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JonBenet Ramsey 20 years later: my expert take on the crime (1 Viewer)

Willie Neslon

Willie Neslon

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I think it's obvious the mother killed her. The smoking gun is that ransom note which most handwriting experts agree has a high probability of being written by her. The paper used for the note was ripped out of her personal note pad. Prevailing opinion about how it went down was Patsy was having a rough Christmas. Her and JonBenet used to wear matching outfits for special occasions, JonBenet rebelled against the outfit that Christmas. They came home on Christmas night and JonBenet said she was hungry after defying patsy again by not eating much of her dinner. The child then wet her bed which was the final straw that sent Patsy into a rage. She violently shook and slammed the child against the sink or bathroom wall knocking her unconscious. Patsy panics thinking she may have killed her (or did kill her) and decides on the staging it as a murder or else she'll be charged with the girl's death. She takes her into the basement where she wraps a cord around her neck and using a paint brush handle as a garrote, she strangles her with cord. She binds her wrists, covers her in a blanket and leaves her. She goes upstairs and writes the ransom note. Later that morning she "discovers" note, wakes the family and calls the police. When the police arrive Patsy is wearing the same clothes that she wore on Christmas.

In interviews with law enforcement Patsy couldn't determine whether or not her own handwriting was in fact her own handwriting. When shown individual letters in her own writing compared to individual letters in the ransom note Patsy will not admit they are in any way identical when it's obvious that they are. The father had no direct involvement with the crime but had to know what happened. He can't bear the thought of losing his wife on top of losing what will now be his second child lost. They circle the wagons, lawyer up and remain defiant in the face of accusations from law enforcement and the public. Patsy dies, the father remarries and nobody is ever charged. Case solved. Case closed. Thanks guys.

 
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I watched that 48 hours special (or whatever channel that was)...my opinion?  The brother did it and the parents covered it up for him.  He probably didn't mean to, but they covered it up anyway.

 
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The Commish said:
I watched that 48 hours special (or whatever channel that was)...my opinion?  The brother did it and the parents covered it up for him.
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He couldn't have written the note. No chance they'd write it for him and then deceive law enforcement and the public for the rest of their lives. Doesn't make sense. The mom was nuts. Bed wetting rage is a real thing apparently.

 
The Commish said:
I watched that 48 hours special (or whatever channel that was)...my opinion?  The brother did it and the parents covered it up for him.  He probably didn't mean to, but they covered it up anyway.
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I wasn't really that interested in the story at the time, but I've read this about the brother before. The thought it is was accidental?

 
Willie Neslon said:
What I read was that DNA came from the factory that made her pajamas and from the pajamas it got onto her underwear.
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I thought DNA from the same person was found on two separate articles of clothing? The underwear and her nightgown? Maybe I'm mistaken.

Okay, got it.  never mind

 
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Brother caused an accident, they covered it up then the PD stepped in to cover it up more.  I figured the mom on her deathbed would busthrow herself but she didn't. 

 
Willie Neslon said:
The paper used for the note was ripped out of her personal note pad.
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Willie Neslon said:
In interviews with law enforcement Patsy couldn't determine whether or not her own handwriting was in fact her own handwriting. When shown individual letters in her own writing compared to individual letters in the ransom note Patsy will not admit they are in any way identical when it's obvious that they are.
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I found this, thought it interesting:

In John's printed handwriting, he uses the lowercase 'n' for the beginnings of words such as "not" and "notified." In all other words using a lowercase 'n', John substitutes a small uppercase 'N' in the middle, and at the ends, of words. Examples from his handwriting are:

beeN
iNstaller
discrepaNcy
oN
occasioNs
accouNt
wheN

This is one of his identifying traits, and the substitution is subconsious and natural to John.

The Ransom Note author does not make this substitution ONCE ... not even at the end of the word "John."

Patsy Ramsey also does not make that substitution, but uses the lowercase 'n' throughout all her words ... beginning, middle and end.

