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Keto II (1 Viewer)

:bag:   After a good start, I fell off the wagon and reverted back to my sinning ways.  The last three weeks have been a mixture of trying to avoid carbs, yet losing late night battles to my sweet tooth.  I feel like DrunkOtistm when he finds a KitKat followed by a pantry of snacks. I'm still down 25lbs since April, but have slowly put on 4lbs over the last 3 weeks.  I still have 10lbs to go to meet my goal.  My wife won't let me hear the end of it if I don't reach my goal weight before she reaches her's.  With that said, my willpower has been so ####ty these past couple of weeks, I don't trust myself starting before 7/5.  I can see many starts/stops/derails prior to 7/5, with the holiday and cookouts and a youth baseball tournament.  I came to post my shame and to put my stake in the ground so that I can be held accountable for picking this back up in a week. / :bag:

 
Peak said:
:bag:   After a good start, I fell off the wagon and reverted back to my sinning ways.  The last three weeks have been a mixture of trying to avoid carbs, yet losing late night battles to my sweet tooth.  I feel like DrunkOtistm when he finds a KitKat followed by a pantry of snacks. I'm still down 25lbs since April, but have slowly put on 4lbs over the last 3 weeks.  I still have 10lbs to go to meet my goal.  My wife won't let me hear the end of it if I don't reach my goal weight before she reaches her's.  With that said, my willpower has been so ####ty these past couple of weeks, I don't trust myself starting before 7/5.  I can see many starts/stops/derails prior to 7/5, with the holiday and cookouts and a youth baseball tournament.  I came to post my shame and to put my stake in the ground so that I can be held accountable for picking this back up in a week. / :bag:
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Otis said:
You guys laugh burn I have you right where I want you foto contest #3. 

Speaking of which, WHO'S IN!??

Weigh Loss 3: Summer Lovin'
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I'd like to officially be in the contest for this go round.

So should I go splurge on tons of calories to inflate my starting weight?    :excited:

 
Day 69 - stuck on 166lbs and around 21% body fat for a week and a half.  Sticking with it though.  

Still haven't started walking or lifting.  It's in the plans - hoping this rockets this to level 2.   

Will have a frozen shoulder procedure in Toronto tomorrow.  Pain is in the forecast.  

Hope to be back golfing by mid-July.  

 
Binky The Doormat said:
Day 69 - stuck on 166lbs and around 21% body fat for a week and a half.  Sticking with it though.  

Still haven't started walking or lifting.  It's in the plans - hoping this rockets this to level 2.   

Will have a frozen shoulder procedure in Toronto tomorrow.  Pain is in the forecast.  

Hope to be back golfing by mid-July.  
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How tall?

 
@culdeus  What do you know about fish protein powder?  I just was reading about how it can possibly help blood sugar regulation.  (Most of the benefit discussion is around gut heatlh though).  

 
Binky The Doormat said:
@culdeus  What do you know about fish protein powder?  I just was reading about how it can possibly help blood sugar regulation.  (Most of the benefit discussion is around gut heatlh though).  
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Nothing.  I've heard of it but the research so far is pretty thin.  

By regulation are you comparing it to whey's insulin response, for example?

 
mr roboto said:
Started at 220 probably 20% or so. 
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I've probably never in my life been south of 15 or so.  Would love to get to even 15 now.  Trouble is I start keto on Monday, and by wedesday night I'm drinking a bottle of wine and chasing it with a pint of ice cream. :bag:  

 
Otis said:
I've probably never in my life been south of 15 or so.  Would love to get to even 15 now.  Trouble is I start keto on Monday, and by wedesday night I'm drinking a bottle of wine and chasing it with a pint of ice cream. :bag:  
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For me it was all diet changes (not full keto but paleo) combined with regular strength training. No cardio. 

 
mr roboto said:
For me it was all diet changes (not full keto but paleo) combined with regular strength training. No cardio. 
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I'm certain diet is my only challenge now.  I'm in the gym and lifting 4 days a week and feel great about that.  If I start eating well, sky's the limit.  

 
My vacation weight melted off and then some once I kicked back in to Keto.  I should be able to finish OTIS WEIGHT LOSS PHASE II - ELECTRIC BOOGALOO- in negative numbers.  I fully plan to see how far I can take this and get old man ripped.

 
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Otis said:
I'm certain diet is my only challenge now.  I'm in the gym and lifting 4 days a week and feel great about that.  If I start eating well, sky's the limit.  
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My diet was pristine during Phase I - I almost never cheated.  During Phase II I've run, lifted and swam but started cheating on my diet and introducing alcohol during Phase II.  I've pretty much stayed stagnant although I know I've added some muscle and lost some fat.  Granted, it's a little unfair to think I was going to lose much during Phase II but it's been kind of eye opening how much diet matters at my age.  I have some leftover beer from the trip that I plan to consume this weekend by then it's about 3 months without.  @The Gator is going to mistake my selfies for his CR porn collection.

