Just say no. To QBBC in '07. (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

In my draft this year I had 8 QBs who I really thought were strong QB1 options. I really believed - and have believed for the past 3 years - that having a strong QB1 is the way to go. It eliminates a lot of the pressure at this key position and a lot of the week-to-week guesswork. Those 8 QBs were:

P.Manning

Palmer

Brees

Brady

Bulger

McNabb

Kitna

Hasselbeck

Romo was kept (1-keeper league) otherwise he would've been on the list. What happened in my draft is every one of those QBs other than Peyton went at least 2 least two rounds above their ADP and some went 3 rounds earlier (Peyton went 10th overall). So I had no chance to get any of them because I wasn't going to take a QB 2-3 rounds earlier than I thought he should go. That meant I had to sit back and wait at QB. I loaded up at WR and got strong RBs and ended up with Cutler and Schaub as my QBs. Two solid guys but neither a dynamic QB1 so far.

Obviously some of the guys on my list above haven't performed well - namely Brees and Bulger and McNabb in the first two weeks. And there are other QBs who were taken later who have performed quite well - namely Delhomme and Favre. But the first three weeks has only served to reinforce my belief. I like my two QBs and I'm off to a strong start in my league but I'd still rather have someone like Brady or even Hasselbeck as my QB1 as opposed to the Cutler/Schaub combo. I'm just not sold on the "waiting for a QB" line of thinking anymore. I think it's far riskier since it means you have to hit on the right guy. If you went with Leinart over Favre you're sunk. Or if you went with Rivers over Delhomme. Yes the early round QBs can falter too but I think there's less risk with them for a reason.

 

[Tau837]

In my draft this year I had 8 QBs who I really thought were strong QB1 options. I really believed - and have believed for the past 3 years - that having a strong QB1 is the way to go. It eliminates a lot of the pressure at this key position and a lot of the week-to-week guesswork. Those 8 QBs were.ManningPalmerBreesBradyBulgerMcNabbKitnaHasselbeckRomo was kept (1-keeper league) otherwise he would've been on the list. What happened in my draft is every one of those QBs other than Peyton went at least 2 least two rounds above their ADP and some went 3 rounds earlier (Peyton went 10th overall). So I had no chance to get any of them because I wasn't going to take a QB 2-3 rounds earlier than I thought he should go. That meant I had to sit back and wait at QB. I loaded up at WR and got strong RBs and ended up with Cutler and Schaub as my QBs. Two solid guys but neither a dynamic QB1 so far. Obviously some of the guys on my list above haven't performed well - namely Brees and Bulger and McNabb in the first two weeks. And there are other QBs who were taken later who have performed quite well - namely Delhomme and Favre. But the first three weeks has only served to reinforce my belief. I like my two QBs and I'm off to a strong start in my league but I'd still rather have someone like Brady or even Hasselbeck as my QB1 as opposed to the Cutler/Schaub combo. I'm just not sold on the "waiting for a QB" line of thinking anymore. I think it's far riskier since it means you have to hit on the right guy. If you went with Leinart over Favre you're sunk. Or if you went with Rivers over Delhomme. Yes the early round QBs can falter too but I think there's less risk with them for a reason.

Given that you aren't sold on waiting on QBs, I find it curious that you cite ADP and wouldn't take a QB "2-3 rounds before you thought he should go." These things seem contradictory to me. ADP is only valuable as a tool, but it apparently didn't apply to QBs in your league... so why would you base your drafting of QBs on that when your preference is to get a good one rather than waiting?FWIW, I agree with you and have gotten away from waiting on QB in recent years. I took Romo in the 5th round of my 16 team league. Many around here wouldn't take a QB in the 5th and instead would have waited. I'm happy I didn't do that.

 

[packersfan]

In my draft this year I had 8 QBs who I really thought were strong QB1 options. I really believed - and have believed for the past 3 years - that having a strong QB1 is the way to go. It eliminates a lot of the pressure at this key position and a lot of the week-to-week guesswork. Those 8 QBs were.ManningPalmerBreesBradyBulgerMcNabbKitnaHasselbeckRomo was kept (1-keeper league) otherwise he would've been on the list. What happened in my draft is every one of those QBs other than Peyton went at least 2 least two rounds above their ADP and some went 3 rounds earlier (Peyton went 10th overall). So I had no chance to get any of them because I wasn't going to take a QB 2-3 rounds earlier than I thought he should go. That meant I had to sit back and wait at QB. I loaded up at WR and got strong RBs and ended up with Cutler and Schaub as my QBs. Two solid guys but neither a dynamic QB1 so far. Obviously some of the guys on my list above haven't performed well - namely Brees and Bulger and McNabb in the first two weeks. And there are other QBs who were taken later who have performed quite well - namely Delhomme and Favre. But the first three weeks has only served to reinforce my belief. I like my two QBs and I'm off to a strong start in my league but I'd still rather have someone like Brady or even Hasselbeck as my QB1 as opposed to the Cutler/Schaub combo. I'm just not sold on the "waiting for a QB" line of thinking anymore. I think it's far riskier since it means you have to hit on the right guy. If you went with Leinart over Favre you're sunk. Or if you went with Rivers over Delhomme. Yes the early round QBs can falter too but I think there's less risk with them for a reason.

