Johnny Jolly 200 grams of codeine (1 Viewer)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

So Packer Johnny Jolly is finally going to face trial it seems. The allegation, as I understand it, is that he had, in a cup, in his vehicle, what is alleged to be 200 grams of codeine. It seems the officers thought he might be drinking from that cup and was going to maybe consume it.

Here's my question. Isn't the lethal dose of codeine around a gram or so?

I don't doubt that Jolly had 200 grams of liguid in the cup or 200 milliliters, I just seriously doubt he had that much codeine. Seems it was likely a mixed beverage with some codeine. Seems like he was up for some personal consumption, yet the allegation I keep hearing is of such a large amount it sounds like trafficing.

Not condoning either way. The fact that he was in control of a vehicle while apparently intoxicating with codeine is beyond dangerous and stupid. He was probably fortunate he was caught before he endangered lives on the road. It is not at all inconcievable that he intended to drive the vehicle he was in control of, and had he done so lives could have easily been lost. This was a real dirt ball move, but the allegations seem to mischaracterize the event.

perhaps in Texas the volume or amount possessed is irrelevant. It just has always seemed a weird way to characterize the charge.

 

[fatness]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_is_200_grams_of_codeine

 

[fatness]

Green Bay Press Gazette

Jolly, 27, is accused of possession of at least 200 milligrams of codeine on July 8, 2008. He remains free on a $10,000 bond.

There are other articles stating that it was 200 grams of codeine. I don't know what's right.

 

[Lake Titicaca]

Green Bay Press Gazette

Jolly, 27, is accused of possession of at least 200 milligrams of codeine on July 8, 2008. He remains free on a $10,000 bond.

There are other articles stating that it was 200 grams of codeine. I don't know what's right.

I'm going to take a wild guess that it's milligrams, which would mean that he had the codeine equivalent of 66 Tylenol 3's on him, which is feasible. Good to know that our intrepid reporters are paying such close attention to details.

 

[werdnoynek]

milligrams vs grams is a huge difference... consider this - 200 milligrams is like a half bottle of tylenol 3 pills (i think tylenol 3 has 30mg of codeine a pill or something like that). 200g is like 2000 or so bottles of tylenol 3. kind of puts it in perspective.

so given 200 grams is 200,000 mg's .... i dont see him going to jail for 30 years for 200 mg's, but i really don't know the laws or regulations on that stuff. in hip hop culture Sizzurp (w/e it's called) is liquid codeine and promethazine(?) which they drink with juice/soda or w/e. this is why he had the stuff... but 200mg is such a small amount... it's gotta be 200g imo.

ETA: in searching all recent articles it's 200g's - it's felony possession 20-30 years. no way he'd be getting a felony for a bottle of tylenol 3.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...thPvlQD9FRE7MG0

http://www.piercecountyherald.com/event/ac...ticle/id/26726/

http://gnb.scout.com/2/973420.html

 

[CletiusMaximus]

not able to directly answer DW's question, but just using this thread to note Greg Bedard's rather disturbing column of this evening. This guy is really rolling the dice on this case by going to trial when he probably could have quietly resolved through a plea two years ago and put it behind him. I would never presume to be able to judge the job his lawyer is doing just based on the tidbits of info I get in the paper, but I really hope she knows what she is doing. Some of her comments, like the one in this article, don't really strike me as something I would want to hear from the type of lawyer I would want representing me if I were a defendant in a criminal case like this one.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/95460664.html

Court document alleges Jolly "bought, sold, funded, transported" drugs

AP

By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

Green Bay - With a clean record, Green Bay Packers end Johnny Jolly was most likely headed for a probated sentence, even if he was convicted on felony drug possession charges in Houston.

That is no longer the case.

It has become apparent the Green Bay Packers' end could face substantial prison time if he is found guilty.

Prosecutors in Houston intend to present evidence that Jolly was an active participant in the drug trade from approximately 2006 through May of 2008 during his upcoming codeine possession trial.

Assistant Harris County District Attorney Todd Keagle has filed a notice stating his intention to "use extraneous offenses and prior convictions for impeachment and/or punishment" during Jolly's trial, which is set to begin Friday.

