Julius Jones is Done in Dallas..... (1 Viewer)

[botabu]

As the starter that is, in my opinion. Barber is Parcells favorite, and has backed up that up with outstanding performance. Jones is absolutely explosive, but he does not have the vision to break the big one unless a huge hole is in front of him. He looks like he is just running into the back of his offensive line at timkes or just getting what he is supposed to, he is not showing any cuts, jukes, etc. This pains me to say as well, because I am a HUGE Jones fan.

I would not be surprised in the least if Jones is traded in the off season......

Thoughts?

 

[Garts]

Thought....hmmmmmmm.....:

I always like MBIII better, thought he was the better RB....but maybe he's perfect in the role he is in and wouldn't be as effective with more carries (Tatum Bell).

 

[lod2005]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

 

[Ariakis]

I think JJ's lack of fantasy production is a function of how good MB3 is and of course Romo. This is similar to why Gates isn't productive for fantasy this year because of the situation around him. The basic trend is against inferior opponents start MB3 and even Crayton and bench Julius. Against more competative teams JJ should atleast match MB3's production.

 

[Bankerguy]

As the starter that is, in my opinion. Barber is Parcells favorite, and has backed up that up with outstanding performance. Jones is absolutely explosive, but he does not have the vision to break the big one unless a huge hole is in front of him. He looks like he is just running into the back of his offensive line at timkes or just getting what he is supposed to, he is not showing any cuts, jukes, etc. This pains me to say as well, because I am a HUGE Jones fan.I would not be surprised in the least if Jones is traded in the off season......Thoughts?

Don't confuse Fantasy Football and regular Football.JJ was taken out to be rested for the NYG game.Yes Barber has taken the goal line carries. JJ is the starter.

 

[diesel7982]

JJ had more work than MBIII 4 days ago...it would stand to reason MBIII would get the work today.

 

[PatsWillWin]

JJ is a very good NFL player. Even if he's not a very good fantasy one. He's not going anywhere - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Da Guru]

As the starter that is, in my opinion. Barber is Parcells favorite, and has backed up that up with outstanding performance. Jones is absolutely explosive, but he does not have the vision to break the big one unless a huge hole is in front of him. He looks like he is just running into the back of his offensive line at timkes or just getting what he is supposed to, he is not showing any cuts, jukes, etc. This pains me to say as well, because I am a HUGE Jones fan.I would not be surprised in the least if Jones is traded in the off season......Thoughts?

Don't confuse Fantasy Football and regular Football.JJ was taken out to be rested for the NYG game.Yes Barber has taken the goal line carries. JJ is the starter.

Julie is basically useless in FF.

 

[dmac37]

Not a Dallas fan or a FF owner of either back but every time I see Dallas MBIII looks like the better back!

 

[One]

MBIII > Jones

...but Jones is NOT losing his job any time soon.

 

[Native]

I think theyre both excellent backs that complement each other well. Fortunately for the Cowboys, they dont NEED to pick one guy or the other. The two-back system works perfectly in Dallas, even if it devalues each players individual fantasy production.

 

[Da Guru]

MBIII > Jones ...but Jones is NOT losing his job any time soon.

Only on FF teams. MBIII is the TD machine.

 

[AeroFANatic]

Ive got to think they are both low end #2 RBs at this point. And I agree with an earlier statement- if playing a bad team, start Barber. If playing an equal or better team, play Julius.

I own MB3, and he is the perfect guy for the flex position. Of course, there is risk every week of nil.... however, he has been backing it up lately and their schedule looks very nice down the stretch.

Its not broke, I dont see Parcells changing a thing.

 

[Banger]

Regardless if JJ is the starter or not, he's the 2nd best back in Dallas to own.

 

[Cowboys#1]

listen to Parcells all week he was saying he wanted to keep Julius fresh for the stretch, he wants everything clicking for December 3.

Barber is GREAT around the end zone, no denying that but to say hes a better RUNNING BACK than JJ is not correct.

 

[fsufan]

JJ is the RB from 20 to 20

MBIII is the goal line RB.

I do not think MBIII could handle a full work load. He reminds me of T. Bell, Good change of pace RB.

 

[PatsWillWin]

P.S. This title sucks.

 

[Pnishthm]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

 

[gman8343]

JJ is the RB from 20 to 20MBIII is the goal line RB. I do not think MBIII could handle a full work load. He reminds me of T. Bell, Good change of pace RB.

