KC v ATL last nite (1 Viewer)

[rizzler]

call me premature. call it far too small a sample size. call it whatever you like.

Jones will not get the lions share of carries this season... nor do I believe he will get anything more than a complinetary role of 5-10 touches a game max...

Jones had only 2 carries for 2yds... both carries of which he ran STRAIGHT into the line, head down... assuming he was still playing for the Jets, Jones figured each duck and pray would be worth at least 4-6yds... then reality set in and it was the Chiefs openign holes for him

Charles as he did all season in 2009, impressed me again last nite... 4 carries for 37yds (9ypc)... was shifty and elusive. His first rush of the game; Charles rushed right, make a SICK juke/cut left and nearly found a gaping hole into open field (but was taken down after only a few yards...but was very close)

The bottom line is, Jones showed his game, albeit in 2 carries; and that style will not work with the Chiefs aside from POSSIBLY goalline or small yardage

I am one who loves Charles... perhaps biased... But I watched last nite with intent. And saw nothing to make me even remotely question who the starter will be. Unless you were hellbent on losing to lock up a certain QB as your no1 draftchoice

note: i looked to see if this type of thread had been posted, didnt see it... and now just noticed one. didnt mean to clutter... guess I shouldnt do fine detective work first thing in the AM

 

[BeTheMatch]

Yep, two carries settles it. Case closed.

 

[The Jacket]

Yep, two carries settles it. Case closed.

One was enough. Jones is a plodding up-the-gut 31-year-old, Charles is an explosive, inside-outside 23-year-old with sick moves and unbeatable speed.Oh, you're not serious? Your bad.

 

[Mr. Black]

Yep, two carries settles it. Case closed.

 

[jurb26]

Yep, two carries settles it. Case closed.

One was enough. Jones is a plodding up-the-gut 31-year-old, Charles is an explosive, inside-outside 23-year-old with sick moves and unbeatable speed.Oh, you're not serious? Your bad.

Although I find this amusing I really hope Jones proves to be better than his 2 carries showed last night. Charles could really benefit from a guy like Jones to provide a breather and keep him fresh.

 

[Bayhawks]

call me premature. call it far too small a sample size. call it whatever you like.Jones will not get the lions share of carries this season... nor do I believe he will get anything more than a complinetary role of 5-10 touches a game max...Jones had only 2 carries for 2yds... both carries of which he ran STRAIGHT into the line, head down... assuming he was still playing for the Jets, Jones figured each duck and pray would be worth at least 4-6yds... then reality set in and it was the Chiefs openign holes for himCharles as he did all season in 2009, impressed me again last nite... 4 carries for 37yds (9ypc)... was shifty and elusive. His first rush of the game; Charles rushed right, make a SICK juke/cut left and nearly found a gaping hole into open field (but was taken down after only a few yards...but was very close) The bottom line is, Jones showed his game, albeit in 2 carries; and that style will not work with the Chiefs aside from POSSIBLY goalline or small yardageI am one who loves Charles... perhaps biased... But I watched last nite with intent. And saw nothing to make me even remotely question who the starter will be. Unless you were hellbent on losing to lock up a certain QB as your no1 draftchoicenote: i looked to see if this type of thread had been posted, didnt see it... and now just noticed one. didnt mean to clutter... guess I shouldnt do fine detective work first thing in the AM

I hope KC gives Charles a lot of work, but me thinks your logic is flawed, for two reasons.1) 2 carries is WAY too small of a sample to make that determination.2) It's the FIRST PRE-SEASON games. Most coaches play their starters the first series or two, & then get them the hell out of the game. With this being said, some might argue that since Jones began the game, got a few carries and then was rested, that indicates that Haley STILL views him as the starter.

 

[Clifford]

Haley has clearly stated that he will ride the hot hand and said not to read too much into his depth chart. This means ffers have to make their own call. If you really think Charles will rise to the top (no reason to think he won't) he might represent a one of the best rb values in the league. This depth chart nonsense could make him a steal. People are alowthe to draft someone high unless they have confirmation from the team that he will be the man. Did not watch the game so thanks for your observations.

 

[FavreCo]

Going from one of the top 5 OL's to probably bottom 5 OL's is the end of Thomas Jones. They will say he somehow got old real fast but in reality it all has to do with the OL when his stats totally suck this year.

Charles can do things that Jones can't.