Given that you aren't sold on waiting on QBs, I find it curious that you cite ADP and wouldn't take a QB "2-3 rounds before you thought he should go." These things seem contradictory to me. ADP is only valuable as a tool, but it apparently didn't apply to QBs in your league... so why would you base your drafting of QBs on that when your preference is to get a good one rather than waiting?

As much as I wanted one I didn't want to reach for a top QB. I felt that would be a mistake and would prevent me from grabbing good talent at other positions. Manning, Palmer, Brees, Brady, Bulger and McNabb were all gone by the end of the third round and Kitna and Hasselbeck were gone by the end of the fourth. Even Vince Young went in the third round. As much as I wanted one of those top QBs I didn't see the value in reaching 2-3 rounds before I believed they should go. Was that a mistake? Perhaps although as I said my WRs are arguably the strongest in the league (and this is a PPR league) and my RBs have been solid and I have a top TE (Winslow). The rest of the season will determine whether taking all of the top QBs in the first four rounds was the right move to make. I should add that the QB run in this year's draft was unprecedented for my league. We've had the same guys in the league for the last 6-7 years or so and this has never happened before. I picked 11th (12-team league) and I was confident I'd have a shot at either Brady, Bulger or McNabb at either 3:11 or 4:2 and all three were gone before my pick in the third. I'll have to factor this into my prep work next year.

 

[Gr00vus]

Look at the points... unless you got Eli you are down 3 pts per game at QB with the qbbc draft options. Thats who is worse off.Im not saying you couldnt make it work at all. It just was a very poor year to do it when compared to the previous ones.And not all top players listed were going to be money, everyone knows that. However, out of the top 10 drafted QBs you have 9 that were among the top list. That leaves many teams with QBBC gushing points away... something I did not want to risk. And I am very glad I didnt as what has shown these first three weeks is spot on to what I had worried about.

:XI don't understand your top 10 drafted comment. As I recall Brees and Bulger were around top 5, and they're nowhere near the top ten. That's just for starters.I don't think you're fully comprehending QBBC. You can't simply look at Eli and say he's down 3 per game. First of all it depends on who you're comparing him to. Compared to Brady he's down 9. Compared to his big brother he's down 1.5. Compared to Bulger, Rivers, Brees, Young, Leinart and a couple of other guys you had ranked ahead of him he's UP. More importantly, QBBC does not assume you start the same QB every week. You play the match ups when at all possible. So it's not as simple as saying X is down 3 to whoever. You have to look at the qb squad as a whole and see where it's at.Then you also have to add in the opportunity cost of what guys who went QBBC gained in other areas and what guys who drafted "top" QBs lost. There are tons of players you'd have been better off drafting than all but the current top 4 QBs in the rounds where the preseason "top" qbs were being drafted. Even if you didn't get Eli or Favre or Delhomme or couldn't pick up Anderson or Garrard of waivers, you're still probably better off not having drafted one of those other QBs as opposed to a more productive player at another position.Your contention remains unsupported at best. I'm actually pretty sure events have played out to prove you wrong (again as it is every year), but it's only week three, so I'll hold off on being adamant about that.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'm actually pretty sure events have played out to prove you wrong but it's only week three, so I'll hold off on being adamant about that.

Im pretty positive it has proved correct. Though it does remain early.

When I talked about the top guys drafted comment... you have 10 of these drafted and 2 free agents.:

1 Romo, Tony 72 24

2 Brady, Tom 71 23.6

3 Palmer, Carson 70 23.34

4 Kitna, Jon 64.00 21.33

5 Anderson, Derek 59.00 19.67

6 Favre, Brett GNB 58.00 19.33

7 Manning, Peyton 56.00 18.67

8 Delhomme, Jake 55.00 18.33

9 McNabb, Donovan 55.00 18.33

10 Hasselbeck, Matt 50.00 16.67

11 Manning, Eli 50.00 16.67

12 Garrard, David 48.00 16.00

What you did with your other picks may prove largely irrelevent. There are plenty of players not meeting expectations both RB and WR as with QB. I will say there are lots more later WR selections (adp 12-30) that are giving points atop the standings board, where you dont see it with QBs. FTR: I never stated to take them over a RB ("...for this year year I would strongly advise dropping down WR#2, WR#3, TE or defense (incl IDP) before you pass on the quarterback if you have the option." Overcoming the shortage at WR or TE is much easier then if you fell into a qbbc void. Heck you might still have a top producer at TE or WR#2/3 despite pushing them back to get your QB.

Look at MR. Cutler+Leftwhich+Grosman = Crush. Its a perfect example.