Kansas City Offense (1 Viewer)

[TheBradyBunch]

While people debate the winners and losers of the Cassel deal, what are you thoughts and expectations for the new KC offense with Cassel under center and Pioli/Haley calling the shots? As far as Cassel is concerned, I don't think he could've possibly ended up in a better spot to immediately jump into the similar pass-happy offense that he thrived in with the Patriots. As a NE (Cassel) follower, I really like this move for KC. I'll be very interested to see how their offense takes shape next season with some of these new additions and philosophies.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/chiefs-star-...arrogance-22555

Chiefs Star ‘Shocked’ By New Coach’s ‘Arrogance’

If Kansas City Chiefs fans thought that new head coach Todd Haley and GM Scott Pioli would bring new stability to the organization, they should think again. The KANSAS CITY STAR is reporting that Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is asking to be released or traded after being “shocked” by the arrogance of the two in their first meetings - confirming what he has heard about Haley from Arizona Cardinals players at the Pro Bowl.

Brian Waters

There were three Cardinals at the Pro Bowl this year: Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Kurt Warner, all of whom played under Haley’s direction as Arizona’s offensive coordinator, and all of whom have their reasons for bad-mouthing Haley to his new star lineman. But old grudges aside, Haley and Pioli did themselves no favors with Waters in terms of making good first impressions.

According to the report, Waters flew out to Kansas City to specifically meet with Haley and Pioli to find out their long-term plans for the team. Which sounds reasonable, especially since Waters is one of the few good players on the team who have had to suffer through the team’s ennui in recent years. But Haley and Piloi’s apparent reactions were anything but reasonable:

“Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.“

Which we all know is not true: the Lions had 22 players - some of them who weren’t pulled off of the unemployment line! - and they still managed to go 0-16. And it’s also a huge slap in the face by a head coach meeting with the supposed anchor of his offensive line, essentially telling him that I put anyone in your spot and it wouldn’t matter.

I can’t imagine why a Pro Bowl player and one of the more respected linemen in the game would be offended by that. So now you can add Waters to Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez as Chiefs’ offensive stalwarts asking to or thinking about leaving the Chiefs. But that’s OK - when you have as much talent as the Chiefs, you can afford to be this arrogant.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't think we can accurately judge their offense until after the draft. There's no guarantees Gonz a/o LJ will still be Chefs in two months, among other things...

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

KC players, welcome to the Parcells way. Maybe now you're team won't suck, and the fans will be rewarded for their loyalty.

 

[sparkky]

I would certainly think this bumps Bowe up a few notches. unless the DEF makes a miraculous turn around they could be playing catch up in lots of games.

curious to see if Bradley stays the #2 WR.

Crabtree at #3? move down a few spots and take Maclin? another trade?? FA?

hard to say right now.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

KC players, welcome to the Parcells way. Maybe now you're team won't suck, and the fans will be rewarded for their loyalty.

 

[MAC_32]

I would certainly think this bumps Bowe up a few notches. unless the DEF makes a miraculous turn around they could be playing catch up in lots of games.

curious to see if Bradley stays the #2 WR.

Crabtree at #3? move down a few spots and take Maclin? another trade?? FA?

hard to say right now.

I think those are both horrible ideas.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/chiefs-star-...arrogance-22555

Chiefs Star ‘Shocked’ By New Coach’s ‘Arrogance’

If Kansas City Chiefs fans thought that new head coach Todd Haley and GM Scott Pioli would bring new stability to the organization, they should think again. The KANSAS CITY STAR is reporting that Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is asking to be released or traded after being “shocked” by the arrogance of the two in their first meetings - confirming what he has heard about Haley from Arizona Cardinals players at the Pro Bowl.

Brian Waters

There were three Cardinals at the Pro Bowl this year: Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Kurt Warner, all of whom played under Haley’s direction as Arizona’s offensive coordinator, and all of whom have their reasons for bad-mouthing Haley to his new star lineman. But old grudges aside, Haley and Pioli did themselves no favors with Waters in terms of making good first impressions.

