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[Ryan Klima]

Hey guys,

As everyone knows this is the super bowl week for fantasy football. I am the comish of a league and am getting questions about how the fumble recovery by Kevin Curtis yesterday should be scored. It shows a 1 (0 yrds) stat on the live scoring but no points are currently being awarded for it. There is not rule available that counts for or against this in our league rules. The touchdown points will make a difference in who wins the championship. Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

 

[saintsfan]

Hey guys,As everyone knows this is the super bowl week for fantasy football. I am the comish of a league and am getting questions about how the fumble recovery by Kevin Curtis yesterday should be scored. It shows a 1 (0 yrds) stat on the live scoring but no points are currently being awarded for it. There is not rule available that counts for or against this in our league rules. The touchdown points will make a difference in who wins the championship. Any advice is appreciated.Thanks

We had this come up a few years ago.If you have a rule stating that fumble recoveries for TDs count for the guy recovering it, it should be counted as a TD.If you don't have a rule in place for this, it shouldn't be scored, no matter how much the teams complain. If teams quit because of this, so be it. Next season, add this rule into your scoring system, but for God sake, don't change the scoring rules in the middle of the championship game.Be consistent. If you score this random play outside of your scoring rules now, it opens up a whole can of worms later.

 

[David Yudkin]

This should not be all that difficult. I am sure you guys use a website that uses a stat service. Whatever point the website gives him is what they give him and you have no say in the matter. MFL is not giving Curtis credit for the fumble recovery TD. It doesn't sound like your league software is either. IMO, you are not chartered to overturn scoring service decisions.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

If he picked it up at the 1 and walked in it would be a 1 yd TD so I see no reason that it not be a TD just because it was in the end zone. No Saints players ever had control of it so there was no change of possession.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

When an offensive player scores a touchdown on offense, he's always been given credit in the past. I don't know why that would change now just because your stat services are obviously mishandling this one.

 

[saintsfan]

If he picked it up at the 1 and walked in it would be a 1 yd TD so I see no reason that it not be a TD just because it was in the end zone. No Saints players ever had control of it so there was no change of possession.

It depends upon how he has his scoring rules setup.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

If he picked it up at the 1 and walked in it would be a 1 yd TD so I see no reason that it not be a TD just because it was in the end zone. No Saints players ever had control of it so there was no change of possession.

 

[BaBastage]

Our league has a rule for this situation. The offensive player recovering the TD get credit for the touchdown, but not the yards prefacing the fumble.

I understand not wanting to over-regulate one's league, but then situations like this crop up. If money's on the line, it's better to have these scenarios laid out in the rule.

Good luck!

 

[saintsfan]

When an offensive player scores a touchdown an offense, he's always been given credit in the past. I don't know why that would change now just because your stat services are obviously mishandling this one.

Even if the scoring rules in your league don't give credit for a fumble recovery for a TD??If that's the case, then your league gives credit for all TDs and the person who ends up with the ball in the endzone gets credit. That's fine, but you must have a rule that specifically states that. You can't make a rule up in the middle of a championship game.

 

[Da Guru]

A TD is a TD. TD for Curtis.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

When an offensive player scores a touchdown an offense, he's always been given credit in the past. I don't know why that would change now just because your stat services are obviously mishandling this one.

Even if the scoring rules in your league don't give credit for a fumble recovery for a TD??If that's the case, then your league gives credit for all TDs and the person who ends up with the ball in the endzone gets credit. That's fine, but you must have a rule that specifically states that. You can't make a rule up in the middle of a championship game.

I could swear that they've always been given credit for a fumble recovery TD in the past, but for some reason it's different with Kevin Curtis.I could be wrong, but it "seems" like this has happened on several occasions in the past, and the players were always rewarded with the TD.

 

[David Yudkin]

If he picked it up at the 1 and walked in it would be a 1 yd TD so I see no reason that it not be a TD just because it was in the end zone. No Saints players ever had control of it so there was no change of possession.

