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Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I think he is better at "PC" than the typical Oberlin student...no chance he takes Sherman. Ray Sherman has been turned down for 37 jobs because he is lacking, not because he is black.
monessen
Footballguy
Yes. Sadly, the implicit message to Sherman is "do you want to keep working here? If so, meet our need to satisfy the Rooney Rule." We all know Garrett is going to be the guy. But Jones could have invited a prospective up & coming minority candidate from another organization to at least create the semblance of a true search instead of using an in-house assistant who has had many such token interviews.
Txns8
Footballguy
While I agree with your statement, it is the rule that put them both in this position. It is obvious to 100% of the league who he wants to hire. The rule should not be applied here.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
i think this has more to do with not violating/getting fined for violating the 'rooney rule' than it says about an indecision vis a vis Garrett.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Todd Bowles, a Miami assistant, is being interviewed by Jones to qualify for the Rooney Rule.
monessen
Footballguy
Yes. Evidently, Mr. Jones found out interviewing Sherman would seem contrived, obligatory, and convenient, so . . .
From Rotoworld: The Dallas Cowboys have interviewed Miami Dolphins'
assistant head coach/secondary Todd Bowles for their own head coaching job.
Owner Jerry Jones interviewed WRs coach Ray Sherman Tuesday morning, so the Rooney Rule wouldn't apply here. Jones has a history with Bowles, who spent three years as the secondary coach in Dallas before moving on to Miami with the Bill Parcells group. Interim coach Jason Garrett is still considered the heavy favorite to lead the Cowboys in 2011. He could be considering Bowles as his defensive coordinator.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
From Rotoworld: The Dallas Cowboys have interviewed Miami Dolphins'
assistant head coach/secondary Todd Bowles for their own head coaching job.
Owner Jerry Jones interviewed WRs coach Ray Sherman Tuesday morning, so the Rooney Rule wouldn't apply here. Jones has a history with Bowles, who spent three years as the secondary coach in Dallas before moving on to Miami with the Bill Parcells group. Interim coach Jason Garrett is still considered the heavy favorite to lead the Cowboys in 2011. He could be considering Bowles as his defensive coordinator.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
disagree. getting interviewed is always good even if you don't get th job IMHO.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I also read that many members of the defense were excited that Bowles was getting an opportunity to come back to Dallas. I assume he will be offered the DC job eventually. I also think if Sporano is let go by Miami, he will be on the short list for the Cowboys OC position. I would welcome both.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Ray Sherman is still around? That guy has been the Kiss Of Death for many of the teams he's been with:
1991-93, San Francisco (14-2 the year before he got there; 11 wins per year while he was there; then they win the Super Bowl after he leaves)
1994, New York Jets (8-8 the year before; 6-10 with him)
1995-97 Minnesota (10-6 the year before; 9 wins per year while he was there; 15-1 after he leaves)
1998 Pittsburgh (11-5 the year before; 7-9 with him)
1999 Minnesota (15-1 the year before; 10-6 with him; 11-5 after he leaves)
2005-06, Tennessee (5-11 the year before; averaged 6 wins with him; 10-6 after he leaves)
He had a couple good years in Green Bay and Dallas, but it seems like everywhere else he's gone it's been a bad mix.
1991-93, San Francisco (14-2 the year before he got there; 11 wins per year while he was there; then they win the Super Bowl after he leaves)
1994, New York Jets (8-8 the year before; 6-10 with him)
1995-97 Minnesota (10-6 the year before; 9 wins per year while he was there; 15-1 after he leaves)
1998 Pittsburgh (11-5 the year before; 7-9 with him)
1999 Minnesota (15-1 the year before; 10-6 with him; 11-5 after he leaves)
2005-06, Tennessee (5-11 the year before; averaged 6 wins with him; 10-6 after he leaves)
He had a couple good years in Green Bay and Dallas, but it seems like everywhere else he's gone it's been a bad mix.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Yea, but Ten has to fire Fisher first.
monessen
Footballguy
I have to disagree. He's no young assistant who would benefit from the experience of interviewing. He's been to lots of rodeos as a poster already cited, and Kiss of Death isn't inaccurate. An "interview" with Sherman isn't legit if he's been working there the last several seasons. What doesn't Jones already know about his receivers' coach? I suspect Jones was angling to do a quick perfunctory in-house interview until Bowles' status changed as a result of the uncertain situation in Miami. Jones is likely to bring back Bowles as DC/Asst Head Coach if a deal can be reached. Sherman brings nothing to the table, as was noted earlier.
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SWC
Bromigo
i think that getting interviewed just to pass a rule when the guy who will get the job is already decided doesnt make the interview worth crapola because its a sham and everyone knows its a sham so what good does that do to the guy who gets teh fake out interview none that's damned straight
Abraham
Footballguy
If Roy Williams hadn't looked like, well, Roy Williams on THanksgiving night then he would have been 6-2 with a backup QB. I think he's just fine...
