Keepers Info (1 Viewer)

[TheMontrealTitan]

Hi guys, we started a keeper system last year and I know there is a lot of variations on how this should be done.

The rule that interests me the most is the one regarding the draft choice that you lose the year after the player was drafted.

For now, we are losing the same choice, which means if I drafted Vince Young in the 19th, I lose a 19th this year.

If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.

For example: Travis Henry was undrafted last year and of course somebody picked him up and now will lose a 49th round choice for Travis Henry... That seems absurd to me. Same for Romo or Bernard Berrian from last year.

What do you guys do in that situation...????

Thanks a lot

 

[rdstorm]

Hi guys, we started a keeper system last year and I know there is a lot of variations on how this should be done. The rule that interests me the most is the one regarding the draft choice that you lose the year after the player was drafted.For now, we are losing the same choice, which means if I drafted Vince Young in the 19th, I lose a 19th this year.If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.For example: Travis Henry was undrafted last year and of course somebody picked him up and now will lose a 49th round choice for Travis Henry... That seems absurd to me. Same for Romo or Bernard Berrian from last year.What do you guys do in that situation...????Thanks a lot

I definitely think it's reasonable for someone that isn't drafted to cost a last round pick the next year. We have a similar deal as part of our keeper system. Any player can be kept for his draft round minus 4 in our league, so in your scenario with VY drafted in the 19th, he could be kept this year for a 15th. The cost keeps moving each year too, so the following year VY would cost an 11th, etc. These are all optional keepers.We also have 3 keepers that are not optional. You can look at them as costing nothing, or look at it as everyone giving up their top 3 picks. So once a player's draft compensation rose past round 4, the next year he could only be kept as one of these mandatory keepers.In our league, the keepers that cost draft compensation (the optional ones) were put in place specifically to reward owners for shrewd WW pickups and future-savvy drafting (i.e. drafting a player the year he breaks out, before his value goes way up).

 

[j3r3m3y]

In our league everyone keeps 3 so basically our draft round one is really round four.

Keeps things even and we don't have the absurd scenarios like the Henry situation you are facing.

 

[GoBears84]

In our league everyone keeps 3 so basically our draft round one is really round four.Keeps things even and we don't have the absurd scenarios like the Henry situation you are facing.

In a redraft league, we keep one, but only for an extra year to mix things up. Counts the same as your first round pick, since that's where they would normally be drafted.

 

[1huskerfan]

Hi guys, we started a keeper system last year and I know there is a lot of variations on how this should be done. The rule that interests me the most is the one regarding the draft choice that you lose the year after the player was drafted.For now, we are losing the same choice, which means if I drafted Vince Young in the 19th, I lose a 19th this year.If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.For example: Travis Henry was undrafted last year and of course somebody picked him up and now will lose a 49th round choice for Travis Henry... That seems absurd to me. Same for Romo or Bernard Berrian from last year.What do you guys do in that situation...????Thanks a lot

We are starting a salary cap league this year and only drafted players will be allowed to be kept with an increase in salary. This prevents the possibility of skewing the balance of power in the league for years to come just because the guy was lucky enough to pick up a guy off waivers.

 

[rdstorm]

Hi guys, we started a keeper system last year and I know there is a lot of variations on how this should be done. The rule that interests me the most is the one regarding the draft choice that you lose the year after the player was drafted.For now, we are losing the same choice, which means if I drafted Vince Young in the 19th, I lose a 19th this year.If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.For example: Travis Henry was undrafted last year and of course somebody picked him up and now will lose a 49th round choice for Travis Henry... That seems absurd to me. Same for Romo or Bernard Berrian from last year.What do you guys do in that situation...????Thanks a lot

We are starting a salary cap league this year and only drafted players will be allowed to be kept with an increase in salary. This prevents the possibility of skewing the balance of power in the league for years to come just because the guy was lucky enough to pick up a guy off waivers.

Um...That's not lucky, dude. There are players like that out there every year. Mining the WW is a skill, and there is nothing wrong with rewarding those who take the time to do it. It actually promotes involvement in the league, and if you have them, it drives up transaction fees.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

After a fixed first round (based on previous year's standings), for rounds 2-7, we can keep up to 6 players from the year before, sacrificing a draft pick for each player you decide to keep. So if you want to keep the full 6, you don't pick again until round 8, but if you only want to keep 3 players and everone else keeps at least 5, you'll basically get the next two picks after the first round.

I really like it because you're rewarded for building a good nucleus, and also you're not forced to keep mediocre players that happen to fall into your top 6.

We also don't announce our keepers until 15 minutes before the start of the draft, so the intrigue and scambling of draft boards is pretty cool.

 

[turnit643]

We use a limited keeper/contract set-up ... each team gets three optional contract years to hand out to any players they wish (all three years to one guy, three guys for one year each, keep nobody, etc.) The contract players replace your top picks in the draft so there's a bit of jockeying and guessing before contract are announced. Once a contract runs out, the player must return to the draft pool, so we have a constant staggered turnover which is also fun to watch who will be coming available each year. 16 teams, usually about a total of 15-20 keepers each year.