 

[rizzler]

funny how i prefaced my statement w/ call it pre,ature and it's a small sample size... yet im still dug for it

If people are really that high on Jones... are you considering drafting him before Charles? I guess thats the true testament to how strongly you believe that Jones is in fact "the man"

... I didnt even need to see the 2 cqrries from Jones to believe he would not be the man in KC. seeing him dive towards the line twice just confirmed it. I dont get it... the Jets let a 'stud' in Jones leave, instead of signing him for pennies, and sign LT instead... wheres the logic in this if he is still 'so good'

I have been a Jones owner on more than one occasion. he faded like a 1991 haircut last season... he is 31. He rushed behind the Jets O-line. Yesterday he only got 2 carries a) to protect from injury, but b) after seeing him collapse into headon traffic twice in a row, for 1yd, I would have pulled him too.

I never said Jones wont play a part... i Just cant for the life of me see how it will be a prominent one

 

[LTF]

Oh no, Maurice Jones-Drew had two carries for zero yards last night, looks like I'm going to have to drop him as one of my keepers now.

 

[rizzler]

Oh no, Maurice Jones-Drew had two carries for zero yards last night, looks like I'm going to have to drop him as one of my keepers now.

Im not very high on MJD this year either... LOLBut he is in a very, very different situation. youre going to compare a 25yr old to a 31yr old in a 'timeshare' type situation...I see how the logic flows hereLTF - for arguments sake.... what round would you take charles and what round Jones? (before you say you wouldnt, there would be a round in which the value of taking each is far too great to pass up)

 

[Bayhawks]

Oh no, Maurice Jones-Drew had two carries for zero yards last night, looks like I'm going to have to drop him as one of my keepers now.

Im not very high on MJD this year either... LOLBut he is in a very, very different situation. youre going to compare a 25yr old to a 31yr old in a 'timeshare' type situation...

I see how the logic flows here

LTF - for arguments sake.... what round would you take charles and what round Jones? (before you say you wouldnt, there would be a round in which the value of taking each is far too great to pass up)

I think he was comparing MJD to Charles, and Charles ain't 31.But here's another situation. A young RB in a "timeshare" who has only 1 year of great numbers and who is at risk to lose TDs.

I know it's a small sample size, and call it premature, but Ray Rice didn't get any carries last night while McGahee and McClain looked good catching and running the ball. Based on what I saw, Rice is probably going to be the 3rd option behind those two this year.

Now if I posted that, you would expect me to get "digs," wouldn't you? That's because even if though I used "premature" and "small sample size," I'm still making a bold prediction based on those flimsy stats.

Here's a tip: don't make bold predictions, especially if they aren't based on much, unless you want to hear dissenting opinions.

 

[rizzler]

again, I dont see how this is a 'bold prediction'... and im fine hearing opinions, thats the point... im still waiting for some type of opinion to change my mind on why charles wouldnt receive the bulk of carries barring injury or terrible play.

hence why i asked the following: would you draft Jones OVER charles... or in which round would you take either/or RB

I feel as though ppl think Jones will be more productive, but have trouble believing they would draft him earlier than Charles

again, im looking for opinions.

 

[Gopher State]

Here's what I learned from watching the game:

Two carries are not enought to write off T. Jones, at the mimium he is the goal line back taking away TD's from Charles.

Dexter McCluster, made dazzling moves as a tailback and a slot receiver for the Chiefs last night. McClusters is a threat to Charles in PPR leagues. The chiefs will give this kid 10+ touches a game, he's to good not too. I think when the Chiefs are behind the will be giving "lots" of touches to McCluster, taking away touches/rec's from Charles especially hurts in PPR leagues.

I have friend who works for the Chiefs front office, their calling McCluster "a poor man's Percy Harvin" and he claims they will have a full package of both running and receiving plays for him.

Take it for what it's worth, but this kid might open some eye's this year. And in the same token Thomas Jones may bust, and Charles maybe average. Time will tell.

 

[rizzler]

Here's what I learned from watching the game:Two carries are not enought to write off T. Jones, at the mimium he is the goal line back taking away TD's from Charles.Dexter McCluster, made dazzling moves as a tailback and a slot receiver for the Chiefs last night. McClusters is a threat to Charles in PPR leagues. The chiefs will give this kid 10+ touches a game, he's to good not too. I think when the Chiefs are behind the will be giving "lots" of touches to McCluster, taking away touches/rec's from Charles especially hurts in PPR leagues.I have friend who works for the Chiefs front office, their calling McCluster "a poor man's Percy Harvin" and he claims they will have a full package of both running and receiving plays for him.Take it for what it's worth, but this kid might open some eye's this year. And in the same token Thomas Jones may bust, and Charles maybe average. Time will tell.