MBIII also gets most of the work late in blowouts, which further limits JJ's fantasy appeal.

 

[One]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

exactly. he carried the load just fine in his starts last season. I've yet to see any supported reasoning on why people think "he can't carry the load." JJ is the back who can't "carry the load." ...just ask Tuna.

 

[SickThing]

JJ is the RB from 20 to 20MBIII is the goal line RB. I do not think MBIII could handle a full work load. He reminds me of T. Bell, Good change of pace RB.

MBIII also gets most of the work late in blowouts, which further limits JJ's fantasy appeal.

That seems obvious at first, but may be just what he needs to stay fresh throughout the season. I agree with all who say it ain't broke, so Parcells isn't going to fix it.

 

[aposulli]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

Infact, if anyone is incapable of "carrying the load", it's Jones.Why did they draft Barber in the first place? And why does Barber get all the tough carries?

Maybe because Jones failed to remain remotely healthy in his first two seasons.

 

[lod2005]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

Ok I'll rephrase it. He will never carry the load unless there is an injury to Jones. Even then, Thompson will then take carries from Barber. He will NEVER be the feature back. How's that?

 

[PatsWillWin]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

Infact, if anyone is incapable of "carrying the load", it's Jones.Why did they draft Barber in the first place? And why does Barber get all the tough carries?

Maybe because Jones failed to remain remotely healthy in his first two seasons.

 

[simmonjm]

Julius has been having some problems lately after getting past the LBers he is being taken down by the last man a deep safety. Julius used to be able to get past a safety with ease now he struggles. Parcells called him out in a press conference this past week about getting past the last man.

 

[Donnybrook]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

I agree and I really don't get the comparison of MBIII and Tatum Bell. Totally different type of backs IMO.

 

[One]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

Ok I'll rephrase it. He will never carry the load unless there is an injury to Jones. Even then, Thompson will then take carries from Barber. He will NEVER be the feature back. How's that?

I hope he gets HERMANIZED. :fingers crosssed:

 

[PatsWillWin]

Ok I'll rephrase it. He will never carry the load unless there is an injury to Jones. Even then, Thompson will then take carries from Barber. He will NEVER be the feature back. How's that?

Why not?

 

[Cowboys#1]

when you tell me barber is the better nfl back, you lose all credibility.

do you watch the games? or do you watch the 3 yard td runs?

thus far, barber has not shown that he is the better nfl back, if he had he would be starting and JJ would be on the bench. Barber gets his work on 3rd downs (usually as a pass blocker) and in the red zone, great for fantasy but that doesnt mean hes a better nfl back.

i dont think parcells will change the way the backs are being used as its working well..

 

[SickThing]

If you discount the garbage time 4th quarter, Jones had 11 carries to Barber's 10. Then with the big lead in the 4th JJ was given complete rest because he's their starter, and Barber and Polite split at 7 carries each. So really at no point in the game was Barber featured with more carries. This is what to expect in the future.

We've known this since August when Tuna stated;

"In this day and age, having a multiple-back system, if you have the talent to do it, is advantageous to your team," Parcells said. "I'd always been a coach that had a lead back and a supplemental carrier. And then sometimes I had the advantage of having a third-down guy, too. There were always three guys in the mix every week."

He knows he's got something with using hard running Barber late in the game against the tired defenses, but Jones will continue to start, get the majority of early plays, and threaten to break the big one. And Barber is his change of pace / goal line back during that time which is a great role for him as well as keeping wear on Jones down. There's no good reason to change it up.

ETA: BTW, I think Tyson Thompson is Parcells' 3rd guy. Not sure why we didn't see him today. Maybe the one two of Jones and MB3 has been potent enough to limit Thompson and since the 4th was garbage time, he just used Polite a lot then today.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

through (last) sunday, JJ was #16 RB & MB III #17 in FBG scoring...

i don't get the JJ is useless in fantasy point... maybe he isn't an elite, blue chip #1 RB... but there is a lot of room for him to be less than that but still not useless...

in redraft we would have to say barber so far has been better value to score same & no doubt his ADP was far lower... but if the even scoring continues, that will eventually balance out... we will see JJ go lower & make him better value than he was this year on relative basis (assuming he scored same)... conversely, barber would be expected to go higher and therefor becoming not as good a value as he was this year, on a relative basis...

in dynasty leagues, it is premature to suggest that JJ is going to soon become extinct like a dinosaur & MB III will soon dominate in carries... i haven't seen any hard evidence to suggest that a flip flop with barber as feature RB & JJ as backup is imminent... if anything i would say it is the opposite... taking the season as it has unfolded at face value, without reading into it things that aren't there, JJs status as feature RB seems to be largely unchanged...

