Jonathan Stewart (2 Viewers)

[switz]

HAs anyone listed past/present NFL RBs who come close to Stewarts size?

Earl Campbell

Campbell 5'11" 232 - different era, LBs were slowerShaun Alexander 5'11" 225 - quite a bit lighter than StewartJamal Anderson 5'11" 237 - short successRonnie Brown 6' 233 - short successDerrick Ward 5'11" 233 - bust for the most partLaMont Jordan 5'10" 230 - backup, not a great successJamal Lewis 5'11" 240 - great RBTyrone Wheatley 6'0" 235 - bustJust a few

Can add-Mike Anderson 6' 230 - good in DEN, but so is any RBSteven Davis 6' 230 - decentMarcel Shipp 5'11" 230 - bustDuce Staley 5'11" 240 - wasn't 240 until he went to PIT and put on about 20 LBsLamar Smith 5'11" 230 -never very goodMaurice Smith 6' 235 - who?Curtis Enis 6' 242 - bustBottom line, you can take a lot of different sizes and probably make a list that has some studs, some busts, and some nobodies. Same holds for McFadden and Mendenhall. The game has evolved to the point where Walter Payton would be considered undersized. What height and weight doesn't tell anyone about is skillset- I would venture that few of the above had 4.48 speed. That said, speeds for RBs have been decreasing over the years on average (at least in my perception) as people train specifically for the combine and sport science evolves. Along the same lines, I think it's probably possible that 235 pounds on a back today is distributed differently than it would have been 5-10 years ago. It's a pretty futile exercise really. You've got 3 pro bowl caliber running backs. None of them fit the 5'11" 215 pound mold a lot of people consider average or standard. All accomplished a lot in college. All have good upside. You can argue all day about body styles like Stewart and McFadden, and I think it contributes possibly to a greater chance that any of the 3 of them don't reach their potential. I don't think you can say someone at their size/shape won't make it in the NFL. More than body style, straight line speed, or any of these measurables, team situation is going to largely dictate success. Do they have a decent QB? Do they get the chance to carry the ball, and how often? Are they allowed to play on the goalline? Do they have a good offensive line in both run and pass blocking? Coaches, organizations, and players around them will dictate their success a lot more than 20 pounds or skinny calves.

I agree with your comment at the end... I would venture that bigger RBS have been historically less successful than those in the Marshall Faulk to Ladainian Tomlinson mold...

 

[JAA]

HAs anyone listed past/present NFL RBs who come close to Stewarts size?

Earl Campbell

Campbell 5'11" 232Shaun Alexander 5'11" 225Jamal Anderson 5'11" 237Ronnie Brown 6' 233Derrick Ward 5'11" 233LaMont Jordan 5'10" 230Jamal Lewis 5'11" 240Tyrone Wheatley 6'0" 235Just a few

Call me crazy, but none of these players look anything like Stewart. I would say Lamont Jordan is the closest, but do you really believe they all look similar to Stewart?

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

HAs anyone listed past/present NFL RBs who come close to Stewarts size?

Earl Campbell

Campbell 5'11" 232Shaun Alexander 5'11" 225Jamal Anderson 5'11" 237Ronnie Brown 6' 233Derrick Ward 5'11" 233LaMont Jordan 5'10" 230Jamal Lewis 5'11" 240Tyrone Wheatley 6'0" 235Just a few

Call me crazy, but none of these players look anything like Stewart. I would say Lamont Jordan is the closest, but do you really believe they all look similar to Stewart?

Lamont Jordan's jawline and cheekbones are not that close to those of Stewart, who tends to have a more chiseled, defined facial appearance. I don't know that they look the same, but as far as size, yes, they are all very close.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

How many runs of 30+ did each have?

If DMac had more than twice as many as Stewart (career wise), would you change your tune?

McFadden Vs. Stewart 2007

Darren McFadden

Jonathan Stewart

Last year McFadden had 15 runs over 20 yards and 48 runs over 10 yards

Last year Stewart had 12 runs over 20 yards and 54 runs over 10 yards

However, McFadden had 45 more carries on the year then Stewart did

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I would argue that McFadden was not even the big play threat on that offense. Please see Exhibit C

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JAA???

Im here. Im looking for 30+ yard runs. Anyone?

I'm looking for runs in the range of 42-47 yards....Anyone want to do all the work and find them for me?

