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jones may become starter in jax/tayler possibly cut? (1 Viewer)

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Team Report: Inside Slant

The Jaguars are deep at running back.

Coach Jack Del Rio says it's the deepest position on the team.

Maurice Drew, their second round pick, has joined a group that includes Fred Taylor, Greg Jones, Derrick Wimbush, Alvin Pearman and LaBrandon Toefield.

Unless one of them is injured -- and they're all healthy right now -- one of them is likely to be headed out of town.

The conventional wisdom is that one of the youngsters -- Wimbush, Pearman or Toefield -- will be on the chopping block.

But the possibility has to be raised that the Jaguars could cut Taylor if the young players emerge.

The key to Taylor's future may be Greg Jones.

He suffered a serious knee injury in his junior year in college and appeared to lose the burst that made him a projected first round choice before he suffered the injury.

In his final year in college and his first two years with the Jaguars, he wasn't the player he was before he was injured.

The Jaguars turned him into a fullback and a short yardage runner.

But as he heads into his fourth season since he suffered the injury, he's been getting rave reviews by coach Jack Del Rio. Del Rio was particularly impressed with him in the team scrimmage. He averaged almost five yards a carry with 19 yards in four carries.

"I think his feet are as alive and active as they have been since he's been here. He was outstanding (in the scrimmage). He made some terrific cuts. He ran with power and determination," he said.

Del Rio said it's fair to suggest that his running ability is improving because it's been four years since the surgery.

If he can replace Taylor as an every down back and Drew shows he can add explosive threat, the Jaguars might decide they don't need Taylor.

The relationship between Taylor and Del Rio went downhill when Taylor, who wanted a new contract, skipped the team's offseason program.

Then he suffered a mild hamstring pull in the conditioning run before camp. He saw limited duty the first week although he did go in the scrimmage and got nine yards in three carries.

But the Taylor situation bears close watching. It could be that Taylor will have such a good preseason that the Jaguars decide they can't let him go.

There's no doubt, though, that he's fighting for a job.

 
I have heard Fred being talked of being cut... but that was before he was reportedly in "the best shape of his life", and also before he reported to camp and injured himself 5 minutes later.

I would be surprised, but not shocked. IMO they need him for veteran leadership at the very least. If he were cut, it would be a cap-driven move, and I do not know much on the Jags situation (thought they were comfortably under).

IMO Drew starts at RB, Jones starts at FB anyway at some point this season.

 
how much $$$ is Taylor sched. to make?edit: found it:

Fred Taylor: $2,550,000; $4,150,000 (2007: 2,550,000; 2008: UFA) [amortization = $3,200,000](note: actual cap hit quoted at “around $5.3 mil” early in offseason, but new figure appears accurate)(note: contract also includes all sorts of incentives; $640,000 counting as LTBEs, plus cap adjusted $700,000 as estimate for LTBEs not earned in ‘05)
 
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Wow, Greg Jones had 19 yards on 4 carries in the scrimmage. I can see why Del Rio is so impressed! Cut Taylor now!

:rolleyes:

 
IMO when fragile freddy goes down you'lll see a rbbc with jones and drew . Jones will be the mike anderson and get the tough yordage and TDs while drew will be the tatum bell in their package and make the more explosive plays

 
Seen a few articles discussing the Jags RB and how one is likely to get cut or traded. Well Wimbush is hurt and could go on IR if they felt that necessary. There's the 1 not on the active roster. Also he's probably better than all the others at special teams. Many NFL teams keep an extra WR for ST and this would just be the Jags keeping an extra RB instead of an extra WR. With Jones ability to play FB there is another spot saved.

I don't agree that they need to move anyone.

How has Toefield looked lately?

The guy that got high praise here years ago was finally playing like a top quality back in the spring and Del Rio was praising him. That's the spring though so I'm curious how he's doing now. He's sure got talent. IF he doesn't play well I could see him being moved(cut or traded for super late pick). Not for the reasons above but simply because they've given him lots of chances and he doesn't play well.