TDs are high impact in fantasy leagues which allows them to score similarly in that context... but as has been pointed out, that may not be the same as in actual football terms, and at this point JJ clearly has feature role...

i don't see why things have to be so black & white where barber is great & JJ lousy... they have complementary skills, and JJ probably is a little more prone to breaking down (based on past, which is all we can base things on), so it makes sense for parcells to conserve JJ by playing barber liberally, especially on a situational basis...

JJ is the more explosive RB & superior breakaway threat... barber tougher inside runner, as well as being stronger & better at breaking tackles, and probably more well rounded in terms of blocking & catching... together they are more dangerous than either would be by themselves, and parcells would be foolish to dramatically alter the blueprint for ground game distribution he has employed so far, seeing as how well it has worked to this point...

* to date, JJs biggest flaw is inability to avoid injury... ironically, if barber maintains his healthy distribution of carries (if not equal), this increases the chance JJ doesn't get worn down, and therefore paradoxically may be in a BETTER position to maintain his feature RB role...

 

[Pnishthm]

when you tell me barber is the better nfl back, you lose all credibility.do you watch the games? or do you watch the 3 yard td runs?thus far, barber has not shown that he is the better nfl back, if he had he would be starting and JJ would be on the bench. Barber gets his work on 3rd downs (usually as a pass blocker) and in the red zone, great for fantasy but that doesnt mean hes a better nfl back.i dont think parcells will change the way the backs are being used as its working well..

Sorry, but Barber IS the better back. I've watched just about every Dallas game and he runs harder, has better vision and is a better pass catcher. Remember, Romo sat on the bench behind Bledsoe while things were good. Once it broke, they fixed it. Barber will do the same... he will stay behind Jones while "it ain't broke", but as soon as it does break, he will jump in and not look back. How anyone can actually watch both backs and say that JJ is CLEARLY the beter back is beyond me.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

when you tell me barber is the better nfl back, you lose all credibility.do you watch the games? or do you watch the 3 yard td runs?thus far, barber has not shown that he is the better nfl back, if he had he would be starting and JJ would be on the bench. Barber gets his work on 3rd downs (usually as a pass blocker) and in the red zone, great for fantasy but that doesnt mean hes a better nfl back.i dont think parcells will change the way the backs are being used as its working well..

Sorry, but Barber IS the better back. I've watched just about every Dallas game and he runs harder, has better vision and is a better pass catcher. Remember, Romo sat on the bench behind Bledsoe while things were good. Once it broke, they fixed it. Barber will do the same... he will stay behind Jones while "it ain't broke", but as soon as it does break, he will jump in and not look back. How anyone can actually watch both backs and say that JJ is CLEARLY the beter back is beyond me.

clearly parcells doesn't understand the respective skills of his RBs as well as you do...

 

[Cowboys#1]

ive watched every single down both of these guys have played in the NFL.

you have to compare apples to apples, barber runs harder?? i dont think so, he is more elusive, he DOES NOT run up the middle bowling people over, better vision?? maybe, simply because Jones takes what the D gives him and doesnt cut back against the grain hardly ever, better pass catcher, dont agree, barber is in on passing downs for his pass blocking, Jones has proven he can catch the ball well.. its a moot point with Romo as he hardly ever checks down to the RB's anyway.

when JJ got hurt last year Barber got in and did the following

11att 30 yards, 2 rec 21 yards 0 tds

22 att 95 yards, 1 rec 1 yard 0 tds

27 att 127 yards, 2 rec 15 yards 2 tds

13 att 46 yards, 3 rec 0 yards 1 td

15 att 53 yards, 0 for 0 2 tds

couple of low touch games

15 att 82 yards, 2 rec 32 yards 0 td

10 att 30 yards, 4 rec 26 yards 0 td

i know JJ was a factor in at least some of these games (toward the end) but those #'s dont exactly make me fall googoo for Barber as a feature back.