Many leagues do not give credit for fumble recovery scoring or yardage in any way, shape, or form as it is technically not passing, catching, or rushing yardage. That play fits none of those categories.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

A TD is a TD. TD for Curtis.

I can't remember a situation ever where an offensive player scored a TD on offense and it was not counted.

 

[56]

A TD is a TD. TD for Curtis.

Agreed. It is a TD run for Curtis of 0 Yds.

 

[Utter Chaos]

It depends on what is written in your league rules. Since the touchdown was not a receiving or rushing touchdown it doesn't matter if it was recovered in the end zone or recovered at the 5 and ran in.

If your leagues rules state 6 points for rushing touchdowns and 6 points for receiving touchdowns and nothing about offensive fumble touchdowns than I say 0 points for Curtis.

Also, if it is not covered in your league rules it should be added for next year. I have examples of strange plays specifically covered in my league rules.

RB takes handoff at the 5 and runs toward the goal line.  He fumbles at the one where it is recovered in the end zone by a WR for a TD.  SCORING: RB gets .4 for yardage rushed, DT/ST gets nothing since there was no change in possession, the WR gets nothing since it wasn’t a rushing or receiving TD.

There was another play that caused confusion a couple of years ago involving Keenan McCardell. This example is now detailed in our rules as well.

QB throws an interception to a Linebacker.  While returning the interception LB is hit and fumbles the ball.  WR picks it up and runs for a TD.  SCORING: QB gets –1 for INT, the DT/ST of the LB gets 1 for the INT, the DT/ST of the WR gets 1 for the fumble recovery and 6 for the TD, the WR gets nothing since once the ball was intercepted he became a defensive player.

 

[Ryan Klima]

Thanks for all the replies. Since there is obviously a bit of mixed opinions on this does it seem democratic to put this to a league members vote?

We dont have any rule for a non-defensive player even available to account for this situation so i cant change it on the site we use for next year unless they add it.

What doesnt make sense is why show this at all on the live scoring page if they arent going to count it. This may not matter in the end as they player it didnt count for still has Gates playing tonight and is down by 7 points but just want to make sure I have all the information to make the best call possible here.

WR • Kevin Curtis • PHI

PHI @ NO • Final

Rec: 6/78 TD: 1 (7)

Fmbl TD: 1 (1)

 

[Utter Chaos]

A TD is a TD. TD for Curtis.

Agreed. It is a TD run for Curtis of 0 Yds.

It is not a touchdown run, it's a fumble recovery. If it was a run than Curtis would have had a stat line for rushing in the game summary which he didn't have.

 

[saintsfan]

Thanks for all the replies. Since there is obviously a bit of mixed opinions on this does it seem democratic to put this to a league members vote? We dont have any rule for a non-defensive player even available to account for this situation so i cant change it on the site we use for next year unless they add it.What doesnt make sense is why show this at all on the live scoring page if they arent going to count it. This may not matter in the end as they player it didnt count for still has Gates playing tonight and is down by 7 points but just want to make sure I have all the information to make the best call possible here.WR • Kevin Curtis • PHIPHI @ NO • FinalRec: 6/78 TD: 1 (7)Fmbl TD: 1 (1)

I wouldn't put it up for a vote. It's either in your scoring rules or it's not. If it is, it should be scored. If it's not, it shouldn't be.Now, whether or not that rule is added to your scoring in the future can be put up for a vote, but you shouldn't let a vote decide your league championship.You're the Commish. It's your job to make decisions like this. Next year, you need to tighten up your scoring rules OR make it clear that no plays will be scored outside of the scoring rules outlined in your league charter. That's what I do. I don't pretend to be able to anticipate every single scenario, so I have a line in the league rules about plays that fall outside the normal scoring rules will not be scored. That way, there is no confusion. The next year, the offended party is free to suggest any changes to the scoring rules they deem necessary and the league will vote on it.I would stick with the outlined rules, always.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This should not be all that difficult. I am sure you guys use a website that uses a stat service. Whatever point the website gives him is what they give him and you have no say in the matter. MFL is not giving Curtis credit for the fumble recovery TD. It doesn't sound like your league software is either. IMO, you are not chartered to overturn scoring service decisions.

my MFL gave it to him... had that in there since the beginning of the yr... I have been screwd on this once before.

