I was in the pool
Footballguy
What I am wondering, what if green goes to a bad spot like cleveland and jones goes to a good landing spot like the rams for example. The decision between the two gets a lot tougher in my eyes....
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Footballguy
I'd take Julio 10/10 times in that scenario.
BuckeyeChaos
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Why is Cleveland a bad spot? I would say someplace like CAR or AZ as a bad spot. CLE is up and coming with Colt at the helm. I think Green could thrive in CLE.
shader
Footballguy
Why would anyone consider Cleveland "up and coming"? In a division with Baltimore and Pittsburgh, they will likely struggle to be relevant for another decade. Colt had a few decent games, but it was more of a "wow he didn't suck that bad" instead of a "wow he was really good".
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Cleveland is a bad spot because the passing game will be based on short timing routes (WCO plus semi-established QB has questionable arm strength) to TEs, RBs, and possession WRs. I don't think this plays to Green's strengths. Green is still so astronomically better than any other skill player they have, he'd get targets and catches and be ok, but might make reaching elite production hard. I would be less worried about Julio in Cleveland if somehow he landed there (see TO in SF when Garcia was QB).
I don't think there are any truly bad spots for either of them. Just mouth watering dream scenarios like STL. Even Carolina will likely end up not being terrible - short term they sign a vet like Volek to start over Claussen and long term they draft a better QB next year. I doubt Carolina is thinking about either WR.
I don't think there are any truly bad spots for either of them. Just mouth watering dream scenarios like STL. Even Carolina will likely end up not being terrible - short term they sign a vet like Volek to start over Claussen and long term they draft a better QB next year. I doubt Carolina is thinking about either WR.
loose circuits
Footballguy
wow, he did all of that with a broken foot. Pretty amazing
jurb26
Footballguy
There's an awful lot to like about J. Jones and I agree with your overall premise that he's about as physically imposing a WR as there has been to come out. His size and athletic ability are something we can all simply look at an marvel. I don't agree with the above though. I made certain to watch the Bama/LSU game to keep an eye on the matchup above in particular. What I saw was a far cry from Jones easily winning that matchup. I thought it was one of the best matchups I saw all year long and both guys looked like elite NFL talent. I came away from that game cementing Peterson as the head and shoulders top DB and possibly the best prospect in the 2011 draft though. I think Peterson had the more impressive day and better end of the performance. Peterson was pretty much isolated on Jones all game long. Not particularly unusual. What was unusual was his fearlessness at challenging Jones at the LOS and successfully disrupting him regularly. I remember LSU being extremely aggressive in the defensive strategy, consistently leaving CBs isolated 1 on 1 with Alabama WRs. As I recall, Bama used several quick hitting plays and a few bubble screen type plays to try and get their WR, Jones included, reception the ball quickly and to try and take advantage of the aggressive D. It didn't really work. Peterson did a fantastic job in containing Jones IMO. Jones biggest play was made when Peterson was out of the game IIRC. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Peterson easily won the matchup either. I think there was some pretty good balance throughout the day of both guys making plays. As a matter of fact I remember one play in which Jones cleanly beat Peterson off the line and then made a great back shoulder catch on a quick fade. Peterson still had great coverage but great players make plays and that's what Jones did. Jones also beat Peterson for the late TD and made a great leaping catch. Peterson again had very solid coverage but the QB delivered the ball in the perfect spot, high and away, as Peterson undercut the route and Jones pulling in the high pass. What I think gets lost in the highlights of the game is just how well Peterson handled Jones at the LOS. On top of that, there were several plays in which you could see Jones was the obvious 1st read and intended option but Peterson's great coverage and disruption at the LOS forced the QB to move on to secondary options. Almost half of Jones catches, 4 by my count, were not against Peterson. It was a great battle to watch and I'm glad I took some notes.