 

[1huskerfan]

Hi guys, we started a keeper system last year and I know there is a lot of variations on how this should be done. The rule that interests me the most is the one regarding the draft choice that you lose the year after the player was drafted.For now, we are losing the same choice, which means if I drafted Vince Young in the 19th, I lose a 19th this year.If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.For example: Travis Henry was undrafted last year and of course somebody picked him up and now will lose a 49th round choice for Travis Henry... That seems absurd to me. Same for Romo or Bernard Berrian from last year.What do you guys do in that situation...????Thanks a lot

We are starting a salary cap league this year and only drafted players will be allowed to be kept with an increase in salary. This prevents the possibility of skewing the balance of power in the league for years to come just because the guy was lucky enough to pick up a guy off waivers.

I guess it all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. In past years, we have always redrafted and not charged transaction fees, and there are guys who make 10+ add/drops/week, so in our prior system, there was not a whole lot of skill involved. Another thing to consider is how often in real sports is a guy picked up off of waivers and signed to multiyear contract? I have no problem allowing the guy to be a RFA (of which we are allowing 2/team on top of the 3 keepers).Um...That's not lucky, dude. There are players like that out there every year. Mining the WW is a skill, and there is nothing wrong with rewarding those who take the time to do it. It actually promotes involvement in the league, and if you have them, it drives up transaction fees.

 

[rdstorm]

I guess it all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. In past years, we have always redrafted and not charged transaction fees, and there are guys who make 10+ add/drops/week, so in our prior system, there was not a whole lot of skill involved. Another thing to consider is how often in real sports is a guy picked up off of waivers and signed to multiyear contract? I have no problem allowing the guy to be a RFA (of which we are allowing 2/team on top of the 3 keepers).

I'm not sure what your point here is. Fantasy football is not supposed to be "real sports"; it never could be. So I could answer your question of how often in real sports is a guy picked up off waivers and signed to multiyear contract? with questions like:How often in real sports is a team drafted using multiple players from multiple teams?or, even better, How often in real sports is a team disbanded every year and the owner forced to recreate the whole team from the ground up?So I don't get the argument that so many people use, about why certain rules should or should not be used, based on the fact that it's not that way in the "real sport". That's why they call it "fantasy" football. Those who think it is anything like the real sport are simply delusional.On the other topic, whether you have 1 transaction/week or 10, it isn't luck when you decide which ones to stick with on your roster and it works. The number of transactions in a week don't mean much, because your roster size stays the same, and if they all happen within a week then you haven't really seen any games with the ones you pick up and then drop. What matters is the ones you have on your roster at the end of the week, so no matter how much you churn through your pickups, the ones you keep at the end of the week are not "luck".

 

[TheMontrealTitan]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the info...

 

[ukshane]

Hi guys, we started a keeper system last year and I know there is a lot of variations on how this should be done. The rule that interests me the most is the one regarding the draft choice that you lose the year after the player was drafted.For now, we are losing the same choice, which means if I drafted Vince Young in the 19th, I lose a 19th this year.If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.For example: Travis Henry was undrafted last year and of course somebody picked him up and now will lose a 49th round choice for Travis Henry... That seems absurd to me. Same for Romo or Bernard Berrian from last year.What do you guys do in that situation...????Thanks a lot

We are starting a salary cap league this year and only drafted players will be allowed to be kept with an increase in salary. This prevents the possibility of skewing the balance of power in the league for years to come just because the guy was lucky enough to pick up a guy off waivers.

Um...That's not lucky, dude. There are players like that out there every year. Mining the WW is a skill, and there is nothing wrong with rewarding those who take the time to do it. It actually promotes involvement in the league, and if you have them, it drives up transaction fees.

We have an auction keeper league and don't allow undrafted players to be kept for two reasons.1. There is no baseline price for those players since they weren't auctioned; and2. If they weren't good enough to be drafted they probably won't be kept anyway.Every year their are exceptions like Colston and Romo but this system works well for us.

 

[AcerFC]

No one in Rounds 1-5 is eligible to be kept. We start our Keeper players in Rounds 6-22. You can then keep up to two players that you drafted in Rds 6-22, and lose those draft picks in the upcoming draft. However, if you keep 2, then you lose your 3rd round pick as well.

I commish this league and the reason I set it up that way is so that there will always be players available to new teams that come in.

It makes it very difficult to decide to keep 2 because of losing that 3rd rounder. I have Benson and Maroney. Keepers must be declared August 1st. I have no idea what I want to do. I would lose a 3rd, 6th and 7th (although I traded for a 7th last year to protect myself).

