, both Pelfrey and Francoeur already said they heard he needs surgery, Manuel has said he's very concerned about it, and acknowledged that Johan has been pitching with pain since before the All Star break.But you know, I'm a Yankee fan so I must know nothing about anything. By the way, if everyone had knowledge beforehand that Johan was even going to need a "minor procedural scope" by August of the second year of the contract, there is no way in hell any sane person would've traded Hughes/Kennedy/Melky for him either.

Way to say it isn't a big issue then go on a "told you so rant." That's what makes the internet great. I also didn't say anything about Yankee fans or the like and for the most part I think Yankee fans are some of the most knowledgeable fans in baseball. Try another angle or just shut it down for the night and come back tomorrow and hope you don't come off like a whiny crosstown rival fan who thinks he's a orthopedic surgeon based on a ####### twitter report.

 

[dparker713]

But you know, I'm a Yankee fan so I must know nothing about anything.

Well, you do seem to know how to turn anything tangentially related to the Yanks into an opportunity to bash the Evil Empire and their self-obsessed fans. So, you've got that going for you.

 

[Michael Brown]

But you know, I'm a Yankee fan so I must know nothing about anything.

Well, you do seem to know how to turn anything tangentially related to the Yanks into an opportunity to bash the Evil Empire and their self-obsessed fans. So, you've got that going for you.

You do know I posted this immediately afterwards, right?"And no, I realize not everything is all about the Yankees. This could be a serious blow to the Mets chances to compete for a WS in the next decade if this turns out to be more than some minor irritation.I enjoy watching Johan and as a baseball fan I hope it's nothing serious."

 

[Michael Brown]

Not saying it's a big issue or that it will affect him in the future, buuuuuut......shall I go back and find the dozens of posts I made where I said you can't judge the non-trade of Hughes et al for Johan until Santana's Met tenure was over, or does someone else want to do it for me? at all the people who judged the decision an epic fail by the Yankees before Year 2.

at a post like this based on a twitter entry and the assumption it's a minor procedural scope that might not be anything long-term. Way to play doctor on the innerwebs.

Way to not read the first line of my post where I prefaced by saying it might not be a big issue.And by the way, both Pelfrey and Francoeur already said they heard he needs surgery, Manuel has said he's very concerned about it, and acknowledged that Johan has been pitching with pain since before the All Star break.But you know, I'm a Yankee fan so I must know nothing about anything. By the way, if everyone had knowledge beforehand that Johan was even going to need a "minor procedural scope" by August of the second year of the contract, there is no way in hell any sane person would've traded Hughes/Kennedy/Melky for him either.

Way to say it isn't a big issue then go on a "told you so rant." That's what makes the internet great.

My point was, there's no such thing as minor elbow surgery. If someone had told me, you can have Johan for Hughes straight up but by year two Johan will need "minor" elbow surgery, I'm not doing the deal.By the way, I didn't respond to the OP based on a Twitter report...I read it on Yahoo Sports and the Daily News websites first, so not sure where you got that from. I wouldn't even know where to find it on Twitter. And not that it matters now, but the SportingNews and other "legit" sports sites have been quoting Twitter accounts of MLB.com writers for the last 6 months or so. So not that I use it, but it apparently DOES have a place in the mainstream media now.

 

[Jaysus]

And no, I realize not everything is all about the Yankees. This could be a serious blow to the Mets chances to compete for a WS in the next decade if this turns out to be more than some minor irritation.

That would be awesome.

 

[dparker713]

But you know, I'm a Yankee fan so I must know nothing about anything.

Well, you do seem to know how to turn anything tangentially related to the Yanks into an opportunity to bash the Evil Empire and their self-obsessed fans. So, you've got that going for you.

You do know I posted this immediately afterwards, right?"And no, I realize not everything is all about the Yankees. This could be a serious blow to the Mets chances to compete for a WS in the next decade if this turns out to be more than some minor irritation.I enjoy watching Johan and as a baseball fan I hope it's nothing serious."

Disclaimers hardly invalidate the remainder of the message.And there are actually minor elbow surgeries. There are no minor shoulder surgeries.

 

[Michael Brown]

But you know, I'm a Yankee fan so I must know nothing about anything.

Well, you do seem to know how to turn anything tangentially related to the Yanks into an opportunity to bash the Evil Empire and their self-obsessed fans. So, you've got that going for you.

You do know I posted this immediately afterwards, right?"And no, I realize not everything is all about the Yankees. This could be a serious blow to the Mets chances to compete for a WS in the next decade if this turns out to be more than some minor irritation.I enjoy watching Johan and as a baseball fan I hope it's nothing serious."

Disclaimers hardly invalidate the remainder of the message.And there are actually minor elbow surgeries. There are no minor shoulder surgeries.

That's true, you're right...but for a guy with a smaller build who has seen his K rate fluctuate in recent years and velocity consistently drop, I just think it's more of a concern than it would be for a guy like Roy Halladay for example. And if we had traded our top prospect to get him and he had to miss the last couple months of the season, I wouldn't be too happy right now.I probably went about it the wrong way in this thread, but all I was trying to say is that the plan all along was to have Hughes and CC rather than just Santana. So far, so good.

 

[Finless]

A huge contract, a hair under 30, moving to NY and the NL, I'm expecting a drop off. Whether it be complacency or injury, it's gonna happen.Mark it Down

Some of the sharks saw this coming.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

A huge contract, a hair under 30, moving to NY and the NL, I'm expecting a drop off. Whether it be complacency or injury, it's gonna happen.Mark it Down

Some of the sharks saw this coming.

I would have thought Clifton would have predicted this.