Kelvin Benjamin - WR - FSU [UPDATE PAGE 1, 7/3] (2 Viewers)

[cstu]

Cam threw 24 TDs last year. Where do they go this year?

The top 3 WR's who left (Smith, LaFell and Ginn) accounted for only 10 of those. I suspect Benjamin and the next two WR's can get at least that many this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Cam threw 24 TDs last year. Where do they go this year?

The top 3 WR's who left (Smith, LaFell and Ginn) accounted for only 10 of those. I suspect Benjamin and the next two WR's can get at least that many this year.

I agree, how many go KB's way? Enough to outperform his ADP?

 

[cstu]

Cam threw 24 TDs last year. Where do they go this year?

The top 3 WR's who left (Smith, LaFell and Ginn) accounted for only 10 of those. I suspect Benjamin and the next two WR's can get at least that many this year.

I agree, how many go KB's way? Enough to outperform his ADP?

At WR46? Absolutely.

I think he can get 50/750/8 this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Cam threw 24 TDs last year. Where do they go this year?

The top 3 WR's who left (Smith, LaFell and Ginn) accounted for only 10 of those. I suspect Benjamin and the next two WR's can get at least that many this year.

I agree, how many go KB's way? Enough to outperform his ADP?

At WR46? Absolutely.

I think he can get 50/750/8 this year.

I hope you are a genius because I feel like we are on the same page on nearly every player we discuss.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I love Avant as a person and a teammate but he has no upside.

Wait, what?

 

[Greggity]

Cam threw 24 TDs last year. Where do they go this year?

The top 3 WR's who left (Smith, LaFell and Ginn) accounted for only 10 of those. I suspect Benjamin and the next two WR's can get at least that many this year.

I agree, how many go KB's way? Enough to outperform his ADP?

At WR46? Absolutely.

I think he can get 50/750/8 this year.

I am thinking 80/1000/10

 

[NCCommish]

Cam threw 24 TDs last year. Where do they go this year?

The top 3 WR's who left (Smith, LaFell and Ginn) accounted for only 10 of those. I suspect Benjamin and the next two WR's can get at least that many this year.

I agree, how many go KB's way? Enough to outperform his ADP?

At WR46? Absolutely.

I think he can get 50/750/8 this year.

I am thinking 80/1000/10

This is actually about where I am. It sounds high but it is 5 catches a game for 62.5 yards and .6 TDs a game. I think it is doable given the targets I expect him to get.

And of course those numbers are no where near record level. Boldin has the rookie catch record with 101. Moss has the rookie TD record at 17. And Groman owns the rookie yardage record with 1400+ yards.

Heck even Collingsworth got over 1000 yards in his rookie season.

 

[False Start]

Cam threw 24 TDs last year. Where do they go this year?

The top 3 WR's who left (Smith, LaFell and Ginn) accounted for only 10 of those. I suspect Benjamin and the next two WR's can get at least that many this year.

I agree, how many go KB's way? Enough to outperform his ADP?

At WR46? Absolutely.

I think he can get 50/750/8 this year.

I am thinking 80/1000/10

With the chemistry that he and Cam have, the fact that he is a #1 WR with little competition for targets with the potential he has shown through 2 games of preseason against NFL defenses, how can someone with knowledge of this game look at him as not a huge asset? Preseason doesn't mean anything to us, but it matters to players. Cam and the coaches have unbelievable confidence int his kid and his work says he deserves that confidence.

75-80/1000-1100/8-10 is a real real possibility that looks more likely every time you see or hear something in regards to him.

 

[zamboni]

I also like Benjamin this year, but some big numbers being thrown around when you consider that Keenan Allen's 71-1046-8 last year ranks among the top rookie WR performances in history.

 

[amnesiac]

yeah i think Benjamin is great value even where you can still get him towards the end of the first round in rookie drafts, but the expectations are getting a bit high.

not saying he can't do it, and he'll likely have a very good rookie season, but 1,000 yards and 10 TDs are big numbers for a rookie.

 

[Insein]

I love Avant as a person and a teammate but he has no upside.

Wait, what?

He's one of the few genuine good guys on sports. Was a great guy here in Philly. But he's been in the league 9 years. So really no upside.

 

[False Start]

I also like Benjamin this year, but some big numbers being thrown around when you consider that Keenan Allen's 71-1046-8 last year ranks among the top rookie WR performances in history.