According to the report, Waters flew out to Kansas City to specifically meet with Haley and Pioli to find out their long-term plans for the team. Which sounds reasonable, especially since Waters is one of the few good players on the team who have had to suffer through the team’s ennui in recent years. But Haley and Piloi’s apparent reactions were anything but reasonable:

“Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.“

Which we all know is not true: the Lions had 22 players - some of them who weren’t pulled off of the unemployment line! - and they still managed to go 0-16. And it’s also a huge slap in the face by a head coach meeting with the supposed anchor of his offensive line, essentially telling him that I put anyone in your spot and it wouldn’t matter.

I can’t imagine why a Pro Bowl player and one of the more respected linemen in the game would be offended by that. So now you can add Waters to Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez as Chiefs’ offensive stalwarts asking to or thinking about leaving the Chiefs. But that’s OK - when you have as much talent as the Chiefs, you can afford to be this arrogant.

I think the moral of this story is that the inmates aren't going to run the asylum in KC.

 

[duece2626]

I would certainly think this bumps Bowe up a few notches. unless the DEF makes a miraculous turn around they could be playing catch up in lots of games.

curious to see if Bradley stays the #2 WR.

Crabtree at #3? move down a few spots and take Maclin? another trade?? FA?

hard to say right now.

I think those are both horrible ideas.

Take Curry or an O-lineman at 3. Then Bowe, Bradley, Franklin at WR.

 

[sparkky]

I would certainly think this bumps Bowe up a few notches. unless the DEF makes a miraculous turn around they could be playing catch up in lots of games.

curious to see if Bradley stays the #2 WR.

Crabtree at #3? move down a few spots and take Maclin? another trade?? FA?

hard to say right now.

I think those are both horrible ideas.

Take Curry or an O-lineman at 3. Then Bowe, Bradley, Franklin at WR.

never said they were "good ideas", just possibilities. I'm currently doing a start up vet only draft in a start 4-5 WR league and have taken BOTH Bowe and Bradley so I'm ALL FOR that idea!!! COUNT ME IN!! LOL

 

[twitch]

How much of a complete buffoon is this Jason Whitlock guy?? And he actually works for a KC paper. Its as if every single chance the guy gets he just tries to rip that team apart at the seams. His writings represent some of the worst, most obviously biased and slanted journalism Ive ever read in my life. Just a total hack with a shredded perspective.

 

[sparkky]

How much of a complete buffoon is this Jason Whitlock guy?? And he actually works for a KC paper. Its as if every single chance the guy gets he just tries to rip that team apart at the seams. His writings represent some of the worst, most obviously biased and slanted journalism Ive ever read in my life. Just a total hack with a shredded perspective.

right on all accounts. he's out for "reactions" instead of representation of facts. he'll say it's dark at noon if that will get a stink and reactions started.

 

[BearsFan]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/chiefs-star-...arrogance-22555

Chiefs Star ‘Shocked’ By New Coach’s ‘Arrogance’

If Kansas City Chiefs fans thought that new head coach Todd Haley and GM Scott Pioli would bring new stability to the organization, they should think again. The KANSAS CITY STAR is reporting that Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is asking to be released or traded after being “shocked” by the arrogance of the two in their first meetings - confirming what he has heard about Haley from Arizona Cardinals players at the Pro Bowl.

Brian Waters

There were three Cardinals at the Pro Bowl this year: Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald and Kurt Warner, all of whom played under Haley’s direction as Arizona’s offensive coordinator, and all of whom have their reasons for bad-mouthing Haley to his new star lineman. But old grudges aside, Haley and Pioli did themselves no favors with Waters in terms of making good first impressions.

According to the report, Waters flew out to Kansas City to specifically meet with Haley and Pioli to find out their long-term plans for the team. Which sounds reasonable, especially since Waters is one of the few good players on the team who have had to suffer through the team’s ennui in recent years. But Haley and Piloi’s apparent reactions were anything but reasonable:

“Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said.“

Which we all know is not true: the Lions had 22 players - some of them who weren’t pulled off of the unemployment line! - and they still managed to go 0-16. And it’s also a huge slap in the face by a head coach meeting with the supposed anchor of his offensive line, essentially telling him that I put anyone in your spot and it wouldn’t matter.

I can’t imagine why a Pro Bowl player and one of the more respected linemen in the game would be offended by that. So now you can add Waters to Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez as Chiefs’ offensive stalwarts asking to or thinking about leaving the Chiefs. But that’s OK - when you have as much talent as the Chiefs, you can afford to be this arrogant.

I think the moral of this story is that the inmates aren't going to run the asylum in KC.