 
How has Toefield looked lately?The guy that got high praise here years ago was finally playing like a top quality back in the spring and Del Rio was praising him. That's the spring though so I'm curious how he's doing now. He's sure got talent. IF he doesn't play well I could see him being moved(cut or traded for super late pick). Not for the reasons above but simply because they've given him lots of chances and he doesn't play well.
The buzz that I've gotten from other sites is that Toefield has looked good in camp. The problem that I see with Toefield is that he has real trouble staying healthy. I'm sure Jax would be hesitant to name him the starter--if Taylor is sent packing--because of this reason.
 
I did not follow the jags closely last year so I could be wrong but I thought Del Rio was a coach that liked to give 1 RB most of the carries in a game. If I am correct on this I find it unlikely that the Jags would use RBBC.

 
Seen a few articles discussing the Jags RB and how one is likely to get cut or traded. Well Wimbush is hurt and could go on IR if they felt that necessary. There's the 1 not on the active roster. Also he's probably better than all the others at special teams. Many NFL teams keep an extra WR for ST and this would just be the Jags keeping an extra RB instead of an extra WR. With Jones ability to play FB there is another spot saved.I don't agree that they need to move anyone.How has Toefield looked lately?The guy that got high praise here years ago was finally playing like a top quality back in the spring and Del Rio was praising him. That's the spring though so I'm curious how he's doing now. He's sure got talent. IF he doesn't play well I could see him being moved(cut or traded for super late pick). Not for the reasons above but simply because they've given him lots of chances and he doesn't play well.
:no: Wimbush's injury was reported as a broken arm, but was later retracted and diagnosed as a broken hand, which kept him out IIRC 3-4 weeks from the date of the injury. Since, he was ready for the start of camp and has been participating regularly, maintaining his role as a returner and getting his reps as a backfield reciever. Del rio is in love with this guy; theres simply no reason to thik he would be kept off the roster for any reason.JDR has arepeatedly stated that he would keep 5-6 RB's on the roster. That would include Taylor, Greg Jones, Maurce Drew and Wimbush for sure with Toefield and Pearman on the bubble. That being said, both may still make it but I believe more and more everyday that Pearman is the odd man out. His return job has been in jeapordy in camp as Chad Owens again has emerged as an early favorite, and, coupled with Owens' newfound skils at WR, may end up making the roster. Pearman suddenly has both his primary assets taken away from him (ST, pass catching to Drew)If i were JDR, Id look to move toefield however. He looks great in camp, and while he has bulked up and Greg Jones has slimmed somewaht, he still is not a better short-yardage option than Jones. Besides, I believe he is going to be a UFA at the end of the season. The Jags may be looking to feature him in the preaseason and then move him, allowing them to get at least something out of him.
 
How has Toefield looked lately?The guy that got high praise here years ago was finally playing like a top quality back in the spring and Del Rio was praising him. That's the spring though so I'm curious how he's doing now. He's sure got talent. IF he doesn't play well I could see him being moved(cut or traded for super late pick). Not for the reasons above but simply because they've given him lots of chances and he doesn't play well.
The buzz that I've gotten from other sites is that Toefield has looked good in camp. The problem that I see with Toefield is that he has real trouble staying healthy. I'm sure Jax would be hesitant to name him the starter--if Taylor is sent packing--because of this reason.
Have you seen anything current? In my travels, all I saw were re-posting quotes from the spring.I think he's as close as you get to a forgotten guy in FF. It's been quite some time since I heard his name(before spring)
 