Nothing I hate more than comparing other players in other situations. The reason rookies have not performed in the past is maybe they have not been as huge part of the offense, maybe their QB sucked, maybe they were no good. Each situation is different, comparing Benjamins upcoming season tot hat of another rookie is not even needed. He is a #1 NFL WR, that is how I will grade him. He being a rookie has nothing to do with how I look at him. I also didnt view Lacy as a rookie, I viewed him as a #1 every down back on a highly productive team in the NFL. Thats how people get the jump, they dont evaluate a player based of previous players who have nothing to do with his situations past seasons.

 

[Quez]

I think 1000 yards is doable after seeing Carolina target him deep a few times in the 1st 2 preseason games.

 

[zamboni]

I also like Benjamin this year, but some big numbers being thrown around when you consider that Keenan Allen's 71-1046-8 last year ranks among the top rookie WR performances in history.

Nothing I hate more than comparing other players in other situations. The reason rookies have not performed in the past is maybe they have not been as huge part of the offense, maybe their QB sucked, maybe they were no good. Each situation is different, comparing Benjamins upcoming season tot hat of another rookie is not even needed. He is a #1 NFL WR, that is how I will grade him. He being a rookie has nothing to do with how I look at him. I also didnt view Lacy as a rookie, I viewed him as a #1 every down back on a highly productive team in the NFL. Thats how people get the jump, they dont evaluate a player based of previous players who have nothing to do with his situations past seasons.

WR is one of the toughest positions for a rookie to come in and dominate. That is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - reasons why we've such few dominant performances by rookie WRs, irrespective of situation. So while not every situation is the same, the fact remains that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been dominant the first year.

 

[(HULK)]

I also like Benjamin this year, but some big numbers being thrown around when you consider that Keenan Allen's 71-1046-8 last year ranks among the top rookie WR performances in history.

Nothing I hate more than comparing other players in other situations. The reason rookies have not performed in the past is maybe they have not been as huge part of the offense, maybe their QB sucked, maybe they were no good. Each situation is different, comparing Benjamins upcoming season tot hat of another rookie is not even needed. He is a #1 NFL WR, that is how I will grade him. He being a rookie has nothing to do with how I look at him. I also didnt view Lacy as a rookie, I viewed him as a #1 every down back on a highly productive team in the NFL. Thats how people get the jump, they dont evaluate a player based of previous players who have nothing to do with his situations past seasons.

WR is one of the toughest positions for a rookie to come in and dominate. That is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - reasons why we've such few dominant performances by rookie WRs, irrespective of situation. So while not every situation is the same, the fact remains that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been dominant the first year.

While I don't disagree with this, you could also say that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been their teams #1 target their first year.

Its clear that the opportunity is there. While I don't expect him to do as much with it as a polished vet w/ his skills could, I'm still expecting he'll do okay. His floor is like WR 30 imo. Upside is probably realisticly like WR14 or so.

He's being grossly undervalued at the moment.

 

[zamboni]

I also like Benjamin this year, but some big numbers being thrown around when you consider that Keenan Allen's 71-1046-8 last year ranks among the top rookie WR performances in history.

Nothing I hate more than comparing other players in other situations. The reason rookies have not performed in the past is maybe they have not been as huge part of the offense, maybe their QB sucked, maybe they were no good. Each situation is different, comparing Benjamins upcoming season tot hat of another rookie is not even needed. He is a #1 NFL WR, that is how I will grade him. He being a rookie has nothing to do with how I look at him. I also didnt view Lacy as a rookie, I viewed him as a #1 every down back on a highly productive team in the NFL. Thats how people get the jump, they dont evaluate a player based of previous players who have nothing to do with his situations past seasons.

WR is one of the toughest positions for a rookie to come in and dominate. That is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - reasons why we've such few dominant performances by rookie WRs, irrespective of situation. So while not every situation is the same, the fact remains that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been dominant the first year.

While I don't disagree with this, you could also say that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been their teams #1 target their first year.

Its clear that the opportunity is there. While I don't expect him to do as much with it as a polished vet w/ his skills could, I'm still expecting he'll do okay. His floor is like WR 30 imo. Upside is probably realisticly like WR14 or so.

He's being grossly undervalued at the moment.

That I'm not so sure about - would probably require some investigation.

