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ROYALWITCHEESE said:
Does already being 25 hurt Thompkins' chances? Help? Does it make sense that he picks things up a little quicker, since he's quite a bit older (in NFL terms), and has already had the experience of moving to new teams and learning new schemes? In essence, not your typical undrafted rookie.
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http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2013/08/steelers_wr_antonio_brown_helped_kenbrell_thompkins_continue

here's another article with brady complimenting their intelligence http://nesn.com/2013/07/tom-brady-praises-young-receivers-for-hard-work-intelligence-as-patriots-try-to-get-on-same-page-quickly/

 
Rotoworld:

Per the Boston Globe, undrafted WR Kenbrell Thompkins is the "clear favorite" to be among the Patriots' top-five wideouts.
Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Aaron Dobson, and Josh Boyce are "roster locks," then Thompkins has the edge for the next spot. Thompkins has arguably been the best receiver in training camp, and he's looked faster on the field than any other Patriots wideout. He has an outside shot to beat out Dobson for the starting "X" job. New England is likely to keep six receivers, and special teams ace Matthew Slater is the front-runner for the final spot.


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Bri said:
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/08/separating-himself-undrafted-patriots-wideout-kenbrell-thompkins-vs-virginia-tech-2012.html
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Here is his game tape from that game, you can tell he has the makings of a potential big time NFL WR. He does run some precise routes with ability to make the corner struggle as well as draw penalties. All these factors play into getting playing time, and Thompkins looks to be no fluke in why he is drawing praise.

http://youtu.be/oSjTO-Mudzs

ETA: Has anyone sold this guy, what is the market for him? I have Ivory, tried moving him and a 3rd for Powell was told no, wondering what people are getting for him. I think sitting on this guy will generate more value, but just out of curiosity.

 
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Bri said:
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/08/separating-himself-undrafted-patriots-wideout-kenbrell-thompkins-vs-virginia-tech-2012.html
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Here is his game tape from that game, you can tell he has the makings of a potential big time NFL WR. He does run some precise routes with ability to make the corner struggle as well as draw penalties. All these factors play into getting playing time, and Thompkins looks to be no fluke in why he is drawing praise.

http://youtu.be/oSjTO-Mudzs

ETA: Has anyone sold this guy, what is the market for him? I have Ivory, tried moving him and a 3rd for Powell was told no, wondering what people are getting for him. I think sitting on this guy will generate more value, but just out of curiosity.
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In those highlights he resembles Chad Johnson some. Not quite as fast.

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Boston expects undrafted Patriots WR Kenbrell Thompkins to earn a roster spot.
As does the Boston Globe. As has become customary, Thompkins drew raves for his performance in the Patriots' joint Tuesday practice with the Eagles. Per beat writer Mike Reiss, Thompkins' footwork "stands out as something particularly notable for a young receiver." It will be an upset if Thompkins doesn't crack the 53-man roster, but the preseason looms as a large final test.


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PatsFanCT said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Just saw on NFLN that both Kenbrell and Boyce seem to be ahead of Dobson at camp so far.
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I just read on PFW that Dobson was way out in front and the best player in camp.

Crazy how people see the same thing but come away with completely opposite opinions.

http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Ask-PFW-Catching-up-with-camp-questions/0f645261-b841-4074-9c70-cc04c7f8ced1
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From Twitter reports from the scrimmage today, I saw multiple tweets about those 2 looking better than Dobson, but it's only one scrimmage. This exactly why I like to gather all of these tweets and then judge them as a whole before jumping to any conclusions. I'd still expect that pre-season will play a big part in this rookie race.

 
PatsFanCT said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Just saw on NFLN that both Kenbrell and Boyce seem to be ahead of Dobson at camp so far.
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I just read on PFW that Dobson was way out in front and the best player in camp.

Crazy how people see the same thing but come away with completely opposite opinions.

http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Ask-PFW-Catching-up-with-camp-questions/0f645261-b841-4074-9c70-cc04c7f8ced1
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I agree. As a Pats fan like you, I'm sure we're reading all the same daily camp reports all from different reporter POVs and they all seem mixed about how the top of the WR tree is shaking down (minus DA looking stellar as the clear cut #1 option).

