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Josh Gordon - August 1, 2016 (1 Viewer)

Anarchy99 said:
THAT'S why the league is taking its sweet time. They aren't convinced he learned anything or how to behave in his time away.
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Pissing clean, not getting arrested, staying in top shape, and supporting your team and the league throughout your suspensions should be ALL that matters. 

If Josh has to avoid every player/celeb who has even been suspended/arrested, he'll have NOBODY to be around. 

 
Soulfly3 said:
Pissing clean, not getting arrested, staying in top shape, and supporting your team and the league throughout your suspensions should be ALL that matters. 

If Josh has to avoid every player/celeb who has even been suspended/arrested, he'll have NOBODY to be around. 
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Not true at all. There is more to consider. Contrition. Whether you've matured. Whether you're prone to making better choices... He seems to be failing in all of that.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Pissing clean, not getting arrested, staying in top shape, and supporting your team and the league throughout your suspensions should be ALL that matters. 

If Josh has to avoid every player/celeb who has even been suspended/arrested, he'll have NOBODY to be around. 
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Should be.  You can't be so ignorant to believe that's the case though, can you?

 
Soulfly3 said:
Pissing clean, not getting arrested, staying in top shape, and supporting your team and the league throughout your suspensions should be ALL that matters. 

If Josh has to avoid every player/celeb who has even been suspended/arrested, he'll have NOBODY to be around. 
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I agree that it shouldn't matter what he does, but the cold hard truth is it does matter. And it matters a lot.

Goodell cares about protecting the shield and the image of the league. Two problem players with drug and alcohol issues hanging out together in settings with drugs and alochol potentially makes the league look bad, especially if they start posting pics at these places together.

In many ways, it's juvenile behavior. Supporting your team on the field is different than hanging out with a guy that was cut for being a bad seed, partying out of control, and allegedly smacking his girl around.

If the edict is to show contrition and be squeaky clean for a full year and not to hear a peep out of him, this is not a good way to proceed. Even if it is not to the letter of the law against the rules, it just doesn't look good.

 
Put another way, let's say a wife forgives her husband for having an affair. But then the husband posts a pic of himself and the other woman in a slinky evening gown a week later at a party. It looks really bad, even if that was the only thing they did together the entire night and it was completely innocent. 

Then in the aftermath, the husband saying "I can hang out with whomever I want" looks, really, really bad.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Johnny is, by all accounts doing everything to change his life around, and has apparently been seen at many clubs, completely sober. 
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This made me laugh.  I'm assuming they must have seen him right as he pulled up to valet.  Or are we talking about Sam's Club or BJ's Wholesale Club?  Even still, I question his sobriety.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Put another way, let's say a wife forgives her husband for having an affair. But then the husband posts a pic of himself and the other woman in a slinky evening gown a week later at a party. It looks really bad, even if that was the only thing they did together the entire night and it was completely innocent. 

Then in the aftermath, the husband saying "I can hang out with whomever I want" looks, really, really bad.
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Great comparison. I'm still trying to figure out of Gordon is taunting Goodell, since he knows he hasn't pi**ed hot, or if he is a genuinely stupid guy.

 
Soulfly3 said:
You find me evidence beyond a photo of the 2 of them, at an event where TONS of athletes and stars were, showing that they are hanging out, and you'll see me write "now Im starting to worry"
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Have you written this yet?

 
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Soulfly3 said:
Nope. Not smart of him, but with the news that Manziel has been seeking help and is sober, the situation has changed. 
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Please share whatever inside information you have of Manziel seeking help or being sober.  I did a quick search and couldn't find anything.

 
Soulfly3 said:
He beat this piss out of his girlfriend?

Was he charged with that... or???
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Well, looks like it was likely that Josh Gordon was there too, so you know, one of those two.  

But Johnny seems like a more do-it-yourself kind of guy, I don't think he'd hand this off to Josh.  

 
massraider said:
Well, looks like it was likely that Josh Gordon was there too, so you know, one of those two.  

But Johnny seems like a more do-it-yourself kind of guy, I don't think he'd hand this off to Josh.  
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ah, so he ALLEGEDLY beat his girlfriend, but was charged for no crime, at all?

 
Soulfly3 said:
I'm not here to do your research for you. Learn to google, listen to radio shows etc if you want info for yourself.
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So no evidence; got it.

So, when you said you'd admit concern if Gordon & Manziel were hanging out, you were just kidding, huh?

 
Short of Josh and Johnny being blood brothers and going to a locked down, hard nosed, long-term rehab center together, nothing good can come from the two spending time together. Manziel is just plain toxic right now, and no one wants to be affiliated or attached to toxic. It's just that simple. Add in Gordon's own issues, and we are looking at toxic squared.

Sadly, what is true, what is chargeable, and what is provable in a court of law still doesn't change the perception of Johnny Football. The truth is almost irrelevant in the eyes of the general public. I'm on board that that's not how it should be, but that's how it is.