Among those alleged extraneous offenses: That Jolly "bought, sold, funded, transported and aided in the buying, selling, funding and transportation of illegal narcotics including cocaine and marijuana" in Harris County from 2006 through May 2008.

The prosecutor also intends to introduce evidence that during the same period, Jolly was seen smoking marijuana and consuming liquid codeine; that Jolly "showed deception" during a polygraph test this month when asked about his use of alcohol, marijuana and street narcotics while on bond since December 15; and that he has attended nightclubs and bars and consumed alcohol since December, in violation of his bond.

Michelle E. Beck, Jolly's defense attorney, said that the document includes only "vague allegations" and that the fact that prosecutors filed it does not prove anything. She said Jolly has never previously been convicted on any crime.

"I could file a notice of intent to prove I'm Santa Claus, but that doesn't mean it's true," she said.

"We dispute (the allegations), and we look forward to having our day in court," she said.

But there's a huge caveat with this evidence: unless Jolly's attorney opens the door for it to be introduced at trial, it will only be disclosed during sentencing. So if Jolly is found not guilty or changes his mind and agrees to a plea deal, none of the evidence will see the light of a courtroom.

There is a possibility that federal charges could be brought against Jolly related to these allegations, but at this time there is no physical evidence.

If Jolly is found guilty on second-degree felony charges, he could be facing a double-digit sentence if the jury believes the evidence Keagle said he has obtained.

According to a source close to the investigation, a witness has come forward who will testify that Jolly not only funded drug transactions, but was present at the time of the dealings and used many of eight cars to carry the drugs in multiple transactions.

The source believes this witness is already incarcerated on an unrelated offense and it's unclear whether he's been given anything in return for his testimony.

The name of the witness has not yet been provided to Beck, but has to be before the trial starts.

Keagle, the prosecutor, was in court Thursday and could not be reached for comment.

The Packers have long said they will not comment on Jolly's legal situation.

The Packers put a first-round tender on Jolly, a restricted free agent, worth $2.521 million for the 2010 season. He still has not signed his tender.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy was asked about Jolly's situation Wednesday before the latest allegations came to light.

"I'm concerned for Johnny Jolly personally," McCarthy said. "He's a member of our football team that's going through a legal situation and we're monitoring it closely, and we'll just continue to support Johnny the best we can."

Asked about the team making preparations for being without Jolly because of suspension, McCarthy said: "With Johnny's situation, definitely his availability is in question. I don't think you can deny that."

The NFL will likely investigate the evidence the prosecutor has even if Jolly is found not guilty and he could be open to a longer suspension than originally thought.

 

[sho nuff]

Its all very odd.

Stupid moves by Jolly sure...but odd also that this happened 2 years ago...they dropped charges a year or so ago so they could use the new advances in some technology to measure how much he had...and none of the other stuff came up til now?

Its why they drafted DL this year too...just all seems very odd for a guy that had no real record prior to this.

 

[TheWheel]

Drug histories only take a moment to be revealed.

 

[Steed]

Green Bay Press Gazette

Jolly, 27, is accused of possession of at least 200 milligrams of codeine on July 8, 2008. He remains free on a $10,000 bond.

There are other articles stating that it was 200 grams of codeine. I don't know what's right.

I'm going to take a wild guess that it's milligrams, which would mean that he had the codeine equivalent of 66 Tylenol 3's on him, which is feasible. Good to know that our intrepid reporters are paying such close attention to details.

Tylenol #3's have 30 mgs of Codeine in them meaning 200 mgs is roughly the equivalent of 7 tabs.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I have no idea if this is in the same vein but keep in mind that LSD possession used to be charged based on weight. It was popularly consumed on sugar cubes meaning that if busted an individual could face a serious felony due to weight of the sugar when in reality the actual drug content was considerably less. Crack cocaine has a similar history. I guess you could derive codeine content based on a percent of volume but the criminalization is likely still in the early stages of evolution due to the limited nature of usage ( from what I understand) as with the above two examples.

 

[Lake Titicaca]

Green Bay Press Gazette

Jolly, 27, is accused of possession of at least 200 milligrams of codeine on July 8, 2008. He remains free on a $10,000 bond.

There are other articles stating that it was 200 grams of codeine. I don't know what's right.

