Justin Blackmon Can't Put the Bottle Down! (1 Viewer)

[dickey moe]

So it much better right he didn't get up early to drink and didn't sleep all night and wake up drunk.

You're drunk.

 

[golfguy]

the jags should have cris carter on line #1 for this kid to get him under control.

 

[DoubleG]

The 2 DUI's at the age of 22 just makes me wonder how many times Blackmon has been legally drunk when behind the wheel.

There is no such thing as being "legally drunk". HTH. I just wish this would have happened a month ago so he would've fallen to me in the back half of the first round.

They have "Fantasy Felony" league now too?

 

[bulger2holt]

So glad Jax jumped up ahead of the Rams and took Blackmon. From all reports, 2nd round WR Brian Quick looks like a stud too. Maybe Fisher knows a thing or two.

 

[Raider Nation]

So glad Jax jumped up ahead of the Rams and took Blackmon. From all reports, 2nd round WR Brian Quick looks like a stud too. Maybe Fisher knows a thing or two.

acman:

 

[hickbones]

They have "Fantasy Felony" league now too?

I was in a league once that had special year-end payouts. Our favorite one was the 'fantasy felon' award that went to the owner who had the player with the worst offense committed during the season (or it had to come out and be an issue during the season). It had such potential, but during the season all we got was substance abuse. The really good stuff happens during the offseason, so it would only be good for a dynasty league.

 

[bulger2holt]

So glad Jax jumped up ahead of the Rams and took Blackmon. From all reports, 2nd round WR Brian Quick looks like a stud too. Maybe Fisher knows a thing or two.

acman:

everybody is allowed a mulligan

 

[wadegarrett]

OOF

 

[Raider Nation]

So glad Jax jumped up ahead of the Rams and took Blackmon. From all reports, 2nd round WR Brian Quick looks like a stud too. Maybe Fisher knows a thing or two.

acman:

everybody is allowed a mulligan

There were a million red flags with Pacman, and Fisher wanted him anyway.Fine. Mulligan.Now explain the Janoris Jenkins pick.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Shame. What a waste of a top ten pick. Poor Jags.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Like none of you have ever knocked a few back and then driven home.

I remember a quote Barkley made after getting his DUI. The average person who drives drunk does it about 200-300 times before they get caught. Once can be bad luck. Twice either means he completely has no sense of awareness or a serious drinking problem.

Agree Larry, 24 is a bit ridiculous. I really thought he had just downed a few beers but 18, 24, whatever the number is just silly.

 

[None_More_Black]

wtf why did he blow. he should def know the law after his first one.

He was dead meat anyway. He'd either have a blood or urine test to determine his BAC.

yeah, if you're obviously drunk (which given the reports he was) they just detain you, get a warrant, and take blood. delaying it an hour or two with a bac of .24 isn't going to help much at all. then they could also just use that against you in court. given his showing of immense intelligence thus far, i don't think he knows what law is. if you've only had a couple to drink and are driving, then sure, decline to blow and let them take you in and hope for the best.

In most states, a refusal carries the same penalties as aggravated dwi. (high bacs). In some states, a refusal carries even worse penalties thent aggravated dwi. The only time you should refuse to blow now a days is if you fear civil suit due to an accident.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Great.

What is it with the Jags and 1st round WR's?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Just imagine how drunk he'd be getting if he was stuck in st Louis half the year

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I take a different point of view. I'd be even more worried if he had been out drinking the night before and woke up feeling fine to drive at an alcohol level of > 0.15!! For most of us, we would be stumbling around at > 0.15.....it appears Blackmon can handle way more than that if he had been drinking last night and was still > 0.15 this AM!! This is an extremely bad sign.So I disagree with your point a view. This is not maturity. This spells a big time problem with alcohol....something that likely isn't going to be cured anytime soon for Blackmon.

you're making an awfully big assumption with very little as far as facts go... might want to tone it down a bit until we learn what was really going on. lol

Okay, you are right. This is just a minor blip on the radar of what will turn out to be a life filled full of wonderful contributions to society!

i guess toning it down is too much to ask. carry on with your circlejerk.

What's going on is the guy has two DUIs at age 22 and neither one was by a small margin. I'm not sure what you think needs toned down.

the OP was basically saying blackmon is an alcoholic. don't you think that's a bit far fetched without knowing the situation?honestly, i don't like blackmon and i have said why in other threads about how he plays the game... but this is getting pretty ridiculous. all we know is he's gotten pulled over 2 times driving intoxicated... i just think we should hold back on naming him the league drunk until we know a bit more.

Do you know anyone who has had 2 DUIs by age 22 (or any age) who isn't an alcoholic (or at least someone with a very serious drinking problem)?

getting multiple DUI's doesn't make you an alcoholic - it makes you an idiot. i think there's a difference, but i also think you knew that.and to answer your questions yes... me - i had 5 underage drinking tickets and an OWI before age 18 and a DUI at age 21. i don't drink anymore (i'm now 28).ETA: as we all know drinking in excess clouds your judgement - this could have been the second time he's gotten behind the wheel drunk and the second time he was pulled over lol... or you could be right he does have a problem. we just don't know. i'm just disagree with the certainty of the OP's post.

That's still only 1 DUI. It's hard to get 2. And, while I'm not judging you, you clearly recognized a problem and stopped. That's all I'm saying about Blackmon. There is clearly a very serious problem (more than just a 22 year old getting drunk).And we all know that he's driven drunk way more than 2 times. The odds against him driving drunk only twice are astronomical.

Werdnoynek, why are you so defensive of Blackmon?! LOL!!! It's hilarious!