1 great game, a couple 2 good ones and a bunch of :X

 

[Pnishthm]

ive watched every single down both of these guys have played in the NFL.

you have to compare apples to apples, barber runs harder?? i dont think so, he is more elusive, he DOES NOT run up the middle bowling people over, better vision?? maybe, simply because Jones takes what the D gives him and doesnt cut back against the grain hardly ever, better pass catcher, dont agree, barber is in on passing downs for his pass blocking, Jones has proven he can catch the ball well.. its a moot point with Romo as he hardly ever checks down to the RB's anyway.

when JJ got hurt last year Barber got in and did the following

11att 30 yards, 2 rec 21 yards 0 tds

22 att 95 yards, 1 rec 1 yard 0 tds

27 att 127 yards, 2 rec 15 yards 2 tds

13 att 46 yards, 3 rec 0 yards 1 td

15 att 53 yards, 0 for 0 2 tds

couple of low touch games

15 att 82 yards, 2 rec 32 yards 0 td

10 att 30 yards, 4 rec 26 yards 0 td

i know JJ was a factor in at least some of these games (toward the end) but those #'s dont exactly make me fall googoo for Barber as a feature back.

1 great game, a couple 2 good ones and a bunch of :X

They do not put more elusive backs in at the goalline, they put the backs that run harder. Also, your stats for Barber are from last year when he was a rookie. Do you not think that he hasn't gotten better? Even then project those stats over 16 games and he's a 1000 yard rusher with 11 TDs and a 4.0 ypc and I know he didn't even start all 7 of those games.

 

[Pnishthm]

when you tell me barber is the better nfl back, you lose all credibility.do you watch the games? or do you watch the 3 yard td runs?thus far, barber has not shown that he is the better nfl back, if he had he would be starting and JJ would be on the bench. Barber gets his work on 3rd downs (usually as a pass blocker) and in the red zone, great for fantasy but that doesnt mean hes a better nfl back.i dont think parcells will change the way the backs are being used as its working well..

Sorry, but Barber IS the better back. I've watched just about every Dallas game and he runs harder, has better vision and is a better pass catcher. Remember, Romo sat on the bench behind Bledsoe while things were good. Once it broke, they fixed it. Barber will do the same... he will stay behind Jones while "it ain't broke", but as soon as it does break, he will jump in and not look back. How anyone can actually watch both backs and say that JJ is CLEARLY the beter back is beyond me.

clearly parcells doesn't understand the respective skills of his RBs as well as you do...

Guess Parcells didn't understand the respective skills of his QBs too well did he?

 

[Cowboys#1]

ive watched every single down both of these guys have played in the NFL.

you have to compare apples to apples, barber runs harder?? i dont think so, he is more elusive, he DOES NOT run up the middle bowling people over, better vision?? maybe, simply because Jones takes what the D gives him and doesnt cut back against the grain hardly ever, better pass catcher, dont agree, barber is in on passing downs for his pass blocking, Jones has proven he can catch the ball well.. its a moot point with Romo as he hardly ever checks down to the RB's anyway.

when JJ got hurt last year Barber got in and did the following

11att 30 yards, 2 rec 21 yards 0 tds

22 att 95 yards, 1 rec 1 yard 0 tds

27 att 127 yards, 2 rec 15 yards 2 tds

13 att 46 yards, 3 rec 0 yards 1 td

15 att 53 yards, 0 for 0 2 tds

couple of low touch games

15 att 82 yards, 2 rec 32 yards 0 td

10 att 30 yards, 4 rec 26 yards 0 td

i know JJ was a factor in at least some of these games (toward the end) but those #'s dont exactly make me fall googoo for Barber as a feature back.

1 great game, a couple 2 good ones and a bunch of :X

They do not put more elusive backs in at the goalline, they put the backs that run harder. Also, your stats for Barber are from last year when he was a rookie. Do you not think that he hasn't gotten better?

watch the tapes. when was the last time you saw barber run up the gut at the goal line, hes running off tackle and his shiftiness gets him in. also, one thing barber does GREAT is fall forward, he rarely gets taken down for a loss and he is usually good for at least 2-3 yards, where as Jones can get taken down behind the line.as for Barbers growth, i think he has grown the most around the goal line, we havent seen a ton of him in the first quarter when teh other D is fresh and hungry..

 

[SickThing]

I just want to add that this threads title is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

when you tell me barber is the better nfl back, you lose all credibility.do you watch the games? or do you watch the 3 yard td runs?thus far, barber has not shown that he is the better nfl back, if he had he would be starting and JJ would be on the bench. Barber gets his work on 3rd downs (usually as a pass blocker) and in the red zone, great for fantasy but that doesnt mean hes a better nfl back.i dont think parcells will change the way the backs are being used as its working well..