 

[SigEp316]

Should be a D/ST TD for Philly.

Once the ball is loose, every player is on DEF/ST in our league.

 

[BroadwayG]

It depends on how your scoring is set up.

 

[fsufan]

Hey guys,As everyone knows this is the super bowl week for fantasy football. I am the comish of a league and am getting questions about how the fumble recovery by Kevin Curtis yesterday should be scored. It shows a 1 (0 yrds) stat on the live scoring but no points are currently being awarded for it. There is not rule available that counts for or against this in our league rules. The touchdown points will make a difference in who wins the championship. Any advice is appreciated.Thanks

I am in the same boat as a commish and owner. I am down 18 PTs and have LT and Gates. The other guy is done and has Curtis. I hope I win by 7 or more or lose so this will not be a problem. My league does not have a rule for or against. we use CBS and a TD like this has to be set up under a misc. offensive TD category. Our scoring rules have been in place for 10 years, yes I know it should of been discovered by now but it has not be a problem till now. But here is an example. we do not have a rule for or against kick off or punt returns and all owners know a player like MJD,for example, would NOT get credit for a TD of this kind. I rules stat TDs are rewarded for rushing, passing and rec. The Curtis TD does not fall into any of these categories. note we do not do DEF or ST

 

[fsufan]

If he picked it up at the 1 and walked in it would be a 1 yd TD so I see no reason that it not be a TD just because it was in the end zone. No Saints players ever had control of it so there was no change of possession.

would this way still be considered a offensive fumble recovery TD but just from the 1

 

[David Yudkin]

This should not be all that difficult. I am sure you guys use a website that uses a stat service. Whatever point the website gives him is what they give him and you have no say in the matter. MFL is not giving Curtis credit for the fumble recovery TD. It doesn't sound like your league software is either. IMO, you are not chartered to overturn scoring service decisions.

my MFL gave it to him... had that in there since the beginning of the yr... I have been screwd on this once before.

My MFL leagues are giving him credit for 1 TD. He scored twice yesterday. I would check to see how your league(s) scored it.

 

[CrossEyed]

It certainly should be scored a TD. But if your league rules don't allow for offensive fumble recoveries that could get a little sticky. Whatever you do, make sure you change the rule in the offseason.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

When an offensive player scores a touchdown an offense, he's always been given credit in the past. I don't know why that would change now just because your stat services are obviously mishandling this one.

Even if the scoring rules in your league don't give credit for a fumble recovery for a TD??If that's the case, then your league gives credit for all TDs and the person who ends up with the ball in the endzone gets credit. That's fine, but you must have a rule that specifically states that. You can't make a rule up in the middle of a championship game.

TD scores 6 pts(the DE position scores a TD by fumble, interception or blocked kick returns)

this covers it, right? there is no need to complicate it any more than this unless you are seeking complication. And, as we all know, as Einstein said, "Everything should be as simple as possible but no simpler."

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Hey guys,As everyone knows this is the super bowl week for fantasy football. I am the comish of a league and am getting questions about how the fumble recovery by Kevin Curtis yesterday should be scored. It shows a 1 (0 yrds) stat on the live scoring but no points are currently being awarded for it. There is not rule available that counts for or against this in our league rules. The touchdown points will make a difference in who wins the championship. Any advice is appreciated.Thanks

I am in the same boat as a commish and owner. I am down 18 PTs and have LT and Gates. The other guy is done and has Curtis. I hope I win by 7 or more or lose so this will not be a problem. My league does not have a rule for or against. we use CBS and a TD like this has to be set up under a misc. offensive TD category. Our scoring rules have been in place for 10 years, yes I know it should of been discovered by now but it has not be a problem till now. But here is an example. we do not have a rule for or against kick off or punt returns and all owners know a player like MJD,for example, would NOT get credit for a TD of this kind. I rules stat TDs are rewarded for rushing, passing and rec. The Curtis TD does not fall into any of these categories. note we do not do DEF or ST

I think you've overcomplicated, but it is clear that this is not a score in your league.