And Brian Waters is the main inmate there??

 

[Football Jones]

I don't blame Pioli. That would be like me, a regular employee, wanting to meet with the big boys about their plans for the company. Maybe Pioli could've handled it more diplomatically, but I believe he was sending a message.

Not sure what Haley's deal is, but he didn't mistreat anybody (as far as I know). If his style is to be a hardass, then the players either shape up or ship out. That style of managing can work if you can pull it off. It remains to be seen if Haley can walk the walk.

 

[Christo]

That would be like me, a regular employee, wanting to meet with the big boys about their plans for the company.

Not really.

 

[Workhorse]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs.

Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

 

[bjabrad]

I don't blame Pioli. That would be like me, a regular employee, wanting to meet with the big boys about their plans for the company. Maybe Pioli could've handled it more diplomatically, but I believe he was sending a message. Not sure what Haley's deal is, but he didn't mistreat anybody (as far as I know). If his style is to be a hardass, then the players either shape up or ship out. That style of managing can work if you can pull it off. It remains to be seen if Haley can walk the walk.

It sounds like Waters came in uninvited and the new leadership wanted to demonstrate to him how the chain of command direction would work. They probably used him as an example to everyone else but it may just be that they will be consistent with how they treat all players. And it seems to work fine in New England and everywhere Parcells has been.

 

[gianmarco]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs. Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

Right, except they don't have a WR like Welker (yet). This is why I've been saying that Cassel has potential to thrive in the right situation where he has WR's that can do well on short, quick hitting routes. I don't see that being the case in KC as of right now.

 

[RockHard]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs.

Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

I would actually reverse what you wrote. Most of Cassel's passes were within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Your description of 3-4 WR sets sounds like the same offense KC ran most of last season. I dont think he is a significant upgrade from Thigpen.

 

[Workhorse]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs.

Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

I would actually reverse what you wrote. Most of Cassel's passes were within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Your description of 3-4 WR sets sounds like the same offense KC ran most of last season. I dont think he is a significant upgrade from Thigpen.

Except Cassel is a far more accurate passer in this system.

 

[pats3in4]

How much of a complete buffoon is this Jason Whitlock guy?? And he actually works for a KC paper. Its as if every single chance the guy gets he just tries to rip that team apart at the seams. His writings represent some of the worst, most obviously biased and slanted journalism Ive ever read in my life. Just a total hack with a shredded perspective.

Jason Whitlock = "Bledsoe: Gay?" sign in Foxboro for '98 game vs. KC.

 

[3C's]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/chiefs-star-...arrogance-22555

I had no idea they actually ran news stories over there. Been going there for years for other items of interest.

 

[weasel3515]

As a Chiefs fan, I am disappointed that they signed Cassel since Thigpen played quite decently at the end of the year. It wasn't Thigpen's fault the whole team stunk. They need to address defense much more than the QB position.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

As a Chiefs fan, I am disappointed that they signed Cassel since Thigpen played quite decently at the end of the year. It wasn't Thigpen's fault the whole team stunk. They need to address defense much more than the QB position.

No problem. You got Vrable for a second rounder, plus Cassel thrown in for free. Problems on defense (lack of leadership, sense of entitlement) solved.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

And Brian Waters is the main inmate there??

I'm not trying to bash Waters, but like others have alluded to, why does the front office need to discuss their plans for the franchise with a guard? He's under contract and expected to play with whoever they bring in. Their job is to make the decisions and his is to block.

 

[loose circuits]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs. Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

Right, except they don't have a WR like Welker (yet). This is why I've been saying that Cassel has potential to thrive in the right situation where he has WR's that can do well on short, quick hitting routes. I don't see that being the case in KC as of right now.

Was Wes Welker that good before he arrived in New England? I think they have some solid candidates in Bradley, Franklin, and Kevin Robinson.

 

[Phlash]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs. Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

Right, except they don't have a WR like Welker (yet). This is why I've been saying that Cassel has potential to thrive in the right situation where he has WR's that can do well on short, quick hitting routes. I don't see that being the case in KC as of right now.

Was Wes Welker that good before he arrived in New England? I think they have some solid candidates in Bradley, Franklin, and Kevin Robinson.

He was great with the Dolphins. Many fins fans were upset at giving up Welker because they realized he was blossoming into an upper-tier NFL receiver.