Oy

Id

I was initially looking for 44-47 yard runs.....but I can open it up to 42-47 if ID is looking for those too.

 

[switz]

HAs anyone listed past/present NFL RBs who come close to Stewarts size?

Earl Campbell

Campbell 5'11" 232Shaun Alexander 5'11" 225Jamal Anderson 5'11" 237Ronnie Brown 6' 233Derrick Ward 5'11" 233LaMont Jordan 5'10" 230Jamal Lewis 5'11" 240Tyrone Wheatley 6'0" 235Just a few

Call me crazy, but none of these players look anything like Stewart. I would say Lamont Jordan is the closest, but do you really believe they all look similar to Stewart?

Lamont Jordan's jawline and cheekbones are not that close to those of Stewart, who tends to have a more chiseled, defined facial appearance. I don't know that they look the same, but as far as size, yes, they are all very close.

All but one of those RBs is at least an inch taller, and the one with the same height is 5 pounds lighter. In fact, only 2 of those RBs weigh more, and they are both taller.

 

[Abraham]

It's a perfectly legit argument. Playing SEC Ds is much harder than playing PAC 10 Ds. Sometimes things are simple and not worth complicating.

Kind of like when mediocre Pac10 Cal defeated SEC champ Tennessee earlier this year...

It never gets old.31 points, 381 total yards and 4 offensive TDs isn't exactly what I would call the defense "defeating" Tennessee.

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

HAs anyone listed past/present NFL RBs who come close to Stewarts size?

Earl Campbell

Campbell 5'11" 232Shaun Alexander 5'11" 225

Jamal Anderson 5'11" 237

Ronnie Brown 6' 233

Derrick Ward 5'11" 233

LaMont Jordan 5'10" 230

Jamal Lewis 5'11" 240

Tyrone Wheatley 6'0" 235

Just a few

Call me crazy, but none of these players look anything like Stewart. I would say Lamont Jordan is the closest, but do you really believe they all look similar to Stewart?

Lamont Jordan's jawline and cheekbones are not that close to those of Stewart, who tends to have a more chiseled, defined facial appearance. I don't know that they look the same, but as far as size, yes, they are all very close.

All but one of those RBs is at least an inch taller, and the one with the same height is 5 pounds lighter. In fact, only 2 of those RBs weigh more, and they are both taller.

Stewart was over 5'10" and is listed in all releases as being 5'11", so I think it's a little ridiculous, unless we're comparing combine measurements, to say that any of the above guys listed at 5'11" are taller than Stewart. I'm not going to look for all of their combine measurements because I think we're dealing with precision problems. If you want to say a guy that is 5'11" and and weighs 237 pounds is taller and heavier than a guy who is 5'10 1/4 and weighs 235 lbs fine. If precision is your thing, there has never been a running back in the NFL who is Jonathan Stewart's exact size.

 

[Wildman]

Ricky Williams was 230 when he came to the league

 

[switz]

All but one of those RBs is at least an inch taller, and the one with the same height is 5 pounds lighter. In fact, only 2 of those RBs weigh more, and they are both taller.

Stewart was over 5'10" and is listed in all releases as being 5'11", so I think it's a little ridiculous, unless we're comparing combine measurements, to say that any of the above guys listed at 5'11" are taller than Stewart. I'm not going to look for all of their combine measurements because I think we're dealing with precision problems. If you want to say a guy that is 5'11" and and weighs 237 pounds is taller and heavier than a guy who is 5'10 1/4 and weighs 235 lbs fine. If precision is your thing, there has never been a running back in the NFL who is Jonathan Stewart's exact size.

In the NFL an inch makes a difference, 5 pounds makes a bigger difference. So yes, precision does matter.Look at these RBs, who have had some recent success in the NFL

Willis McGahee 72 228

Brian Westbrook 68 200

Larry Johnson 73 228

Willie Parker 70 209

Joseph Addai 71 210

Adrian Peterson 73 217

Jamal Lewis 71 240

LaDainian Tomlinson 70 221

Priest Holmes 69 213

Shaun Alexander 71 225

Fred Taylor 73 234

Ahman Green 72 217

Curtis Martin 71 210

Edgerrin James 72 214

Tiki Barber 70 200

Clinton Portis 71 205

Warrick Dunn 69 180

First, there are only 2 RBs close to 235Lbs... Taylor and Lewis. Taylor is lighter at 6'1", Lewis is taller and 5 pounds heavier.