Seen a few articles discussing the Jags RB and how one is likely to get cut or traded. Well Wimbush is hurt and could go on IR if they felt that necessary. There's the 1 not on the active roster. Also he's probably better than all the others at special teams. Many NFL teams keep an extra WR for ST and this would just be the Jags keeping an extra RB instead of an extra WR. With Jones ability to play FB there is another spot saved.I don't agree that they need to move anyone.How has Toefield looked lately?The guy that got high praise here years ago was finally playing like a top quality back in the spring and Del Rio was praising him. That's the spring though so I'm curious how he's doing now. He's sure got talent. IF he doesn't play well I could see him being moved(cut or traded for super late pick). Not for the reasons above but simply because they've given him lots of chances and he doesn't play well.
:no: Wimbush's injury was reported as a broken arm, but was later retracted and diagnosed as a broken hand, which kept him out IIRC 3-4 weeks from the date of the injury. Since, he was ready for the start of camp and has been participating regularly, maintaining his role as a returner and getting his reps as a backfield reciever. Del rio is in love with this guy; theres simply no reason to thik he would be kept off the roster for any reason.JDR has arepeatedly stated that he would keep 5-6 RB's on the roster. That would include Taylor, Greg Jones, Maurce Drew and Wimbush for sure with Toefield and Pearman on the bubble. That being said, both may still make it but I believe more and more everyday that Pearman is the odd man out. His return job has been in jeapordy in camp as Chad Owens again has emerged as an early favorite, and, coupled with Owens' newfound skils at WR, may end up making the roster. Pearman suddenly has both his primary assets taken away from him (ST, pass catching to Drew)If i were JDR, Id look to move toefield however. He looks great in camp, and while he has bulked up and Greg Jones has slimmed somewaht, he still is not a better short-yardage option than Jones. Besides, I believe he is going to be a UFA at the end of the season. The Jags may be looking to feature him in the preaseason and then move him, allowing them to get at least something out of him.
I didn't know Wimbush's injury was misdiagnosed, thanks for that!He's an UFA from last year that works his tail off if anyone out wonders why Del Rio loves this guy.
 
Seen a few articles discussing the Jags RB and how one is likely to get cut or traded. Well Wimbush is hurt and could go on IR if they felt that necessary. There's the 1 not on the active roster. Also he's probably better than all the others at special teams. Many NFL teams keep an extra WR for ST and this would just be the Jags keeping an extra RB instead of an extra WR. With Jones ability to play FB there is another spot saved.I don't agree that they need to move anyone.How has Toefield looked lately?The guy that got high praise here years ago was finally playing like a top quality back in the spring and Del Rio was praising him. That's the spring though so I'm curious how he's doing now. He's sure got talent. IF he doesn't play well I could see him being moved(cut or traded for super late pick). Not for the reasons above but simply because they've given him lots of chances and he doesn't play well.
Pretty sure Wimbush is no longer hurt and has been practicing regularly, including kickoff returns ...ETA: Failed to read whole thread before spouting off ... :bag:
 
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I think a trade would be much more likely than him being cut. Fred can run, and run well when healthy.
:goodposting: Teams are in need of RBs. Michael Bennett gets traded for a 4th. Unless he's hurt Jax will not cut him, they will trade him.But I think he remains a Jag for this year and is the opening day starter.
 
Have you seen anything current? In my travels, all I saw were re-posting quotes from the spring.
We're not allowed to post articles from pay sites, but yes, what I have seen came out August 3rd.
 
I think a trade would be much more likely than him being cut. Fred can run, and run well when healthy.
:goodposting: Teams are in need of RBs. Michael Bennett gets traded for a 4th. Unless he's hurt Jax will not cut him, they will trade him.But I think he remains a Jag for this year and is the opening day starter.
Agree here. Why lower your depth at RB?Move doesn't make sense.
 
From rotoworld today:

Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio implied Greg Jones has a chance to win the team' starting job.

"You can pick your fantasy team anyway you want," Del Rio said. "The guys who make plays, we're going to give more plays so they can make more of them." We are taking Jones earlier than ever on our fantasy team because he's likely to get short-yardage carries and possibly more.

 
Greg Jones as the workhorse starter with

Maurice Drew as the change of pace 3rd down back

make the most sense to me if Fragile is released or dealt.