 

[stbugs]

I also like Benjamin this year, but some big numbers being thrown around when you consider that Keenan Allen's 71-1046-8 last year ranks among the top rookie WR performances in history.

Nothing I hate more than comparing other players in other situations. The reason rookies have not performed in the past is maybe they have not been as huge part of the offense, maybe their QB sucked, maybe they were no good. Each situation is different, comparing Benjamins upcoming season tot hat of another rookie is not even needed. He is a #1 NFL WR, that is how I will grade him. He being a rookie has nothing to do with how I look at him. I also didnt view Lacy as a rookie, I viewed him as a #1 every down back on a highly productive team in the NFL. Thats how people get the jump, they dont evaluate a player based of previous players who have nothing to do with his situations past seasons.

WR is one of the toughest positions for a rookie to come in and dominate. That is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - reasons why we've such few dominant performances by rookie WRs, irrespective of situation. So while not every situation is the same, the fact remains that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been dominant the first year.

While I don't disagree with this, you could also say that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been their teams #1 target their first year.

Its clear that the opportunity is there. While I don't expect him to do as much with it as a polished vet w/ his skills could, I'm still expecting he'll do okay. His floor is like WR 30 imo. Upside is probably realisticly like WR14 or so.

He's being grossly undervalued at the moment.

That I'm not so sure about - would probably require some investigation.

Just look at targets. I am a bit skeptical just because WR is a big adjustment for rookies, but I do agree with others that it plainly appears that the Panthers and Newton are clearly setting him up to be their #1 WR. I have seen nothing here that indicates anyone else on the team has any chance of unseating him barring injuries. I am not ready to project him at 1000 yards, but he is going to get enough red zone looks to make 8 TDs likely and I would be shocked if he doesn't have 100 targets if healthy. Given that, I do agree that he should easily be a WR3. I just don't know if he will get to WR2 this year.

 

[Banger]

I also like Benjamin this year, but some big numbers being thrown around when you consider that Keenan Allen's 71-1046-8 last year ranks among the top rookie WR performances in history.

Nothing I hate more than comparing other players in other situations. The reason rookies have not performed in the past is maybe they have not been as huge part of the offense, maybe their QB sucked, maybe they were no good. Each situation is different, comparing Benjamins upcoming season tot hat of another rookie is not even needed. He is a #1 NFL WR, that is how I will grade him. He being a rookie has nothing to do with how I look at him. I also didnt view Lacy as a rookie, I viewed him as a #1 every down back on a highly productive team in the NFL. Thats how people get the jump, they dont evaluate a player based of previous players who have nothing to do with his situations past seasons.

WR is one of the toughest positions for a rookie to come in and dominate. That is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - reasons why we've such few dominant performances by rookie WRs, irrespective of situation. So while not every situation is the same, the fact remains that there have been tons of rookie WRs over the years, and only a handful have been dominant the first year.

it is but the game is changing and these guys are being placed into roles and expected to contribute sooner than in the past. I think you have to view every situation independently and look at the talent, opportunity, system, competition/alternatives in the offense, etc..

 

[Insein]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

 

[(HULK)]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

 

[Insein]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

I counted 10. Boldin, Glenn, Clayton, Green, Bowe, Kevin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Keyshawn, Roy Williams and DJax.

 

[stbugs]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

Pretty sure Terry Glenn and Colston were. I don't recall if they were "set up" to be the #1 in pre-season like Benjamin has been, but in terms of the actual season, they were clearly the #1s. Same with Clayton and AJ Green. Again, I live in Charlotte, so for all I know these guys were also set up like Benjamin, but for all 4 of them, it was pretty clear that they were the #1 WR. I remember all the hype about Colston and drafted him knowing I got a steal. Same with Andre Johnson, I remember drafting him way later than Charles Rogers (kept both of those guys for years in my main keeper league) knowing I got another steal. Not sure about the rest and don't feel like looking them all up, but I am sure there were more that were clearly the QB's favorites. I think we recall Moss/Carter, Boldin/Fitz and Jones/White, but I think a fair number above were actually the primary targets, maybe not all season but definitely as the season went along.

 

[stbugs]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

I counted 10. Boldin, Glenn, Clayton, Green, Bowe, Kevin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Keyshawn, Roy Williams and DJax.

