Keeper Help (1 Viewer)

[wlwiles]

12 team standard league, start QRRWWTFKD, we can keep two players, I have pick 1.03.  Gurley/DJ/Zeke/Kamara/Hunt will be kept, and Brown/Bell will almost assuredly go 1.01 and 1.02. 

My keeper options: 

• Dalvin Cook - 3rd round
  
• Kenyan Drake - last round
  
• Alex Collins - last round
  
• Carson Wentz - last round
  
• Jimmy Garoppolo - last round
  

Barring any injury setbacks or preseason shenanigans, I'm keeping Cook at the end of the 3rd.  Trying to decide on my second keeper among the rest.  My thoughts: 

• Drake - is he really going to get the workload this year, or was his scoring last year really skewed by a couple of big plays?  I see RB15 ceiling, or he's cuttable if Ballage takes over. 
  
• Collins - ranked lower than Drake in ADP for a reason, but workload looks to be there.  I see a ceiling of RB20 but a floor of RB30
  
• Wentz/Garoppolo - I know QB is crazy deep, but in a start 1 QB league, how awesome would it be to enter the draft with a top 10 QB in the last round and just completely ignore QB for the entire draft?  Is Wentz going to be ready to roll?  Is the Jimmy G hype too much? 
  

Any input is appreciated - tell me I'm wrong on any of these guys, please! 

 

[snoochieboochies]

Drake > Wentz > Jimmy > Collins 

I don't trust the ravens to make the right choice at RB anymore. Wentz and his experience and supporting cast is better than Jimmy Gs, even if Jimmy is a better long term prospect. Drake is only higher than Wentz because the difference between QBs is less than the difference between RBs. The potential for a high end RB at that value is worth the risk. 

 

[Gally]

Drake > Wentz > Jimmy > Collins 

I don't trust the ravens to make the right choice at RB anymore. Wentz and his experience and supporting cast is better than Jimmy Gs, even if Jimmy is a better long term prospect. Drake is only higher than Wentz because the difference between QBs is less than the difference between RBs. The potential for a high end RB at that value is worth the risk. 

But you trust Miami and Drake?  

I would go with Collins=Drake>JimmyG>Wentz

I flip a coin between Collins and Drake based on how camps are going and how things look to be shaping up.  As for the QB's I think Wentz isn't as fantasy friendly as he showed last year and will come back down a bit.  I think JimmyG is for real and think he will be a top 12ish QB.

 

[snoochieboochies]

But you trust Miami and Drake?  

I would go with Collins=Drake>JimmyG>Wentz

I flip a coin between Collins and Drake based on how camps are going and how things look to be shaping up.  As for the QB's I think Wentz isn't as fantasy friendly as he showed last year and will come back down a bit.  I think JimmyG is for real and think he will be a top 12ish QB.

But you trust Miami and Drake?  - Only slightly more than the ravens. but enough to make me favor drake over collins (at this point). I agree that post preseason would be the best time to decide, the longer wlwiles can wait the better. 

I like that Wentz averaged around 20 points per game, and adding the points he could have had for the two games he missed that puts him QB2 overall in standard, just shy of R Wilson points. A Wentz regression is likely i agree, but i doubt he falls outside the top 10.  

 

[beerbuff]

I wouldn't keep Cook, especially if in the first round you think you may be able to grab him or Gordon, Fournette or Freeman. The value is simply not as great as the other guys. In the third round you'll still be able to get a really good player so giving up that third round pick really hurts. I would keep Collins and Drake if you think you can get one of those RB's and you'd start the year with a pretty solid group of RB's. Even if you went with a high WR in the first you can probably get a good RB in the 2nd, i.e. CMac, Mixon, Howard or McKinnon and then a solid WR or top 3 TE in the third. When you consider whom you'll be giving up in the third in order to keep Cook it doesn't look appealing to keep him.

 

[ZWK]

Drake or Collins. They're going at least a couple rounds ahead of the QBs in redraft, for good reason.

 

[Gally]

I wouldn't keep Cook, especially if in the first round you think you may be able to grab him or Gordon, Fournette or Freeman. The value is simply not as great as the other guys. In the third round you'll still be able to get a really good player so giving up that third round pick really hurts. I would keep Collins and Drake if you think you can get one of those RB's and you'd start the year with a pretty solid group of RB's. Even if you went with a high WR in the first you can probably get a good RB in the 2nd, i.e. CMac, Mixon, Howard or McKinnon and then a solid WR or top 3 TE in the third. When you consider whom you'll be giving up in the third in order to keep Cook it doesn't look appealing to keep him.

Why not keep Cook in the 3rd round if you are saying you could grab Cook, Gordon, Fournette or Freeman in the first round?  Wouldn't it make sense to keep Cook in the 3rd round and then draft one of those other RB's in the first round too? 

I would love to draft Cook in the 3rd round in any draft so that is good value for him at that spot.  I don't understand why you think keeping Cook in the 3rd round hurts when you are also saying to take him in the first round. 

 

[beerbuff]

Why not keep Cook in the 3rd round if you are saying you could grab Cook, Gordon, Fournette or Freeman in the first round?  Wouldn't it make sense to keep Cook in the 3rd round and then draft one of those other RB's in the first round too? 

I would love to draft Cook in the 3rd round in any draft so that is good value for him at that spot.  I don't understand why you think keeping Cook in the 3rd round hurts when you are also saying to take him in the first round. 

My thinking is by keeping the 2 RB's with late round picks that is a lot more value than Cook in the 3rd. By keeping Cook in the 3rd you have a huge gap between the 2nd round and 4th round where there are still a lot of good players available.  With Drake and Collins and a high RB (in the 1st or 2nd) his team will be much stronger when combined with presumably 2 high WR's or a WR and a top TE.  Having that 3rd round pick gives you a lot of extra flexibility with managing your draft.

His way after round 3 you probably have 2 RB1's, a RB2 and a WR1, My way you have a RB 1, 2 RB2's, 1 WR1 and 1 WR2 or elite TE.

 

[Gally]

My thinking is by keeping the 2 RB's with late round picks that is a lot more value than Cook in the 3rd. By keeping Cook in the 3rd you have a huge gap between the 2nd round and 4th round where there are still a lot of good players available.  With Drake and Collins and a high RB (in the 1st or 2nd) his team will be much stronger when combined with presumably 2 high WR's or a WR and a top TE.  Having that 3rd round pick gives you a lot of extra flexibility with managing your draft.

His way after round 3 you probably have 2 RB1's, a RB2 and a WR1, My way you have a RB 1, 2 RB2's, 1 WR1 and 1 WR2 or elite TE.

I can see your point.  I just don't have a lot of confidence that both Collins/Drake are RB2's by the end.  I would rather pick the one I think is most likely and then get the RB1 secured in the third round.  If you are high on both Collins & Drake then I think your approach makes a lot of sense. 

 

[beerbuff]

I can see your point.  I just don't have a lot of confidence that both Collins/Drake are RB2's by the end.  I would rather pick the one I think is most likely and then get the RB1 secured in the third round.  If you are high on both Collins & Drake then I think your approach makes a lot of sense. 

With the high percentage of RB turnover they could both be RB1's at year end also. Both had their moments last year and neither have much competition. I wouldn't bet on it but they could be. Wlwiles should run some mocks with whom he thinks will be keepers and use both scenarios and see if one or the other has an advantage over the other.