I was also impressed by mccluster. big time.and as i stated, perhaps jones will be the goalline back... i still dont truly believe he will, but it could happen.yesterday was a super small sample size... but the bottom line is I saw Jones continue his drop, and charles continue his rise. I also maintain that I could, in the end, be dead wrong... but as I see it, Charles is a supreme talent and SHOULD hold decent numbers for and end of 2nd/early 3rd round pick

 

[JKL]

Last year, I thought the Chiefs were wasting carries on LJ. I saw Charles in the preseason and thought he needed to be getting more touches than Johnson. When he barely got the ball while LJ carried for his 2.8 per carry, I thought maybe I was missing something. Even after LJ was suspended, they tried to split carries with replacement level players Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage, until Charles forced their hand by being so good.

He has had to claw and scrape for anything from this coaching staff, and that continues. That said, if they don't give him alot more carries than TJ, they are D-U-M-B. Use TJ in short yardage situations, use him late in games with the lead, to preserve Charles. TJ will average more than 3 yards on 2 carries, but I don't want them wasting carries in the first quarter that could go to Charles.

Now, am I confident that they will do that. No. Thats why he is a risk. But I would lean upside over downside at his current ADP.

Other notes from the game:

This looked a lot like last year, except now it is "Charles and McCluster is all we can muster" instead of just a one man show. I think McCluster showed he can be rosterable as a flex option in PPR leagues. If he gets 6 carries and 5 catches a game, he is a playmaker also. The line looked about like he has, Cassel looked the same. The defensive line looked just as pushable as last year. They stayed close with Atlanta in the first half, but kept their starters in longer, and were pushed around on the first drive by the Atlanta O-line. TOP in the first quarter was something like 12 min to 3 min.

 

[Otis]

If I see one more reference in the shark pool to YPC calculations based on 2 and 4 carries, I swear to jeebus I'm gonna punch myself squarely in the face.

Damn you August...

 

[Otis]

"Charles and McCluster is all we can muster"

Wait. Really?

 

[jurb26]

Here's what I learned from watching the game:

Two carries are not enought to write off T. Jones, at the mimium he is the goal line back taking away TD's from Charles.

Dexter McCluster, made dazzling moves as a tailback and a slot receiver for the Chiefs last night. McClusters is a threat to Charles in PPR leagues. The chiefs will give this kid 10+ touches a game, he's to good not too. I think when the Chiefs are behind the will be giving "lots" of touches to McCluster, taking away touches/rec's from Charles especially hurts in PPR leagues.

I have friend who works for the Chiefs front office, their calling McCluster "a poor man's Percy Harvin" and he claims they will have a full package of both running and receiving plays for him.

Take it for what it's worth, but this kid might open some eye's this year. And in the same token Thomas Jones may bust, and Charles maybe average. Time will tell.

A poor man's Percy Harvin is virtually no threat to steal anything significant from Charles IMO.

 

[rizzler]

If I see one more reference in the shark pool to YPC calculations based on 2 and 4 carries, I swear to jeebus I'm gonna punch myself squarely in the face.Damn you August...

I am not an idiot and basing my Jones failure on 2 carries... get real... i threw them in there as it was WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT.the fact that he hit the line and dropped twice, for 1yd, is exactly what he did at the end of last season when he dropped into oblivion.whereas his counterpart, was quick, made moves and gained yards

 

[Bayhawks]

Here's what I learned from watching the game:

Two carries are not enought to write off T. Jones, at the mimium he is the goal line back taking away TD's from Charles.

Dexter McCluster, made dazzling moves as a tailback and a slot receiver for the Chiefs last night. McClusters is a threat to Charles in PPR leagues. The chiefs will give this kid 10+ touches a game, he's to good not too. I think when the Chiefs are behind the will be giving "lots" of touches to McCluster, taking away touches/rec's from Charles especially hurts in PPR leagues.

I have friend who works for the Chiefs front office, their calling McCluster "a poor man's Percy Harvin" and he claims they will have a full package of both running and receiving plays for him.