 
You guys are crazy. My diet plan has been;

No carbs

No working out because i don't like it

More weed than alcohol

Seems to be working

 
culdeus said:
Nothing.  I've heard of it but the research so far is pretty thin.  

By regulation are you comparing it to whey's insulin response, for example?
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No - not comparing it to anything else.  I was reading an article on various ways people were controlling their type2 diabetes and this came up - had never heard of it before ...fish oil, sure, but not fish protein powder.  Wondering if it clearly "snake oil."

 
Binky The Doormat said:
What do you know about fish protein powder? 
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If you have some fish protein powder along with fish oil capsules, it might be almost as nutritionally beneficial as having actual fish, except probably less rich in vitamins and minerals, and certainly more disgusting.

 
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Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
If you LOVE bread, can't eat this way without bread, or just want a nice roll with some butter, you can't go wrong with  these.  We make these a couple of times per week and make them in different shapes to fit our needs (Burger rolls, hot dog rolls, "sandwich" size etc).
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Binky The Doormat said:
Do it.  We have made them twice.  When you are craving a bun with your burger, meat, etc. ...they are great.  Really need to split and toast them though.  

Otherwise, they are kind of wet, spongy - reminds of a wetter african bread (injera).  
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Wet and spongy? The recipe I posted?? If so, you need to mix them a bit longer with the hand mixer. 

 
Currently 5'7" ,158 ,16.1% BF

I cant say I am doing Keto but I have cut down on many carbs. I would like to hit 150 but I really seem to be stuck between 156-158.

I do not lift but I do martial arts training and I spar twice a week. I also like to run but recently I have not been doing this. The heat out here makes running difficult but I may make a concerted effort to get back to it soon.

Anyway I am in here to steal recipes and food ideas from you all.

 
Starting to get frustrated with my plateau.  OK, I'll be honest, I'm not really that frustrated except for the fact we are approaching the end of the Otis challenge, and I had a lead until I hit the plateau.  My clothes are fiiting much better, and while i would like to lose 20 more pounds, I'm not consumed with self loathing when I catch myself in a mirror with my shirt off anymore.

Anyway, I first hit 180.5 Monday of last week.  I bounced between there and 182 for a few days, hitting 180.5 again this Sunday.  Then, every day this week I've been exactly 180.5 again, without variation.  The last few days I've tried different things, one day cutting carbs to around 15.  Then yesterday I allowed a couple of more carbs, had a big meat and cheese omelette (I usually skip breakfast), but yet the weight didn't change a lick.  I know it will break eventually as I have done fairly well with keeping carbs under 30 most days (two cheat days in almost 2 months), but I would like to get things moving in the right direction again.

 
Bull Dozier said:
Starting to get frustrated with my plateau.  OK, I'll be honest, I'm not really that frustrated except for the fact we are approaching the end of the Otis challenge, and I had a lead until I hit the plateau.  My clothes are fiiting much better, and while i would like to lose 20 more pounds, I'm not consumed with self loathing when I catch myself in a mirror with my shirt off anymore.

Anyway, I first hit 180.5 Monday of last week.  I bounced between there and 182 for a few days, hitting 180.5 again this Sunday.  Then, every day this week I've been exactly 180.5 again, without variation.  The last few days I've tried different things, one day cutting carbs to around 15.  Then yesterday I allowed a couple of more carbs, had a big meat and cheese omelette (I usually skip breakfast), but yet the weight didn't change a lick.  I know it will break eventually as I have done fairly well with keeping carbs under 30 most days (two cheat days in almost 2 months), but I would like to get things moving in the right direction again.
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While out of favor for the better part of a decade a refeed is probably required. The refeed concept is sound but it got so horribly misinterpreted that people just summarily reject it now so as to not confuse the otises that are out there. 

 
culdeus said:
While out of favor for the better part of a decade a refeed is probably required. The refeed concept is sound but it got so horribly misinterpreted that people just summarily reject it now so as to not confuse the otises that are out there. 
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Looking quickly, this looks like a mass intake of complex carbs, and results in a couple of pounds of water weight gain.  I may do this if the needle doesn't move by Monday (last day to weigh in).  I'm guessing it won't help for a Monday deadline though.

It would be more tempting to try now if it meant I could spend the weekend eating pizza with the crust and candy bars.  Brown rice and oatmeal aren't as tempting.

 
Bull Dozier said:
Looking quickly, this looks like a mass intake of complex carbs, and results in a couple of pounds of water weight gain.  I may do this if the needle doesn't move by Monday (last day to weigh in).  I'm guessing it won't help for a Monday deadline though.

It would be more tempting to try now if it meant I could spend the weekend eating pizza with the crust and candy bars.  Brown rice and oatmeal aren't as tempting.
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No you will put on weight.  Concept is you feed back to a baseline. If you have a chart of your weight loss that goes back more than 3 months the math is relatively simple. 