I'd guess then that Lewis is the closest comparison that's had success. Most of those RBs are at least 10 pounds lighter though.

 

[ImTheScientist]

All but one of those RBs is at least an inch taller, and the one with the same height is 5 pounds lighter. In fact, only 2 of those RBs weigh more, and they are both taller.

Stewart was over 5'10" and is listed in all releases as being 5'11", so I think it's a little ridiculous, unless we're comparing combine measurements, to say that any of the above guys listed at 5'11" are taller than Stewart. I'm not going to look for all of their combine measurements because I think we're dealing with precision problems. If you want to say a guy that is 5'11" and and weighs 237 pounds is taller and heavier than a guy who is 5'10 1/4 and weighs 235 lbs fine. If precision is your thing, there has never been a running back in the NFL who is Jonathan Stewart's exact size.

In the NFL an inch makes a difference, 5 pounds makes a bigger difference. So yes, precision does matter.Look at these RBs, who have had some recent success in the NFL

Willis McGahee 72 228

Brian Westbrook 68 200

Larry Johnson 73 228

Willie Parker 70 209

Joseph Addai 71 210

Adrian Peterson 73 217

Jamal Lewis 71 240

LaDainian Tomlinson 70 221

Priest Holmes 69 213

Shaun Alexander 71 225

Fred Taylor 73 234

Ahman Green 72 217

Curtis Martin 71 210

Edgerrin James 72 214

Tiki Barber 70 200

Clinton Portis 71 205

Warrick Dunn 69 180

First, there are only 2 RBs close to 235Lbs... Taylor and Lewis. Taylor is lighter at 6'1", Lewis is taller and 5 pounds heavier.

I'd guess then that Lewis is the closest comparison that's had success. Most of those RBs are at least 10 pounds lighter though.

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

 

[switz]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

From another thread:

A little more from DraftDaddy--

One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts:

Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone.

Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis.

Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L.

Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace.

Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona.

Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots.

Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders.

Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

 

[ImTheScientist]

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I don't think there is a LT/ADP (uber-stud)in this draft. Those guys come along once every 10 years. So I agree with you. I do however feel Stewart is the best back in this group, and will be a very good pro. Not LT or ADP.....but how many actually are.The problem this year is everyone wants to say there is an ADP this year...... Those kind of RB's do not come around all the time.

 

[Wildman]

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I don't think there is a LT/ADP (uber-stud)in this draft. Those guys come along once every 10 years. So I agree with you. I do however feel Stewart is the best back in this group, and will be a very good pro. Not LT or ADP.....but how many actually are.The problem this year is everyone wants to say there is an ADP this year...... Those kind of RB's do not come around all the time.

I could think of a few years where I would rather have had Lewis over LT

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

 

[switz]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

 

[Abraham]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Is anyone else concerned that a guy with ankle issues weighs 235 pounds? Didn't Lewis have ankle issues as well?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Is anyone else concerned that a guy with ankle issues weighs 235 pounds? Didn't Lewis have ankle issues as well?

Im not. How many games last year did he miss due to his ankle issues?ETA: Ankle issues are not related to weight when it comes to athletes.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Is anyone else concerned that a guy with ankle issues weighs 235 pounds? Didn't Lewis have ankle issues as well?

Maybe not ankle issues, but i am more concerned with bigger backs injury concerns in general.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Is anyone else concerned that a guy with ankle issues weighs 235 pounds? Didn't Lewis have ankle issues as well?

Maybe not ankle issues, but i am more concerned with bigger backs injury concerns in general.

Are you concerned with little backs injuries? Say....under 210lbs? I always thought big RB's were durable where it was the little guys that got injured.

 

[Wildman]

I don't think size has much to do with injuries in most cases. Unless the guy is just really out of shape. If so, he's more prone to nagging injuries. I think the issue is running style. Does he attack defenders or does he do more of the absorbing of punishment.

 

[identikit]

I don't think size has much to do with injuries in most cases. Unless the guy is just really out of shape. If so, he's more prone to nagging injuries. I think the issue is running style. Does he attack defenders or does he do more of the absorbing of punishment.

This guy knows things....Id

 

[switz]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

I've searched all over and couldn't find anything to support this...

 

[Burning Sensation]

Is anyone else concerned that a guy with ankle issues weighs 235 pounds? Didn't Lewis have ankle issues as well?