Take it for what it's worth, but this kid might open some eye's this year. And in the same token Thomas Jones may bust, and Charles maybe average. Time will tell.

That's all well and good, but the "rich man's Percy Harvin," aka Percy Harvin, had 60 catches and 15 rushes last year. He is AT LEAST as much of a threat as McCluster, yet he averaged just under 5 touches a game. What reason would there be to expect the Chiefs to give McCluster 10+ touches/game????

 

[LBH]

T.Jones looked much better in 07 when he had 300 less yards and only 2TDs than he did last year piling up nice stats. Its going to be the J.Charles show this year, and the small sample size of last night only confirms what i already thought

 

[rizzler]

T.Jones looked much better in 07 when he had 300 less yards and only 2TDs than he did last year piling up nice stats. Its going to be the J.Charles show this year, and the small sample size of last night only confirms what i already thought

I agree... its not that im basing my beliefs off of 2 carries... but those 2 carries were a replica of late last season when his transmission seemed to slip. he had one gear. age is a definite factor, as well as the KC o-line... Charles succeeds in this environment because of his speed and elusiveness... making something out of nothing... will it last a full season? who knows... but id definitely take the chance on Charles over a guy whose modus operandi the last handful of games is 'straight ahead and down on first contact'

 

[massraider]

The KC offense isn't going to be able to just shove it down people's throats. They don't have the line, and don't have a QB that can chuck it downfield.

Cassell actually got worse in the 2nd half of the season, as Charles was the 2nd best fantasy back. They cannot rely on Cassell to win games, so I think their plan is to get the ball in the hands of players that can take short, safe plays, and score. That is Charles, McCluster, and Bowe.

Jones gets the short yardage stuff, the goalline stuff, the tough yards. But I think Charles is gonna be the main offensive weapon. Not sure that makes him worth his current ADP, but I still think he's much more valuable to owners than Jones is.

 

[shredhead]

Silly me, I came to this thread to maybe get some feedback on Turner, Roddy, and Gonzo. The thread title fooled me, I didn't realize this was a KC RB thread.

 

[rizzler]

Silly me, I came to this thread to maybe get some feedback on Turner, Roddy, and Gonzo. The thread title fooled me, I didn't realize this was a KC RB thread.

If it helps you any... Turner was a beast. I already had him very high and his performance has kept him there. looked good... roddy didnt do much, but wasnt asked to. Gonzo made some nice big yardage catches. very impressive

 

[-jb-]

To address rizzler's specific questions:

- I think Charles is far more valuable than Jones...and I don't know of anyone who believes otherwise. Some may view Jones as a better value given his ADP, but that's a different question.

- I haven't seen/heard anyone say they would draft Jones first, so not sure where that's coming from.

- I would gladly draft Charles near the end of the third. He won't be there, though.

I've been a vocal skeptic (not a detractor) of Charles, but have always kept an open mind until the bitter end. I haven't seen the game yet, so I'm excited to see Charles run. There's been so much hype around him, and all I've really been able to see is highlights...that doesn't help much. I think you learn more from the 3 and 4 yard gains than you do from the 30 yard gains.

 

[rizzler]

To address rizzler's specific questions:- I think Charles is far more valuable than Jones...and I don't know of anyone who believes otherwise. Some may view Jones as a better value given his ADP, but that's a different question.- I haven't seen/heard anyone say they would draft Jones first, so not sure where that's coming from.- I would gladly draft Charles near the end of the third. He won't be there, though.I've been a vocal skeptic (not a detractor) of Charles, but have always kept an open mind until the bitter end. I haven't seen the game yet, so I'm excited to see Charles run. There's been so much hype around him, and all I've really been able to see is highlights...that doesn't help much. I think you learn more from the 3 and 4 yard gains than you do from the 30 yard gains.

beauty responses... and to answer why i asked if people would draft Jones over Charles is because Ive seen some hype in the opposite favour on here and other sites of a select few thinking Jones is the starter and will get more carries... and if that is in fact the case, they would clearly draft Jones ahead of Charles... no? Thats what I want to hear... all the people saying Charles is the backup to Jones... I want them to express that they would in fact draft Jones ahead of Charles.and I am aware people in this thread are not specifically saying that Charles will be a bust... but if you truly believe Jones is the starter... and hasnt lost his game.. where do you draft him?

 

[-jb-]

To address rizzler's specific questions:

- I think Charles is far more valuable than Jones...and I don't know of anyone who believes otherwise. Some may view Jones as a better value given his ADP, but that's a different question.