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Another identifying trait in John's handwriting is his "compressed" lowercase 'o's. Ovals are communication letters, and it is obvious John has trouble with communication. His oval is mashed down as if being pushed from a force above. There is enormous pressure on John to keep his mouth shut. He may have learned this from his family of origin. It is possible he may not have been allowed to "talk back" and or openly communicate his true feelings, so he learned to suppress what he really wanted to say.

In addition, John's lowercase 'o' starts to the left top of the letter, and achieves the backwards slant common to the rest of his writing.

The Ransom Note author does not have a compressed 'o'. On the contrary, most of the RN 'o's are full, and usually rounded, except for the occasional slight flattening on the bottom right side.

Patsy Ramsey also writes with rounded 'o's that sometimes are slightly flattened on the bottom right side.

This is a subconscious "flattening" is not something a person would think of to change or modify in an effort to disguise their handwriting.

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If John Ramsey was trying to disguise his handwriting ... he might think of changing the slant ... but could he be aware of ALL his individual identifying traits, and then think to change each one of them? Every time? Under pressure from the death of his child, and running out of time?

I don't think so.

LE had numerous samples of John's handwriting to compare with the Ransom Note. I think it's obvious why John was eliminated as the RN author ... and it is also obvious why Patsy could not be.
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Willie Neslon said:
What I read was that DNA came from the factory that made her pajamas and from the pajamas it got onto her underwear.
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Only one employee at this factory?

Why has this explanation never been used in a murder case before?

Im not disagreeing though. Probably was the mother. Any twisted woman that would put her small child in disgusting beauty pageants is certainly capable of anything.

All beauty pageant moms should be in jail.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Awful.

The note about the pineapple in the child's stomach.... that seems important?

I've never heard any of this stuff, I thought they had always suspected some intruder or someone who knew the family.
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Where the pineapple was in her stomach would help indicate the time of death.

If it was an intruder why would they write a ransom note and then murder her? Why wouldn't they take her with them? Doesn't make sense. There were striking similarities between Patsy's handwriting and the handwriting found on the note.

 
Let's look at the real evidence here.

Its not in the actual case files.

These people named their children Jonbenet and Burke. That alone should warrant an investigation.

The mother is a former beauty queen. Are we to believe this woman is normal?

Look up recent photos of Burke. Can you really say this guy isn't capable of murder?

The father married this woman, certainly allowed her to give the children ridiculous names and allowed the mother to live vicariously through her daughter by parading her around like some sexed up accordion monkey.

They are all guilty.

 
Willie Neslon said:
Where the pineapple was in her stomach would help indicate the time of death.

If it was an intruder why would they write a ransom note and then murder her? Why wouldn't they take her with them? Doesn't make sense. There were striking similarities between Patsy's handwriting and the handwriting found on the note.
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Poor child.

I never paid attention to this story, but now it just seems grotesque. Why wouldn't they charge Patsy?

 
Former Ramsey housekeeper Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, speaking publicly for the first time about her testimony before the Boulder County grand jury, told reporters Thursday:

* She thought Patsy Ramsey had killed JonBenet.

...* A Swiss Army knife was found in the basement room where JonBenet's body was found.

* "Only Patsy could have put that knife there. I took it away from Burke (JonBenet's older brother) and hid it in a linen closet near JonBenet's bedroom. An intruder never would have found it. Patsy would have found it getting out clean sheets."

...* The blanket wrapped around JonBenet's body had been left in the dryer. There was still a Barbie Doll nightgown clinging to the blanket, so it had to have come out of the dryer recently, she said. Only Patsy would have known it was in the dryer, she said.

* An intruder never would have found the door to the basement room where JonBenet's body was discovered. It was too difficult to see unless someone knew it was there, she said.
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http://rense.com/general11/benet.htm

- Wrapping the child in her favorite nightgown seems like a clincher to me, a kidnapper would have never done that.

- This seems simple, I don't get why they did not charge her.

 
Also.....

Read the ransom note.

If some kidnapper wrote it legitimately, with the poor grammar and spelling, do you really think they knew the meaning of the word "attaché "?

Case closed

Gotta read between the lines.

I know this for a fact because I write that way legitimately and I have no idea what attaché means

the ransom note is an absolute fake

 
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The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.
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- Yaknow, if this were true and you were a kidnapper, you probably wouldn't leave a clue as to who the partners in crime were.

