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Josh Morgan: A "downer" analysis (1 Viewer)

gbill2004

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Maybe we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves:

49ers-Packers: Josh Morgan skills vs. Packers mistakes POSTED August 18, 1:07 PM Aside from the quarterback situation, Josh Morgan has been the next biggest story over the last ten days. He was making a name for himself with the coaching stafff in practice as he got first team reps due to Ashley Lelie, Bryant Johnson and Arnaz Battle suffering injuries. Then in game situations against the Raiders and Packers, the 6th round pick out of Virginia Tech took it up a notch, making a name for himself on a more national level.After last week's game, I broke down each of Morgan's four impact plays (all receptions). Morgan had an even better game against the Packers, so it only seemed right to break down his performance. Morgan was involved in eight passing plays, finishing with 5 receptions, 114 yards and 1 touchdown.Play #1 - Incomplete Pass - Morgan was covered by Al Harris - He ran a short 2-yard crossing route across the middle of the field (Harris had dropped back into a zone coverage and nobody picked up Morgan); O'Sullivan just overthrew Morgan so that it went off the very tips of his left hand. Had the pass been on the money, the safety was closing in and would have likely stopped him for a short gain. Nothing Morgan could really do therePlay #2 - Incomplete Pass - Morgan was covered by Charles Woodson - I couldn't tell where he lined up or what the route was because of a graphic CBS had up at the snap. Woodson broke up the pass with a nice little reach, however it looked a little underthrown. in reviewing O'Sullivan's throw, he had some decent protection but a couple guys were breaking through and he seemed to short arm the pass just a little bit. A little more behind it and he could have thrown it into Morgan's outstretched hands beyond Woodson's reach.Play #3 - 3-yard reception - Morgan lined up to the right and was covered by nickel back Tramon Williams. He ran a very quick 3-yard pattern on 3rd and 2, giving him enough space to make the first down. Last week on 3rd and 18 or so he ran 15 yards out and after the catch couldn't get the first down. Obviously it is easier to get past the sticks when you only have to go 3 yards, but it was still a good thing to see him do.Play #4 - 22-yard reception - Morgan lined up to the short left covered by Jarrett Bush, a 2nd or 3rd string CB (depending on who you ask). Hill had been split out wide to the other side of the field, but went in motion to line up just past Morgan. Morgan ran a corner route and O'Sullivan dropped the pass right over his left shoulder. It bobbled a little but he gained possession before going out of bounds at the Packers 3. It wasn't the prettiest pass from O'Sullivan but the location probably could not have been more perfect.Play #5 - 59-yard TD reception - Morgan lined up to the far right and was covered by Jarrett Bush. Bush gave Morgan a push at the line but Morgan just pushed Bush away and ran what appeared to just be a go route. On the replay, it appeared Bush was playing a short zone coverage, expecting the free safety, Nick Collins to cover him over the top. A key to breaking such a big play was that Collins went to cover Jason Hill when Hill ran a short out pattern, even though Bush had Hill covered in his zone. That allowed Morgan to blow right past him (Collins) and with the money pass from O'Sullivan, Morgan was going to the house. Atari Bigby got a hand on Morgan's leg at the 10 but Morgan kicked it away pretty easily.Play #6 - Incomplete Pass - Morgan lined up to the left in the slot, covered by Bush. He had Bush beat easily by a couple yards but Smith underthrew it. If it had been thrown in stride Morgan has his 2nd TD of the game.Play #7 - 3-yard reception - Morgan lined up to the right in the slot, covered by 2nd string linebacker Tracy White. Morgan zigged in and then quickly cut out on a play-action by Smith. Morgan appeared to be the dump off option after Smith rolled out looking down field. He went down to his knees and had to reach a little to haul it in, and I thought he showed good hands as he had to bring it in while sliding out of bounds.Play #8 - 27-yard reception - Morgan was split out wide to the right, covered again by Jarrett Bush. He ran what appeared to be a long 20-yard curl pattern. Smith threw it a bit high, but Morgan was able to jump up and haul it in and pick up an additional 7 yards thanks in part to a nice stiff arm on Bush.The running theme in most of these plays? Jarrett Bush was Josh Morgan's personal whipping boy. Bush's scouting report indicates he's more of a special teams dynamo who lacks deep speed and recovery ability when working as a cornerback. Over at the Packers website, Bush is listed as a third teamer so clearly he's not going to see a ton of action at corner.While I definitely enjoyed the 59-yard touchdown reception, it was in large part a product of a mistake by Nick Collins. The two plays I enjoyed the most were actually play #6, an incompletion and play #8, the 27 yard reception. In the first one he clearly burned Bush and was ready to make the big play. In the latter play, he appeared to find a perfect seam in the zone and then used his physicality to gain an additional 7 yards.In re-watching Morgan I'm able to temper my enthusiasm somewhat. I still think he's got all the tools to be a very solid cornerback and in two games he's shown steady improvements in his game. One key for any young receiver is recognizing mistakes in the defense and taking advantage of them. At the same time, stick a #1 or #2 corner on him and he will probably struggle a little bit; not exactly a shocking statement considering he is only a rookie. I certainly hope I'm not coming across as Debbie Downer. I simply want to present both sides of the case. Trust me, I'm still excited for what Josh Morgan is capable of doing.This Thursday against the Bears will be the next test in the youngster's developing career. The Bears bring very solid cornerbacks so we'll see if Morgan can make some plays early against the #1s.
 