 
From rotoworld today:Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio implied Greg Jones has a chance to win the team' starting job."You can pick your fantasy team anyway you want," Del Rio said. "The guys who make plays, we're going to give more plays so they can make more of them." We are taking Jones earlier than ever on our fantasy team because he's likely to get short-yardage carries and possibly more.
Dont get ahead of yourself. Fred Taylor still is the starter.
 
Team Report: Inside SlantThe Jaguars are deep at running back.Coach Jack Del Rio says it's the deepest position on the team.Maurice Drew, their second round pick, has joined a group that includes Fred Taylor, Greg Jones, Derrick Wimbush, Alvin Pearman and LaBrandon Toefield.Unless one of them is injured -- and they're all healthy right now -- one of them is likely to be headed out of town.The conventional wisdom is that one of the youngsters -- Wimbush, Pearman or Toefield -- will be on the chopping block.But the possibility has to be raised that the Jaguars could cut Taylor if the young players emerge.The key to Taylor's future may be Greg Jones.He suffered a serious knee injury in his junior year in college and appeared to lose the burst that made him a projected first round choice before he suffered the injury.In his final year in college and his first two years with the Jaguars, he wasn't the player he was before he was injured.The Jaguars turned him into a fullback and a short yardage runner.But as he heads into his fourth season since he suffered the injury, he's been getting rave reviews by coach Jack Del Rio. Del Rio was particularly impressed with him in the team scrimmage. He averaged almost five yards a carry with 19 yards in four carries."I think his feet are as alive and active as they have been since he's been here. He was outstanding (in the scrimmage). He made some terrific cuts. He ran with power and determination," he said.Del Rio said it's fair to suggest that his running ability is improving because it's been four years since the surgery.If he can replace Taylor as an every down back and Drew shows he can add explosive threat, the Jaguars might decide they don't need Taylor.The relationship between Taylor and Del Rio went downhill when Taylor, who wanted a new contract, skipped the team's offseason program.Then he suffered a mild hamstring pull in the conditioning run before camp. He saw limited duty the first week although he did go in the scrimmage and got nine yards in three carries.But the Taylor situation bears close watching. It could be that Taylor will have such a good preseason that the Jaguars decide they can't let him go.There's no doubt, though, that he's fighting for a job.
I hope people aren't actually taking this to be anything remotely as the truth. This is clearly some reporters idea and speculative story that he's getting paid to write. There isn't anything outside of his speculation that this might even happen. I guess anything is possible but do you really think outside of injury that anyone besides Taylor will be the starter?Proceed with caution and look at the source gents. It's just 1 man's (writers) opinion and he's got nothing to back it up.
 
From rotoworld today:Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio implied Greg Jones has a chance to win the team' starting job."You can pick your fantasy team anyway you want," Del Rio said. "The guys who make plays, we're going to give more plays so they can make more of them." We are taking Jones earlier than ever on our fantasy team because he's likely to get short-yardage carries and possibly more.
A little more form Fanball:
08/10 12:41 Jaguars: Taylor no lock to startTHE NEWSJust because Fred Taylor has been the Jaguars' starting running back doesn't mean he's guaranteed that job for 2006. "Last year, certainly, Fred was our blue-chip bell cow, the guy we were going to hand the ball to," Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio told the Florida Times-Union. "When he wasn't there, we gave it to Greg [Jones], and he did a good job with that opportunity. If everything went according to the way we anticipate, it would be the same [as last season], but we're going to see. Where we have legitimate competition, we're going to play the best guys who give us a chance to be successful. You can pick your fantasy team any way you want. The guys who make plays, we're going to give more plays so they can make more of them."Our ViewThis is shaping up to be another case where the coach goes with the hot hand, which suggests fantasy owners should either handcuff Taylor to Jones or avoid the situation entirely. Jones has been impressive during camp, and it wouldn't be at all surprising to see him bump Taylor aside for significant carries; if you must have a Jaguar back, he's the one you'll want to grab.
"blue-chip bell cow" :lmao: IF Greg Jones somehow wins the starting spot, he'd be a steal at his ADP. Especially since he'll be getting the goal line work.
 