Sorry, but Barber IS the better back. I've watched just about every Dallas game and he runs harder, has better vision and is a better pass catcher. Remember, Romo sat on the bench behind Bledsoe while things were good. Once it broke, they fixed it. Barber will do the same... he will stay behind Jones while "it ain't broke", but as soon as it does break, he will jump in and not look back. How anyone can actually watch both backs and say that JJ is CLEARLY the beter back is beyond me.

clearly parcells doesn't understand the respective skills of his RBs as well as you do...

Guess Parcells didn't understand the respective skills of his QBs too well did he?

i thought you might raise that point...key difference...bledsoe was a known commodity and romo had never started in three previous seasons...is that the case with JJ & MB III... can you really say that parcells is as uncertain about what barber is capable of in game conditions as starter as he was with romo... i don't see how you could make that comparison...look maybe you are right (for other reasons)... but since you are taking the obviously contrarian position that the guy that is playing more (& there is every indication that he will continue to play more) is less talented and the guy playing less is far more talented, the onus should be on you to explain why parcells is missing what you can so easily see... is parcells dumb?given that he is far closer to the situation than denizens of a mssg board (even a knowledgable & sophisticated one like shark pool ), it is easier for me to give parcells the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing... absent a compelling reason why we should think you know better...JJ has had an issue with staying healthy... that is a separate issue from his talent & run skills... he does have two of the highest rushing games in DAL history, in fraction of time dorsett & emmitt had to work with... if he doesn't have good vision, how do you think he rushed for 200 yards... luck?how many times have RBs with lousy vision rushed for 200 yards... ever? maybe it has happened, but it can't have been common or routine, no?* JJ is currently in top 10 in NFL in rushing yardage, and is pacing for 1,200-1,300 yards... while sharing carries with barber... if he got barber's carries, too (& was able to say healthy, not a given... but you don't appear to be addressing his durability... your critique strictly levelled at respective pure run skills), he might be pacing for closer to 1,500-1,600 yards... doesn't exactly sound like a tomato can...

 

[Tick]

Lots of people here are saying JJ is useless for FF.

Heading into this week, he was RB19... that's a solid RB2. In leagues which allow you to start 3 RBs, his value is quite good.

The Shark Pool can be frustrating at times due to hyperbole.

 

[Duke1948]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create becasue he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

and what do you have to back this statement up? when at u. of minnesota he racked up a pretty good amount of rush attempts plus yards so after only 15-20 NFL games i would say the jury is still out about him handling the load.

i own neither

 

[PatsWillWin]

The difference between Bledsoe and Romo and Julius and Barber is that Romo is better than Bledsoe but Barber is not better than Julius/Barber. They work best as a platoon, and regardless of what everyone thinks about who is the better back, I don't see why Parcells would bother changing how the carries are divided right now.

 

[fsufan]

He won't be traded. He is totally useless now as a fantasy RB but he does what Parcell's has planned for him. His problem is that he doesn't create because he run the play as designed. Most likely out of fear of being benched. There is ZERO chance of Barber taking over unless injury. He can't handle the load. That is why Jones starts. You won't see Barber in there unless Jones gets hurt and the way parcell's is playing both, that won't happen.

Why do people say "he can't carry the load"? He's a bigger back than Jones and I sure haven't seen anything that backs this up.

exactly. he carried the load just fine in his starts last season. I've yet to see any supported reasoning on why people think "he can't carry the load." JJ is the back who can't "carry the load." ...just ask Tuna.

total carries year to dateJJ - 213

MBIII- 98

 

[fsufan]

does this remind you of Hearst and Barlow.

Most on this board thought Barlow would be a monster when he started carrying a full work load.

 

[packersfan]

I think JJ's lack of fantasy production is a function of how good MB3 is and of course Romo. This is similar to why Gates isn't productive for fantasy this year because of the situation around him. The basic trend is against inferior opponents start MB3 and even Crayton and bench Julius. Against more competative teams JJ should atleast match MB3's production.

I agree that it's unlikely Parcells will change this situation given how well it's working. I would disagree, though, with the part above about only starting Barber against inferior opponents. He's producing so well I think you start him against anybody right now - especially in a flex league. He's Top 20 in most scoring leagues and it's not like he's loaded up in a couple of games. He's scored in every Dallas victory this year and he is absolutely on fire right now. In a flex league, I'd start Barber regardless of the opponent as no worse than a RB3 (and you can make a very strong case for him being a RB2 in all leagues at the moment).

