Just thinking about Houston fans today... (1 Viewer)

[Zigg]

To answer your Vick question, I think he is a great player. Not a great QB is the traditional sense, but causes so many headaches with insane athletic ability that he demands attention. You can't underestimate how a player like Bush or Vick disrupting opposing defense creates opportunities for their teammates. And no one thinks Bush is jesus in cleats, but 99% think he is better than Mario under any positional need circumstance. Hopefully for Texan fans he can play up to his physical ability. Personally, I was never a fan a combine freaks who didn't have alot of on the field success.

Again, when did I say Mario > Bush? Please show me where.........The original question was do Houston fans regret passing on Bush. This one doesn't, and I have noted why.

I never said you did I'm arguing Bush's value

 

[Zigg]

Getting 1,000 yards rushing and receiving would be VERY impressive/great. Do you honsetly think he will do that?

Yes, in fact, I think he gets 1,000 receiving this year.

No, do you think he will get 1,000 rushing and 1,000 receiving? That was the question I answered (as far as that would be great).

Yes I think he will have a 1000/1000 year in his career. I also think he'll get 1000 yards recieving this year.

 

[Wadsworth]

Once they draft Adrian Peterson in '07, no one will care.Adrian Peterson and Mario Williams > Reggie Bush and Quentin Moses

Now AP, I think he is going to be a stud and I would rather have him than Bush any day and twice on Sunday.

Just think, if the texans keep having lousy records they could get a college all star team. There's really no defense for the Bush thing. Especially when you go for Mario Williams instead who has Aundray Bruce written all over him. As far as Bush not looking like he can handle a full load at RB, guys like Tiki Barber, E. Smith, Barry Sanders and LT had a lot of people that didn't think they could carry the full load at RB in the NFL as well. Time will tell on Bush, but there's no reason to wait any longer on the Houston front office. They've been awful for years now. I know that as a fan you want to keep your chin up, but dang. At some point you have to admit that your team just isn't getting it done.

 

[Texican]

The Texans not drafting Bush will probably go down as one of the worst draft day descisions of all time.

Wait unitl next year.

 

[Buckna]

I really feel for Houston fans. The news out of Houston is that Ron Dayne is getting the start. Can you imagine. Just a few months ago you were certain that Reggie Bush would be exploding on to the scene in your town, and now you've got Ron Dayne starting Sunday. Sheesh!My pity goes out to all Houston Texan fans today.

You caught a few folks today.

 

[bentley]

The Texans not drafting Bush will probably go down as one of the worst draft day descisions of all time.

Wait unitl next year.

and true.

 

[thayman]

Icehouse:yards from scrimmage = rushing + receiving yards this does not include punt returns, kick returns or passing yardage

Corrected earlier. So od you think Vick is one of the best QB's in the game, since he is multi-dimensional/affects game plans/etc?

Some sundays I do. Some sundays I think he's the worst. He's an odd bird.I think there's alot of defensive cooridinators that overplan for him and inadvertently make the rest of the team's life easy. Somewhere in there is more respect than the average QB is getting.

But does him being multi-dimensional make him great? How can the argument work for Reggie but not for Vick?It's so funny to me...you read these boards (majority of the folks) and you will see all kinda "Vick had a nice rushing day but he didn't have a lot of passing yards" comments. He doesn't get that kinda love because a QB's main job is to pass the ball. Yet, if Bush has a lot of receiving yardage but not a lot rushing, he is Jesus in cleats. Isn't the RB's main duty to run the ball? You would rather your RB has 195 total yards from scrimmage than say....175 yards rushing?

I'm confused if your talking FF or NFL......NFL I would say yes Vick is a great QB as stated earlier even when he as a bad day it seems that defenisve coordinators are compensating for Vick, thus freeing up other players to do well.FF I think Vick is pretty good, he almost always drops in drafts and you can get a pretty good QB1 or 2 that outperforms his draft position.

 

[Bri]

Icehouse:yards from scrimmage = rushing + receiving yards this does not include punt returns, kick returns or passing yardage

Corrected earlier. So od you think Vick is one of the best QB's in the game, since he is multi-dimensional/affects game plans/etc?

Some sundays I do. Some sundays I think he's the worst. He's an odd bird.I think there's alot of defensive cooridinators that overplan for him and inadvertently make the rest of the team's life easy. Somewhere in there is more respect than the average QB is getting.