I hope people aren't actually taking this to be anything remotely as the truth. This is clearly some reporters idea and speculative story that he's getting paid to write. There isn't anything outside of his speculation that this might even happen. I guess anything is possible but do you really think outside of injury that anyone besides Taylor will be the starter?

Proceed with caution and look at the source gents. It's just 1 man's (writers) opinion and he's got nothing to back it up.
Exactly. It's got about as much weight as any other media opinion piece. The first poster copied the article but didn't link it or indicate the source. Here's the link. It's just speculation of some Fox Sports football guy. Fox doesn't even give byline credit to anyone for these team reports.

Some articles written by Rotoworld people (sometimes Rosenthal, sometimes others) show up on the Fox website, but I think (not certain) the team reports are done by Fox staff.

 
Mediaspeak means about as much as coachspeak. IMO about zero. FT starts people.

Still, IMO Jones is worth a late-round look/cheap auction bid given Fragile Freddy's history and the general opportunity Jones would have.

 
A) Where does the article say anything about cut? ETA: Whoops it's in the Inside Slant article but not the Fanball one. The original local article mentions nothing about cut.

B) Both FoxSports/Fanball and Rotoworld intentionally leave out an important sentence from the original article:

Taylor's start in question

In the past three seasons, Fred Taylor has seen limited action during the preseason. Slowed by injuries all three years, he carried the football a total of 17 times, and just four times last preseason.

But there never was any doubt that the running back would open the regular season as long as he was healthy.

As Del Rio said, "Last year, certainly, Fred was our blue-chip bell cow, the guy we were going to hand the ball to, and when he wasn't there, we gave it to Greg [Jones], and he did a good job with that opportunity.''

Does that mean Jones actually has a chance to challenge Taylor for the starting job if he has a big preseason? Del Rio talked around the subject but didn't rule it out.

"I hate to get into a speculation game," he said. "I think the best way to approach it is we're going to let guys work, so roles will be determined over the course of the next three or four weeks. We always have the ability to be flexible and adjust as the need arises this year.

"If everything went according to the way we anticipate, it would be the same [as last season], but we're going to see. We've got some time to look at that across the board. Where we have legitimate competition, we're going to play the best guys who give us a chance to be successful.''

Del Rio wouldn't be any more specific.

"You can pick your fantasy team anyway you want," he said. "The guys who make plays, we're going to give more plays so they can make more of them. The more you produce, the more we're going to create ways to get your hands on the ball.''

Taylor now is healthy after suffering a mild hamstring pull at the start of camp, and he's still the starter, but Jones appears to have a shot to make it a competitive situation with a big preseason.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...g_4357973.shtmlIf anything the local paper yesterday made it sound like Pearman/Toefield are the ones on the hot seat.

Drew's arrival likely means Toefield or Pearman won't make Jaguars roster.

By VITO STELLINO, The Times-Union

LaBrandon Toefield understands the Jaguars' numbers game at running back.

"Everybody knows that they can't keep all of us,'' he said. "Somebody is going to have to go. Whether it's me or someone else, I'm prepared.''

The Jaguars have all five veteran running backs returning from last year. They also drafted Maurice Drew in the second round of the draft.

That's why coach Jack Del Rio said running back is the deepest position on the team.

That's good for the Jaguars, but it means that - barring injury - they'll have to send a veteran running back packing before the start of the season if they keep the usual quota of five running backs.

Fred Taylor and Greg Jones are the starters. Derrick Wimbush is a backup fullback who can return kicks, and Drew is a lock to make the team because he's a high draft pick.

Two other backs on the roster - Rich Alexis, who has spent much of the past two years on the practice squad, and undrafted rookie Montell Owens - are long shots.