Maybe not ankle issues, but i am more concerned with bigger backs injury concerns in general.

Are you concerned with little backs injuries? Say....under 210lbs? I always thought big RB's were durable where it was the little guys that got injured.

You thought wrong, big backs are typically involved in contact more than little backs. The more contact you are involved in, the better your chances of being injured, no matter your size.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I don't think size has much to do with injuries in most cases. Unless the guy is just really out of shape. If so, he's more prone to nagging injuries. I think the issue is running style. Does he attack defenders or does he do more of the absorbing of punishment.

I agree, but my opinion is that bigger backs are more physical because they are used to it working in HS and college so they end up absorbing more punishment than smaller backs who have grown up learning to avoid contact and step out of bounds.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I don't think size has much to do with injuries in most cases. Unless the guy is just really out of shape. If so, he's more prone to nagging injuries. I think the issue is running style. Does he attack defenders or does he do more of the absorbing of punishment.

I dont care if you are giving the hit or taken it, when two fast, large men collide, injuries are bound to happen. How many direct hits do players like Westbrook, Tiki, Barry Sanders, LT, etc. take? MBIII is a BEAST, but if that guy makes it through another year or two without suffering some injuries, i would be extremely shocked.

 

[stbugs]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

I've searched all over and couldn't find anything to support this...

Why do you need a link? After a few years in the pros, everyone ran sub-4.5 or ususally sub-4.4 times at the combine or pro days. I always have to jump in when I see stuff like this because I remember jumping into speed threads talking about how fast Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin were, when in reality those two are perfect examples of people running slow 40 times and dropping in the draft because of it.

 

[Wildman]

I don't think size has much to do with injuries in most cases. Unless the guy is just really out of shape. If so, he's more prone to nagging injuries. I think the issue is running style. Does he attack defenders or does he do more of the absorbing of punishment.

I dont care if you are giving the hit or taken it, when two fast, large men collide, injuries are bound to happen. How many direct hits do players like Westbrook, Tiki, Barry Sanders, LT, etc. take? MBIII is a BEAST, but if that guy makes it through another year or two without suffering some injuries, i would be extremely shocked.

Well of course, sooner or later you are going to get banged up as a running back. It's inherent with the position. But consider Jim Brown and Walter Payton. Consider Emmitt Smith. These players delivered the hit first and had longer careers because they delivered more than they took compared to other backs. Think of something as simple as a head butt or a punch as an analogy--might not be the best example but---the person delivering the punishment is using the proper form to transfer the energy into another person. He's not absorbing as much of the energy. Bruce Lee delivered a one-inch punch and knocked a guy down. Did his hand get hurt as much as the guy taking the punch? Similar concept. That's what I'm talking about.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I don't think size has much to do with injuries in most cases. Unless the guy is just really out of shape. If so, he's more prone to nagging injuries. I think the issue is running style. Does he attack defenders or does he do more of the absorbing of punishment.

I dont care if you are giving the hit or taken it, when two fast, large men collide, injuries are bound to happen. How many direct hits do players like Westbrook, Tiki, Barry Sanders, LT, etc. take? MBIII is a BEAST, but if that guy makes it through another year or two without suffering some injuries, i would be extremely shocked.

Well of course, sooner or later you are going to get banged up as a running back. It's inherent with the position. But consider Jim Brown and Walter Payton. Consider Emmitt Smith. These players delivered the hit first and had longer careers because they delivered more than they took compared to other backs. Think of something as simple as a head butt or a punch as an analogy--might not be the best example but---the person delivering the punishment is using the proper form to transfer the energy into another person. He's not absorbing as much of the energy. Bruce Lee delivered a one-inch punch and knocked a guy down. Did his hand get hurt as much as the guy taking the punch? Similar concept. That's what I'm talking about.

Earl Campbell delivered more punishment to defenders than any other player i have ever seen. I suppose you are a bit better off by being the hitter than the one one taking the hit, but how many times have you seen a safety light up a WR and the safety stay down and the WR bounce up? Fact is any contact is better than no contact. I barely remember Tiki or Barry ever taking a hard hit. Point is the less contact you are involved in, the less chance you have to get injured.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Combine Stats - Top 10

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

I've searched all over and couldn't find anything to support this...