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Balance that out with the fact that he's a rookie and will only get better as he faces more #1 and #2 CBs. Still looks like a solid option to add to a dynasty team and worth a flyer in a redraft.

ETA: Was it really necessary to start 2 Josh Morgan threads in one evening?

 
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As a guy who watches a lot of Packer games, Bush is Green Bay's 3rd best CB. He's on the field quite often and he didn't get constantly burned last season.

 
So you're saying that a 6th round rookie WR learning a complex pro offense with a bunch of crap at QB isn't a sure thing? :)

 
ETA: Was it really necessary to start 2 Josh Morgan threads in one evening?
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I appreciate his enthusiasm for the hobby, but every thought which pops into his head becomes a new thread.
Sorry guys...same player, but a completely different discussion/theme. My thinking is each deserves its own thread...
Like "3 reasons why you like T. Jones" and "T. Jones with Favre in town"? Are those different discussions too that needed their own threads?
 
ETA: Was it really necessary to start 2 Josh Morgan threads in one evening?
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I appreciate his enthusiasm for the hobby, but every thought which pops into his head becomes a new thread.
Sorry guys...same player, but a completely different discussion/theme. My thinking is each deserves its own thread...
Like "3 reasons why you like T. Jones" and "T. Jones with Favre in town"? Are those different discussions too that needed their own threads?
Well..one is me asking a question a few days ago...I forgot about that thread.The new one is after doing some research, my analysis of Thomas Jones situation. One's a question, and one is my analysis. Again...sorry if that offended you so much.
 
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Josh Morgan hype is reaching such a fevered pitch you'd think it was 2003 with Marc Boerigter.... :excited: :pickle:

by week 2, we won't even remember the name Josh Morgan

 
Something tells me that Frank, Ike, Vernon, Bryant, Jason, and Ashley might just steal a catch or two from young Joshua come the regular season as well.

 
At this point in the pre-season, every fantasy owner that has spent any time looking for the low profile sleeper or undervalued pick has already read about the same dozen or so players in just about every magazine and website (people like Thomas Jones, Bryant Johnson, Tony Sheffler, etc.) Many times, the so-called "sleepers" eventually end up actually being overvalued because of all their off season fantasy hype. Then, after people have gotten use to the same names as the must-have sleepers, someone comes along and plays well in a few pre-season games and shoots up everyone's draft list. It seems like the closer we get to our actual fantasy drafts, the more we tend to be influenced by such information. I think Morgan will be a decent player, but I agree with the OP that he may very well end up being overvalued in a lot of fantasy drafts.

 
As a guy who watches a lot of Packer games, Bush is Green Bay's 3rd best CB. He's on the field quite often and he didn't get constantly burned last season.
Um, this is exactly one hundred percent incorrect. He is their dime back (#4 CB) Tramon Williams is their "3rd best CB" and Bush was repeatedly targeted and burned by opposing offenses last year to the point that he was benched for Williams.
 
As a guy who watches a lot of Packer games, Bush is Green Bay's 3rd best CB. He's on the field quite often and he didn't get constantly burned last season.
Um, this is exactly one hundred percent incorrect. He is their dime back (#4 CB) Tramon Williams is their "3rd best CB" and Bush was repeatedly targeted and burned by opposing offenses last year to the point that he was benched for Williams.
:goodposting: It doesn't take much to burn Bush.
 