 

[Faust]

Justin Blackmon subject to NFL discipline for DUI arrest

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Justin Blackmon isn't under contract with an NFL team at this time, but his aggravated DUI arrest Sunday morning could lead the league to discipline the Jacksonville Jaguars' rookie wide receiver.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told NFL.com and NFL Network on Sunday that Blackmon is subject to the league's drug and personal-conduct policies even though he hasn't yet signed a contract.

Blackmon, the No. 5 overall pick by the Jaguars in this year's draft, smelled of alcohol when an officer pulled him over shortly after 3 a.m. local time. Blackmon agreed to take a breathalyzer test and blew a .24 -- three times the state's legal limit for driving.

Though this is Blackmon's second DUI arrest in three years, the league likely will view him as a first-time offender of its policies. Under those circumstances, a suspension is unlikely, though -- as Vito Stellino of The Florida Union-Times notes -- Blackmon could be placed in the league's intervention program and receive an evaluation, possible treatment plan and random testing.

We did some digging and couldn't find an NFL player in the past five years who approached Blackmon's .24 on a DUI arrest. The severity of the situation might not change how discipline is handled, but it's an eye-opener nonetheless.

 

[cvnpoka]

wtf why did he blow. he should def know the law after his first one.

He was dead meat anyway. He'd either have a blood or urine test to determine his BAC.

yeah, if you're obviously drunk (which given the reports he was) they just detain you, get a warrant, and take blood. delaying it an hour or two with a bac of .24 isn't going to help much at all. then they could also just use that against you in court. given his showing of immense intelligence thus far, i don't think he knows what law is. if you've only had a couple to drink and are driving, then sure, decline to blow and let them take you in and hope for the best.

In most states, a refusal carries the same penalties as aggravated dwi. (high bacs). In some states, a refusal carries even worse penalties thent aggravated dwi. The only time you should refuse to blow now a days is if you fear civil suit due to an accident.

well, i guess the game done changed

 

[bulger2holt]

So glad Jax jumped up ahead of the Rams and took Blackmon. From all reports, 2nd round WR Brian Quick looks like a stud too. Maybe Fisher knows a thing or two.

acman:

everybody is allowed a mulligan

There were a million red flags with Pacman, and Fisher wanted him anyway.Fine. Mulligan.Now explain the Janoris Jenkins pick.

Beast in the making.

 

[werdnoynek]

Werdnoynek, why are you so defensive of Blackmon?! LOL!!! It's hilarious!

i'm not defensive of him, i think he's an over-rated joke (as i've been saying since pre-draft). i'm defensive of people such as yourself who post opinion of character as if you're posting fact. i'm trying to protect the integrity of the shark pool from the opinionated babble it could really use a whole lot less of. while i agree he has a problem that needs tending to, i really don't think it's as bad as you're making it out to be. people can change and do all the time. maybe he'll grow up, maybe he wont - i honestly don't care because i'd never draft him. i just think the smear campaign you're running is a bit over the top.ETA: carry on, i'll leave you to fueling your fire here.

 

[datonn]

I'll offend about a thousand people on this board...but I don't care. Personally? I say any of you who've blown a DUI can spend some serious time in jail. Along with having your license taken away and paying some serious fines in the process. And if you can't afford the fines? You can stay in prison longer...and/or be forced to sell everything but the clothes on your back until you've paid your fine in-full. And/or have "selfish dumb###" tatooed to your forehead for everyone to see. 36-48 pt. type. Ruin your life...just like you could have ruined any of thousands of other people's lives when you were out on the road.

Sincerely,

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

 

[datonn]

Back on-topic: Is Blackmon that stupid that he can't have one of his posse be the designated driver if he wants to go out and get plastered somewhere? Seriously, the stupidity of these professional athletes that so many of us worship is astounding!

 

[Couch Potato]

ESPN is reporting he blew a .24!

.24 and doing 60 in a 35. Nice combo.

And on the wrong side of the road

Yeah, pretty bad when you're so drunk you think you're driving in England.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Very sad.

Feel sorry for the young man and hope he can turn it around.

 

[datonn]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a guy without a sense of humor or anything like that. But getting behind the wheel after having a couple too many beers is just begging for trouble. And at bare-minimum showing little/no regard for others around the people who do it. Has there ever been a person convicted of DUI who didn't think they were good enough to drive home and/or who could "hold their liquor" better than the average Joe who is a light-weight when it comes to .08? Blowing a .24? That's more than just showing little/no regard for others or simply being a dumb###. That would seem to approach more "I don't care if I live or die" territory. As if a .28 can kill you whether you're driving, a passenger, or simply sleeping it off, that's getting well-beyond the point of being "not being good enough to drive." Unless you are "clinical" in your dumb###ery, that would seem to indicate a much deeper set of issues one is dealing with in life. Some serious "demons" that someone is trying to escape or hide from. And it is NOT Blackmon being a light-weight and not being able to hold his liquor or anything like that...since it is a .28 for his height/weight/build...not the quantity of drinks consumed. For a guy with so much going for him, and so many million$ of reasons to keep his nose clean, it's troubling that he would seem to be in a (mental) position such as this. It has to have the Jaguars front office incredibly

 

[FDC]

I actually think Blackmon makes a nice buy low candidate right now at the right price. Call it a gut feeling more than anything. I was not a Blackmon fan before this (in respect to his value).