Why do you need a link? After a few years in the pros, everyone ran sub-4.5 or ususally sub-4.4 times at the combine or pro days. I always have to jump in when I see stuff like this because I remember jumping into speed threads talking about how fast Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin were, when in reality those two are perfect examples of people running slow 40 times and dropping in the draft because of it.

4.45 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...12/lewis_draft/If you look to the bottom of this page http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Jam...a=N&start=0 the AJC talked to a scout that had him at 4.34.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Before the combine Stewart has been my top back and I base it solely on film study. He might be the best back I've studied on tape in the past three seasons. While it's nice to hear Stewart looks good at the combine, the fact that he runs like a 230-lb Emmitt Smith with more speed is what has me excited about his prospects.

Even after Mendenhall's nice 40-time I'm still convinced owners hoping to land a franchise back with future pro bowl years will be disappointed with him and McFadden.

Give me Stewart, Ray Rice, and Kevin Smith...Smith may take a bit more time to develop, but he has the best hips of any back I've seen in years.

The more I see of Ray Rice the more I think he will be the #2 RB out of this years class next to Stewart when its all said and done. Some NFL team is going to get lucky in the 2nd round. 3-CONE DRILL TIME

Ray Rice 6.65

Kevin Smith 6.74

Jamaal Charles 6.80

Matt Forte 6.84

Jacob Hester 6.85

Anthony Aldridge 6.88

Tashard Choice 6.88

Felix Jones 6.90

Jalen Parmele 6.96

Justin Forsett 6.96

 

[dmac37]

Combine Stats - Top 10

Why is there no Kevin Smith listed for the 40yd =4.43

 

[switz]

Combine Stats - Top 10

Why is there no Kevin Smith listed for the 40yd =4.43

Because everyone has an agenda, and that would knock Jonathon Stewart out of the top-10.

 

[az_prof]

All but one of those RBs is at least an inch taller, and the one with the same height is 5 pounds lighter. In fact, only 2 of those RBs weigh more, and they are both taller.

Stewart was over 5'10" and is listed in all releases as being 5'11", so I think it's a little ridiculous, unless we're comparing combine measurements, to say that any of the above guys listed at 5'11" are taller than Stewart. I'm not going to look for all of their combine measurements because I think we're dealing with precision problems. If you want to say a guy that is 5'11" and and weighs 237 pounds is taller and heavier than a guy who is 5'10 1/4 and weighs 235 lbs fine. If precision is your thing, there has never been a running back in the NFL who is Jonathan Stewart's exact size.

In the NFL an inch makes a difference, 5 pounds makes a bigger difference. So yes, precision does matter.Look at these RBs, who have had some recent success in the NFL

Willis McGahee 72 228

Brian Westbrook 68 200

Larry Johnson 73 228

Willie Parker 70 209

Joseph Addai 71 210

Adrian Peterson 73 217

Jamal Lewis 71 240

LaDainian Tomlinson 70 221

Priest Holmes 69 213

Shaun Alexander 71 225

Fred Taylor 73 234

Ahman Green 72 217

Curtis Martin 71 210

Edgerrin James 72 214

Tiki Barber 70 200

Clinton Portis 71 205

Warrick Dunn 69 180

First, there are only 2 RBs close to 235Lbs... Taylor and Lewis. Taylor is lighter at 6'1", Lewis is taller and 5 pounds heavier.

I'd guess then that Lewis is the closest comparison that's had success. Most of those RBs are at least 10 pounds lighter though.

Is this because bigger backs are inherently bad or is it because bigger backs typically don't have the necessary speed/quickness to go with their size? If the later (as I suppose), then Stewart answered that question Sunday.

 

[switz]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

I've searched all over and couldn't find anything to support this...

Why do you need a link? After a few years in the pros, everyone ran sub-4.5 or ususally sub-4.4 times at the combine or pro days. I always have to jump in when I see stuff like this because I remember jumping into speed threads talking about how fast Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin were, when in reality those two are perfect examples of people running slow 40 times and dropping in the draft because of it.

4.45 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...12/lewis_draft/If you look to the bottom of this page http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Jam...a=N&start=0 the AJC talked to a scout that had him at 4.34.

Thank you! I really did look all over, and couldn't find it. Honestly, looking at this only makes me drop Stewart more though...

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

I've searched all over and couldn't find anything to support this...