As far as having to "do your research" to see how people are doing, that right there speaks to the problem. If people have to SEARCH for how someone is doing, that means the lasting impression is that the player still has issues. The message of changed or rehabilitated or better or more mature and grown up has not come through if people have to search to see that PLAYER X has changed his ways.

As my parents used to say, if you weren't out at all hours at places you shouldn't be, you would not have to prove your innocence. Being in Vegas is not a crime. But being in Vegas with one of the most toxic players in the NFL when you are trying to get reinstated and remake your image makes it a crime in the court of public opinion.

 
Goodell doesn't give a rat's #### about public perception.

Goodell will do, what Goodell wants. Guy could be a damn angel and get his suspension stayed, and could be a POS and get reinstated. 

All this chit chat means literally nothing. 

 
Meanwhile good guy Aldon Smith resigns with the Raiders. It would be crazy if he gets to play in the NFL again and Gordon doesn't. 

 
It all makes sense now. Soul Fly Fisherman (Fisherman, three syllables, hence the 3). Why did I not put two and two together sooner?

 
JuniorNB said:
At least we can stop asking what's taking Goodell so long.  Of all the players that Gordon could have chosen to be hanging out with, he chooses the coke addict alcoholic. Gordon may be the dumbest player the league has ever seen. Who is advising this guy??
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Yep. Now we know what is taking Goodell so long. He's not going to reinstate Gordon and take the chance that a month later Gordon screws up and embarrasses the NFL shield. Goodell knows Gordon is playing with fire and it's only a matter of time.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Does posting what the actual person this thread is dedicated to is posting, constitute "chit chat"? 
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When the post has no context or substance, yeah it does.

An old picture of him in a Browns uni could mean he just found out he was reinstated; it could mean he found out his application was denied, and it was a "what used to be" post; it could mean he's so wasted he thinks it's "throwback Thursday" and is posting a random old photo.  Without any substance or context, its just "chit chat."

 
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Bayhawks said:
When the post has no context or substance, yeah it does.

An old picture of him in a Browns uni could mean he just found out he was reinstated; it could mean he found out his application was denied, and it was a "what used to be" post; it could mean he's so wasted he thinks it's "throwback Thursday" and is posting a random old photo.  Without any substance or context, its just "chit chat."
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and I'm the idiot. :lol:

 
Goodell just wants the Browns to be a better team. So he will wait until after the draft to re-instate him. After they draft a wide receiver with an early pick, giving them 2 studs at the position making life miserable for every other NFL defense

 
The Man With No Name said:
Goodell just wants the Browns to be a better team. So he will wait until after the draft to re-instate him. After they draft a wide receiver with an early pick, giving them 2 studs at the position making life miserable for every other NFL defense
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Wait, so he's going to give them an o-line and a QB too???? WINNING!

 
KingPrawn said:
Yep. Now we know what is taking Goodell so long. He's not going to reinstate Gordon and take the chance that a month later Gordon screws up and embarrasses the NFL shield. Goodell knows Gordon is playing with fire and it's only a matter of time.
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Manziel isn't the reason this is dragging on.  

If I was a Goodell conspiracy theorist (and I'm not) I would think that all the noise Gordon's people made last time are the reason there is a delay.  You want to show up Goodell, and talk about how the NFL guys may have screwed up the samples, and how it was barely over the line, and on and on?  

Fine.  He'll take his time, and get to it when he gets to it.  

Aldon Smith did it right.  After he was suspended last year, his people made a deal that if he took his medicine, there would be no more possible sanctions regarding other things, which there could have been.  And you watch, that will pay off later this year when he applies for reinstatement.

Gordn, and his people, are the guy that argues with the cop when he gets pulled over.  Don't win that one too often.

 
Soulfly3 said:
and I'm the idiot. :lol:
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I won't name call but the instagram pic you posted is meaningless without any context.  You have posted a bunch of his pics/tweets etcs and none of them have amounted to anything substantive.

 
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He's likely going to be reinstated soon. Hanging with Johnny Football is a poor decision on his part but will likely not be fatal to his reinstatement process.

I think this thread should go on siesta until a decision is made one way or the other. It's by far the worst current thread in the Shark Pool.

 
After he scores his first TD, I want him to light up a imaginary joint in the end zone... take a huge drag, and blow dat sticky icky up in the air.

 
I was very confident a couple weeks ago that he would be reinstated and would have a pretty good season even after missing the better part of the last 2, now I'm not feeling so great.  This is way past the typical 60 day period, and he's been hanging out with someone else on Goodell's watchlist.  It doesn't mean that he did anything wrong, but 2 players that Goodell doesn't favor hanging out together probably doesn't put them in his good graces, and he still wields godlike power in the NFL.  At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't reinstated, or if he was reinstated with some crazy rules attached that would be almost impossible to follow.

 
I think his Manziel decisions are less a threat to reinstatement (although there's zero way that helps him) and more just a sign that the guy doesn't get it and isn't intelligent enough to trust long term on your team.  I acquired him in two leagues with the intention of flipping him, already have in one league in a trade involving Gronkowski, and will be moving him in the other at the first chance to make a profit.

 
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