As far as free agents, we did not have a rule in place last year, however starting this year any player picked up THAT WAS NOT DRAFTED is eligible to be kept for a 15th round pick. Only 1 free agent can be kept. If you draft a player and then drop him then he is not eligible to ever be kept. This stops the dropping LT and then picking him back up fiasco.

Good luck. I love Keepers, especially when top talent is still available every year.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.

You have 49-player rosters and still guys like Henry and Romo weren't drafted?I would think you would be drafting AFL2 and Div. 3 players by Round 42, even if you have IDP.

 

[Sweat Hog]

If a player was drafted as a free agent, we lose the last choice in the draft (we have a 49 players roster), this year we lose only a 49th.

You have 49-player rosters and still guys like Henry and Romo weren't drafted?I would think you would be drafting AFL2 and Div. 3 players by Round 42, even if you have IDP.

Only 2 teams in the league. They always remember who finished second.

 

[Knights Football]

We have an auction league where the amount of auction cash you have to spend depends on the number of players that you keep. You have to keep 2 players and the max you can keep is 5.

2 players = $120 for the auction

3 players = $100 for the auction

4 players = $65 for the auction

5 players = $30 for the auction

It has worked well for us. We used to be a keeper league that just kept 3 every year. When we switched to the auction format we went with this set up as a balance between a group arguing for fewer keepers and a group arguing for more keepers. This way if you have guys you like after the 1st three you can keep them but keeping a 4th or 5th player is expensive so it prevents it from happening too often.

 

[steinre1]

I am in a league that is kind of like a cross between a keeper and dynasty league:

- You may protect as many players as you like

- You lose the round pick the player was drafted

- Each year, you must subtract 1 round from each player. So a player drafted in the 8th would cost you a 7th next year and then a 6th and so on.

- We let owners "franchise" 4 players each year. Franchised player still forfeit a pick, but they do not have 1 subtracted from their round. So if you franchised your 8th round pick (see above), then it would cost you only an 8th, not a 7th.

- Going by these rules if you wanted to protect a 1st round pick, they would have to be franchised since that is the lowest round.

Obviously, if you want more turnover in the league, you could eliminate franchise players or do less than 4. We like this system because it is very realistic. Each year you get to keep your main core of players, but you typically lose 1 or 2 top guys do to a number crunch - very much like teams in real life.

 

[LurkMaster]

We can keep 1 player in our league.

Keeper must have been drafted the previous season (waiver pickups are ineligible)
Player must have been on a roster all year (never dropped, then picked back up by someone...traded players are valid)
Must have been drafted after the 3rd round (keeps the draft fun by allowing studs to be available each year)15 round draft. ..and roughly you give up a pick 2 rounds earlier than they were drafted the year before. You can keep the same player over and over, but once their value is a 3rd round pick or better, you cant keep them again.

Glad I drafted Brandon Jacobs in the 14th round last year..woooo.

 

[Sid]

We keep as many as we choose, with a minimum of 1. Every keeper kept will cost you a pick from 2 rounds prior to when he was drafted the prior year. For example, Gore was drafted in the 3rd last year, I'm keeping him with my 1.11 pick. Also, Colston was drafted in the 16th last year, so I'm keeping him by losing my 14th round pick..

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

In our league everyone keeps 3 so basically our draft round one is really round four.Keeps things even and we don't have the absurd scenarios like the Henry situation you are facing.

We do the dame exact thing for scenarios just like the Henry situation. I never understood why so many leagues would use a system where they can keep a player and then lose a DP based on his draft position. Yes it can reward good drafting, but more times then not I bet it rewards teams who were losing and were lucky enough to pick someone up in waivers.

 

[lebowski]

I started a keeper league a couple of years ago and I decided I did not want people to be able to keep people forever. I saw this system posted here a couple of years ago and I thought it was a great idea so I'm going to post it again. You could modify the points if you draft more or less rounds and it also brings some interesting strategy into keepers. The biggest drawback is the amount of paperwork for the commish.

You can keep as many people that you ORIGINALLY DRAFTED as you want as long as you don’t exceed 34 points. YOU CANNOT KEEP PLAYERS IF YOU DROPPED THEM DURING THE SEASON. The points are figured out as follows…

Rd. Points

1 18

2 17

3 16

4 15

5 14

6 13

7 12

8 11

9 10

10 9

11 8

12 7

13 6

14 5

15 4

16 3

17 2

18 1

So for example… you could keep 1st round and 4th round (18+15=33) or you could keep 2nd, 9th and 13th (17+10+6=33). Next year if you want to keep the player another year 5 points is added to their value each year. For example, if you drafted Deshaun Foster in the 7th round, he counts as 12 points this year toward the 34. Assuming your want to keep Foster next year he will cost 12+5 or 17 points, the year after that 12+10 or 22 points. If you wanted to keep Foster (7th round) and Alexander (1st round) it will cost you 18+12=30pts, so you can do that. Next year those two players would cost him 23 + 17=40 points…so he could not keep both players and one would have to be let go next year.