 

[fsufan]

Hey guys,As everyone knows this is the super bowl week for fantasy football. I am the comish of a league and am getting questions about how the fumble recovery by Kevin Curtis yesterday should be scored. It shows a 1 (0 yrds) stat on the live scoring but no points are currently being awarded for it. There is not rule available that counts for or against this in our league rules. The touchdown points will make a difference in who wins the championship. Any advice is appreciated.Thanks

I am in the same boat as a commish and owner. I am down 18 PTs and have LT and Gates. The other guy is done and has Curtis. I hope I win by 7 or more or lose so this will not be a problem. My league does not have a rule for or against. we use CBS and a TD like this has to be set up under a misc. offensive TD category. Our scoring rules have been in place for 10 years, yes I know it should of been discovered by now but it has not be a problem till now. But here is an example. we do not have a rule for or against kick off or punt returns and all owners know a player like MJD,for example, would NOT get credit for a TD of this kind. I rules stat TDs are rewarded for rushing, passing and rec. The Curtis TD does not fall into any of these categories. note we do not do DEF or ST

I think you've overcomplicated, but it is clear that this is not a score in your league.

yes I am but I know my opponent, he will make a BIG deal of this if he loses by less than 7 PTs

 

[s_ezy]

Simliar play happened last year involving Philly.

for nfl.com:

On third-and-15 from the Eagles 45, McNabb completed a 20-yard pass to Reggie Brown near the right sideline. Brown appeared to try to lateral the ball as he was being hit by Shawn Springs, but he actually fumbled.

The ball popped straight into the arms of a streaking Correll Buckhalter, who caught it and sprinted 37 yards down the sideline for his first TD since 2003.

many scoring systems counted this as a completion for buckhalter and not brown, along with TDs for both Buckhalter and McNabb.

 

[[scooter]]

This should not be all that difficult. I am sure you guys use a website that uses a stat service. Whatever point the website gives him is what they give him and you have no say in the matter.

Wow, for a hardcore FBG that's a pretty pathetic answer. "Whatever they say is good enough for me"?? So, you are advocating different outcomes based solely on which league management service you belong to??It was an offensive TD, plain and simple. Just because a computer system isn't capable of recognizing that, it doesn't mean it shouldn't count.

What does your common sense tell you about the score? Was it a TD? Yes. Was it scored by an offensive player? Yes. Then what's the problem here? Give him the 6 points.

If computers didn't exist, Curtis would get 6 points.

 

[[scooter]]

It depends on what is written in your league rules.

I would agree with this ONLY if your rules specifically exclude fumble-recovery TDs. I think it's ridiculous to penalize someone simply because your league didn't have the foresight to account for every possible method of scoring a touchdown.

There was another play that caused confusion a couple of years ago involving Keenan McCardell. This example is now detailed in our rules as well.

QB throws an interception to a Linebacker.  While returning the interception LB is hit and fumbles the ball.  WR picks it up and runs for a TD.  SCORING: QB gets –1 for INT, the DT/ST of the LB gets 1 for the INT, the DT/ST of the WR gets 1 for the fumble recovery and 6 for the TD, the WR gets nothing since once the ball was intercepted he became a defensive player.

Wow, what a screwed up explanation. In the very least, why don't you give the LB -1 for the lost fumble?

 

[David Yudkin]

This should not be all that difficult. I am sure you guys use a website that uses a stat service. Whatever point the website gives him is what they give him and you have no say in the matter.

Wow, for a hardcore FBG that's a pretty pathetic answer. "Whatever they say is good enough for me"??It was an offensive TD, plain and simple. Just because a computer system isn't capable of recognizing that, it doesn't mean it shouldn't count.