 

[loose circuits]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs. Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

Right, except they don't have a WR like Welker (yet). This is why I've been saying that Cassel has potential to thrive in the right situation where he has WR's that can do well on short, quick hitting routes. I don't see that being the case in KC as of right now.

Was Wes Welker that good before he arrived in New England? I think they have some solid candidates in Bradley, Franklin, and Kevin Robinson.

He was great with the Dolphins. Many fins fans were upset at giving up Welker because they realized he was blossoming into an upper-tier NFL receiver.

67 for 687 and 1 TD is great in your mind

 

[Phlash]

I think you immediately upgrade the Chiefs receivers and downgrade the running backs. Cassel struggled early in the Patriots offense in a traditional set, holding on to the ball too long, taking lots of sacks, etc... When the Pats went to a more wide-open, quick strike, 3-4 WR set, Cassel really shined. Pioli knows Cassel's strengths and weaknesses and my guess is that they'll start on day one with an offense that caters to Cassel's style.

Right, except they don't have a WR like Welker (yet). This is why I've been saying that Cassel has potential to thrive in the right situation where he has WR's that can do well on short, quick hitting routes. I don't see that being the case in KC as of right now.

Was Wes Welker that good before he arrived in New England? I think they have some solid candidates in Bradley, Franklin, and Kevin Robinson.

He was great with the Dolphins. Many fins fans were upset at giving up Welker because they realized he was blossoming into an upper-tier NFL receiver.

67 for 687 and 1 TD is great in your mind

Stats don't tell the whole story. He was huge on special teams and passed the looking test. Ask Dolphin fans if they think he was going to be a really good player and most of them will say yes.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Well, gotta hand it to them as it looks like they stuck it to Denver and kept Cassell away from the Broncos.Hurray for them. For once,I see them headed inthe right direction. I think all their WR's get a little bump in the positive direction and production wise. Now that they have Cassell I see TonyG staying in KC for at least this year. Now comes the rb position. What are they gonna do with LJ now. I think they'd be foolish to just get rid of him unless they can get someone of comparable value when he was posting monster numbers. And now what are they gonna do with the # 3 pick? Trade down and get more picks and land a rb later? After Denver sneakily, and without results, tried to land Cassell I hope the Chiefs thrash the Broncos both games this year,hahaha!!!. I think you KC homers and fans have a good future to look foward to now and the best of luck to ya!

 

[TheBradyBunch]

What's the Chiefs current cap situation with the additions of Vrabel and Cassel as it sounds like a long-term deal with Cassel was not agreed upon prior to the trade?

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think KC did a great job in getting a leader on Defense plus a 26 year old Franchise QB who is also an amazing athelete; for a only a 2nd pick. Remember, Cassel was more than a good passer, he was an outstanding scambler.

There a reason why the old GM from the Pats and the old OC both went after Cassel, because hes good.

Thigpen did a good job and he'll make a fine back up, but thats what he is... a back up.

Depending on the play of the O-Line, I say the whole Offense gets bumps. I'm kind of surprised that KC hasn't entered the Housh talks yet.

LJ, Gonzo, & Bowe should be on the Radars...

 

[CalBear]

I think Bowe gets a significant bump. Gonzo will probably have fewer targets but more scoring opportunities. LJ will also have more scoring opportunities.

Going for Housh seems like a waste here; KC needs to work on offensive line and defense. The rest of the offense seems to have enough talent to be good.

 

[sparkky]

What's the Chiefs current cap situation with the additions of Vrabel and Cassel as it sounds like a long-term deal with Cassel was not agreed upon prior to the trade?

from what I've read KC had around $57M cap space before this deal. NE only 3.2Mhttp://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/26/tampa-bay-...lary-cap-space/

 

[Mr. Pink]

As a Chiefs fan, I am disappointed that they signed Cassel since Thigpen played quite decently at the end of the year. It wasn't Thigpen's fault the whole team stunk. They need to address defense much more than the QB position.

Thigpen played decently from a fantasy perspective, but did throw 8 INTs in his last 7 games. Cassel was more efficient than Thiggy, but he also led all QBs in yards after the catch, which improved his stats dramatically. Are they better with Cassel? I suppose. KC fans should just temper their expectations.