 

[Stealthycat]

Back on-topic: Is Blackmon that stupid that he can't have one of his posse be the designated driver if he wants to go out and get plastered somewhere?

obviously yes, he's that stupid

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a guy without a sense of humor or anything like that. But getting behind the wheel after having a couple too many beers is just begging for trouble. And at bare-minimum showing little/no regard for others around the people who do it. Has there ever been a person convicted of DUI who didn't think they were good enough to drive home and/or who could "hold their liquor" better than the average Joe who is a light-weight when it comes to .08? Blowing a .24? That's more than just showing little/no regard for others or simply being a dumb###. That would seem to approach more "I don't care if I live or die" territory. As if a .28 can kill you whether you're driving, a passenger, or simply sleeping it off, that's getting well-beyond the point of being "not being good enough to drive." Unless you are "clinical" in your dumb###ery, that would seem to indicate a much deeper set of issues one is dealing with in life. Some serious "demons" that someone is trying to escape or hide from. And it is NOT Blackmon being a light-weight and not being able to hold his liquor or anything like that...since it is a .28 for his height/weight/build...not the quantity of drinks consumed. For a guy with so much going for him, and so many million$ of reasons to keep his nose clean, it's troubling that he would seem to be in a (mental) position such as this. It has to have the Jaguars front office incredibly

I couldn't agree with you more Datonn and I'm sorry for your loss. What I don't understand is how a lot of people on this board are all too quick to brush this off as a simple lapse in judgement. This wasn't just a simple lapse in judgement.....this is a pattern going on here and it shows just how much of a problem Blackmon has with alcohol. Some on this board seem to even give Blackmon the benefit of the doubt stopping just short of saying "Blackmon has only drank twice in his life and he got caught driving drunk both times". Even if that was the case, which I guarantee isn't, it still screams big time trouble with this guy. As you point out Datonn, at 0.24 the normal person wouldn't be functional and we are approaching coma state for people who do not have a high tolerance. Now a person who has alcohol in his system often can be more functional at 0.24 and that's likely Blackmon. How much alcohol would it take a 215 lb guy to reach a 0.24? http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

**14 beers over 1 hour

**15 beers over 2 hours

**17 beers over 4 hours

**19 beers over 6 hours

Well you get the picture and it's a bad one for Blackmon and the Jags going forward. It's a problem and those of you who don't see it need to look closer. I can't name a single NFL star who has had this kind of problem with alcohol. Koren Robinson had all the talent in the world and never reached it.....yes because of alcohol. If this trend continues for Blackmon, he'll end up the same way. Alcohol for some people is nearly impossible to quit and Blackmon will need to do so to reach his potential.

 

[Hoosier16]

Back on-topic: Is Blackmon that stupid that he can't have one of his posse be the designated driver if he wants to go out and get plastered somewhere? Seriously, the stupidity of these professional athletes that so many of us worship is astounding!

Blackmon doesn't have a posse. He isn't a diva like Crabtree or Bryant.

 

[todisco1]

Back on-topic: Is Blackmon that stupid that he can't have one of his posse be the designated driver if he wants to go out and get plastered somewhere? Seriously, the stupidity of these professional athletes that so many of us worship is astounding!

Blackmon doesn't have a posse. He isn't a diva like Crabtree or Bryant.

"I drink alone.... yeah, with nobody else."

 

[Wadsworth]

I actually think Blackmon makes a nice buy low candidate right now at the right price. Call it a gut feeling more than anything. I was not a Blackmon fan before this (in respect to his value).

I disagree. I would unload Blackmon if I could get anything close to reasonable compensation at this point. Jacksonville is a small town, especially when it comes to nightlife. I called some friends yesterday and got back multiple reports that Justin has been seen in public drinking heavily and being confrontational. I hope he is able to get his drinking under control but at this point if you are playing the odds I would think moving on is the best option.

 

[todisco1]

I actually think Blackmon makes a nice buy low candidate right now at the right price. Call it a gut feeling more than anything. I was not a Blackmon fan before this (in respect to his value).

I disagree. I would unload Blackmon if I could anything close to reasonable compensation at this point. Jacksonville is a small town, especially when it comes to nightlife. I called some friends yesterday and got back multiple reports that Justin has been seen in public drinking heavily and being confrontational. I hope he is able to get his drinking under control but at this point if you are playing the odds I would think moving on is the best option.

Yeah, reports are trickling out about this. Bad stuff.

 

[FDC]

I actually think Blackmon makes a nice buy low candidate right now at the right price. Call it a gut feeling more than anything. I was not a Blackmon fan before this (in respect to his value).

I disagree. I would unload Blackmon if I could anything close to reasonable compensation at this point. Jacksonville is a small town, especially when it comes to nightlife. I called some friends yesterday and got back multiple reports that Justin has been seen in public drinking heavily and being confrontational. I hope he is able to get his drinking under control but at this point if you are playing the odds I would think moving on is the best option.

Mention of a trade for a future 3rd in this thread. If that is his value now then I'm buying. Off the field concerns were why I downgraded Blackmon pre draft so I guess my perception has not changed that much of him in light of this (I also received criticism for that)

 

[comfortably numb]

I actually think Blackmon makes a nice buy low candidate right now at the right price. Call it a gut feeling more than anything. I was not a Blackmon fan before this (in respect to his value).

I disagree. I would unload Blackmon if I could anything close to reasonable compensation at this point. Jacksonville is a small town, especially when it comes to nightlife. I called some friends yesterday and got back multiple reports that Justin has been seen in public drinking heavily and being confrontational. I hope he is able to get his drinking under control but at this point if you are playing the odds I would think moving on is the best option.

Mention of a trade for a future 3rd in this thread. If that is his value now then I'm buying. Off the field concerns were why I downgraded Blackmon pre draft so I guess my perception has not changed that much of him in light of this (I also received criticism for that)

Pretty sure that trade was sarcasm.

 

[Banemorth]

Someone just traded Blackmon for a 2013 second and Little. Seemed about right to me.