Man, how did I forget Boldin was the year before Fitz. You also need to add Colston, he was their clear #1 his rookie year and he actually got a lot of hype pre-season.

 

[Insein]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

Pretty sure Terry Glenn and Colston were. I don't recall if they were "set up" to be the #1 in pre-season like Benjamin has been, but in terms of the actual season, they were clearly the #1s. Same with Clayton and AJ Green. Again, I live in Charlotte, so for all I know these guys were also set up like Benjamin, but for all 4 of them, it was pretty clear that they were the #1 WR. I remember all the hype about Colston and drafted him knowing I got a steal. Same with Andre Johnson, I remember drafting him way later than Charles Rogers (kept both of those guys for years in my main keeper league) knowing I got another steal. Not sure about the rest and don't feel like looking them all up, but I am sure there were more that were clearly the QB's favorites. I think we recall Moss/Carter, Boldin/Fitz and Jones/White, but I think a fair number above were actually the primary targets, maybe not all season but definitely as the season went along.

Joe Horn was still there so no on Colston. Fitz was drafted in 2004.

 

[(HULK)]

I thought Boldin came out of nowhere though. Didn't he put up like 200+ yards in week1? But he wasn't necessarily the defacto #1 WR for his team at this point in the preseason, was he? If he was on people's radars that August, he definitely wasn't on mine.

Whatever the case may be, I think we can agree his floor is pretty decent. His ceiling is what is harder to estimate imo. But, the way things are at the moment, you can draft him AFTER the value of his floor, meaning that if he exceeds it at all, its all gravy.

 

[cstu]

I thought Boldin came out of nowhere though. Didn't he put up like 200+ yards in week1? But he wasn't necessarily the defacto #1 WR for his team at this point in the preseason, was he? If he was on people's radars that August, he definitely wasn't on mine.

Whatever the case may be, I think we can agree his floor is pretty decent. His ceiling is what is harder to estimate imo. But, the way things are at the moment, you can draft him AFTER the value of his floor, meaning that if he exceeds it at all, its all gravy.

Boldin did very little in the actual games but Cardinals fans were raving about him in practice.

If you're looking for this year's Boldin, I believe it's Jarvis Landry.

 

[Faust]

Kelvin Benjamin: 'I'm faster than they think'

http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/8067/panthers-benjamin-im-faster-than-they-think

 

[stbugs]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

Pretty sure Terry Glenn and Colston were. I don't recall if they were "set up" to be the #1 in pre-season like Benjamin has been, but in terms of the actual season, they were clearly the #1s. Same with Clayton and AJ Green. Again, I live in Charlotte, so for all I know these guys were also set up like Benjamin, but for all 4 of them, it was pretty clear that they were the #1 WR. I remember all the hype about Colston and drafted him knowing I got a steal. Same with Andre Johnson, I remember drafting him way later than Charles Rogers (kept both of those guys for years in my main keeper league) knowing I got another steal. Not sure about the rest and don't feel like looking them all up, but I am sure there were more that were clearly the QB's favorites. I think we recall Moss/Carter, Boldin/Fitz and Jones/White, but I think a fair number above were actually the primary targets, maybe not all season but definitely as the season went along.

Joe Horn was still there so no on Colston. Fitz was drafted in 2004.

Yeah, I caught the Fitz thing the post above yours, but you are incorrect on Colston. He got raves in the pre-season and lots of mentions in the Shark Pool, which is why I drafted him. Both guys were hurt a few games, but Colston had 70 receptions in 12 games with 8 TDs and Horn had 37 receptions in 10 games with 4 TDs. Horn's last year was the next year, but he started his decline in 2005 and Colston was definitely the #1 in 2006.

 

[Insein]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

Pretty sure Terry Glenn and Colston were. I don't recall if they were "set up" to be the #1 in pre-season like Benjamin has been, but in terms of the actual season, they were clearly the #1s. Same with Clayton and AJ Green. Again, I live in Charlotte, so for all I know these guys were also set up like Benjamin, but for all 4 of them, it was pretty clear that they were the #1 WR. I remember all the hype about Colston and drafted him knowing I got a steal. Same with Andre Johnson, I remember drafting him way later than Charles Rogers (kept both of those guys for years in my main keeper league) knowing I got another steal. Not sure about the rest and don't feel like looking them all up, but I am sure there were more that were clearly the QB's favorites. I think we recall Moss/Carter, Boldin/Fitz and Jones/White, but I think a fair number above were actually the primary targets, maybe not all season but definitely as the season went along.