 

[KCC]

The Pioli way is not the Jerry Jones way and I'm not surprised at all by how Pioli handled the Waters situation. The message is a biproduct of the philosophy that the team is bigger than the individual players. Although a lot of teams will say that, there are very few teams able to actually practice that approach.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Congrads Chiefs fans, looks like you all have some serious talent brewing again on offense. Just need some OL help and you can find it in the draft. I like the idea of Thigpen as some of type of roving WR3 on offense, maybe run some Wildcat formations to go with Cassel, this team is going to be fun to watch again. Vrabel won't hurt that defense either.

 

[Workhorse]

I think KC did a great job in getting a leader on Defense plus a 26 year old Franchise QB who is also an amazing athelete; for a only a 2nd pick. Remember, Cassel was more than a good passer, he was an outstanding scambler.

He's a very good scrambler but he takes a lot of sacks too. Hopefully he's durable because he's going to take a licking over the next few seasons.

 

[Spike]

How much of a complete buffoon is this Jason Whitlock guy?? And he actually works for a KC paper. Its as if every single chance the guy gets he just tries to rip that team apart at the seams. His writings represent some of the worst, most obviously biased and slanted journalism Ive ever read in my life. Just a total hack with a shredded perspective.

You're way off, imo. I think he's a hell of a writer. I might not agree with all he says, but he's an excellent writer.

 

[Eminence]

Thigpen.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wow, everyone just takes the fact that Cassel will pan out in KC. I guess having Thigpen in the background at least gurantees you a saftey net of some sort. I think the Pats handled this to perfection and will come out on the better end of this deal. I think Thigpen showed me enough, on top of that there is a better crop of qb's in next year's draft. I love the Vrabel deal for KC, however the Cassel deal is something I'm not has high on as others. KC needs a ton of help at a lot more areas than QB. I think it's risky to take a guy like Cassel.

Really?The Chiefs have strengthened what has been a major problem for them since Trent Green went down...look at Miami and what they did in a very short time. KC now has Matt Cassel and they have talent around him. They drafted a LT I believe last year and I would look for them to get better along that line in the draft. Now they have Thigpen who can be called upon in different situations as well. I lok for the Chiefs to be one of the early favorites for biggest turnaround. You could see them winning at least 8 games easily. Vrabel will help that defense as well, and it doesn't take 10 wins to wint he West right now...Chiefs are a contender again.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

 

[SuperJohn96]

I don't see how anyone who played for a 2-win team can be offended by anything said about that season.

 

[Sinrman]

If LJ and Gonzalez stick around, I think this could actually be a fairly decent offense this year... and in the AFC Worst, it could be enough to beat out the others...

 

[TheBradyBunch]

LJ celebrated the Cassel deal this past weekend by heading to Vegas with his favorite pink swatch!

Priceless Photo

 

[Routilla]

Any news on KC's TC yet? Specifically, is Cassel looking the part?

 

[The Jacket]

Any news on KC's TC yet? Specifically, is Cassel looking the part?

All based on just one week's action, so purely a limited take at this point --Good:- Branden Albert looks like a beast- Larry Johnson is playing for his job and it's showing- Cassel has been deadly accurate and displays impressive leadership skillsBad: - No one has stepped up even remotely at TE- Damion McIntosh is getting beaten like a drum at RT, and there's little positive word on any other tackle looking good- The WRs are dropping a lot of passesBased on what I've read I think Cassel is looking like the part for sure. It's just a shame that the majority of the supporting cast hasn't stepped up thus far. Still plenty of time to go, and the dropsies are something that can improve.

 

[Routilla]

Any news on KC's TC yet? Specifically, is Cassel looking the part?

All based on just one week's action, so purely a limited take at this point --Good:- Branden Albert looks like a beast- Larry Johnson is playing for his job and it's showing- Cassel has been deadly accurate and displays impressive leadership skillsBad: - No one has stepped up even remotely at TE- Damion McIntosh is getting beaten like a drum at RT, and there's little positive word on any other tackle looking good- The WRs are dropping a lot of passesBased on what I've read I think Cassel is looking like the part for sure. It's just a shame that the majority of the supporting cast hasn't stepped up thus far. Still plenty of time to go, and the dropsies are something that can improve.

Thank you Sir!

 

[IHEARTFF]

I loathe McIntosh. Please get someone else at RT ASAP!

 

[Routilla]

Anything on Mark Bradley yet?