- I haven't seen/heard anyone say they would draft Jones first, so not sure where that's coming from.

- I would gladly draft Charles near the end of the third. He won't be there, though.

I've been a vocal skeptic (not a detractor) of Charles, but have always kept an open mind until the bitter end. I haven't seen the game yet, so I'm excited to see Charles run. There's been so much hype around him, and all I've really been able to see is highlights...that doesn't help much. I think you learn more from the 3 and 4 yard gains than you do from the 30 yard gains.

beauty responses... and to answer why i asked if people would draft Jones over Charles is because Ive seen some hype in the opposite favour on here and other sites of a select few thinking Jones is the starter and will get more carries... and if that is in fact the case, they would clearly draft Jones ahead of Charles... no? Thats what I want to hear... all the people saying Charles is the backup to Jones... I want them to express that they would in fact draft Jones ahead of Charles.and I am aware people in this thread are not specifically saying that Charles will be a bust... but if you truly believe Jones is the starter... and hasnt lost his game.. where do you draft him?

My take on CharlesI was jumped on pretty hard for comparing Charles to Norwood, but I stand by it. Again, I'm excited to see him in preseason, and I could change my mind on him.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

To address rizzler's specific questions:

- I think Charles is far more valuable than Jones...and I don't know of anyone who believes otherwise. Some may view Jones as a better value given his ADP, but that's a different question.

- I haven't seen/heard anyone say they would draft Jones first, so not sure where that's coming from.

- I would gladly draft Charles near the end of the third. He won't be there, though.

Most value Charles over TJ... but some don't.An example of a prominent person who doesn't: Mark Wimer. He has TJ as RB25 and Charles as RB33.

Interesting.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

funny how i prefaced my statement w/ call it pre,ature and it's a small sample size... yet im still dug for it

and ppl did -- so what are you complaining about?

 

[shader]

Yeah last night scared me for Thomas Jones. I've been working the numbers, and based on what I saw, and my incredible math skills, I think Thomas Jones is going to have 32 carries for 32 yards this year. Sorry to the suckers that drafted him!

 

[The Jacket]

To address rizzler's specific questions:

- I think Charles is far more valuable than Jones...and I don't know of anyone who believes otherwise. Some may view Jones as a better value given his ADP, but that's a different question.

- I haven't seen/heard anyone say they would draft Jones first, so not sure where that's coming from.

- I would gladly draft Charles near the end of the third. He won't be there, though.

Most value Charles over TJ... but some don't.An example of a prominent person who doesn't: Mark Wimer. He has TJ as RB25 and Charles as RB33.

Interesting.

That's one word for it. And not the most accurate one.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Thomas Jones seems likely to end his career like Eddie George did. The dropoff will be sudden, once his legs go then he'll be unable to break a tackle. George and Jones both kept themselves in terrific shape, but you can't fight Father Time.

 

[LawFitz]

This is admittedly a far from perfect comparison, but...

This situation is giving me flashbacks to last season's debate over whether Mike Bell would affect Pierre Thomas' value.

IMO Jamaal Chuck will get 35-45% of the RB touches tops, which with his talent, will give him some nice stat lines over the season. But all of you who have already written off Thomas Jones and don't think he'll vulture stats are kidding yourselves.

Add to that the presence of a very similar player in McCluster and you have a three-headed boom/bust nightmare each week. I see Jamaal having a few big games, a decent number of mediocre games and a few kill your team performances this year.

All that said, his upside in case of injury to either of the other two is high enough where you can't let him slip past about rd 4, which is right where he went in my draft last week.

 

[Warpig]

I watched the game last night with some friends here in KC. I just wanna throw my thoughts out there on some of the things already mentioned in here:

Thomas Jones reminded me of Jamal Lewis in his last couple of years in the league. Cover the ball, hit the line and lean forward for a yard or two. It's gonna be a whole new world running behind that crappy Chiefs o-line as compared to the Jets O-line. I also have zero faith in Todd Haley to do the right thing. He's more concerned with playing head games with his players than he is getting the best players on the field. In reality, TJ should be no more than a short yardage specialist. However, I wouldn't doubt it if Haley keeps him in the game averaging 1.3 yds per carry because he's impressed with TJ's biceps.