Joe Horn was still there so no on Colston. Fitz was drafted in 2004.

Yeah, I caught the Fitz thing the post above yours, but you are incorrect on Colston. He got raves in the pre-season and lots of mentions in the Shark Pool, which is why I drafted him. Both guys were hurt a few games, but Colston had 70 receptions in 12 games with 8 TDs and Horn had 37 receptions in 10 games with 4 TDs. Horn's last year was the next year, but he started his decline in 2005 and Colston was definitely the #1 in 2006.

I'm not saying Colston ended up being better and had hype. I was merely saying he came to a team that had an established #1 guy which Horn undoubtedly was.But this is about KB. I think the evidence shows that at least half of that top20 was guys who were the #1 WR on the roster.

 

[cstu]

KC had nothing at WR when they drafted Bowe. The two situations are very similar.

Benjamin has a better QB but throws less than the KC QB's did.

 

[stbugs]

Top 20 Rookie WR Seasons(last 20 years)

Player Team Year Rec Rec Yds Rec YPG YPC YAC per Rec TDs % Caught

1 Anquan Boldin ARI 2003 101 1,377 86 13.6 5.7 8 61.2

2 Randy Moss MIN 1998 69 1,313 82 19.0 3.6 17 55.6

3 Terry Glenn NE 1996 90 1,132 76 12.6 3.6 6 53.9

4 Michael Clayton TB 2004 80 1,193 75 14.9 6.5 7 65.6

5 Marques Colston NO 2006 70 1,038 74 14.8 5.4 8 60.9

6 Julio Jones ATL 2011 54 959 74 17.8 7.9 8 56.8

7 A.J. Green CIN 2011 65 1,057 71 16.3 4.5 7 56.5

8 Eddie Royal DEN 2008 91 980 65 10.8 3.9 5 70.5

9 Joey Galloway SEA 1995 67 1,039 65 15.5 3.7 7 50.4

10 Dwayne Bowe KC 2007 70 995 62 14.2 5.2 5 59.8

11 Eddie Kennison STL 1996 54 924 62 17.1 5.2 9 49.1

12 Kevin Johnson CLE 1999 66 986 62 14.9 4.3 8 48.2

13 Andre Johnson HOU 2003 66 976 61 14.8 6.7 4 55.5

14 Keyshawn Johnson NYJ 1996 63 844 60 13.4 2.0 8 50.4

15 Mike Williams TB 2010 65 964 60 14.8 5.3 11 50.4

16 Jeremy Shockey NYG 2002 74 894 60 12.1 5.8 2 58.3

17 Roy Williams DET 2004 54 817 58 15.1 5.3 8 45.8

18 T.Y. Hilton IND 2012 50 861 57 17.2 7.9 7 55.6

19 DeSean Jackson PHI 2008 62 912 57 14.7 4.4 2 51.2

20 Frank Sanders ARI 1995 52 883 55 17.0 4.2 2 47.7

Someone probably posted this already. How many of these guys were the #1 when they came in?

I'm not sure if any of them were. Even Moss had Chris Carter there. I don't have the best memory, but I can't think of an example of a rookie WR being a team's clear cut WR1 during preseason. It has to have happened at some point in time, but I'm drawing a blank.

Pretty sure Terry Glenn and Colston were. I don't recall if they were "set up" to be the #1 in pre-season like Benjamin has been, but in terms of the actual season, they were clearly the #1s. Same with Clayton and AJ Green. Again, I live in Charlotte, so for all I know these guys were also set up like Benjamin, but for all 4 of them, it was pretty clear that they were the #1 WR. I remember all the hype about Colston and drafted him knowing I got a steal. Same with Andre Johnson, I remember drafting him way later than Charles Rogers (kept both of those guys for years in my main keeper league) knowing I got another steal. Not sure about the rest and don't feel like looking them all up, but I am sure there were more that were clearly the QB's favorites. I think we recall Moss/Carter, Boldin/Fitz and Jones/White, but I think a fair number above were actually the primary targets, maybe not all season but definitely as the season went along.

Joe Horn was still there so no on Colston. Fitz was drafted in 2004.