 

[Bull Dozier]

The difference between Bledsoe and Romo and Julius and Barber is that Romo is better than Bledsoe but Barber is not better than Julius/Barber. They work best as a platoon, and regardless of what everyone thinks about who is the better back, I don't see why Parcells would bother changing how the carries are divided right now.

 

[Ariakis]

RE: to the Anti MB3 expert - Thompson is out for the year with injury

MB3 is a better closer, short-yardage back, and 3rd down back. JJ is more explosive. I think the difference is JJ if MB3 got hurt wouldn't change value too drastically. They'd use that FB that played last night at the GL. If JJ got hurt MB3 would carry the load and get even more yards. To me that makes JJ a safe RB2 and MB3 a flex to RB2 with RB1 potential.

 

[Stinger Ray]

JJ is a very good NFL player. Even if he's not a very good fantasy one. He's not going anywhere - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Dt's Mules]

when you tell me barber is the better nfl back, you lose all credibility.

do you watch the games? or do you watch the 3 yard td runs?

thus far, barber has not shown that he is the better nfl back, if he had he would be starting and JJ would be on the bench. Barber gets his work on 3rd downs (usually as a pass blocker) and in the red zone, great for fantasy but that doesnt mean hes a better nfl back.

i dont think parcells will change the way the backs are being used as its working well..

i am not completely sold either way, but making hyperbolic statements like the bolded one would make anyone lose credibility.

 

[Pnishthm]

when you tell me barber is the better nfl back, you lose all credibility.do you watch the games? or do you watch the 3 yard td runs?thus far, barber has not shown that he is the better nfl back, if he had he would be starting and JJ would be on the bench. Barber gets his work on 3rd downs (usually as a pass blocker) and in the red zone, great for fantasy but that doesnt mean hes a better nfl back.i dont think parcells will change the way the backs are being used as its working well..

Sorry, but Barber IS the better back. I've watched just about every Dallas game and he runs harder, has better vision and is a better pass catcher. Remember, Romo sat on the bench behind Bledsoe while things were good. Once it broke, they fixed it. Barber will do the same... he will stay behind Jones while "it ain't broke", but as soon as it does break, he will jump in and not look back. How anyone can actually watch both backs and say that JJ is CLEARLY the beter back is beyond me.

clearly parcells doesn't understand the respective skills of his RBs as well as you do...

Guess Parcells didn't understand the respective skills of his QBs too well did he?

i thought you might raise that point...key difference...bledsoe was a known commodity and romo had never started in three previous seasons...is that the case with JJ & MB III... can you really say that parcells is as uncertain about what barber is capable of in game conditions as starter as he was with romo... i don't see how you could make that comparison...look maybe you are right (for other reasons)... but since you are taking the obviously contrarian position that the guy that is playing more (& there is every indication that he will continue to play more) is less talented and the guy playing less is far more talented, the onus should be on you to explain why parcells is missing what you can so easily see... is parcells dumb?given that he is far closer to the situation than denizens of a mssg board (even a knowledgable & sophisticated one like shark pool ), it is easier for me to give parcells the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing... absent a compelling reason why we should think you know better...JJ has had an issue with staying healthy... that is a separate issue from his talent & run skills... he does have two of the highest rushing games in DAL history, in fraction of time dorsett & emmitt had to work with... if he doesn't have good vision, how do you think he rushed for 200 yards... luck?how many times have RBs with lousy vision rushed for 200 yards... ever? maybe it has happened, but it can't have been common or routine, no?* JJ is currently in top 10 in NFL in rushing yardage, and is pacing for 1,200-1,300 yards... while sharing carries with barber... if he got barber's carries, too (& was able to say healthy, not a given... but you don't appear to be addressing his durability... your critique strictly levelled at respective pure run skills), he might be pacing for closer to 1,500-1,600 yards... doesn't exactly sound like a tomato can...

I do not recall anywhere saying that JJ had "poor vision". But as one JJ supporter even pointed out himself, Jones hits the holes straight ahead. Barber clearly has better vision and is able to cutback and find room that Jones may not. Jones is an explosive back who can "hit the holes" when the o-line opens them I don't questions Parcells' knowledge of his RBs. I think he gives JJ the nod for two reasons...He has a years more experience and as others have pointed out, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".