Texasmouth
Footballguy
And lets not forget Beuhler missing a friggin extra point that could have got them a win in Az. 5-3 over a full season would have been 10-6. That would have got him a possible playoff spot and a chance to make some noise in the playoffs.
It wasn't a championship level team. The offense is and still going 5-3 with a backup QB shows it. The Cowboys' defense wasn't even close. They were awful and would have kept them from doing anything during a playoff run. I don't think Garrett can really be held responsible for that, but he needs to make some good choices about coordinators and players during the offseason.
monessen
Footballguy
Hopefully, Garrett will be allowed to make those decisions instead of his uber-meddling owner. Heck, I thought Jones was going to interview himself for the HC job given what a control freak he is. Given all the plastic surgery, he may qualify under the Rooney Rule as some type of new ethnic mutant.
If Harbaugh is headed to Miami, looks like the Cowboys will get Bowles as DC/asst HC since a new Dolphins staff would likely be assembled.
If Harbaugh is headed to Miami, looks like the Cowboys will get Bowles as DC/asst HC since a new Dolphins staff would likely be assembled.
monessen
Footballguy
Upon officially designating Garrett as head coach and pledging Garrett would be the decision-maker for personnel, we are supposed to believe Garrett was responsible for firing Sherman? It is ridiculous. You are doubtlessly correct in Jones' role in carrying out this facade and doing it under the radar. I guess the homer reporters down there don't want to get on Jones' bad side further by making this an issue. What's too bad is that the usual advocates for fairness haven't made Sherman's dismissal more of an issue by questioning the rationale.
Sherman's actual performance record is a bit hard to gauge. Miles Austin has blossomed, though Roy Williams has yet to progress as a consistent threat. Crayton was a serviceable third receiver until moving on. TO was, well, TO while there. I don't recell if Sherman was there when Terry Glenn was.
Sherman's dismissal seems to be Jones' message to fans and the public that vestiges of the Phillips' regime are expendable and necessarily so.
Garrett's coronation was a done deal when Phillips faltered early on. The cosmetic and symbolic search process was blatantly obligatory and cynical.
Sherman's actual performance record is a bit hard to gauge. Miles Austin has blossomed, though Roy Williams has yet to progress as a consistent threat. Crayton was a serviceable third receiver until moving on. TO was, well, TO while there. I don't recell if Sherman was there when Terry Glenn was.
Sherman's dismissal seems to be Jones' message to fans and the public that vestiges of the Phillips' regime are expendable and necessarily so.
Garrett's coronation was a done deal when Phillips faltered early on. The cosmetic and symbolic search process was blatantly obligatory and cynical.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I mean this with all due respect, but you don't know what you are talking about.
There's a timeline in this thread that might not be obvious.
I thought Jones not going with Garrett right away and/or not hiring him during the season was a good move.
One way it seems like a gift, the other way it seems earned or where Jones says show me what you can do.
What was it a week? 2 weeks after the season? Garrett can't even feel comfy he's got the job wrapped up and will be the Boys coach for the next ten years or somesuch. He's gotta feel it's a results oriented almost tentative position now.
I really like the delay by Jones.
Re-Rooney rule. There's some things in life we all have to accept we are not capable of doing. Some of them are harder to accept and we look like a fool when we keep trying to push the issue. I think Sherman has been a fool here. I think his foolishness has been counter-productive to the essence of what was hoped to be achieved by the Rooney rule and ...the guy's actions really bug me.
I thought Jones not going with Garrett right away and/or not hiring him during the season was a good move.
One way it seems like a gift, the other way it seems earned or where Jones says show me what you can do.
What was it a week? 2 weeks after the season? Garrett can't even feel comfy he's got the job wrapped up and will be the Boys coach for the next ten years or somesuch. He's gotta feel it's a results oriented almost tentative position now.
I really like the delay by Jones.
Re-Rooney rule. There's some things in life we all have to accept we are not capable of doing. Some of them are harder to accept and we look like a fool when we keep trying to push the issue. I think Sherman has been a fool here. I think his foolishness has been counter-productive to the essence of what was hoped to be achieved by the Rooney rule and ...the guy's actions really bug me.
monessen
Footballguy
Well, can you explain why Sherman was perceived as a viable-enough candidate to interview for HC, but not remain as receivers' coach? That is like saying "you may be good enough possibly to be the boss here, but not good enough to be an employee."
monessen
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
During their interview, both gave their version of what they envision going forward...it was likely very evident that the two did NOT share the same views. You have to have 1 cohesive coaching unit and it wasnt going to happen with Sherman staying. Its also widely believed that Sherman helped stir the pot a few fews back when the WR's had a mini cry fest about balls.This was a great decision by Garrett and actually shows that he "gets it".