Yeah, I caught the Fitz thing the post above yours, but you are incorrect on Colston. He got raves in the pre-season and lots of mentions in the Shark Pool, which is why I drafted him. Both guys were hurt a few games, but Colston had 70 receptions in 12 games with 8 TDs and Horn had 37 receptions in 10 games with 4 TDs. Horn's last year was the next year, but he started his decline in 2005 and Colston was definitely the #1 in 2006.

I'm not saying Colston ended up being better and had hype. I was merely saying he came to a team that had an established #1 guy which Horn undoubtedly was.But this is about KB. I think the evidence shows that at least half of that top20 was guys who were the #1 WR on the roster.

We will just have to agree to disagree, but you are correct no need to go further in KB's thread.

 

[Hoss Style]

Not sure what you guys are seeing, but trying to trade for Benjamin now in Dynasty Leagues is like pulling teeth from an alligator. I've thrown out some ridiculous offers because I'd like to have a hometown guy, and been rejected. Seems the hype is high, right now.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Not sure what you guys are seeing, but trying to trade for Benjamin now in Dynasty Leagues is like pulling teeth from an alligator. I've thrown out some ridiculous offers because I'd like to have a hometown guy, and been rejected. Seems the hype is high, right now.

About a month ago, I was giving Benjamin away, got no takers. Then I got offers, and waffled. But you're right, now it'd be very difficult to part with him unless you highly leveraged your offer.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

What range would you feel comfortable with in a non ppr dynasty rookie draft to take Benjamin?

I imagine top 3 wrs are Watkins Evans and Cooks... Does Benjamin fit in right after that?

Are slots 1.5 or 1.6 too early in a 12 tm rookie draft?

 

[stbugs]

What range would you feel comfortable with in a non ppr dynasty rookie draft to take Benjamin?

I imagine top 3 wrs are Watkins Evans and Cooks... Does Benjamin fit in right after that?

Are slots 1.5 or 1.6 too early in a 12 tm rookie draft?

Non-ppr, I would take Benjamin over Cooks. Non-ppr is where I think Benjamin will shine, he will be the Panthers #1 red zone target and I would probably say he has a chance to be the #1 rookie WR in touchdowns even with less receptions than the others.

 

[pantherclub]

I may have been completely and totally wrong about KB. Kid is getting targeted a ton and catching everything.

 

[RushHour]

This guy is a stud

 

[pantherclub]

He honestly looks like a bigger version of Brandon Marshall.

 

[Boston]

He is really opening my eyes tonight...he looks very comfortable playing in the NFL...

 

[DaveL]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GJMos7RGz_0/U_fjFMIDWjI/AAAAAAAABSI/1ZcI0NSEZog/s1600/kbbb.gif

Strong, quick hands

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I may have been completely and totally wrong about KB. Kid is getting targeted a ton and catching everything.

I'm in the eat crow line with you. After the draft I called him the NFL's answer to former NBA-er Gheorghe Mureșan.

It was funny at the time, but it's looking like it was completely wrong.

 

[False Start]

This kid is one of a kind and I'm glad he is getting more supporters.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Preparing to toss that crow in the oven, he looks good...

 

[False Start]

Preparing to toss that crow in the oven, he looks good...

I was in a league someone got him and 2.08.

That looks to be criminal now.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The hype is real. Getting future first round offers for KB. Month ago took him at 2.03. The price is just starting to percolate.

 

[pantherclub]

I may have been completely and totally wrong about KB. Kid is getting targeted a ton and catching everything.

I'm in the eat crow line with you. After the draft I called him the NFL's answer to former NBA-er Gheorghe Mureșan.

It was funny at the time, but it's looking like it was completely wrong.

I meant him not being fantasy relevant. I thought eventually he would become a good wr I just didnt think it would be this quick.

His adp probably will shoot up 1-2 rounds after tonight

 

[Childress]

Looked like Benjamin was too much for Revis to handle.....wait, did I just say that?

 

[Insein]

My drafts are still a week away. So much for rounds 13+. He's going to be creeping big time in redraft now.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

had a lot of doubts about his game translating but he looks really really good. as the #1 in Carolina he could put up top 25 WR numbers as a rookie.

officially on board.

 

[Mingooch]

I too am moving on over. I don't know what clicked or how, but the flaws I used to see have lessened or disappeared. I am impressed.