I'm going to take a wild guess that it's milligrams, which would mean that he had the codeine equivalent of 66 Tylenol 3's on him, which is feasible. Good to know that our intrepid reporters are paying such close attention to details.

Tylenol #3's have 30 mgs of Codeine in them meaning 200 mgs is roughly the equivalent of 7 tabs.

So I was off by a factor of 10 . . .

 

[sho nuff]

I have no idea if this is in the same vein but keep in mind that LSD possession used to be charged based on weight. It was popularly consumed on sugar cubes meaning that if busted an individual could face a serious felony due to weight of the sugar when in reality the actual drug content was considerably less. Crack cocaine has a similar history. I guess you could derive codeine content based on a percent of volume but the criminalization is likely still in the early stages of evolution due to the limited nature of usage ( from what I understand) as with the above two examples.

Well...the first charges were dropped so they could work on the technology they know how to measure the amount of codeine. That is when charges reappeared.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Man, Jolly must be realllllyyyyy bright.....

 

[Jeremy]

What kind of draft pick do you think we can get from the Bengals for this guy? :X

 

[Littlegiant]

What kind of draft pick do you think we can get from the Bengals for this guy?

3rd round, easy.2nd round if you go to the Raiders.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Jolly's trial, already postponed at least 10 times or more, was postponed again this morning and re-set for July 30, the first day of Packers training camp.

Bedard's blog entry (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/95774504.html) specifically noted that Jolly was, "wearing black blue jeans and a button-down short-sleeved shirt."

Seems like an innocuous enough statement, but it really pisses me off and actually makes me (again, with the caveat above) somewhat question his lawyer. This is what Jolly looked like the last time he was in court --> pic, and another (note the large "$" tat among the covered forearms). The obvious question - why would he not be wearing a suit when showing up to court for a felony criminal proceeding, fully expecting a jury could be deciding his fate? I'm sure Michelle Beck knows more about Houston criminal juries than I do, but it just seems rediculous to me to have your client wearing super-baggy jeans and showing off his tats in a jury trial on drug charges.

 

[onionsack]

Jolly's trial, already postponed at least 10 times or more, was postponed again this morning and re-set for July 30, the first day of Packers training camp.

Bedard's blog entry (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/95774504.html) specifically noted that Jolly was, "wearing black blue jeans and a button-down short-sleeved shirt."

Seems like an innocuous enough statement, but it really pisses me off and actually makes me (again, with the caveat above) somewhat question his lawyer. This is what Jolly looked like the last time he was in court --> pic, and another (note the large "$" tat among the covered forearms). The obvious question - why would he not be wearing a suit when showing up to court for a felony criminal proceeding, fully expecting a jury could be deciding his fate? I'm sure Michelle Beck knows more about Houston criminal juries than I do, but it just seems rediculous to me to have your client wearing super-baggy jeans and showing off his tats in a jury trial on drug charges.

Lookin' like a fool with your pants on the ground

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I didn't realize how effective Jolly was last year, he could really hurt that D.

Kevin Seifert

Jolly too valuable to cut loose?

"The fact is Jolly had a really good season in 2009 and proved well-suited for the Packers' 3-4 defense. He led defensive linemen with 75 tackles, according to unofficial team-kept statistics, and tipped a Packers-record 11 passes. His athletic interception of Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler won't soon be forgotten, and he also blocked a field goal attempt at St. Louis. It was the first time since 1993 that a Packers player had blocked a field goal, recorded an interception and recovered a fumble in the same season. Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

 

[sho nuff]

I didn't realize how effective Jolly was last year, he could really hurt that D.Kevin SeifertJolly too valuable to cut loose? "The fact is Jolly had a really good season in 2009 and proved well-suited for the Packers' 3-4 defense. He led defensive linemen with 75 tackles, according to unofficial team-kept statistics, and tipped a Packers-record 11 passes. His athletic interception of Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler won't soon be forgotten, and he also blocked a field goal attempt at St. Louis. It was the first time since 1993 that a Packers player had blocked a field goal, recorded an interception and recovered a fumble in the same season. Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

He could...depending on what Raji can bring to the table.He could also cop a plea and only end up missing a few games if that.We don't really know at this point.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

"Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

Were it not for that performance they also wouldn't have put a 1st round tender on him weeks ago. So...?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

"Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

Were it not for that performance they also wouldn't have put a 1st round tender on him weeks ago. So...?