monessen
Footballguy
So then, for those bothering to keep score, here's how both Jones and Garrett come away looking great:
1. Sherman is given an allegedly-valid opportunity at the HC position, enabling Jones to meet the Rooney Rule.
2. A second minority candidate is interviewed, so the coronation of Garrett does not carry the stigma of a slam dunk.
2. Garrett, to no one's surprise, gets the job---perhaps deservedly so based on his interim record.
3. Jones, in what must be a first since Jimmy Johnson, tells the media Garrett gets to make the personnel decisions.
4. Garrett dispatches Sherman, and can cite, if necessary, some type of breach that won't allow them to co-exist.
Result: Jones has the semblance of an equal opportunity employer. A decisive Jones empowers Garrett. Garrett asserts the new-found authority because he "gets it" as the previous poster says, and this impresses the more naive onlookers. Jones is spared the messy business of jettisoning Sherman. So, it was all or nothing for Sherman, and "nothing" was a fait accompli.
Pretty smart. Insidiously clever and manipulative. Pure Jerry Jones. No wonder he's rich and can do whatever he wants.
1. Sherman is given an allegedly-valid opportunity at the HC position, enabling Jones to meet the Rooney Rule.
2. A second minority candidate is interviewed, so the coronation of Garrett does not carry the stigma of a slam dunk.
2. Garrett, to no one's surprise, gets the job---perhaps deservedly so based on his interim record.
3. Jones, in what must be a first since Jimmy Johnson, tells the media Garrett gets to make the personnel decisions.
4. Garrett dispatches Sherman, and can cite, if necessary, some type of breach that won't allow them to co-exist.
Result: Jones has the semblance of an equal opportunity employer. A decisive Jones empowers Garrett. Garrett asserts the new-found authority because he "gets it" as the previous poster says, and this impresses the more naive onlookers. Jones is spared the messy business of jettisoning Sherman. So, it was all or nothing for Sherman, and "nothing" was a fait accompli.
Pretty smart. Insidiously clever and manipulative. Pure Jerry Jones. No wonder he's rich and can do whatever he wants.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Thanks for catching us all up on this. Did it seriously take you 2 full weeks to get up to speed?
monessen
Footballguy
Not really, brother. It was a sham from the get-go. Sorry to bother you.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Updates seem to indicate that they are delaying the announcement of Ryan as DC until tomorrow due to the holiday. (Insert insidious/sham/conspiracy theory here)
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Tomlin was the 4th guy interviewed for the Steelers job, and at least one of the previous 3 guys was a minority. So they didn't interview Tomlin just to appease the Rooney Rule, but Tomlin's name had been put "out there" as a minority candidate in the past and I think it's likely that the rule opened the door for Tomlin to get interviewed in the first place.
monessen
Footballguy
Russ Grimm was actually identified by the Pittsburgh-Tribune Review as the new coach. Sort of a Dewey beats Truman error. Grimm has been a serious candidate for HC jobs in Washington and Chicago.
Tomlin then was not considered a leading candidate but impressed the top brass with his interview. But the hiring of Grimm or Whisenhunt appeared imminent. Interestingly, Cowher endorsed Chan Gailey for that job instead of one of his 2 assistants. Either Ron Rivera or Tim Lewis was interviewed too.
When Tomlin was hired, both Whisenhunt and Grimm got irked believing they were misled, and left on their own. Arizona, of course, scooped them up.
In '92, the Pgh Post-Gazette was pretty bold in suggesting that Dave Wannstedt had the inside track over Cowher. Two days later, Cowher was hired, with the rationale that he knew more about the AFC than Dave, a Cowboys assistant. The search was quite unusual. Joe Greene and Kevin Gilbride were dark horse candidates. Dennis Green and Mike Holmgren turned down interviews. And the Steelers, for reasons unknown, gave Mike Riley a "courtesy interview" but not in Pittsburgh.
Tomlin then was not considered a leading candidate but impressed the top brass with his interview. But the hiring of Grimm or Whisenhunt appeared imminent. Interestingly, Cowher endorsed Chan Gailey for that job instead of one of his 2 assistants. Either Ron Rivera or Tim Lewis was interviewed too.
When Tomlin was hired, both Whisenhunt and Grimm got irked believing they were misled, and left on their own. Arizona, of course, scooped them up.
In '92, the Pgh Post-Gazette was pretty bold in suggesting that Dave Wannstedt had the inside track over Cowher. Two days later, Cowher was hired, with the rationale that he knew more about the AFC than Dave, a Cowboys assistant. The search was quite unusual. Joe Greene and Kevin Gilbride were dark horse candidates. Dennis Green and Mike Holmgren turned down interviews. And the Steelers, for reasons unknown, gave Mike Riley a "courtesy interview" but not in Pittsburgh.
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