Kelvin Benjamin - WR - FSU [UPDATE PAGE 1, 7/3] (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

Do you guys ever play someone based on your opponent's QB? He has Cam and I'm torn between Benjamin and Ingram. Would that sway you at all or do you base it on just your two players? Sitting Benjamin has caused me to lose 3 times so far...

Only if I'm a large favorite or underdog or I have lead/trail more than expected after the Thursday game. If everything else is close to square I don't worry about it.

As an example, if I started Sanders this week then KB starts for me if my opponent has Cam and started JT last Thursday. Same situation but my opponent started Sanders and I had started JT, Benjamin sits.

 

[SCT]

You start whoever you think will score the most points. Cam will score points for your opponent regardless of whether you start kb or not. If you think a different WR will score more than kb start him.

 

[Canes2000]

My only other option is to go with Pierre Garcon with Colt McCoy at QB on MNF versus Dallas. KB or Garcon?

 

[Hoss Style]

You start whoever you think will score the most points. Cam will score points for your opponent regardless of whether you start kb or not. If you think a different WR will score more than kb start him.

Most of the time, yes. But if I think my team doesn't have a great shot at a win in a given week (because of injuries, BYE weeks, etc) then I would definitely look into starting a boom/bust player over an average plodder who I think will probably score more points, but only max out at 10 points.

I run into this a lot more on the IDP side of things, where I have a lineman who gets all of his points from sacks and only scores big every 3 weeks or so. When making a close decision on who to play, it most definitely makes sense to look at your opponent for the week - not just your team alone.

 

[flapgreen]

My only other option is to go with Pierre Garcon with Colt McCoy at QB on MNF versus Dallas. KB or Garcon?

Garcon here

 

[BigTex]

I benched him last week and it cost me. I didn't read last Sunday morning that he was playing. Not making that mistake again, even if he lays a goose egg, I'm starting him.

 

[glumpy]

Wish I could spend the time I used to on FF but just can't do it this season so I don't dwell on things so much. The first time I saw KB I was reminded of the excitement surrounding Randy Moss in his rookie year. Now maybe that's out of hand but it was enough for me that he's an auto-start along with AJ Green and Jimmy Graham when they're healthy.

 

[BassNBrew]

You start whoever you think will score the most points. Cam will score points for your opponent regardless of whether you start kb or not. If you think a different WR will score more than kb start him.

Problem is that you often don't know who will score the most points. Dodds has 18 players within +/- 1.5 pts of Benjamin. When you're faced with that type of decision, then advance lineup management techniques become a factor.

 

[dblock05]

My god, did you guys see that throw????? What a catch. He has 9 pts for me today without a TD. This guy is an absolute monster.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

50 yard catch was awesome and created a nice FF day for Benjamin. Dropped a not too tough TD catch from inside the 5 in second quarter. For all the number he is putting up, he really should be scoring better! Wonder where he ranks in drops.

 

[lod01]

Could pan out, but I'm probably going to let someone else find out unless he's dirt cheap.

I'd rather draft the same upside with Martavis Bryant in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.

Yep. Bryant will outperform Benjamin over the course of their careers.

Odds of that are very very slim. Not close talent wise and look no further than the guys getting paid to figure this out. I will go with NFL scouting dept over message board lod01

Benjamin has almost 30 lbs. on Bryant (some would to his detriment) but Bryant outperformed him on every metric at the combine by a good margin.

Despite the weight advantage, Benjamin did 13 bench reps to Bryant's 16.

Guys are looking like you know football.

I stand by my assessment. When Benjamin was drafted he was claiming the Panthers were happy with him on 240 but it's clear he's nowhere near that now. His questionable hands seem to have disappeared.

As for Bryant, the jury is still out. He's almost a year younger than Benjamin and has further to go with his route running. Wheaton had 6 catches his rookie year and has 11 so far, rookie WR's normally don't have a big impact with the Steelers.

Same here.Yep, claim victory now guys after 3 games. Smart move. We'll see in 5-8 years.

I watched the film. I came to a different assessment. I don't have to wait years to know you were wrong. You were wrong. Now he is still a rook and he is going to do rookie things, make rookie mistakes. He is on pace for roughly 70, 800 and 8 TDs. If he does that it will be a strong rookie season and certainly not the bust of the draft. And personally I think as Cam gets settled his numbers go up from his current pace. He is the number 1 WR and there is no doubt of that.