 

[Faust]

The best thing that the league could do right now is to tell Blackmon that before he can ever play a down in the NFL, before he can ever step on a practice field that he should be required to sit at a table across from Donté Stallworth and hear what impact can occur from driving while intoxicated. I would show him the photos from that accident and hope that he has the ability to learn from his mistakes.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

The best thing that the league could do right now is to tell Blackmon that before he can ever play a down in the NFL, before he can ever step on a practice field that he should be required to sit at a table across from Donté Stallworth and hear what impact can occur from driving while intoxicated. I would show him the photos from that accident and hope that he has the ability to learn from his mistakes.

Good option, but the sheer stupidity of driving while THAT drunk does not give a frick is a tough nut to crack.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The best thing that the league could do right now is to tell Blackmon that before he can ever play a down in the NFL, before he can ever step on a practice field that he should be required to sit at a table across from Donté Stallworth and hear what impact can occur from driving while intoxicated. I would show him the photos from that accident and hope that he has the ability to learn from his mistakes.

Good option, but the sheer stupidity of driving while THAT drunk does not give a frick is a tough nut to crack.

I agree that the 'scared straight' strategy won't work here. Just can't fix stupid.

 

[Donnybrook]

So glad Jax jumped up ahead of the Rams and took Blackmon. From all reports, 2nd round WR Brian Quick looks like a stud too. Maybe Fisher knows a thing or two.

I am 95% certain if the Jags did not usurp them the Rams would have taken Blackmon. I don't understand why you are giving Fisher any credit for this.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

It might be me, but it might be a good idea to feature a different player for a gift-for-father's-day jersey sales on their website.

My link

 

[Skeletore Eh]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a guy without a sense of humor or anything like that. But getting behind the wheel after having a couple too many beers is just begging for trouble. And at bare-minimum showing little/no regard for others around the people who do it. Has there ever been a person convicted of DUI who didn't think they were good enough to drive home and/or who could "hold their liquor" better than the average Joe who is a light-weight when it comes to .08? Blowing a .24? That's more than just showing little/no regard for others or simply being a dumb###. That would seem to approach more "I don't care if I live or die" territory. As if a .28 can kill you whether you're driving, a passenger, or simply sleeping it off, that's getting well-beyond the point of being "not being good enough to drive." Unless you are "clinical" in your dumb###ery, that would seem to indicate a much deeper set of issues one is dealing with in life. Some serious "demons" that someone is trying to escape or hide from. And it is NOT Blackmon being a light-weight and not being able to hold his liquor or anything like that...since it is a .28 for his height/weight/build...not the quantity of drinks consumed. For a guy with so much going for him, and so many million$ of reasons to keep his nose clean, it's troubling that he would seem to be in a (mental) position such as this. It has to have the Jaguars front office incredibly

I couldn't agree with you more Datonn and I'm sorry for your loss. What I don't understand is how a lot of people on this board are all too quick to brush this off as a simple lapse in judgement. This wasn't just a simple lapse in judgement.....this is a pattern going on here and it shows just how much of a problem Blackmon has with alcohol. Some on this board seem to even give Blackmon the benefit of the doubt stopping just short of saying "Blackmon has only drank twice in his life and he got caught driving drunk both times". Even if that was the case, which I guarantee isn't, it still screams big time trouble with this guy. As you point out Datonn, at 0.24 the normal person wouldn't be functional and we are approaching coma state for people who do not have a high tolerance. Now a person who has alcohol in his system often can be more functional at 0.24 and that's likely Blackmon. How much alcohol would it take a 215 lb guy to reach a 0.24? http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

**14 beers over 1 hour

**15 beers over 2 hours

**17 beers over 4 hours

**19 beers over 6 hours

Well you get the picture and it's a bad one for Blackmon and the Jags going forward. It's a problem and those of you who don't see it need to look closer. I can't name a single NFL star who has had this kind of problem with alcohol. Koren Robinson had all the talent in the world and never reached it.....yes because of alcohol. If this trend continues for Blackmon, he'll end up the same way. Alcohol for some people is nearly impossible to quit and Blackmon will need to do so to reach his potential.

I couldn't disagree with you anymore. While this is obviously a bad situation i don't understand why so many people on this board are suggesting two dui's shows a serious problem with alcohol. Or how two dui's is a pattern? While Blackmon might have a problem, no one here has any clue what's really going on. So to suggest he has a problem is no more than your opinion.

Then to suggest Blackmon thought about what he was doing before he got behind the wheel is simply misguided. I highly doubt he was thinking about what he was doing, if anything at all. He blew a .24. It's surprising he could even function. And by function I mean walk to a car, turn it on, and drive at all.

And Jared Allen comes to mind as a guy who had issues with dui's and turned his life around. He eventually matured and eliminated it from his life. Also Chris carter. He had problems with drugs but was able to turn his life around. It can be done. Blackmon is still young and immature. Hopefully he can eliminate this from his life. Hopefully his family or the jaguars gets him some guidance. But let's not condemn the kid to a life of alcohol abuse.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a guy without a sense of humor or anything like that. But getting behind the wheel after having a couple too many beers is just begging for trouble. And at bare-minimum showing little/no regard for others around the people who do it. Has there ever been a person convicted of DUI who didn't think they were good enough to drive home and/or who could "hold their liquor" better than the average Joe who is a light-weight when it comes to .08? Blowing a .24? That's more than just showing little/no regard for others or simply being a dumb###. That would seem to approach more "I don't care if I live or die" territory. As if a .28 can kill you whether you're driving, a passenger, or simply sleeping it off, that's getting well-beyond the point of being "not being good enough to drive." Unless you are "clinical" in your dumb###ery, that would seem to indicate a much deeper set of issues one is dealing with in life. Some serious "demons" that someone is trying to escape or hide from. And it is NOT Blackmon being a light-weight and not being able to hold his liquor or anything like that...since it is a .28 for his height/weight/build...not the quantity of drinks consumed. For a guy with so much going for him, and so many million$ of reasons to keep his nose clean, it's troubling that he would seem to be in a (mental) position such as this. It has to have the Jaguars front office incredibly