In a sense it appeared they were moving on, with the high draft pick used on a DT and the reportedly "permanent" switch of Pickett to DE and Raji to NT, but the fact that the high tender has not been pulled suggests otherwise. Maybe they are conflicted, or maybe they have a plan regarding his current contract status. Two things are pretty certain in my opinion: 1) Jolly is not "Packer People" and likely has caused Thompson's BP to rise substantially; and 2) He had a great year, was extremely effective in the transition to the new defense, and brings a nasty attitude to this defense that it hasn't had since Wayne Simmons.My biggest fear for Jolly (other than long-term incarceration), is that he might not react well to his big payday, which is certainly coming if he gets acquitted. Never met the guy, but am afraid he may take a nosedive once the big deal is in place.

 

[plymkr]

"Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

Were it not for that performance they also wouldn't have put a 1st round tender on him weeks ago. So...?

In a sense it appeared they were moving on, with the high draft pick used on a DT and the reportedly "permanent" switch of Pickett to DE and Raji to NT, but the fact that the high tender has not been pulled suggests otherwise. Maybe they are conflicted, or maybe they have a plan regarding his current contract status. Two things are pretty certain in my opinion: 1) Jolly is not "Packer People" and likely has caused Thompson's BP to rise substantially; and 2) He had a great year, was extremely effective in the transition to the new defense, and brings a nasty attitude to this defense that it hasn't had since Wayne Simmons.My biggest fear for Jolly (other than long-term incarceration), is that he might not react well to his big payday, which is certainly coming if he gets acquitted. Never met the guy, but am afraid he may take a nosedive once the big deal is in place.

My biggest fear is that this thug/drug dealer doesn't go to jail.

 

[sho nuff]

"Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

Were it not for that performance they also wouldn't have put a 1st round tender on him weeks ago. So...?

In a sense it appeared they were moving on, with the high draft pick used on a DT and the reportedly "permanent" switch of Pickett to DE and Raji to NT, but the fact that the high tender has not been pulled suggests otherwise. Maybe they are conflicted, or maybe they have a plan regarding his current contract status. Two things are pretty certain in my opinion: 1) Jolly is not "Packer People" and likely has caused Thompson's BP to rise substantially; and 2) He had a great year, was extremely effective in the transition to the new defense, and brings a nasty attitude to this defense that it hasn't had since Wayne Simmons.My biggest fear for Jolly (other than long-term incarceration), is that he might not react well to his big payday, which is certainly coming if he gets acquitted. Never met the guy, but am afraid he may take a nosedive once the big deal is in place.

My biggest fear is that this thug/drug dealer doesn't go to jail.

Because you know for sure all of the details and that he is actually a dealer?

 

[Jeremy]

"Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

Were it not for that performance they also wouldn't have put a 1st round tender on him weeks ago. So...?

In a sense it appeared they were moving on, with the high draft pick used on a DT and the reportedly "permanent" switch of Pickett to DE and Raji to NT, but the fact that the high tender has not been pulled suggests otherwise. Maybe they are conflicted, or maybe they have a plan regarding his current contract status. Two things are pretty certain in my opinion: 1) Jolly is not "Packer People" and likely has caused Thompson's BP to rise substantially; and 2) He had a great year, was extremely effective in the transition to the new defense, and brings a nasty attitude to this defense that it hasn't had since Wayne Simmons.My biggest fear for Jolly (other than long-term incarceration), is that he might not react well to his big payday, which is certainly coming if he gets acquitted. Never met the guy, but am afraid he may take a nosedive once the big deal is in place.

My biggest fear is that this thug/drug dealer doesn't go to jail.

Well, if he is those things, I'm sure he will. It's clear they're not giving him any special treatment because of who he is.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

partying = thug

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Jolly agrees to a plea deal

Jolly agrees to a plea deal

By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

Aug. 3, 2010 11:22 a.m. |(17) Comments

Green Bay - Suspended Green Bay Packers defensive end Johnny Jolly agreed to a plea deal Tuesday in a Houston court that will allow him to have a clean record if he stays out of trouble for one year.