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Hoss_Cartwright
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Alabama WR Jones will undergo foot surgery NFL Network's Charley Casserly reports that Alabama WR Julio Jones will require surgery to repair a fracture in his foot.According to Casserly, Jones should still be 100 percent before the season, after eight weeks of recovery. It's believed the fracture was discovered in Combine medical checks, but Jones performed all drills in Indianapolis anyway. While it makes Jones' incredible Combine even more impressive, it's certainly possible that the surgery could affect Jones' draft stock. Michael Crabtree fell to No. 10 overall in 2009, at least in part due to a similar pre-draft operation.'loose circuits said:
This might actually be a good thing for people wanting to take Jones. His performance was enough to push him into the top 10 but now this injury might limit how high he ends up going giving him a better chance of falling to St. Louis. I am praying that the Rams find a way to get this guy on their roster.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
There's an awful lot to like about J. Jones and I agree with your overall premise that he's about as physically imposing a WR as there has been to come out. His size and athletic ability are something we can all simply look at an marvel. I don't agree with the above though. I made certain to watch the Bama/LSU game to keep an eye on the matchup above in particular. What I saw was a far cry from Jones easily winning that matchup. I thought it was one of the best matchups I saw all year long and both guys looked like elite NFL talent. I came away from that game cementing Peterson as the head and shoulders top DB and possibly the best prospect in the 2011 draft though. I think Peterson had the more impressive day and better end of the performance. Peterson was pretty much isolated on Jones all game long. Not particularly unusual. What was unusual was his fearlessness at challenging Jones at the LOS and successfully disrupting him regularly. I remember LSU being extremely aggressive in the defensive strategy, consistently leaving CBs isolated 1 on 1 with Alabama WRs. As I recall, Bama used several quick hitting plays and a few bubble screen type plays to try and get their WR, Jones included, reception the ball quickly and to try and take advantage of the aggressive D. It didn't really work. Peterson did a fantastic job in containing Jones IMO. Jones biggest play was made when Peterson was out of the game IIRC. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Peterson easily won the matchup either. I think there was some pretty good balance throughout the day of both guys making plays. As a matter of fact I remember one play in which Jones cleanly beat Peterson off the line and then made a great back shoulder catch on a quick fade. Peterson still had great coverage but great players make plays and that's what Jones did. Jones also beat Peterson for the late TD and made a great leaping catch. Peterson again had very solid coverage but the QB delivered the ball in the perfect spot, high and away, as Peterson undercut the route and Jones pulling in the high pass. What I think gets lost in the highlights of the game is just how well Peterson handled Jones at the LOS. On top of that, there were several plays in which you could see Jones was the obvious 1st read and intended option but Peterson's great coverage and disruption at the LOS forced the QB to move on to secondary options. Almost half of Jones catches, 4 by my count, were not against Peterson. It was a great battle to watch and I'm glad I took some notes.
First of all if a measley 8.9 yards per catch is winning the matchup then I will take that all day. Julio never had any big plays and made a good td catch with Peterson all over him. Julio is a phenomenal athlete but when matched against Peterson for 2 years he has a total of 13 catches for 118 yards not bad but nothing special. 9.0 yards a catch with 1 td is not owning or close to owning him. Julio is strong, can run after the catch, but still needs to become more consistent catching the ball especially the easy ones. I think Julio could be a great receiver as long as he continues to work on his game. Peterson has won the battle in their college career and I look forward to their battle in the pros.
shader
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Julio and Peterson was a great matchup this past year. I thought Julio had a great day, though he didn't break any LONG ones.The year before, Julio should have had three touchdowns. In the first half of that game, McElroy was so horrible, that many team insiders say he almost got benched at halftime. He overthrew Julio twice on touchdowns. Then in the 2nd half, Julio had the long screen pass that went for a TD, though Peterson was out of the game at that point.Both are incredible players and both will be great professionals. I wouldn't say either one owned the other, but Julio certainly did very well for himself.
shader
Footballguy
They are saying that it is an 8 week recuperation time, which means he will almost be fully healthy by the time the draft starts.That being said, I think he would have needed a tremendous pro day to have any chance of shooting past Green or getting into the top of the draft.St Louis would be the perfect destination and when you look at how well many of the DL and LB's performed yesterday, it's certainly possible that Julio could drop.
gump
Footballguy
Julio and Peterson came in as freshman together...and went head-to-head 3 times. You skipped their freshman year, when Julio put on a show...including essentially the game-winning catch down to the 1-yard line in OT.In those 3 games, Julio had 21 catches, 319 yds, 2 TDs.
Neither 'won the battle'...it was a memorable rivalry that showed brilliance from both side...as both players will tell you.
gump
Footballguy
When asked what WR he'd take first....Peterson said...after praising both...that he'd take Julio...and that their battles were 'epic'.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Frail? He is stronger than Jones. Out-benched him at the combine...
Darker Knight
Footballguy
yeah Green killed Jones in the bench press. Pushed out a total of 1 more. But they were close everywhere else right?Jones, Julio Alabama 4.39 17 38.5 11'3
Green, A.J. Georgia 4.50 18 34.5 10'6
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
My point is: the dividing line between these two has either hinged on Jones being so much stronger or Green's hands being so much better. I was illustrating that Jones being so much stronger is a misconception. In fact, it isn't true at all...
Carolina Hustler
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I think the "frail" comment was intended to mean that Green seems a bit more fragile or 'less-tough'... I would agree with that based on physique.
Bench pressing 250, and standing up to the practicalities out on the battle field are 2 different things.
I'm a firm believer in both guys, and I agree that they are alot closer than some appear to suggest. But Green is definitely more talented and Jones is definitely a better physical specimen..
Edge right now goes to Green, but could change based on where they end up..
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ROYALWITCHEESE
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He stated this "frailty" as if it were a fact. Green missed a couple games with a shoulder sprain, but played through the injury in the bowl game. The only other way he could be labeled as "frail" is by being weak, or pushed around. He wasn't pushed around in college, and was in fact a decent blocker in his own right. So he isn't any less tough either. He is definitely more of a finesse and acrobatic WR, but that does not make him frail or fragile...