I couldn't agree with you more Datonn and I'm sorry for your loss. What I don't understand is how a lot of people on this board are all too quick to brush this off as a simple lapse in judgement. This wasn't just a simple lapse in judgement.....this is a pattern going on here and it shows just how much of a problem Blackmon has with alcohol. Some on this board seem to even give Blackmon the benefit of the doubt stopping just short of saying "Blackmon has only drank twice in his life and he got caught driving drunk both times". Even if that was the case, which I guarantee isn't, it still screams big time trouble with this guy. As you point out Datonn, at 0.24 the normal person wouldn't be functional and we are approaching coma state for people who do not have a high tolerance. Now a person who has alcohol in his system often can be more functional at 0.24 and that's likely Blackmon. How much alcohol would it take a 215 lb guy to reach a 0.24? http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

**14 beers over 1 hour

**15 beers over 2 hours

**17 beers over 4 hours

**19 beers over 6 hours

Well you get the picture and it's a bad one for Blackmon and the Jags going forward. It's a problem and those of you who don't see it need to look closer. I can't name a single NFL star who has had this kind of problem with alcohol. Koren Robinson had all the talent in the world and never reached it.....yes because of alcohol. If this trend continues for Blackmon, he'll end up the same way. Alcohol for some people is nearly impossible to quit and Blackmon will need to do so to reach his potential.

I couldn't disagree with you anymore. While this is obviously a bad situation i don't understand why so many people on this board are suggesting two dui's shows a serious problem with alcohol. Or how two dui's is a pattern? While Blackmon might have a problem, no one here has any clue what's really going on. So to suggest he has a problem is no more than your opinion.

Then to suggest Blackmon thought about what he was doing before he got behind the wheel is simply misguided. I highly doubt he was thinking about what he was doing, if anything at all. He blew a .24. It's surprising he could even function. And by function I mean walk to a car, turn it on, and drive at all.

And Jared Allen comes to mind as a guy who had issues with dui's and turned his life around. He eventually matured and eliminated it from his life. Also Chris carter. He had problems with drugs but was able to turn his life around. It can be done. Blackmon is still young and immature. Hopefully he can eliminate this from his life. Hopefully his family or the jaguars gets him some guidance. But let's not condemn the kid to a life of alcohol abuse.

I think you're helping make the arguement for why some can say that he has a problem. The fact that he wasnt passed out or in a hospital and could funtion enough to get in his car and drive means he's had a lot of practice drinking a lot of alcohol. A person who doesnt drink much would probably not be able to physically consume 16-18 drinks before becoming violenty ill or passing out.

 

[finito]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a guy without a sense of humor or anything like that. But getting behind the wheel after having a couple too many beers is just begging for trouble. And at bare-minimum showing little/no regard for others around the people who do it. Has there ever been a person convicted of DUI who didn't think they were good enough to drive home and/or who could "hold their liquor" better than the average Joe who is a light-weight when it comes to .08? Blowing a .24? That's more than just showing little/no regard for others or simply being a dumb###. That would seem to approach more "I don't care if I live or die" territory. As if a .28 can kill you whether you're driving, a passenger, or simply sleeping it off, that's getting well-beyond the point of being "not being good enough to drive." Unless you are "clinical" in your dumb###ery, that would seem to indicate a much deeper set of issues one is dealing with in life. Some serious "demons" that someone is trying to escape or hide from. And it is NOT Blackmon being a light-weight and not being able to hold his liquor or anything like that...since it is a .28 for his height/weight/build...not the quantity of drinks consumed. For a guy with so much going for him, and so many million$ of reasons to keep his nose clean, it's troubling that he would seem to be in a (mental) position such as this. It has to have the Jaguars front office incredibly

I couldn't agree with you more Datonn and I'm sorry for your loss. What I don't understand is how a lot of people on this board are all too quick to brush this off as a simple lapse in judgement. This wasn't just a simple lapse in judgement.....this is a pattern going on here and it shows just how much of a problem Blackmon has with alcohol. Some on this board seem to even give Blackmon the benefit of the doubt stopping just short of saying "Blackmon has only drank twice in his life and he got caught driving drunk both times". Even if that was the case, which I guarantee isn't, it still screams big time trouble with this guy. As you point out Datonn, at 0.24 the normal person wouldn't be functional and we are approaching coma state for people who do not have a high tolerance. Now a person who has alcohol in his system often can be more functional at 0.24 and that's likely Blackmon. How much alcohol would it take a 215 lb guy to reach a 0.24? http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

**14 beers over 1 hour

**15 beers over 2 hours

**17 beers over 4 hours

**19 beers over 6 hours

Well you get the picture and it's a bad one for Blackmon and the Jags going forward. It's a problem and those of you who don't see it need to look closer. I can't name a single NFL star who has had this kind of problem with alcohol. Koren Robinson had all the talent in the world and never reached it.....yes because of alcohol. If this trend continues for Blackmon, he'll end up the same way. Alcohol for some people is nearly impossible to quit and Blackmon will need to do so to reach his potential.