Why do you need a link? After a few years in the pros, everyone ran sub-4.5 or ususally sub-4.4 times at the combine or pro days. I always have to jump in when I see stuff like this because I remember jumping into speed threads talking about how fast Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin were, when in reality those two are perfect examples of people running slow 40 times and dropping in the draft because of it.

4.45 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...12/lewis_draft/If you look to the bottom of this page http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Jam...a=N&start=0 the AJC talked to a scout that had him at 4.34.

Thank you! I really did look all over, and couldn't find it. Honestly, looking at this only makes me drop Stewart more though...

I'll be interested in seeing if Stewart improves his time at his pro day. I'd bet yes. That said, the fact that Jamal Lewis ran faster than him does cast a little doubt on Stewart's being a faster Jamal Lewis, but I think the comparison is probably the best one that can be made.

 

[az_prof]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

I've searched all over and couldn't find anything to support this...

Why do you need a link? After a few years in the pros, everyone ran sub-4.5 or ususally sub-4.4 times at the combine or pro days. I always have to jump in when I see stuff like this because I remember jumping into speed threads talking about how fast Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin were, when in reality those two are perfect examples of people running slow 40 times and dropping in the draft because of it.

4.45 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...12/lewis_draft/If you look to the bottom of this page http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Jam...a=N&start=0 the AJC talked to a scout that had him at 4.34.

Thank you! I really did look all over, and couldn't find it. Honestly, looking at this only makes me drop Stewart more though...

I'll be interested in seeing if Stewart improves his time at his pro day. I'd bet yes. That said, the fact that Jamal Lewis ran faster than him does cast a little doubt on Stewart's being a faster Jamal Lewis, but I think the comparison is probably the best one that can be made.

Isn't the difference in their times so close as to be meaningless?

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

Isn't the difference in their times so close as to be meaningless?

Depends whether you trust the 4.45 or the 4.34. If it's 4.45, then that's negligible. If it's a full 0.1 seconds, then that counts for something. Of course, the real truth is, time without pads is fairly useless anyway, but it's the best measuring stick we're given. Game speed Stewart may be faster than Lewis or vice versa. Nobody will really know.

 

[Wildman]

Before the combine Stewart has been my top back and I base it solely on film study. He might be the best back I've studied on tape in the past three seasons. While it's nice to hear Stewart looks good at the combine, the fact that he runs like a 230-lb Emmitt Smith with more speed is what has me excited about his prospects.

Even after Mendenhall's nice 40-time I'm still convinced owners hoping to land a franchise back with future pro bowl years will be disappointed with him and McFadden.

Give me Stewart, Ray Rice, and Kevin Smith...Smith may take a bit more time to develop, but he has the best hips of any back I've seen in years.

The more I see of Ray Rice the more I think he will be the #2 RB out of this years class next to Stewart when its all said and done. Some NFL team is going to get lucky in the 2nd round. 3-CONE DRILL TIME

Ray Rice 6.65

Kevin Smith 6.74

Jamaal Charles 6.80

Matt Forte 6.84

Jacob Hester 6.85

Anthony Aldridge 6.88

Tashard Choice 6.88

Felix Jones 6.90

Jalen Parmele 6.96

Justin Forsett 6.96

And I love me some 3-cone drill (well, comparatively to the circus we see...that gauntlet for the WRs just makes me laugh. It might be a good measurement, but I think of those black and white films of people coming up with their idea of a flying machine that is just ridiculously mimicking birds and stuff like that)....Funny that 4 of my favorite 6 backs had those times. I I agree with you on Rice so much. You know, Parmele will be an interesting choice on day two...I liked what I saw of him, too. Not sure he's starter material, but he's someone I never hear anyone talk about and he's got the size, speed, quickness, and vision to be effective.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

If he has the career Taylor had the team that drafts him will be happy

I would venture if he has the career sans-injury that Lewis had the team would be happy too.Taylor BTW times at 4.45 at the combine, Lewis had a terrible time I believe, like 4.58. 40 times really only tell a player's acceleration, not their top end speed.

I would tend to believe Stewart will be more like Lewis, if anything.... which is not bad at all... I just don't see him being the uber-stud many think he is.

I think Lewis ran a sub 4.4, which given his injury history significantly bumped him up in the first round. He had an amazing combine iirc.