I liked what I saw from McCluster. He is gonna be a playmaker. The one thing that concerned me with McCluster is when he got hit...he always bounced off the guy and went backwards. He's just so small. I can see an injury riddled future for him. For that reason alone I think KC will have to limit his reps. Just my opinion though. I see him lining up mostly in the slot but he'll get a few carried to give JC a break.

Jamaal Charles proved to me that he should be the beast of burden in the backfield. Like McCluster, he is a playmaker...and he's atleast 20 - 30 lbs heavier than Dex (they said Dex is 5'7", 170 lbs). With that O-line, they are gonna have to incorporate JC and Dex in plays to get them to the outside or gimmick plays.

The Chiefs defense is pathetic. Zero playmakers. 'Nuff said. Did Berry even play?

As far as the reason why Ray Rice didn't play last night...it's because the Ravens are showcasing McGahee to see if they can trade him and they wanted to see if Leron McLain still had what it took to be a solid backup RB if they need him to. Ray Rice will be the bellcow there.

 

[LBH]

I watched the game last night with some friends here in KC. I just wanna throw my thoughts out there on some of the things already mentioned in here:Thomas Jones reminded me of Jamal Lewis in his last couple of years in the league. Cover the ball, hit the line and lean forward for a yard or two. It's gonna be a whole new world running behind that crappy Chiefs o-line as compared to the Jets O-line. I also have zero faith in Todd Haley to do the right thing. He's more concerned with playing head games with his players than he is getting the best players on the field. In reality, TJ should be no more than a short yardage specialist. However, I wouldn't doubt it if Haley keeps him in the game averaging 1.3 yds per carry because he's impressed with TJ's biceps.I liked what I saw from McCluster. He is gonna be a playmaker. The one thing that concerned me with McCluster is when he got hit...he always bounced off the guy and went backwards. He's just so small. I can see an injury riddled future for him. For that reason alone I think KC will have to limit his reps. Just my opinion though. I see him lining up mostly in the slot but he'll get a few carried to give JC a break.Jamaal Charles proved to me that he should be the beast of burden in the backfield. Like McCluster, he is a playmaker...and he's atleast 20 - 30 lbs heavier than Dex (they said Dex is 5'7", 170 lbs). With that O-line, they are gonna have to incorporate JC and Dex in plays to get them to the outside or gimmick plays.The Chiefs defense is pathetic. Zero playmakers. 'Nuff said. Did Berry even play?As far as the reason why Ray Rice didn't play last night...it's because the Ravens are showcasing McGahee to see if they can trade him and they wanted to see if Leron McLain still had what it took to be a solid backup RB if they need him to. Ray Rice will be the bellcow there.

exactly my thoughts from not watching the game

 

[BeTheMatch]

Jamaal Chuck

Terrible

 

[Casting Couch]

Jamaal Chuck

Terrible

That is pretty bad.BTW, has Edgerrin Jimmy officially retired yet ?

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I watched the game last night with some friends here in KC. I just wanna throw my thoughts out there on some of the things already mentioned in here:Thomas Jones reminded me of Jamal Lewis in his last couple of years in the league. Cover the ball, hit the line and lean forward for a yard or two. It's gonna be a whole new world running behind that crappy Chiefs o-line as compared to the Jets O-line. I also have zero faith in Todd Haley to do the right thing. He's more concerned with playing head games with his players than he is getting the best players on the field. In reality, TJ should be no more than a short yardage specialist. However, I wouldn't doubt it if Haley keeps him in the game averaging 1.3 yds per carry because he's impressed with TJ's biceps.I liked what I saw from McCluster. He is gonna be a playmaker. The one thing that concerned me with McCluster is when he got hit...he always bounced off the guy and went backwards. He's just so small. I can see an injury riddled future for him. For that reason alone I think KC will have to limit his reps. Just my opinion though. I see him lining up mostly in the slot but he'll get a few carried to give JC a break.Jamaal Charles proved to me that he should be the beast of burden in the backfield. Like McCluster, he is a playmaker...and he's atleast 20 - 30 lbs heavier than Dex (they said Dex is 5'7", 170 lbs). With that O-line, they are gonna have to incorporate JC and Dex in plays to get them to the outside or gimmick plays.The Chiefs defense is pathetic. Zero playmakers. 'Nuff said. Did Berry even play?As far as the reason why Ray Rice didn't play last night...it's because the Ravens are showcasing McGahee to see if they can trade him and they wanted to see if Leron McLain still had what it took to be a solid backup RB if they need him to. Ray Rice will be the bellcow there.