 
Unfortunately children are abducted/murdered fairly frequently. This case gets so much notoriety because there are a million pictures and videos of the girl with hair and makeup like an 80's soap opera actress, so it's tailor made for the tabloids. Pretty sick if you think about it. 

 
McGarnicle said:
Unfortunately children are abducted/murdered fairly frequently. This case gets so much notoriety because there are a million pictures and videos of the girl with hair and makeup like an 80's soap opera actress, so it's tailor made for the tabloids. Pretty sick if you think about it. 
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None of us came to that conclusion in 20 years.

Thanks McObvious

 
Family came home from party, went to bed except creepy bro who got back up and got himself some pineapple and milk.  JB gets up to pee, grabs a piece of Creepy Bro's pineapple.  Creepy Bro freaks out, grabs flashlight, factures JB's skull.  Mom wakes up by commotion, comes out, sees baby girl dead-ish on floor.  Protects Creepy Bro, covers up crime from there.  Wa La.

CBS solved this in a multi part show earlier this year.  It was pretty good.

 
48 Hours has learned that JonBenet may have been targeted for murder long before she took the stage, possibly at a local dance studio called Dance West, where she took lessons.

"To someone with that, you know, kind of a twisted mind, she may have looked like a really good target," says former Denver private investigator Pete Peterson. Less than a year after the murder of JonBenet, he was hired to work on another case in Boulder that had strange parallels to the Ramsey case.

"There's a Dance West school where the victim of the assault in our case, the one that we investigated, and the Ramsey girl, both attended," says Peterson, who now believes Jon Benet was first targeted at that dance studio because of what happened to his client, just nine months after JonBenet was murdered.

Like JonBenet, she took lessons at Dance West. And like JonBenet, another girl, who is identified as "Amy," was attacked and sexually assaulted at night in her own bedroom on Sept. 14, 1997.

That night, Amy's father was out of town. After catching a movie, Amy and her mother returned home late. What they didn't know when they entered the house was that there was already an intruder inside.

Amy's father, who asked that his identity be obscured, agreed to talk about what happened that night: "My feeling is he got into the house while they were out and hid inside the house, so he would have been in there for perhaps four to six hours, hiding."

Before going to bed, Amy's mother turned on the burglar alarm. Around midnight, Amy woke up to find a man standing over her bed, his hand over her mouth. "She remembered the intruder addressing her by her name," says Peterson. "He said, 'I know who you are.' He repeated those things a few times, apparently. 'I'll knock you out. Shut up.'"

Peterson says Amy's mother heard whispering, and proceeded through the doorway, and saw a person, who just brushed her aside and quickly made his escape by jumping out a second-floor window.

"He was like a ghost," recalls Amy's father. "We couldn't figure out where he came from, or where he went."

By the time the Boulder police arrived, the man was long gone. Because the intruder had gotten in and out of the house so easily, Amy's father began to think this wasn't the first time he had done something like this.

"The first thing that occurred to us was that it was the parallel to the Ramsey case because it was exactly the same situation," says Amy's father, who even told the Boulder police about the Dance West studio connection to the Ramsey case. "I think someone, somewhere, drew a bead on her. Obviously had us under surveillance that we were not aware of."
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facook said:
Family came home from party, went to bed except creepy bro who got back up and got himself some pineapple and milk.  JB gets up to pee, grabs a piece of Creepy Bro's pineapple.  Creepy Bro freaks out, grabs flashlight, factures JB's skull.  Mom wakes up by commotion, comes out, sees baby girl dead-ish on floor.  Protects Creepy Bro, covers up crime from there.  Wa La.

CBS solved this in a multi part show earlier this year.  It was pretty good.
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My training says it just couldn't have happened that way.

 
* An intruder never would have found the door to the basement room where JonBenet's body was discovered. It was too difficult to see unless someone knew it was there

SaintsInDome2006 said:
But: no sign of breaking into the house.
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Also, weren't there spiderwebs stretched across the basement window that had been there awhile?  These would have been torn had an intruder broke in.

/inside job

 
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