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Carolina Hustler
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So are you saying he's just as tough as Jones? Just as physical? Equal in physicality and physique?No one here said he was weak. And frail might be an exaggeration, but Green is definitely less of a physical player/athlete then Jones.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
The Cowboys are taking calls with the 9th spot.before the combine. Someone will sneak in before StL, I could care less, I just want to see him play on Sundays.
purplejesus28
Footballguy
Green: 166 catches, 2,619 yards, 15.8 ave, 23 TDs= 11.3 playmaker score
Jones: 179, 2,653, 14.8 ave, 15 TDs= 5.6 playmaker score
For comparison (Playmaker score):
Larry Fitzgerald 22.6
Michael Crabtree 21.3
Dez Bryant 17.1
Andre Johnson 16.5
Reggie Wayne 16.0
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=5081244
Jones: 179, 2,653, 14.8 ave, 15 TDs= 5.6 playmaker score
For comparison (Playmaker score):
Larry Fitzgerald 22.6
Michael Crabtree 21.3
Dez Bryant 17.1
Andre Johnson 16.5
Reggie Wayne 16.0
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=5081244
shader
Footballguy
Julio is sitting at 883 yards. He has done that in about 10 and a half games. He injured his hamstring and missed one half of the Saints game, and injured his hamstring earlier in the season in the 4th quarter of the Packers game. He also basically played a decoy role in his return after one of the injuries.
But enough of the excuses. Even after the injuries, he is one big game away from posting a very rare 1,000 yard rookie season.
He has three games that should make PPR dynasty guys salivate. He dropped a 6/115 on the Bucs, then followed that up with a 11/127. Unfortunately he didn't get to build on those two games as his hamstring injury came the very next week.
This week, he dropped an 8/128.
The most impressive thing is his ability to get it done in all facets of the game. He has shown great speed on slant passes, routinely outrunning the secondary for big gains. He has made a few amazing receptions on deep balls and is a definite downfield threat. He also has shown great leaping ability in the endzone.
Flaws: As rookies usually do, he has a few things to work on. Julio has to keep working on his hands. He could definitely be a long-term offender in this area, much like Terrell Owens was. He will follow up an amazing catch with a drop of an easy catch.
Also at times, he needs to attack the ball more. I noticed that a couple times last night. Despite having a great game, he needs to come back to the ball with a little more energy, but those are typical rookie mistakes. His fumble was likely a one-time mistake, as he's never been one to fumble the ball very often.
All in all, at this point I can't imagine anyone I'd rather have than Julio in a dynasty league, other than Calvin and AJ Green. If you are planning to win now, maybe Fitz...but it's not too hard to imagine Julio out-producing Fitz in 2012 and so I'd take Julio without question.
I've thought for 3 years that Terrell Owens is a fair comparison for Julio, and I continue to think that. The sky is the limit for Julio and regardless of whether he gets to 1,000 or not, it's been a great rookie season, despite the injuries.
The best thing about Julio and AJ Green is that these two young studs are committed and don't seem to have the "diva" in them. Love to block, are tough, and should be top 5 dynasty wr's for years to come.
But enough of the excuses. Even after the injuries, he is one big game away from posting a very rare 1,000 yard rookie season.
He has three games that should make PPR dynasty guys salivate. He dropped a 6/115 on the Bucs, then followed that up with a 11/127. Unfortunately he didn't get to build on those two games as his hamstring injury came the very next week.
This week, he dropped an 8/128.
The most impressive thing is his ability to get it done in all facets of the game. He has shown great speed on slant passes, routinely outrunning the secondary for big gains. He has made a few amazing receptions on deep balls and is a definite downfield threat. He also has shown great leaping ability in the endzone.
Flaws: As rookies usually do, he has a few things to work on. Julio has to keep working on his hands. He could definitely be a long-term offender in this area, much like Terrell Owens was. He will follow up an amazing catch with a drop of an easy catch.
Also at times, he needs to attack the ball more. I noticed that a couple times last night. Despite having a great game, he needs to come back to the ball with a little more energy, but those are typical rookie mistakes. His fumble was likely a one-time mistake, as he's never been one to fumble the ball very often.
All in all, at this point I can't imagine anyone I'd rather have than Julio in a dynasty league, other than Calvin and AJ Green. If you are planning to win now, maybe Fitz...but it's not too hard to imagine Julio out-producing Fitz in 2012 and so I'd take Julio without question.
I've thought for 3 years that Terrell Owens is a fair comparison for Julio, and I continue to think that. The sky is the limit for Julio and regardless of whether he gets to 1,000 or not, it's been a great rookie season, despite the injuries.
The best thing about Julio and AJ Green is that these two young studs are committed and don't seem to have the "diva" in them. Love to block, are tough, and should be top 5 dynasty wr's for years to come.
Hendo
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think the only concern are his hands - he tends to body catch. This however is a treatable problem. I am hoping he doesn't have anymore big games so I can target him in dynasty - not that he would come much cheaper.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Mike Wallace?
duaneok66
Footballguy
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
dead to me.