I couldn't disagree with you anymore. While this is obviously a bad situation i don't understand why so many people on this board are suggesting two dui's shows a serious problem with alcohol. Or how two dui's is a pattern? While Blackmon might have a problem, no one here has any clue what's really going on. So to suggest he has a problem is no more than your opinion.

Then to suggest Blackmon thought about what he was doing before he got behind the wheel is simply misguided. I highly doubt he was thinking about what he was doing, if anything at all. He blew a .24. It's surprising he could even function. And by function I mean walk to a car, turn it on, and drive at all.

And Jared Allen comes to mind as a guy who had issues with dui's and turned his life around. He eventually matured and eliminated it from his life. Also Chris carter. He had problems with drugs but was able to turn his life around. It can be done. Blackmon is still young and immature. Hopefully he can eliminate this from his life. Hopefully his family or the jaguars gets him some guidance. But let's not condemn the kid to a life of alcohol abuse.

People aren't condemning him to "a life of alcohol abuse." But this is a problem - a pretty big issue and he's going to have to make major changes to his life in order to succeed in the NFL. He absolutely may do that and I'm rooting for him, but to have two DUI's by the age of 23 is a major deal. The fact that he got into a state where as you describe "I'm surprised he could even function" is sort of a major red flag here. Sure, if it was an isolated indecent I wouldn't be that effected. But it's not. It's a trend. And a very bad one.

 

[habsfan]

I struggle with threads like this in the Shark Pool. I know when I click on them there will be very little tie-in to actual football but like driving by an accident on the highway, I just can't help but click and read.

So he is not under contract and I've read conjecture ranging from "he'll go back to the draft" to "one year rookie minimum" to "he'll sign a status quo deal like little ever happened". Any thoughts on this?

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a guy without a sense of humor or anything like that. But getting behind the wheel after having a couple too many beers is just begging for trouble. And at bare-minimum showing little/no regard for others around the people who do it. Has there ever been a person convicted of DUI who didn't think they were good enough to drive home and/or who could "hold their liquor" better than the average Joe who is a light-weight when it comes to .08? Blowing a .24? That's more than just showing little/no regard for others or simply being a dumb###. That would seem to approach more "I don't care if I live or die" territory. As if a .28 can kill you whether you're driving, a passenger, or simply sleeping it off, that's getting well-beyond the point of being "not being good enough to drive." Unless you are "clinical" in your dumb###ery, that would seem to indicate a much deeper set of issues one is dealing with in life. Some serious "demons" that someone is trying to escape or hide from. And it is NOT Blackmon being a light-weight and not being able to hold his liquor or anything like that...since it is a .28 for his height/weight/build...not the quantity of drinks consumed. For a guy with so much going for him, and so many million$ of reasons to keep his nose clean, it's troubling that he would seem to be in a (mental) position such as this. It has to have the Jaguars front office incredibly

I couldn't agree with you more Datonn and I'm sorry for your loss. What I don't understand is how a lot of people on this board are all too quick to brush this off as a simple lapse in judgement. This wasn't just a simple lapse in judgement.....this is a pattern going on here and it shows just how much of a problem Blackmon has with alcohol. Some on this board seem to even give Blackmon the benefit of the doubt stopping just short of saying "Blackmon has only drank twice in his life and he got caught driving drunk both times". Even if that was the case, which I guarantee isn't, it still screams big time trouble with this guy. As you point out Datonn, at 0.24 the normal person wouldn't be functional and we are approaching coma state for people who do not have a high tolerance. Now a person who has alcohol in his system often can be more functional at 0.24 and that's likely Blackmon. How much alcohol would it take a 215 lb guy to reach a 0.24? http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

**14 beers over 1 hour

**15 beers over 2 hours

**17 beers over 4 hours

**19 beers over 6 hours

Well you get the picture and it's a bad one for Blackmon and the Jags going forward. It's a problem and those of you who don't see it need to look closer. I can't name a single NFL star who has had this kind of problem with alcohol. Koren Robinson had all the talent in the world and never reached it.....yes because of alcohol. If this trend continues for Blackmon, he'll end up the same way. Alcohol for some people is nearly impossible to quit and Blackmon will need to do so to reach his potential.

I couldn't disagree with you anymore. While this is obviously a bad situation i don't understand why so many people on this board are suggesting two dui's shows a serious problem with alcohol. Or how two dui's is a pattern? While Blackmon might have a problem, no one here has any clue what's really going on. So to suggest he has a problem is no more than your opinion.

Then to suggest Blackmon thought about what he was doing before he got behind the wheel is simply misguided. I highly doubt he was thinking about what he was doing, if anything at all. He blew a .24. It's surprising he could even function. And by function I mean walk to a car, turn it on, and drive at all.

And Jared Allen comes to mind as a guy who had issues with dui's and turned his life around. He eventually matured and eliminated it from his life. Also Chris carter. He had problems with drugs but was able to turn his life around. It can be done. Blackmon is still young and immature. Hopefully he can eliminate this from his life. Hopefully his family or the jaguars gets him some guidance. But let's not condemn the kid to a life of alcohol abuse.

I think you're helping make the arguement for why some can say thatis he has a problem. The fact that he wasnt passed out or in a hospital and could funtion enough to get in his car and drive means he's had a lot of practice drinking a lot of alcohol. A person who doesnt drink much would probably not be able to physically consume 16-18 drinks before becoming violenty ill or passing out.

My point exactly! It's extremely alarming Blackmon could get into a car at 0.24....it means alcohol is a regular for him. Skeletore Eh, explain to me at what point alcohol becomes a problem with these simple questions:

1) 0.24 BAC isn't a problem? Where does it become a problem in your eyes Skeletore? Most wouldn't be walking at 0.24, so for Blackmon is 0.40 a problem? At what point?

