Jonathan Stewart going forward (1 Viewer)

[ROBOPUNTER]

So you are rounding? Or redefining the number nine?

Rounding up since I don't view there to be a meaningful difference between nine carries and 10. As I said, if others do that's fine. But I don't. In any event, he only had fewer than nine carries in three games all of last season. That strongly leads to the belief that he will get nine or more on a high basis this season barring injury. And considering his talent, if he's getting that number of carries combined with his proven ability to score touchdowns that's someone I believe has value.

So what about 8?

 

[packersfan]

It's a great idea to use last season's year-end rankings....you know, basically projecting that Deangelo will get injured again. Good job!

I don't recall predicting Williams would get hurt again. Just out of curiosity, where did FBG have Stewart ranked among RBs going into this season? I'm not a subscriber so I don't know.

YOU are the one who mentioned that Stewart was a top-15 RB last year, as if this somehow provided support for your view of him as a low-end RB2.The only way last season's finish has any logical connection to Stewart's likely 2010 finish is if you project Deangelo to once again get injured. It isn't difficult logic.

You spend way too much time laughing and not enough time reading what is being said. I merely stated a fact and that was Stewart was a Top 15 RB in many scoring systems last season. I also clearly noted that much of that was due to the production he put up late when Williams was injured. Curious how you decided to ignore that. Once again I ask - where did FBG have Stewart ranked going into this season?

 

[Bayhawks]

To get those TDs and FF points, you'd have to start him consistently, and as you posted above, that's not a good thing. Thank you for admitting it.

I said it wouldn't be a good thing to start him consistently as a RB2. I never said it would be a bad thing to start him consistently as a RB3. And ROBOPUNTER, I think if people want to focus on nine carries not being 10 that is nitpicking. Just my opinion.

I will agree that in a start 3 RB league, he's a decent RB3, because your other options are likely crap. However, if we are talking about a flex position, you'd be stupid to start him over a WR who would likely get you more consistent points, without the risk of getting nothing or the reward of getting a lot of points.

 

[packersfan]

So you are rounding? Or redefining the number nine?

Rounding up since I don't view there to be a meaningful difference between nine carries and 10. As I said, if others do that's fine. But I don't. In any event, he only had fewer than nine carries in three games all of last season. That strongly leads to the belief that he will get nine or more on a high basis this season barring injury. And considering his talent, if he's getting that number of carries combined with his proven ability to score touchdowns that's someone I believe has value.

So what about 8?

Nope. A lot of focus here on the wrong things in my opinion.

 

[Bayhawks]

You spend way too much time laughing and not enough time reading what is being said. I merely stated a fact and that was Stewart was a Top 15 RB in many scoring systems last season. I also clearly noted that much of that was due to the production he put up late when Williams was injured. Curious how you decided to ignore that. Once again I ask - where did FBG have Stewart ranked going into this season?

But you aren't looking at facts. In 2008, when WIlliams was healthy all year, Stewart ended up RB24. Last year, before Williams got hurt, Stewart was RB26. That's not a good RB2. In a 12 team league, he shouldn't be starting as a RB2. You keep saying he has value as a RB2, but the facts don't back that up.ETA-I have no idea where FBG ranked Stewart, because I didn't subscribe this year, but most places that I saw had him right around the top 15, which was way too high, IMO.

 

[packersfan]

THOSE STATS DON'T MATTER!

Pretty sure all stats matter. They tell us about the ceiling Stewart could have if given a larger role. That's why I would view him as a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3 because he's proven he can be a big-time RB when given a chance to start. That doesn't mean I would consistently start him as a RB2 but if we're looking at RBs in the 20-25 range he's someone I'd view as having more upside than many of the others due to the stats he has produced when more carries have come his way.I'm really not sure why this is so difficult to figure out. It should be rather obvious. You don't draft Stewart with the belief that Williams is going to get hurt. You draft him because you believe in his talent, his role and the potential for what he could do should that role increase.