He is the #6 WR in non PPR and is on pace for 106 catches 1350 yards and 11 TDs.

I've got Benjamin in redraft and Bryant in dynasty. I stand by my claim that barring injury or stupidity off the field that Bryant will outperform Benjamin and it may come faster than I thought. I was expecting only a deep threat this season but he ran some good crossing routes yesterday. He can blow the top right off the defense.

This 2 yard TD has me excited. Didn't expect that type of catch out of Bryant. I thought I'd see him try and cradle it but he plucked it cleanly.

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Colts-vs-Steelers-Martavis-Bryant-2-yd-TD-catch/82d46781-8853-4d11-8f96-516694e5f6fc

Both have cases of the dropsies. Bryant had a bad one this week on a short route. Benjamin has dropped numerous passes so far this season.

Bryant not only has Roethlisberger, a superior QB in ever facet of the game, but also has Antonio Brown drawing #1 coverage and double teams on an offense that can put up staggering points as we just saw. Benjamin? Well, he has Newton for his career.

 

[Faust]

Report: Kelvin Benjamin briefly benched for missing team meeting

 

[Faust]

Kelvin Benjamin glad to land in Carolina

Excerpt:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Thirty-five wide receivers had a faster 40-yard dash time than Kelvin Benjamin 4.61 seconds at this year’s NFL combine, but the former Florida State wide standout wasn’t surprised.

He purposely ran slowly.

“Because I wanted to play for the Carolina Panthers,’’ said Benjamin, noting he has been clocked at 4.41 seconds, which would have been fifth fastest at the combine.

He got his wish. The Panthers selected the 6-foot-5, 240-pound Benjamin with the 28th pick.

 

[rjv]

Love the fact in my keeper league I drafted him in the 9th round. Considering keeping him barring a total meltdown

 

[Dondante]

You start whoever you think will score the most points. Cam will score points for your opponent regardless of whether you start kb or not. If you think a different WR will score more than kb start him.

Problem is that you often don't know who will score the most points. Dodds has 18 players within +/- 1.5 pts of Benjamin. When you're faced with that type of decision, then advance lineup management techniques become a factor.

Go on.

 

[BassNBrew]

You start whoever you think will score the most points. Cam will score points for your opponent regardless of whether you start kb or not. If you think a different WR will score more than kb start him.

Problem is that you often don't know who will score the most points. Dodds has 18 players within +/- 1.5 pts of Benjamin. When you're faced with that type of decision, then advance lineup management techniques become a factor.

Go on.

Last week I start Sanders on Thursday night and have a 39 point lead. My opponent's best WR is A. Brown. My QBs are Cam and Big Ben. I expected Cam to score 20.6 pts and Ben to score 19.3 points. Knowing I have a 39 pt lead, I'm more interested in preserving my win than maximizing points. Since a huge night from Brown is my opponents best path to make up that deficit, I start Ben to mitigate that risk.

 

[Quez]

He would of been a top 5 pick if he ran a 4.4

 

[Shutout]

You start whoever you think will score the most points. Cam will score points for your opponent regardless of whether you start kb or not. If you think a different WR will score more than kb start him.

Problem is that you often don't know who will score the most points. Dodds has 18 players within +/- 1.5 pts of Benjamin. When you're faced with that type of decision, then advance lineup management techniques become a factor.

Go on.

Last week I start Sanders on Thursday night and have a 39 point lead. My opponent's best WR is A. Brown. My QBs are Cam and Big Ben. I expected Cam to score 20.6 pts and Ben to score 19.3 points. Knowing I have a 39 pt lead, I'm more interested in preserving my win than maximizing points. Since a huge night from Brown is my opponents best path to make up that deficit, I start Ben to mitigate that risk.

Maybe I'm not following this convo correctly but...HUH?

I get the idea where people sometimes say they will hedge a bet and start Hilton against the opponent's Andrew Luck but at the end of the day, I don't care how I get them...I just want to start the lineup that is going to get the most points. That's all you can do. If I start Maclin to offset Foles and Foles has 80 points in the greatest game ever, it's only coincidental at that point of whether Maclin gets 3 or 63 of those. So I just try to squeeze out every .05 I can get and hope that's enough.