2) 2 DUI's isn't a problem? At what point? 6 DUI's? Causing an accident? Running over a pedestrian? Where does the problem begin?

 

[werdnoynek]

The guy who lost three close friends to two drunks thinking they were "good enough to drive home" in separate accidents in the span of about six weeks.

Sorry for your loss. Especially in this case I agree that Blackmon should have big bold font "dumb####" on his forehead for attempting to drive and blowing .24Drunk driving is a serious issue and a lot of folks laugh it off as a victimless crime. That is until it personally affects you. By the grace of God, Blackmon hasn't already killed someone else or himself. We are all young and immature at some part of our lives, but 2 DUI's by the tender age of 22 doesn't bode well for this guy ever growing up. SMH

Yeah, I don't want to come off as a guy without a sense of humor or anything like that. But getting behind the wheel after having a couple too many beers is just begging for trouble. And at bare-minimum showing little/no regard for others around the people who do it. Has there ever been a person convicted of DUI who didn't think they were good enough to drive home and/or who could "hold their liquor" better than the average Joe who is a light-weight when it comes to .08? Blowing a .24? That's more than just showing little/no regard for others or simply being a dumb###. That would seem to approach more "I don't care if I live or die" territory. As if a .28 can kill you whether you're driving, a passenger, or simply sleeping it off, that's getting well-beyond the point of being "not being good enough to drive." Unless you are "clinical" in your dumb###ery, that would seem to indicate a much deeper set of issues one is dealing with in life. Some serious "demons" that someone is trying to escape or hide from. And it is NOT Blackmon being a light-weight and not being able to hold his liquor or anything like that...since it is a .28 for his height/weight/build...not the quantity of drinks consumed. For a guy with so much going for him, and so many million$ of reasons to keep his nose clean, it's troubling that he would seem to be in a (mental) position such as this. It has to have the Jaguars front office incredibly

I couldn't agree with you more Datonn and I'm sorry for your loss. What I don't understand is how a lot of people on this board are all too quick to brush this off as a simple lapse in judgement. This wasn't just a simple lapse in judgement.....this is a pattern going on here and it shows just how much of a problem Blackmon has with alcohol. Some on this board seem to even give Blackmon the benefit of the doubt stopping just short of saying "Blackmon has only drank twice in his life and he got caught driving drunk both times". Even if that was the case, which I guarantee isn't, it still screams big time trouble with this guy. As you point out Datonn, at 0.24 the normal person wouldn't be functional and we are approaching coma state for people who do not have a high tolerance. Now a person who has alcohol in his system often can be more functional at 0.24 and that's likely Blackmon. How much alcohol would it take a 215 lb guy to reach a 0.24? http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

**14 beers over 1 hour

**15 beers over 2 hours

**17 beers over 4 hours

**19 beers over 6 hours

Well you get the picture and it's a bad one for Blackmon and the Jags going forward. It's a problem and those of you who don't see it need to look closer. I can't name a single NFL star who has had this kind of problem with alcohol. Koren Robinson had all the talent in the world and never reached it.....yes because of alcohol. If this trend continues for Blackmon, he'll end up the same way. Alcohol for some people is nearly impossible to quit and Blackmon will need to do so to reach his potential.

I couldn't disagree with you anymore. While this is obviously a bad situation i don't understand why so many people on this board are suggesting two dui's shows a serious problem with alcohol. Or how two dui's is a pattern? While Blackmon might have a problem, no one here has any clue what's really going on. So to suggest he has a problem is no more than your opinion.

Then to suggest Blackmon thought about what he was doing before he got behind the wheel is simply misguided. I highly doubt he was thinking about what he was doing, if anything at all. He blew a .24. It's surprising he could even function. And by function I mean walk to a car, turn it on, and drive at all.

And Jared Allen comes to mind as a guy who had issues with dui's and turned his life around. He eventually matured and eliminated it from his life. Also Chris carter. He had problems with drugs but was able to turn his life around. It can be done. Blackmon is still young and immature. Hopefully he can eliminate this from his life. Hopefully his family or the jaguars gets him some guidance. But let's not condemn the kid to a life of alcohol abuse.

I think you're helping make the arguement for why some can say that he has a problem. The fact that he wasnt passed out or in a hospital and could funtion enough to get in his car and drive means he's had a lot of practice drinking a lot of alcohol. A person who doesnt drink much would probably not be able to physically consume 16-18 drinks before becoming violenty ill or passing out.

many of you obviously haven't partied in today's college environment. binge drinking happens everywhere and while i agree it's a problem - most of these kids can still be successful in their endeavors and become model citizens. they have weekend benders then go to school or work on monday. he's gotten behind the wheel and now he's gotten caught twice, who knows how many times he's done this - i think it's beside the point. he's young and obviously dumb... but as i've said and as skeletor is saying people are making a knee jerk reaction about how big of a problem this really is. no one knows what is really going on here and it seems like there's a lot of holier than thou bias and judgement happening.ETA: i think this is probably the best thing that could have happened to him. instead of his partying and bad judgement continuing hopefully this is a wake up call for him. again, i don't really think he's going to be all that great of a football player anyway but if he actually had the speed and size to be great, i wouldn't be jumping ship right now and if i actually was a believer, i'd be trying to buy him off of the chicken little owners as we speak.

 

[jurb26]

1) 0.24 BAC isn't a problem? Where does it become a problem in your eyes Skeletore? Most wouldn't be walking at 0.24, so for Blackmon is 0.40 a problem? At what point?2) 2 DUI's isn't a problem? At what point? 6 DUI's? Causing an accident? Running over a pedestrian? Where does the problem begin?