 

[packersfan]

You spend way too much time laughing and not enough time reading what is being said. I merely stated a fact and that was Stewart was a Top 15 RB in many scoring systems last season. I also clearly noted that much of that was due to the production he put up late when Williams was injured. Curious how you decided to ignore that. Once again I ask - where did FBG have Stewart ranked going into this season?

But you aren't looking at facts. In 2008, when WIlliams was healthy all year, Stewart ended up RB24. Last year, before Williams got hurt, Stewart was RB26.

So in other words he was a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3.

 

[Bayhawks]

Nope.

A lot of focus here on the wrong things in my opinion.

You're absolutely right. Look at my previous post. Why do you insist that Stewart has value as a RB2, when the facts don't back that up?

 

[packersfan]

Nope.

A lot of focus here on the wrong things in my opinion.

You're absolutely right. Look at my previous post. Why do you insist that Stewart has value as a RB2, when the facts don't back that up?

Go back and read what I've written. I've been very clear and even clarified further two posts above.

 

[Bayhawks]

So in other words he was a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3.

Seriously???? In a 12 team league, he would have been THE WORST RB2 possible in 2008. He would not have been a viable RB2 in 2009 (before Williams got hurt). If you are happy with the worst possible RB2 in your league, then I'm sure your league-mates appreciate you donating money to them each year.

 

[Bayhawks]

Go back and read what I've written. I've been very clear and even clarified further two posts above.

Sure, you've been very clear and clarified what you posted. That doesn't make any of it right.The sky is purple.Let me clarify, what I'm saying is that the color that one sees when one looks toward the sky is purple.That was clear and clarified, and completely wrong, just like you've been.

 

[packersfan]

So in other words he was a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3.

Seriously???? In a 12 team league, he would have been THE WORST RB2 possible in 2008. He would not have been a viable RB2 in 2009 (before Williams got hurt). If you are happy with the worst possible RB2 in your league, then I'm sure your league-mates appreciate you donating money to them each year.

OK now it's my turn to Sorry, but a lot of curious assumptions are being made. Perhaps this is all about semantics. In my opinion, if a RB is ranked 24-26th that makes him a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3 since most people tend to play in 12-team leagues. I'm still wondering why no one will tell me where FBG had Stewart ranked going into the season.

 

[packersfan]

Go back and read what I've written. I've been very clear and even clarified further two posts above.

Sure, you've been very clear and clarified what you posted. That doesn't make any of it right.

I never said I was right. It's called an opinion. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it incorrect. My opinion is that Stewart is a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3. Given his rankings the past two seasons that would seem to be a rather easy statement to make without argument. I'm not as interested in being "right" as you seem to be. I simply posted my opinion about Stewart going forward based on the evidence we've had in his career to date and primarily using last season's data since I consider it to be the most relevant - unless you believe Williams is going to be a Top 3-5 fantasy RB again. Personally, I doubt that will occur.

 

[AngryPatriot]

He's a talented bench warmer until further developments.

 

[packersfan]

Go back and read what I've written. I've been very clear and even clarified further two posts above.

Sure, you've been very clear and clarified what you posted. That doesn't make any of it right.

I never said I was right. It's called an opinion. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it incorrect. My opinion is that Stewart is a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3. Given his rankings the past two seasons that would seem to be a rather easy statement to make without argument. I'm not as interested in being "right" as you seem to be. I simply posted my opinion about Stewart going forward based on the evidence we've had in his career to date and primarily using last season's data since I consider it to be the most relevant - unless you believe Williams is going to be a Top 3-5 fantasy RB again. Personally, I doubt that will occur.

So if you had Stewart as your RB2, you'd be happy with him finishing as RB26?

I wouldn't want Stewart as my RB2 unless I was stacked at other positions or had a stud as my RB1. I'd much rather have him as a RB3 where his upside would then have a stronger impact on my team during the season.