 

[Fat Nick]

I've got Benjamin in redraft and Bryant in dynasty. I stand by my claim that barring injury or stupidity off the field that Bryant will outperform Benjamin and it may come faster than I thought. I was expecting only a deep threat this season but he ran some good crossing routes yesterday. He can blow the top right off the defense.
This 2 yard TD has me excited. Didn't expect that type of catch out of Bryant. I thought I'd see him try and cradle it but he plucked it cleanly.

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Colts-vs-Steelers-Martavis-Bryant-2-yd-TD-catch/82d46781-8853-4d11-8f96-516694e5f6fc

Both have cases of the dropsies. Bryant had a bad one this week on a short route. Benjamin has dropped numerous passes so far this season.

Bryant not only has Roethlisberger, a superior QB in ever facet of the game, but also has Antonio Brown drawing #1 coverage and double teams on an offense that can put up staggering points as we just saw. Benjamin? Well, he has Newton for his career.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said in the above re. Bryant, but you left out a big negative, which is while he does have Antonio Brown drawing #1 coverage and double-teams, you also have Brown drawing #1 targets. It's not really fair to take the good of being a #2+ WR, but not the bad...Benjamin is a WR1 and his targets have generally shown that.

 

[BassNBrew]

You start whoever you think will score the most points. Cam will score points for your opponent regardless of whether you start kb or not. If you think a different WR will score more than kb start him.

Problem is that you often don't know who will score the most points. Dodds has 18 players within +/- 1.5 pts of Benjamin. When you're faced with that type of decision, then advance lineup management techniques become a factor.

Go on.

Last week I start Sanders on Thursday night and have a 39 point lead. My opponent's best WR is A. Brown. My QBs are Cam and Big Ben. I expected Cam to score 20.6 pts and Ben to score 19.3 points. Knowing I have a 39 pt lead, I'm more interested in preserving my win than maximizing points. Since a huge night from Brown is my opponents best path to make up that deficit, I start Ben to mitigate that risk.

Maybe I'm not following this convo correctly but...HUH?

I get the idea where people sometimes say they will hedge a bet and start Hilton against the opponent's Andrew Luck but at the end of the day, I don't care how I get them...I just want to start the lineup that is going to get the most points. That's all you can do. If I start Maclin to offset Foles and Foles has 80 points in the greatest game ever, it's only coincidental at that point of whether Maclin gets 3 or 63 of those. So I just try to squeeze out every .05 I can get and hope that's enough.

Look at it this way. I place a $100 bet on the Cardinals to win the Super Bowl to win $2500. They make the Super Bowl and are matched up against Cinny and the game is Cinny +.5. If I wanted to maximize my cash potential, I sit tight with 51-52% chance of $2400 profit.. If I wanted maximize my chances to win money, I wager $1200 on Cinny to win $2400. In that situation I'm winning money in regardless of the outcome. Arizone wins and I profit $1200, Cinny wins and I profit $1100.

When know factors such as Sanders posting 39 points on Thur or your opponent having Rodgers/Lacy/Nelson/Cobb on a bye increase you chances of winning, it's very similar to having Arizona in the Super Bowl.

 

[joffer]

Think I'm finally going to start him this week

 

[cstu]

Kelvin Benjamin glad to land in Carolina

Excerpt:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Thirty-five wide receivers had a faster 40-yard dash time than Kelvin Benjamin 4.61 seconds at this year’s NFL combine, but the former Florida State wide standout wasn’t surprised.

He purposely ran slowly.

“Because I wanted to play for the Carolina Panthers,’’ said Benjamin, noting he has been clocked at 4.41 seconds, which would have been fifth fastest at the combine.

He got his wish. The Panthers selected the 6-foot-5, 240-pound Benjamin with the 28th pick.

Sure looks like he was trying his best.