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As a guy who watches a lot of Packer games, Bush is Green Bay's 3rd best CB. He's on the field quite often and he didn't get constantly burned last season.
Um, this is exactly one hundred percent incorrect. He is their dime back (#4 CB) Tramon Williams is their "3rd best CB" and Bush was repeatedly targeted and burned by opposing offenses last year to the point that he was benched for Williams.
Yup...he only started there because he was brought in to be a nickel guy and was the healthiest to start the season.He lost his job and Williams does not appear to be looking back.He is now even behind Blackmon (if he stays health) and with Pat Lee on board as a rookie draft pick...Bush may be out of a job in GB if not for his play on special teams.Though, he was also the fool who tried to pick up the ball in the NFC Championship rather than fall on it. :shrug:
 
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So what explains Morgan's 0 last night?
I watched the game, and this is just my thinking, but it seemed Alex Smith is the answer to your question. He threw one that caused Morgan to get destroyed by defenders. O'Sullivan didn't target him, but he looked to be covered well by the first string defense. Smith's targets to him probably shouldn't have been thrown at him.Anyone else that watched the game see it this way?
 
The one thing I noticed last night was Mike Martz's continued failure at red zone play calling.

Gore did have 2 shots at the goaline but other than that the play calling inside the 20 is questionable at times.

Morgan was covered last night....that is what I saw. On the one pass from Alex Smith on at 15 yard out they were not on the same page. Smith threw the ball before his break and Morgans break might have been a tad slow....that is why they practice and have pre-season games. Plus it looks as though Alex Smith has lost his starting job....for now.

 
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So what explains Morgan's 0 last night?
I watched the game, and this is just my thinking, but it seemed Alex Smith is the answer to your question. He threw one that caused Morgan to get destroyed by defenders. O'Sullivan didn't target him, but he looked to be covered well by the first string defense. Smith's targets to him probably shouldn't have been thrown at him.Anyone else that watched the game see it this way?
I missed the first quarter, but yes, in the 2nd quarter Alex Smith led Morgan into big hits at least twice. Smith was all over the place...he's gotta go.
 
The one thing I noticed last night was Mike Martz's continued failure at red zone play calling.Gore did have 2 shots at the goaline but other than that the play calling inside the 20 is questionable at times.Morgan was covered last night....that is what I saw. On the one pass from Alex Smith on at 15 yard out they were not on the same page. Smith threw the ball before his break and Morgans break might have been a tad slow....that is why they practice and have pre-season games. Plus it looks as though Alex Smith has lost his starting job....for now.
When they were at the 1 yard line, they fed it to Gore twice. The Bears might be a shell of their former self, but I question whether it was a good idea to do that. The defense seemed to see it coming. Then again, what do I know, I'm just a DBA.
 
The one thing I noticed last night was Mike Martz's continued failure at red zone play calling.
First drive - they go 4 straight run plays from their own 25 to Chicago's 16. Then Martz calls two straight passes to make it 3rd and 5 and Gore gets stuffed for 1 yard. Makes no sense.. you bludgeoned them with 4 straight runs, but you start passing on 1st at 10 at their 16?
 
Restricted said:
So what explains Morgan's 0 last night?
I watched the game, and this is just my thinking, but it seemed Alex Smith is the answer to your question. He threw one that caused Morgan to get destroyed by defenders. O'Sullivan didn't target him, but he looked to be covered well by the first string defense. Smith's targets to him probably shouldn't have been thrown at him.Anyone else that watched the game see it this way?
Actually, I saw him wide open on a couple of other plays, including on the TD pass. Smith also misfired another pass to him while he was wide open.He put up a zero on the day, but he was heavily involved, and probably would have had at least a couple of catches with better play from Alex Smith.
 
I not sure what the point is. We know Josh Morgan is a late round pick. He's got a great opportunity but he's a gamble. If it doesn't pay off, it shouldn't ruin your fantasy team. There's not much to discuss until the we see him in regular season games. If you look at my roster in my sig, he's by WR6. I like him, but it doesn't matter if he busts.

 
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As a guy who watches a lot of Packer games, Bush is Green Bay's 3rd best CB. He's on the field quite often and he didn't get constantly burned last season.
We must be watching two different guys.Bush is awful. Period. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut consiering the play of Tramon Williams, Blackmon, and the drafting of Lee.
 
As a guy who watches a lot of Packer games, Bush is Green Bay's 3rd best CB. He's on the field quite often and he didn't get constantly burned last season.
We must be watching two different guys.Bush is awful. Period. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut consiering the play of Tramon Williams, Blackmon, and the drafting of Lee.
I guess I saw things differently. I see Bush as the 3rd best guy(though after Woodson and Harris, none of them are very good) I'd be shocked if Bush was cut, though he may lose the job to Williams. I was impressed with Bush when Woodson was out last season, especially in the finale against Detroit.
 

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