 

[Bayhawks]

Go back and read what I've written. I've been very clear and even clarified further two posts above.

Sure, you've been very clear and clarified what you posted. That doesn't make any of it right.

I never said I was right. It's called an opinion. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it incorrect. My opinion is that Stewart is a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3. Given his rankings the past two seasons that would seem to be a rather easy statement to make without argument. I'm not as interested in being "right" as you seem to be. I simply posted my opinion about Stewart going forward based on the evidence we've had in his career to date and primarily using last season's data since I consider it to be the most relevant - unless you believe Williams is going to be a Top 3-5 fantasy RB again. Personally, I doubt that will occur.

Your opinion is based on flawed logic that you can't seem to acknowledge. When someone points it out, you merely repeat the same flawed logic.You say that Stewart is a low RB2/RB3, and that he has value as such. However, you haven't acknowledged the fact that he will be more likely to get you little FF points than to put up good numbers. He tends to have a few games where he explodes. Those games aren't predictable, however, and therefore, if you want those explosion games, you have to accept many more games where he gets you nothing.

If your RB2/3 gets you no points 10 games a year, and puts up 25 points in the other 6, you're probably going to go 6-10. That's not a valuable RB.

 

[Bayhawks]

I wouldn't want Stewart as my RB2 unless I was stacked at other positions or had a stud as my RB1. I'd much rather have him as a RB3 where his upside would then have a stronger impact on my team during the season.

But that wouldn't have happened. Stewart was going in the 4th round this year, sometimes in the late 3rd. You're not going to be stacked at other positions, and you're definitely not going to be stacked AND have him as a RB3.I'd love to have Stewart as my RB2/3 if I had Rodgers as my QB, Chris Johnson as my RB1, Randy Moss as my WR1 and Miles Austin as my WR2, but in reality, an owner who drafted Stewart is likely going to be using him, AT WORST, as his RB2, and he will not be stacked everywhere else while he does that.

 

[packersfan]

Go back and read what I've written. I've been very clear and even clarified further two posts above.

Sure, you've been very clear and clarified what you posted. That doesn't make any of it right.

I never said I was right. It's called an opinion. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it incorrect. My opinion is that Stewart is a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3. Given his rankings the past two seasons that would seem to be a rather easy statement to make without argument. I'm not as interested in being "right" as you seem to be. I simply posted my opinion about Stewart going forward based on the evidence we've had in his career to date and primarily using last season's data since I consider it to be the most relevant - unless you believe Williams is going to be a Top 3-5 fantasy RB again. Personally, I doubt that will occur.

Your opinion is based on flawed logic that you can't seem to acknowledge.

No, it's based on what he's done, what his role has been and what I believe his talent is. If you believe that's flawed, that's simply your opinion. Chances are, Stewart was drafted in the 18-25 range this year among RBs. I'm done asking where FBG had him ranked since no one wants to tell me for some unknown reason. But I know based on the drafts I was in and the site rankings I saw that's where he was being ranked/drafted. In other words, quite a few people viewed him as a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3 which is all I've ever said I believe he is at the present time.

This has been fun and we'll see what happens. I have Stewart as my RB3 and I'm starting him with confidence this week. I like his matchup and I believe this is a game the Panthers can control or stay close in which will increase their rushing attempts. That bodes well for Stewart in my opinion so I'm rolling with him. We'll see what happens on Sunday.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

So you are rounding? Or redefining the number nine?

Rounding up since I don't view there to be a meaningful difference between nine carries and 10. As I said, if others do that's fine. But I don't. In any event, he only had fewer than nine carries in three games all of last season. That strongly leads to the belief that he will get nine or more on a high basis this season barring injury. And considering his talent, if he's getting that number of carries combined with his proven ability to score touchdowns that's someone I believe has value.

So what about 8?

Nope. A lot of focus here on the wrong things in my opinion.