Can't find combine numbers, but I did dig this up: JSOnline - Jamal Lewis - he ran a 4.58

He ran a 4.44 at his pro day. (Lewis) As I like to joke, Lewis was good enough to be the first RB selected and the #5 overall pick but not good enough to start for Tennessee.

I've searched all over and couldn't find anything to support this...

Why do you need a link? After a few years in the pros, everyone ran sub-4.5 or ususally sub-4.4 times at the combine or pro days. I always have to jump in when I see stuff like this because I remember jumping into speed threads talking about how fast Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin were, when in reality those two are perfect examples of people running slow 40 times and dropping in the draft because of it.

4.45 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...12/lewis_draft/If you look to the bottom of this page http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Jam...a=N&start=0 the AJC talked to a scout that had him at 4.34.

Thank you! I really did look all over, and couldn't find it. Honestly, looking at this only makes me drop Stewart more though...

It's funny. McFadden legs are not NFL legs.But Stewart's too big.

Can you say Duckett or Dayne.

Best pick in rook draft is pick 3, behind guys like Mayock and FBG's(Who like Stewart) .

Until the draft.

 

[gianmarco]

Stewart ran 4.48 40, had the third most reps on the bench, and the second best Vert Jump. Not to mention he is built to play the position at the NFL level. There are three RB's above the rest in this years class IMO. Stewart, Mendenhall, McFadden.

2 are built to play the part while one lacks leg drive and vision IMO. You can have all the speed in the world but if you can't break tackles in the NFL you won't break long runs.

Stewart is actually a bit too big to be a solid NFL RB, and his 40 time was one of the slowest of the RBs. I'm not sure how adding those two together makes him tops... TJ Duckett anyone?

Hmmm, just came across this and don't understand this statement coming from an ardent Michael Turner supporter:Stewart:

H: 5-11 W:230

Turner:

H: 5-10 W: 237

 

[lord_helmet]

Stewart ran 4.48 40, had the third most reps on the bench, and the second best Vert Jump. Not to mention he is built to play the position at the NFL level. There are three RB's above the rest in this years class IMO. Stewart, Mendenhall, McFadden.

2 are built to play the part while one lacks leg drive and vision IMO. You can have all the speed in the world but if you can't break tackles in the NFL you won't break long runs.

Stewart is actually a bit too big to be a solid NFL RB, and his 40 time was one of the slowest of the RBs. I'm not sure how adding those two together makes him tops... TJ Duckett anyone?

Hmmm, just came across this and don't understand this statement coming from an ardent Michael Turner supporter:Stewart:

H: 5-11 W:230

Turner:

H: 5-10 W: 237

:(

 

[Sabertooth]

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[Chachi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLS6C0HKrMc

Anyone who thinks Stewart looks like Duckett is crazy, Stewart is very fast.

 

[Chaos Commish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLS6C0HKrMc

Anyone who thinks Stewart looks like Duckett is crazy, Stewart is very fast.

Duckett had a faster 40 at the Combine, considerably faster, fwiw.

 

[switz]

Stewart ran 4.48 40, had the third most reps on the bench, and the second best Vert Jump. Not to mention he is built to play the position at the NFL level. There are three RB's above the rest in this years class IMO. Stewart, Mendenhall, McFadden.

2 are built to play the part while one lacks leg drive and vision IMO. You can have all the speed in the world but if you can't break tackles in the NFL you won't break long runs.

Stewart is actually a bit too big to be a solid NFL RB, and his 40 time was one of the slowest of the RBs. I'm not sure how adding those two together makes him tops... TJ Duckett anyone?

Hmmm, just came across this and don't understand this statement coming from an ardent Michael Turner supporter:Stewart:

H: 5-11 W:230

Turner:

H: 5-10 W: 237

Size wasn't the only part of the equation... big and slow, versus big and fast.

 

[switz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLS6C0HKrMc

Anyone who thinks Stewart looks like Duckett is crazy, Stewart is very fast.

Duckett had a faster 40 at the Combine, considerably faster, fwiw.

 

[yellowdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLS6C0HKrMc

Anyone who thinks Stewart looks like Duckett is crazy, Stewart is very fast.

Duckett had a faster 40 at the Combine, considerably faster, fwiw.

4.45 is considerably faster than 4.46?ETA: Michigan State, RB T.J. Duckett, at 250 pounds, ran in the 4.48 to 4.5 range, according to a lot of watches, but the big surprise was LB Josh Thornhill running in the 4.6 area.

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