This here is exactly why I see it as alarming. I don't have any scientific evidence to site here, but based on my own personal experience what you are saying in point 1 is pretty accurate. In my younger years, when I was regularly hitting bars and drinking, it would take a lot more alcohol for me to start feeling the effects. Hence the phrases, "he can hold his liquor." The more you drink, the more conditioned it seems your body is to "holding your liquor" and the less you seem effected by it. I could easily drink 7 or 8 beers in a relatively short amount of time and not become sloppy. Drunk sure, but not sloppy. Now that I'm older and out of the bar hopping life if I were to drink 7 or 8 beers in a short amount of time I'd be falling all over myself and likely puking as well. As a matter of fact this happened not too long ago after a night out with some old friends and a couple bottles of wine (don't worry, my wife was forced to drive me home!).Again, I don't know if this is backed up by hard evidence or not but it seems to me that the more you drink the more you can handle it. So, the fact that he consumed that much alcohol and was still functional enough to do the things he did leads me to believe this wasn't his first go at it. I'm not saying he is cursed here or that he is an alcoholic. Perhaps he's just living the good life until he starts his NFL career. Either way, it seems some people are trying to act as though there are no possible risks here at all and that seems foolish to me. Even if Blackmon does have a drinking problem or is an alcoholic he is still young enough that he could get the proper help and turn it around. In the end, none of us really know what the story actually is. We just get to watch it unfold.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

If I recall my NFL history correctly, Bobby Layne was a gigantic alcoholic. Didn't stop him from being awesome.

Go, Justin! HOF, baby!

(For all the "Super Awesome Fun Police" types: Don't have collective apoplexy, that was sarcasm).

 

[Raiderfan32904]

[many of you obviously haven't partied in today's college environment. binge drinking happens everywhere and while i agree it's a problem - most of these kids can still be successful in their endeavors and become model citizens. they have weekend benders then go to school or work on monday. he's gotten behind the wheel and now he's gotten caught twice, who knows how many times he's done this - i think it's beside the point. he's young and obviously dumb... but as i've said and as skeletor is saying people are making a knee jerk reaction about how big of a problem this really is. no one knows what is really going on here and it seems like there's a lot of holier than thou bias happening.

First, today’s college environment doesn’t offer any more or less opportunity for binge drinking than back in the day. Second, most of these “kids” being successful despite drinking binges is a statement that can’t really be backed up by statistics. I think that statement actually is doubtful. From experience, I’ve seen many college students drink their way out of their chosen major, only to settle for something easier or quit school altogether and get a blue collar job. Third, no one here is “holier than thou”. In my younger days, I remember driving home and being buzzed and figured I’d get away with it. And I did. I was lucky and stupid. Of course, I drank socially and knew that 5 or 6 drinks a night was pushing it. Even while drunk or buzzed, I still knew had the capacity to gage what was crossing the line. I never had or wanted the need to drink a 18 or 24 pack of beer. Why does anyone do this btw? I can’t imagine thinking about driving with that many drinks in my system. It doesn’t make me proud to admit I got lucky and I never had a DUI. But I was also never a seasoned, polished power-drinker either. I know a few of these types, and even they are smart enough to know to take a cab. Blackmon is that dangerous combination of power-drunk who is not self-aware. He didn't get there overnight, it must have taken some serious practice. So again, it's not an isolated thing. It's not just happenstance that he was caught the only 2 times he's done this.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

1) 0.24 BAC isn't a problem? Where does it become a problem in your eyes Skeletore? Most wouldn't be walking at 0.24, so for Blackmon is 0.40 a problem? At what point?2) 2 DUI's isn't a problem? At what point? 6 DUI's? Causing an accident? Running over a pedestrian? Where does the problem begin?

This here is exactly why I see it as alarming. I don't have any scientific evidence to site here, but based on my own personal experience what you are saying in point 1 is pretty accurate. In my younger years, when I was regularly hitting bars and drinking, it would take a lot more alcohol for me to start feeling the effects. Hence the phrases, "he can hold his liquor." The more you drink, the more conditioned it seems your body is to "holding your liquor" and the less you seem effected by it. I could easily drink 7 or 8 beers in a relatively short amount of time and not become sloppy. Drunk sure, but not sloppy. Now that I'm older and out of the bar hopping life if I were to drink 7 or 8 beers in a short amount of time I'd be falling all over myself and likely puking as well. As a matter of fact this happened not too long ago after a night out with some old friends and a couple bottles of wine (don't worry, my wife was forced to drive me home!).Again, I don't know if this is backed up by hard evidence or not but it seems to me that the more you drink the more you can handle it. So, the fact that he consumed that much alcohol and was still functional enough to do the things he did leads me to believe this wasn't his first go at it. I'm not saying he is cursed here or that he is an alcoholic. Perhaps he's just living the good life until he starts his NFL career. Either way, it seems some people are trying to act as though there are no possible risks here at all and that seems foolish to me. Even if Blackmon does have a drinking problem or is an alcoholic he is still young enough that he could get the proper help and turn it around. In the end, none of us really know what the story actually is. We just get to watch it unfold.

Yes, there is hard evidence and a scientific term called alcohol tolerance. Alcohol tolerance is defined as the body's ability to adapt and get use to alcohol being in the system. Alcohol tolerance occurs when the body sees a regular stream of alcohol. Those in the medical field know it has to do with upregulation of GABA receptors. Alcohol tolerance is a very real thing with a physiological explanation. The fact that Blackmon had a 0.24 BAC and was still functioning in fact does show he has a "high tolerance" to alcohol and he does in fact frequently drink.....which is required to obtain tolerance.