 

[shadyridr]

Of course hes lying

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

The breakout 2 TD game is tonight boys. All the Benjamins.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

From Evan Silva's matchups column on Roto:

Cam's target distribution on the year: Kelvin Benjamin 57; Greg Olsen 50; Jerricho Cotchery 38; Jason Avant 32; Philly Brown 12; Jonathan Stewart 11; Brenton Bersin 10. ... Saints LCB Keenan Lewis was a thorn in Jordy Nelson's (3-25-0) side during Sunday night's win, but did allow a 70-yard touchdown to Randall Cobb, and New Orleans was plenty vulnerable to No. 1 receivers before that game. Opposing top-wideout stat lines against the Saints in their other six games: 10-154-1 (Golden Tate), 8-144 (Vincent Jackson), 3-44-1 (Dez Bryant), 5-70 (Greg Jennings), 6-70 (Andrew Hawkins), 7-116 (Julio Jones). Benjamin has produced like a borderline WR1 all year, leads Carolina in targets, racked up nearly 100 receiving yards against Richard Sherman last week, and has an above-average matchup. He should be locked into fantasy lineups every week from here on out.

 

[joffer]

Think I'm finally going to start him this week

Oops

 

[shadyridr]

Cam is atrocious

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Think I'm finally going to start him this week

Oops

Please return him to your bench

 

[flapgreen]

Damn, Cam

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Give him a chance Cam...

 

[Houston turmOiler]

And now he does...Drop

 

[Ilov80s]

His hands and concentration are catching up with him. It's an issue.

 

[cvnpoka]

hes got so many damn dropped tds. so frustrating. thats like his 4th of the year.

 

[Milkman]

haha I don't own him and thought he was going to suck. I was wrong obviously but that red zone series was brutal. I think I would have thrown something.

 

[RBM]

Ugly night

 

[joffer]

Lewis is eating him for lunch

Another great throw 10 rows up

 

[joffer]

Kid that big has to learn to create space

 

[Insein]

Cam also has to not suck.

 

[McGarnicle]

Drops the TD earlier, then 1st & goal from the 6 they had 3 wideouts split to the left and Benjamin wasn't one of them. Then he's beaten by the corner on second down, then Cam throws an uncatchable ball on third. ####### frustrating to watch.

 

[shadyridr]

Love the red zone targets, too bad theyre from Cam

 

[BigTex]

I mentioned a few weeks ago something wasn't right with Cam and KB and i got blasted. It's obviously more Came than KB even though he has his moments but Cam is not a good QB!

 

[shadyridr]

I mentioned a few weeks ago something wasn't right with Cam and KB and i got blasted. It's obviously more Came than KB even though he has his moments but Cam is not a good QB!

i remember and i was one of the few who agreed

 

[just_want_2_win]

Cam killed him tonight aside from that one dropped TD which KB should've caught. 10 Targets and almost nothing to show for it.

 

[shadyridr]

Agreed. Blame him for the drop. Ill blame cam for the other ####ty nine targets

 

[Ilov80s]

Good value so far, but a lot of what ifs. Still, I am very happy with KB so far. I drafted him very late to be my WR3 until Gordon returns and he has more than fit the bill.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Cam did him no favors but 2nd week in a row he dropped a sure TD

 

[Ilov80s]

Cam did him no favors but 2nd week in a row he dropped a sure TD

Next decent week, I think he is a guy to sell if you can afford it.

 

[BigTex]

I totally convinced that Cam is just overrated and I'm not fishing.

Someone posted the success rate of QB who play four years of college vs those that don't complete 4yrs (come out early) and it was interesting to say the least. I wish I would have kept that article. Anyway, my point watching Cam is not surprising in light of the article.

At the end of the day, QBs drafted high in the NFL that completed 4yrs of college were much more successful than those that didnt. IIRC there was only one or zero (I don't remember that was actually successful.

I wonder at is the Super Bowl rate is or even Hall of Fame.

Tex

 

[TLEF316]

Cam did him no favors but 2nd week in a row he dropped a sure TD

This. Benjamin could have salvaged a semi-respectable game if he caught that ball.

Doesn't excuse Cam missing him on 3 others (and the total lack of creative play calling to try and get him open) but it was a pretty bad drop.

 

[RBM]

Cam is just not a WR friendly qb. Look at Smith killing it again. He's obviously a special talent when he's healthy and fully running but right now he flat out stinks.