That likely leaves Toefield and Alvin Pearman in a musical-chairs battle for the last spot when the music of the preseason ends. Both were drafted in the fourth round - Toefield in 2003 and Pearman in 2005.

Running backs coach Kennedy Pola said the two players are similar. "They're smart, tough, real good ball-catchers, and they're fine-tuning their skills,'' Pola said.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...g_4316890.shtml
 
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So what's going on here?

Taylor is 30 years old, he turns 31 in January, he's "in the best shape of his life" pulling hamstrings.

Greg Jones only averaged 3.8 YPC backing up Fred last season with plenty of attempts. He's got hands of stone as well, so it's not like he's got much "value" except as a late-round flier.

None of the other guys have ever showed anything on the field.

Is this just a stay-the-hell-away-from-this-mess (STHAFTM) type of situation? Or do you take the chance on Taylor with ADP 5.12 ?! Greg Jones is sitting at 9.11 ADP as well - not exactly cheap either.

 
From rotoworld today:Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio implied Greg Jones has a chance to win the team' starting job."You can pick your fantasy team anyway you want," Del Rio said. "The guys who make plays, we're going to give more plays so they can make more of them." We are taking Jones earlier than ever on our fantasy team because he's likely to get short-yardage carries and possibly more.
Dont get ahead of yourself. Fred Taylor still is the starter.
I heard Del Rio say this on NFL Total Access...The shows lead in also implied that Taylor might not be the guy this year. I heard nothing about him possibly being cut or traded though.
 
So what's going on here?Taylor is 30 years old, he turns 31 in January, he's "in the best shape of his life" pulling hamstrings.Greg Jones only averaged 3.8 YPC backing up Fred last season with plenty of attempts. He's got hands of stone as well, so it's not like he's got much "value" except as a late-round flier.None of the other guys have ever showed anything on the field.Is this just a stay-the-hell-away-from-this-mess (STHAFTM) type of situation? Or do you take the chance on Taylor with ADP 5.12 ?! Greg Jones is sitting at 9.11 ADP as well - not exactly cheap either.
I haven't watched alot of J'ville games so maybe a homer can help me out here- my assumption is that GJones has been playing fullback/short yardage situation runner last year, as opposed to losts of meaningful carries at tailback. If that is true, that would explain his low YPC #'s.as has been mentioned earlier - he was awesome in college - if he is back to that form, he should definately provide value in the 9th round. I'm sure he would have been a 1st rounder when he was drafted if he didn't blow out his knee.
 
Last night, neither Taylor or Jones looked very good simply because the line didn't open up any holes. Miami really controlled the play in the first half. Jones lined up as a HB last night in the 2nd quarter and had a couple of tough inside runs.

Drew by far looked the best, but of course, that was against the scrubs in the 2nd half.

Toefield did nothing and I wouldn't be surprised if he's the odd man out come cutdown time.

 
It is what it is said:
Greg Jones was an absolute beast in college :yes: and he has been a very solid pro thus far in his career. And Fred Taylor is not the RB he once was at the start of his NFL career. IF Jones is back to his college form as is being reported, he is definitely one to upgrade in drafts this year. Especially considering his current adp. The Greg Jones from his college days, is better than the Fred Taylor of today. :shock:
 
Greg Jones was an absolute beast in college :yes: and he has been a very solid pro thus far in his career. And Fred Taylor is not the RB he once was at the start of his NFL career. IF Jones is back to his college form as is being reported, he is definitely one to upgrade in drafts this year. Especially considering his current adp. The Greg Jones from his college days, is better than the Fred Taylor of today. :shock:
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I think a trade would be much more likely than him being cut. Fred can run, and run well when healthy.
:goodposting: Teams are in need of RBs. Michael Bennett gets traded for a 4th. Unless he's hurt Jax will not cut him, they will trade him.

But I think he remains a Jag for this year and is the opening day starter.
Agree here. Why lower your depth at RB?Move doesn't make sense.
Because they arent going to carry all of those RBs on the final roster?
 

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