If you lift I would do a hypertrophic leg day before eating that would kill a normal man. 

 
culdeus said:
No you will put on weight.  Concept is you feed back to a baseline. If you have a chart of your weight loss that goes back more than 3 months the math is relatively simple. 

If you lift I would do a hypertrophic leg day before eating that would kill a normal man. 
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What I read (wikipedia, knowledge bomb!) said expect a 2-4 pound weight gain, that will be lost quickly.  Is that not what to expect?

I don't lift, but plan to get into some light lifting.  My knees and shoulders are messed up, so I'm hoping to be able to do a couple of sets of just the bar.  I'm not sure that fits the requirements of your suggestion.

 
Bull Dozier said:
What I read (wikipedia, knowledge bomb!) said expect a 2-4 pound weight gain, that will be lost quickly.  Is that not what to expect?

I don't lift, but plan to get into some light lifting.  My knees and shoulders are messed up, so I'm hoping to be able to do a couple of sets of just the bar.  I'm not sure that fits the requirements of your suggestion.
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Don't sweat it.  There are some people over on reddit keto and ketogains that would suggest that you would refeed in a manner that you go and do a huge weight day at or even above your maximum recoverable volume (MRV is the acronym they use).  Then after the MRV routine you go and eat a gigantic meal to break keto inside of about 2 hours, then take a nap or something lol.  This to me seems just laden with broscience, but whatever.

If you aren't sufficiently trained to do a MRV type split then discard this idea.  You should not risk injury. I misread a post and thought you said you were well trained, but this was someone else.

So at this point you basically need to find out a reasonable calories to break the keto fast, then refeed similar every 2 days until you reach some type of baseline (usually 5-6 pounds at a minimum) then restart Keto,  theory is that you will "restart" and bust the stall.

Many, many, many, many people disagree with this approach both anecdotally and through some degree of science.  So YMMV.  

 
culdeus said:
Don't sweat it.  There are some people over on reddit keto and ketogains that would suggest that you would refeed in a manner that you go and do a huge weight day at or even above your maximum recoverable volume (MRV is the acronym they use).  Then after the MRV routine you go and eat a gigantic meal to break keto inside of about 2 hours, then take a nap or something lol.  This to me seems just laden with broscience, but whatever.

If you aren't sufficiently trained to do a MRV type split then discard this idea.  You should not risk injury. I misread a post and thought you said you were well trained, but this was someone else.

So at this point you basically need to find out a reasonable calories to break the keto fast, then refeed similar every 2 days until you reach some type of baseline (usually 5-6 pounds at a minimum) then restart Keto,  theory is that you will "restart" and bust the stall.

Many, many, many, many people disagree with this approach both anecdotally and through some degree of science.  So YMMV.  
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First, five starts for the acronym definition.

By the bolded do you mean a baseline of 5-6 pounds of weight gain from where your stall is?

So, for example, I'm currently at 180.5  The idea would be to eat a carb laden diet every two days where my weight would maintain in the 186 range, and once reset there, go back to keto and the weight theoretically will fall past the 180.5?  Just want to make sure I'm understanding the idea correctly.

 
Bull Dozier said:
First, five starts for the acronym definition.

By the bolded do you mean a baseline of 5-6 pounds of weight gain from where your stall is?

So, for example, I'm currently at 180.5  The idea would be to eat a carb laden diet every two days where my weight would maintain in the 186 range, and once reset there, go back to keto and the weight theoretically will fall past the 180.5?  Just want to make sure I'm understanding the idea correctly.
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The refeed protocol that was popular 5+ years ago would have you use some really complex math and crap that is pretty pointless all things being equal.  Most of it was junk science to convince people it was ok to binge on yoohoos.  

At the end of the day the concept here is that you need to back up at least into a weight range that you were losing 1 pound a week from consistently.  That's going to probably be 5-6 pounds for the average person.  It might take a day to get there, might take 3, just weigh consistently.  

At that point just get back on keto and it all wooshes away and the momentum (in theory) will keep going, and the stall busts.

Most people nowadays just say to man up and wait it out.  

 
If you're stuck at 180.5 and just want to see a number starting with "17..." on the scale, do a one-day water-only fast. It will get you there. And since you're already keto-adapted, it shouldn't be that difficult.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
If you're stuck at 180.5 and just want to see a number starting with "17..." on the scale, do a one-day water-only fast. It will get you there. And since you're already keto-adapted, it shouldn't be that difficult.
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It is even easier to change it to KG.  I went from 201 to 91 overnight.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
If you're stuck at 180.5 and just want to see a number starting with "17..." on the scale, do a one-day water-only fast. It will get you there. And since you're already keto-adapted, it shouldn't be that difficult.
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Emotionally, and for the competition, yes I just want to see a number in the 170s.  Logically, I want to know the best way to bust a stall, because I assume I will hit another one when I am not at the end of a competition and want to get the weight loss train rolling again without arbitrary goals motivating me for a quick drop.

 
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