For FF purposes, the big takeaway IMO is that the "Brady has no weapons" is shaping up to be an overblown group think fallacy that Sharks can take advantage of. If these WRs keep it up, Brady could easily finish top 3 and make a run at QB1. Being able to get that type of potential from a guy who has done it before at an ADP of 40. If I was drafting late I would LOVE to be able to go some combo of RB/WRs and then take him at the early 4 turn.

 
Nucker101 said:
PatsFanCT said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Just saw on NFLN that both Kenbrell and Boyce seem to be ahead of Dobson at camp so far.
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I just read on PFW that Dobson was way out in front and the best player in camp.

Crazy how people see the same thing but come away with completely opposite opinions.

http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Ask-PFW-Catching-up-with-camp-questions/0f645261-b841-4074-9c70-cc04c7f8ced1
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From Twitter reports from the scrimmage today, I saw multiple tweets about those 2 looking better than Dobson, but it's only one scrimmage. This exactly why I like to gather all of these tweets and then judge them as a whole before jumping to any conclusions. I'd still expect that pre-season will play a big part in this rookie race.
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Dobson probably has been the best but he was almost rendered useless with press coverage by an experienced NFL CB. This happened a couple days at practice and people are torn on how to react to it. Words out so BB and McD gotta fix it and drill him til he gets over it, DCs are surely going to have their boys do it....I think once he gets over this it won't be so questionable anymore.

KT doesn't struggle against this (nor does Boyce) or anything really and people seem to have a mindset that he's a UDFA so he must have some issues-expectant negative mindset. Day after day though he keeps producing.

I think Boyce they want to see all the wiggle produce, rather than look fancy, but then again he's got moves and such the other WRs don't have so people get excited too.

The reporters have done an awesome job, we know more of these rooks than we normally would. I think the games will hash all this out nicely for us and we'll all feel comfy with our predictions by week 1.

I like all the rooks better than Edelman. If Edelman was solely in the slot and it wasn't owned by Amendola I might feel different, but I think Edelman versus the rooks has to play out still too. If Boyce is the backup to all the spots, first one off the sideline, I want him not Edelman coming in. I want electricity. There's something very unexciting about adding another clinician, sure handed, route runner once there already is one on the field. I don't like Edelman and Amendola together.

 
Rotoworld:

According to the Boston Herald, it's "noticeable" in training camp practices that Tom Brady and UDFA Kenbrell Thompkins are "consistently on the same page."
Beat writer Jeff Howe says Thompkins "has continued to stand out as a possession receiver with vertical skills," hinting at a complete skill set. A 25-year-old rookie, Thompkins is already excelling on option routes, which are a staple in New England's complex passing attack. In Wednesday's team drills, Danny Amendola caught five Brady passes. Thompkins and Josh Boyce each caught four, while Aaron Dobson and Shane Vereen hauled in three apiece.


Source: Boston Herald
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PatsFanCT said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Just saw on NFLN that both Kenbrell and Boyce seem to be ahead of Dobson at camp so far.
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I just read on PFW that Dobson was way out in front and the best player in camp.

Crazy how people see the same thing but come away with completely opposite opinions.

http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Ask-PFW-Catching-up-with-camp-questions/0f645261-b841-4074-9c70-cc04c7f8ced1
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PFW? Pro Football Weekly?

Aren't they out of business? How current is that report?

 
ODannyBoy said:
PatsFanCT said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Just saw on NFLN that both Kenbrell and Boyce seem to be ahead of Dobson at camp so far.
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I just read on PFW that Dobson was way out in front and the best player in camp.

Crazy how people see the same thing but come away with completely opposite opinions.

http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Ask-PFW-Catching-up-with-camp-questions/0f645261-b841-4074-9c70-cc04c7f8ced1
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PFW? Pro Football Weekly?

Aren't they out of business? How current is that report?
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Patriots Football Weekly.

 
That seems a bit low for me.

3rd rounders are a bit of a crapshoot, whereas Thompkins is a guy who, by the sounds of it, is going to get decent exposure in one of the most productive passing offenses in the league. I'd much rather hold on the chance that he blows up and becomes a WR2 player than trade for a loterry ticket next year.

 
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
Beanie Baby said:
Phenix said:
Has anyone sold this guy
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2014 3rd. Shotgunned the league with the offer. One guy came back with 2014 4th. I declined and got the 3rd rounder the next day from someone else.
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If I couldn't get a 2nd with the hype, I'd just keep him and see what happens. Could pay off even more.
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agreed...the situation is wide open in NE and the payoff could be big. I'd take the gamble on holding him as opposed to getting a pick that likely won't result in much.