But does him being multi-dimensional make him great? How can the argument work for Reggie but not for Vick?It's so funny to me...you read these boards (majority of the folks) and you will see all kinda "Vick had a nice rushing day but he didn't have a lot of passing yards" comments. He doesn't get that kinda love because a QB's main job is to pass the ball. Yet, if Bush has a lot of receiving yardage but not a lot rushing, he is Jesus in cleats. Isn't the RB's main duty to run the ball? You would rather your RB has 195 total yards from scrimmage than say....175 yards rushing?

Icehouse,If ya don't mind me mixing two posts of mine, you've got plenty, here's what I think.Athletically("marvel", "can do it all", "oh the moves and speed" etc) and the hype associated with that, they are quite comparable from when Vick really started playing(year 2) and when Bush did(current). The hype, the comments etc....very similar IMO.NOW Vick is more established and people "can't" go off on tangents where he may rush 1000 and throw 3000 oh and why doesn't he kick a few FGs for good measure. Bush still has that "skies the limit" mentality associated with him. If you grant me that Deuce won't be around next year or will be the backup for the sake of discussion, after next year as a fulltime back we'll have an idea what he can do. Then the discussions will seem more genuine or more realistic.Willis McGahee is the greatest FF player to track and learn from. While he was probably lying in a hospital bed and couldn't walk, he was about to break records. When he got going he didn't look the same and there was much debate. Once a starter, he got 100 everygame and IIRC a TD every game too. The 3rd year, following that 2nd year production, he (and the whole Bills team) flopped completely. Now in year 4, IMO he's a sleeper/value pick of sorts. I actually think the guy is gonna be a top 10 back maybe 9 or 10 but I grabbed him in the early third round twice so if he's the 10th ranked back at years end he was a value. Suppose he is. That would mean we(FFers) didn't rank him correctly yet, not even close really. That's something if you take the time to think about it.As for whether Vick is great, no not in my opinion. I grew up in NJ watching the Pats, Jets, and Giants. Andre Tippett and Lawrence Taylor were magnificent players that dominated many games. Randall Cunningham was the only player I can ever recall playing football against LT and doing well. Teams schemed to block him and run away from him and....Randall "brought it". That earned my respect(TV watching sorta respect) and well he was a fun player to watch and had some success with the Eagles. Late in his career, he resurfaced and was a nice pocket passer still having his sweet long ball. He was great IMO. I compare athletic QBs to Randall. Vick is not the two way threat+leader he was with the Eagles nor the pocket passer he was with Minny. He's got time, his career is not done. He is certainly capable but until he does it, no IMO he's not great.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Does comparing Bush to Metcalf and Pittman really make you feel better about the Texans pass on him? Since you're so obsessed with his 6 for 5 performance, care to comment on his 15/67 game against the Browns?

Metcalf, Pittman & Westbrook are multi-dimensional backs like Bush...i.e. not traditional runners. Do you disagree. Bush is more explosive than those 3 in the open field, but as far as running on the NFL level (where his speed isn't as much of an advantage), he has yet to show that he is that much better of a runner. Again, remember that I want my RB running the ball. I don't want my stud RB's main impact to be in the passing game.The 15/67 game was solid production. Is that production worth $50M and comparisons to Faulk, Barry and Sayers? Do I regret passing on 15/67....the answer is no. Would I regret passing up on a back like LJ or LT...yes.

Bush at his contract > Mario at his contractBush may not be a workman's back, but you can find one of those to compliment him. That's not a reason to pass him up for inferior talent.

 

[Wadsworth]

With any Vick:Bush comparison is has to be mentioned that San Diego traded the rights to Vick not only for multiple quality player, but those players were drafted later than Vick so they were better bargins as well. Houston didn't get anything out of not drafting Bush and didn't save themselves any money on Mario's contract by passing on Bush. They just took the other guy and gave him number 1 money.

 

[Sheriff66]

The Texans not drafting Bush will probably go down as one of the worst draft day descisions of all time.

I'm one that was not sold on Bush, let see him get through a season before we put him in the HOF...

 

[coolnerd]

I think passing on bush maybe the one worst moves made from a business standpoint in the NFL. In this past draft arguably the three most talked about and accomplished players to come out (as a group) and my texans passed on all of them (Young, bush, Leinert) for an athletic freak who played 3 or 4 elite games in 2006 for a mid-level program. Even if the freak is one of the best how many people are really buying tickets to watch Freeny, Peppers, etc. The football arguments for williams are sounder than the business ones. Especially considering that the Texans have provided fans with four plus years of both bad and boring football.

If nothing else, Reggie Bush who have proved exciting for a fan based clamoring for anything at this point.