I think 8 should equal 10

 

[Kenny Powers]

Stewart is my RB1 in 1 of my leagues, and my RBs sucks, so that fact that people are actually arguing with packersfan that he's worse than a RB2/3 doesnt make me feel any better. Do I like my RB sitch? NO. Do I think Stewart is at worst a RB2? Yes.

 

[notme]

Started him as a flex last week and was pretty sure I'd start him this week just because he's playing the Bucs. But man, I'm waffling bigtime right now.

 

[Bayhawks]

No, it's based on what he's done, what his role has been and what I believe his talent is. If you believe that's flawed, that's simply your opinion.

No, it's not. You keep using end of season numbers, without acknowledging how those numbers were accrued. Stewart has a few big games, but MANY MORE games where he is useless as a FF RB. Just because his end of year stats have him ranked 24-26 doesn't mean he's a valuable RB2/3. THAT'S FLAWED LOGIC.

Chances are, Stewart was drafted in the 18-25 range this year among RBs. I'm done asking where FBG had him ranked since no one wants to tell me for some unknown reason. But I know based on the drafts I was in and the site rankings I saw that's where he was being ranked/drafted. In other words, quite a few people viewed him as a low-end RB2/high-upside RB3 which is all I've ever said I believe he is at the present time.

Being drafted as the 18-25 RB doesn't mean he is/was viewed as a RB2/RB3. What it means is that is where he was drafted. Maybe some owners went WR-WR, then drafted a QB, and they were left to draft Stewart as their RB1. Maybe some owners went RB-RB-RB, and selected Stewart as their RB3, or as future trade bait, because he was BPA. Maybe he was drafted in a start 3RB league where he would have more value. You can't just say "he was drafted as RB22, so owners must see him as a RB2." THAT'S FLAWED LOGIC Last year Jamaal Charles finished as RB12. Does that mean he was a valuable RB1 over the first 8 weeks, when he put up virtually no FF points? Because using your logic, since he finished as RB12, he is a valuable RB1, no matter when/how he he accumulated his points.

 

[shader]

Im a huge Stewart fan, but its my belief the Panthers will beat Williams into the ground this year before letting him walk after the season. Stewarts injury has something to do with him not playing as much, but that goes with my original thought that they will be careful with him this year as they will count on him as the bell cow next year.

It would take a deep playoff run for Fox to keep his job. I don't think he is concerned with next year. He better be 100% focused on this year.

 

[fightingillini]

Stewart's value is directly tied to how many times CAR runs the football. DAngelo is clearly the starter and I expect him to get about 55-60% of the carries. If CAR runs it 30+ times a game, Stewart should see enough touches to be a weak RB2, but a great RB3. The question is....will CAR's defense be good enough to keep them in games so that Fox can pound the running game. You certainly don't want to win games with Matt Moore chucking the ball all over the field.

Stewart got only 5 carries due to him being out all preseason. He needs to get into the flow. But we all saw what happened in DAngelo got hurt.......Stewart is a stud and would be a RB1 going forward.

So IMO Stewart is a hold.

 

[Johnny Ice]

The demise of JStew is being greatly exaggerated in this thread. That Giants game says nothing about how he will be used this season. This week will tell a lot more in my opinion.

 

[The Redbeard]

The demise of JStew is being greatly exaggerated in this thread. That Giants game says nothing about how he will be used this season. This week will tell a lot more in my opinion.

No. 24 RB last 2 years, with the upside to be a monster if Deangelo gets hurt? = low RB2/high RB3If you drafted him too high for what he really is and what his upside is, that is your fault. Still doesn't change the fact that if you didn't reach and were able to slot him in as your 3, then you have huge upside on your bench and a great bye-week filler. Oh, and one of the best lotto tickets in the land should Williams go down. If he is your 2, then I would imagine that other portions of your team compensate.The sky is purple = This thread has been helpful in the past 30 posts.Neither is true.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

The demise of JStew is being greatly exaggerated in this thread. That Giants game says nothing about how he will be used this season. This week will tell a lot more in my opinion.

bump??