 
Of course you guys value him as a 2nd rounder. This is the three-page long NEP UDFA WR hype thread. But I was pretty high on the trade. Especially since I just picked Thompkins off the waiver wire a week prior. There is a lot you can do with a 3rd round pick between now and 2014. And there is talent to be mined in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Just look at Colin Kaepernick and Dwayne Allen the last two years. While everyone else is overreacting I would rather have a 2014 3rd round pick than an UDFA that beat writers see as a WR5 and think might make the 53 man roster.

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Anarchy99 said:
The best season turned in by a WR someone other than Welker or Moss in the past 10 years was Lloyd last year, and that wasn't terrible but it wasn't great.
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Deion Branch in 2005 = 998 receiving yards / 5 TD

Lloyd in 2012 = 911 receiving yards / 4 TD
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Nucker101 said:
PatsFanCT said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Just saw on NFLN that both Kenbrell and Boyce seem to be ahead of Dobson at camp so far.
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I just read on PFW that Dobson was way out in front and the best player in camp.

Crazy how people see the same thing but come away with completely opposite opinions.

http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Ask-PFW-Catching-up-with-camp-questions/0f645261-b841-4074-9c70-cc04c7f8ced1
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From Twitter reports from the scrimmage today, I saw multiple tweets about those 2 looking better than Dobson, but it's only one scrimmage. This exactly why I like to gather all of these tweets and then judge them as a whole before jumping to any conclusions. I'd still expect that pre-season will play a big part in this rookie race.
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Exactly... TIFWIW

 
Beanie Baby said:
Phenix said:
Has anyone sold this guy
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2014 3rd. Shotgunned the league with the offer. One guy came back with 2014 4th. I declined and got the 3rd rounder the next day from someone else.
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Personally, I use 3's to trade guys I don't believe in anymore for any number of reasons or in-season to patch holes due to injury/ineffectiveness. If you are buying into the hype at all, and at this point it's tough not to, I'd be holding out for something even better than a 2.

 
Beanie Baby said:
Of course you guys value him as a 2nd rounder. This is the three-page long NEP UDFA WR hype thread. But I was pretty high on the trade. Especially since I just picked Thompkins off the waiver wire a week prior. There is a lot you can do with a 3rd round pick between now and 2014. And there is talent to be mined in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Just look at Colin Kaepernick and Dwayne Allen the last two years. While everyone else is overreacting I would rather have a 2014 3rd round pick than an UDFA that beat writers see as a WR5 and think might make the 53 man roster.
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As someone who lives in the Boston area and follows camp pretty closely, I'll just say that I think Thompkins has a better chance of being the WR2 than the WR5. Barring a big injury, he's pretty much a lock for the final 53.

 
lbouchard said:
Beanie Baby said:
Of course you guys value him as a 2nd rounder. This is the three-page long NEP UDFA WR hype thread. But I was pretty high on the trade. Especially since I just picked Thompkins off the waiver wire a week prior. There is a lot you can do with a 3rd round pick between now and 2014. And there is talent to be mined in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Just look at Colin Kaepernick and Dwayne Allen the last two years. While everyone else is overreacting I would rather have a 2014 3rd round pick than an UDFA that beat writers see as a WR5 and think might make the 53 man roster.
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As someone who lives in the Boston area and follows camp pretty closely, I'll just say that I think Thompkins has a better chance of being the WR2 than the WR5. Barring a big injury, he's pretty much a lock for the final 53.
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Fixed. ;)

 
Beanie Baby said:
Of course you guys value him as a 2nd rounder. This is the three-page long NEP UDFA WR hype thread. But I was pretty high on the trade. Especially since I just picked Thompkins off the waiver wire a week prior. There is a lot you can do with a 3rd round pick between now and 2014. And there is talent to be mined in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Just look at Colin Kaepernick and Dwayne Allen the last two years. While everyone else is overreacting I would rather have a 2014 3rd round pick than an UDFA that beat writers see as a WR5 and think might make the 53 man roster.
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In my league, both Kaep and Allen were 2nd rounders. 3rd rounders were Gabbert and Locker and Todman and Pettis...