Jolly was given a one-year pretrial diversion. Jolly agreed to plead guilty to a charge -- what kind of charge is not yet clear -- but the judge will put off sentencing for one year. If Jolly stays out of trouble during that time, the charge can be wiped from his record.

Jolly had been facing up to 20 years in prison on allegations of possessing more than 200 grams of codeine. That is a second-degree felony.

Jolly was suspended indefinitely by the National Football League last month for violating the league's substance abuse policy. He is eligible to apply for reinstatement after the Super Bowl.

This is extremely frustrating. This guy was tied up in legal limbo on a felony charge for two years and ends up with a suspended sentence plea and a charge that will be completely expunged from his record given good behavior for a year? I'm making an assumption here that I'm probably not qualified to make, but I really think there must have been some incompetance if not malpractice on both sides of this one.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

"Were it not for that performance, I'm guessing the Packers would have cut Jolly loose by now."

Were it not for that performance they also wouldn't have put a 1st round tender on him weeks ago. So...?

In a sense it appeared they were moving on, with the high draft pick used on a DT and the reportedly "permanent" switch of Pickett to DE and Raji to NT, but the fact that the high tender has not been pulled suggests otherwise. Maybe they are conflicted, or maybe they have a plan regarding his current contract status. Two things are pretty certain in my opinion: 1) Jolly is not "Packer People" and likely has caused Thompson's BP to rise substantially; and 2) He had a great year, was extremely effective in the transition to the new defense, and brings a nasty attitude to this defense that it hasn't had since Wayne Simmons.My biggest fear for Jolly (other than long-term incarceration), is that he might not react well to his big payday, which is certainly coming if he gets acquitted. Never met the guy, but am afraid he may take a nosedive once the big deal is in place.

My biggest fear is that this thug/drug dealer doesn't go to jail.

plymkr - your nightmare has become a reality!!!

 

[sho nuff]

Jolly agrees to a plea deal

Jolly agrees to a plea deal

By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

Aug. 3, 2010 11:22 a.m. |(17) Comments

Green Bay - Suspended Green Bay Packers defensive end Johnny Jolly agreed to a plea deal Tuesday in a Houston court that will allow him to have a clean record if he stays out of trouble for one year.

Jolly was given a one-year pretrial diversion. Jolly agreed to plead guilty to a charge -- what kind of charge is not yet clear -- but the judge will put off sentencing for one year. If Jolly stays out of trouble during that time, the charge can be wiped from his record.

Jolly had been facing up to 20 years in prison on allegations of possessing more than 200 grams of codeine. That is a second-degree felony.

Jolly was suspended indefinitely by the National Football League last month for violating the league's substance abuse policy. He is eligible to apply for reinstatement after the Super Bowl.

This is extremely frustrating. This guy was tied up in legal limbo on a felony charge for two years and ends up with a suspended sentence plea and a charge that will be completely expunged from his record given good behavior for a year? I'm making an assumption here that I'm probably not qualified to make, but I really think there must have been some incompetance if not malpractice on both sides of this one.

Something is up...or the DA simply had little to really put on him despite the big talk of showing he was some major dealing kingpin.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

My guess, motions in limine were held.

The prosecution was told that it could not introduce evidence of uncharged crimes and bad acts. The prosecution was hoping for a different ruling because the Judge had been so willing to entertain these arguements on bail. The prosecution was beyond stupid in this, counting on evidence clearly not admissible.

The Defense likely made a motion to have their own expert test the evidence, though this time not for contents, but for trace DNA. They likely asked this before but were denied until the prosecutions testing had been complete, but now the Court Likely entertained the motion as some proof Jolly had not left his backwash in the cup.

The Defense likely amended their witness list to add one or more of the other occupants of the vehicle. Often the Court would not entertain such a motion at such a late date, but the Defense would simply state tyhey are potential rebuttal witnesses which could not have previously been anticipated.

Faced with the evaporation of their trial by character assasination and an emerging dsefense that someone else may be prepared to take the rap, and the realization that poeple have expectations as to the DNA a prosecutor can and should show the prosecutors saw their grandstanding getting ready to explode in their faces. They cut a minimally face-saving deal.