 

[Bayhawks]

"The demise of JStew is being greatly exaggerated in this thread. That Giants game says nothing about how he will be used this season. This week will tell a lot more in my opinion."

OK, so if "this week will tell a lot more in my opinion" is a good posting, doesn't that confirm what I (and others) have been saying? Which is that Stewart IS NOT a reliable RB2/3, but rather a back-up RB, who will not get consistent carries, but blow up for a few (unpredictable) good games?

No. 24 RB last 2 years, with the upside to be a monster if Deangelo gets hurt? = low RB2/high RB3

19/31 games with less than 10 FF points when Williams is healthy=HORRIBLE RB2, great handcuff.

If you drafted him too high for what he really is and what his upside is, that is your fault. Still doesn't change the fact that if you didn't reach and were able to slot him in as your 3, then you have huge upside on your bench and a great bye-week filler.

62% chance that he gets you between a goose-egg and 10 FF points is a "great bye-week filler?" OK, if you say so.

Oh, and one of the best lotto tickets in the land should Williams go down.

This I agree with, and that's why he's a great handcuff.

The sky is purple = This thread has been helpful in the past 30 posts.Neither is true.

If this thread enlightens people about Stewart's TRUE value (that he is a GREAT handcuff, but a lousy RB2, and passable RB3), then the thread is helpful. Just so you know, this is a forum to talk about NFL & FF football, which Stewart's value most definitely is a part of.

 

[packersfan]

Talented guy stuck in a s**t situation. He can't be started in any league. The problem that I see is for Stewart owners in smaller leagues or ones with tight rosters. It's very difficult to drop him due to his talent. But he's going to be taking up a potentially valuable roster spot for the next several weeks at least since he cannot be started with any shred of confidence at this point in time. I drafted Stewart to be my RB3 and because I viewed him as my No. 1 potential keeper for 2011 (assuming there is a 2011). Now I'm forced to either drop a more productive player if I wish to add someone I like on the WW or ride it out with Stewart on my bench and hope I don't pass on anyone on the WW who I really like. After watching the first two games, there is little chance Stewart starts for me anytime soon unless Williams gets injured. The Panthers are an absolute mess and their usage (or non-usage) of Williams and Stewart has been baffling.

 

[Cassius]

Really good backup RB.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Really good backup RB.

For an NFL team or a fantasy team?

 

[The Redbeard]

If this thread enlightens people about Stewart's TRUE value (that he is a GREAT handcuff, but a lousy RB2, and passable RB3), then the thread is helpful. Just so you know, this is a forum to talk about NFL & FF football, which Stewart's value most definitely is a part of.

You realize you're just talking to yourself at this point... right?

 

[shnikies]

Really good backup RB that is a backup.

For an NFL team or a fantasy team?

Fixed?

 

[FavreCo]

Goodson to wrap up games is the new flavor in Carolina. Man are they stupid over there.

 

[Bayhawks]

If this thread enlightens people about Stewart's TRUE value (that he is a GREAT handcuff, but a lousy RB2, and passable RB3), then the thread is helpful. Just so you know, this is a forum to talk about NFL & FF football, which Stewart's value most definitely is a part of.

You realize you're just talking to yourself at this point... right?

You responded, didn't you?

 

[Warpig]

Put it to ya this way, he is currently my RB2 behind Mendenhall. But he's about to be benched in favor of Peyton Hillis!

 

[monkeysee]

My thinking was that Carolina would pound the rock 40 times a game and the carries would be split so I was happy drafting Stewart as my RB2. I don't follow the Panthers closely. Is Stewart banged up? I am reading about heel injuries. Also what are the chances Williams or Stewart traded before the 2011 season?

 

[cvnpoka]

Goodson to wrap up games is the new flavor in Carolina. Man are they stupid over there.

ya this was weird.