 
lbouchard said:
Beanie Baby said:
Of course you guys value him as a 2nd rounder. This is the three-page long NEP UDFA WR hype thread. But I was pretty high on the trade. Especially since I just picked Thompkins off the waiver wire a week prior. There is a lot you can do with a 3rd round pick between now and 2014. And there is talent to be mined in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Just look at Colin Kaepernick and Dwayne Allen the last two years. While everyone else is overreacting I would rather have a 2014 3rd round pick than an UDFA that beat writers see as a WR5 and think might make the 53 man roster.
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As someone who lives in the Boston area and follows camp pretty closely, I'll just say that I think Thompkins has a better chance of being the WR2 than the WR5. Barring a big injury, he's pretty much a lock for the final 53.
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You are much closer to the situation than I am. Who do you see him beating out for the #2 and what kind of numbers do you project for him this season?

 
Beanie Baby said:
lbouchard said:
Beanie Baby said:
Of course you guys value him as a 2nd rounder. This is the three-page long NEP UDFA WR hype thread. But I was pretty high on the trade. Especially since I just picked Thompkins off the waiver wire a week prior. There is a lot you can do with a 3rd round pick between now and 2014. And there is talent to be mined in the 3rd round of rookie drafts. Just look at Colin Kaepernick and Dwayne Allen the last two years. While everyone else is overreacting I would rather have a 2014 3rd round pick than an UDFA that beat writers see as a WR5 and think might make the 53 man roster.
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As someone who lives in the Boston area and follows camp pretty closely, I'll just say that I think Thompkins has a better chance of being the WR2 than the WR5. Barring a big injury, he's pretty much a lock for the final 53.
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You are much closer to the situation than I am. Who do you see him beating out for the #2 and what kind of numbers do you project for him this season?
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As of arguably day one or two in training camp, he has had one of the outside spots. It's actually the other way, someone needs to beat him out.

He's done everything us shark pool regulars thought he'd have to and then some. Games are coming, that's the next step of course.

I totally expect people here to disagree on some nonsense and we'll totally over-analyze the game like whether player X beating a 2nd team CB for 40 yards is better than player Y beating a 1st team CB for 20 yards. Meanwhile, BB is probably trying to just see what happens in certain matchups. It's what we do in preseason.

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
So for those with late rookie drafts, are you taking Thompkins over Dobson?
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Dobson is a second rounder, KT is 4th or 5th. In our 3 round one recently, he went in the third and it felt reasonable. I could see him being there soon in most drafts. I expect Dobson to run with the 1s and do well. Late first, there's some rook WRs that are still not running with the ones. He could climb to that point, I figure.

 
As noted in a previous post, Aaron Dobson had a few ridiculous catches. The first came on a bomb just short of the goal line when the rookie outleaped cornerback Curtis Marsh and safety Nate Allen. He then made a leaping catch on the sideline a few plays later. Dobson’s play has led some to rekindle the Randy Moss comparisons he generated coming out of Marshall. That sort of thing will be avoided here, but it is beginning to look like Dobson could provide the offense with an element it has lacked since Moss departed.
The offense wasn’t as sharp as it was Tuesday, but that’s only because the bar was set impossibly high. Quarterback Tom Brady only missed on about five or six passes during 11-on-11 drills, with Dobson and fellow rookie Kenbrell Thompkins having the standout moments. At times it is stunning how polished Thompkins appears on the field.

Rookie Josh Boyce also had another solid day and appears to be developing good chemistry with his quarterback. Danny Amendola also had another solid day. Rookie tight end Zach Sudfeld also had a solid day despite a few dropped passes.
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http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2013/08/new_england_patriots_training_21.html

 
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KT had 4 catches on that drive then, more than any of the other Patriots receivers. Clearly on the same page as Brady.

 
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KT had 4 catches on that drive then, more than any of the other Patriots receivers. Clearly on the same page as Brady.
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That drive alone had to boost his value. They hit him on different types of routes each time. He looked good and caught a few of those passes in some heavy traffic.

 
This kid was arrested 7 times? Just seems like half way thru the season after hes putting up huge numbers, everyone is gonna say why wasnt this kid drafted? And someone will say off the field issues but hes turned them around now with belicheck. This #### seems to happen every year with a wr. Definitely on my radar

 
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