Wow. Can't believe there is a Chiefs fan out there other than me that thinks they are not a playoff team this year. I did not watch the game last night. Couldn't get it here in Saint Louis. I have the Chiefs as a 6 or 7 game winner on the optimistic side. I would be ok with 6 wins as a sign of progress. The switch to the 3-4 is going to be long and paiful considering they probably only have one LB that would start on any other NFL team in Hali. I think everyone should temper their expectations on JC and all the Chiefs RBs. I think the D will again be onthe field a ton since they can't stop anyone. The O will be throwing again alot in the 2nd half of most games. Cassel will not convert many 3rd down ops. Who knows? Maybe that will lead to alot of JC garbage time rushing yardage and receptions. I think that is the only way Jc lives up to his ADP.I really hope I am wrong. I didn't like the Cassel pickup when it happened and still don't.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Thomas Jones seems likely to end his career like Eddie George did. The dropoff will be sudden, once his legs go then he'll be unable to break a tackle.

He didn't break any tackles last season. I don't know where to get yards-after-contact stats, but Jones had to be tied with LT at the bottom of the league.ETA: Also, I'm not sure why a guy who can't break a tackle would be the short-yardage back.

 

[-jb-]

So, I finally got a chance to watch this game. Charles has some speed, no question. Too small a sample to see what Jones has left. One thing I did notice, though, that might help keep Jones on the field...and I will also preface this by stating the small sample size, but Charles didn't throw any blocks. Not one. He either got the ball in the backfield, or ran a route. Thoughts on this?

 

[rizzler]

So, I finally got a chance to watch this game. Charles has some speed, no question. Too small a sample to see what Jones has left. One thing I did notice, though, that might help keep Jones on the field...and I will also preface this by stating the small sample size, but Charles didn't throw any blocks. Not one. He either got the ball in the backfield, or ran a route. Thoughts on this?

Thinking back to last year I dont ever recall him throwing any blocks either... not that I was paying close attention to it, but I dont recall it.he must be learning from the o-line lol (bad joke)... to be honest I dont think he is expected to throw blocks. his game is speed and elusiveness... hes a small framed RB. he wont slow guys down enough to risk the injury I would assume.I guess thatd be a positive for jones.. he is a beefy dude

 

[Gopher State]

Chiefs | Thomas Jones injured?

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Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:47:14 -0400

Kansas City Chiefs RB Thomas Jones (undisclosed), according to the Chiefs' broadcast crew, suffered an injury Saturday, Aug. 14, reports Kent Babb, of The Kansas City Star.

Maybe why Jones only got two carries?

 

[zamboni]

Chiefs | Thomas Jones injured? Comment (0) Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:47:14 -0400Kansas City Chiefs RB Thomas Jones (undisclosed), according to the Chiefs' broadcast crew, suffered an injury Saturday, Aug. 14, reports Kent Babb, of The Kansas City Star. Maybe why Jones only got two carries?

Yes - as documented in (I believe) the Jamaal Charles thread, Jones suffered a stinger - probably the reason he only got two carries.As for the Charles/Jones comparison, way too early to be burying Jones.

 

[kupcho1]

IMO Jamaal Chuck {snip}

I prefer Charles in Charge. I can't believe no one else came up with that before me. It's like you guys aren't even trying.

 

[Clifford]

that is embarrassing....

 

[Joe Bryant]

Yep, two carries settles it. Case closed.

He said it was just a couple of carries in his post. Please do less of this type of posting and more real football talk. TIA.J

 

[Clifford]

Regardless of who starts the year, after watching Charles in that game I don't see how he doesn't end up a very productive RB2. If you can get him in the third I think it will pay out.

 

[MongoL3]

Chiefs | Thomas Jones injured? Comment (0) Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:47:14 -0400Kansas City Chiefs RB Thomas Jones (undisclosed), according to the Chiefs' broadcast crew, suffered an injury Saturday, Aug. 14, reports Kent Babb, of The Kansas City Star. Maybe why Jones only got two carries?

Yes - as documented in (I believe) the Jamaal Charles thread, Jones suffered a stinger - probably the reason he only got two carries.As for the Charles/Jones comparison, way too early to be burying Jones.

I actually buried Jones last year in the playoffs when the Jets had to turn to a rookie to get it done....