What does your common sense tell you about the score? Was it a TD? Yes. Was it scored by an offensive player? Yes. Then what's the problem here? Give him the 6 points.

If computers didn't exist, Curtis would get 6 points.

The reason I say go with the way the scoring system scored it is that is a) normally written into the league rules and b) computer coded to include the exact scoring rules of the league.A commish IS NOT supposed to review every play, box score, and outcome and pick and chose which ones to rule on. Most leagues use letters "a" and "b" above because that covers everything in the legue rules and alleviates the nastiness of having to get the commish in the middle and force league votes for things that have already been determined by league rules.

For example, some leagues have fumple recoveries listed as a special teams play and not an offensive play for the reasons I outlined earlier. It's not a pass, it's not a rush, and it's not a reception, so mathmatically it needs to go in a column and the column it would go under is a RETURN TD. Some leagues allow these types of TD (just like kickoffs, interceptions, or punt returns) but count them under DEF/ST. Some leagues allow return TDs to be scored by individual players.

Which brings me back to sqaure one . . . the league software interfaces with the socring service and the two of them in tandem should be used as the arbiter of the league rules. If there is nothing in the league rules one way or the other, then how do you invent rules AFTER the play happened?

Taking it to a league vote now, after the fact, will only serve to cost one team or the other a win--which after the fact is wrong IMO.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

This should not be all that difficult. I am sure you guys use a website that uses a stat service. Whatever point the website gives him is what they give him and you have no say in the matter.

Wow, for a hardcore FBG that's a pretty pathetic answer. "Whatever they say is good enough for me"??It was an offensive TD, plain and simple. Just because a computer system isn't capable of recognizing that, it doesn't mean it shouldn't count.

What does your common sense tell you about the score? Was it a TD? Yes. Was it scored by an offensive player? Yes. Then what's the problem here? Give him the 6 points.

If computers didn't exist, Curtis would get 6 points.

The reason I say go with the way the scoring system scored it is that is a) normally written into the league rules and b) computer coded to include the exact scoring rules of the league.A commish IS NOT supposed to review every play, box score, and outcome and pick and chose which ones to rule on. Most leagues use letters "a" and "b" above because that covers everything in the legue rules and alleviates the nastiness of having to get the commish in the middle and force league votes for things that have already been determined by league rules.

For example, some leagues have fumple recoveries listed as a special teams play and not an offensive play for the reasons I outlined earlier. It's not a pass, it's not a rush, and it's not a reception, so mathmatically it needs to go in a column and the column it would go under is a RETURN TD. Some leagues allow these types of TD (just like kickoffs, interceptions, or punt returns) but count them under DEF/ST. Some leagues allow return TDs to be scored by individual players.

Which brings me back to sqaure one . . . the league software interfaces with the socring service and the two of them in tandem should be used as the arbiter of the league rules. If there is nothing in the league rules one way or the other, then how do you invent rules AFTER the play happened?

Taking it to a league vote now, after the fact, will only serve to cost one team or the other a win--which after the fact is wrong IMO.

I agree with this statement personally, but at the same time I can see the argument for the 6 points for Curtis as well. I am a league commish, and I am currently in the finals against the Curtis owner. We are working on a way to deal with this issue. I have proposed that if the 6 points ends up being the difference in the final score, then we split the title and the money. I think ultimately it should come down to the software's scoring of the stated league rules, but I think the title would have an asterisk next to it - and there is enough asterisk talk these days. Splitting a title is lame, but in this case it may be the best solution to avoid hard feelings. Especially if it is a big money league.

 

[[scooter]]

Which brings me back to sqaure one . . . the league software interfaces with the socring service and the two of them in tandem should be used as the arbiter of the league rules. If there is nothing in the league rules one way or the other, then how do you invent rules AFTER the play happened?

It's not a matter of "inventing" a rule. It's a matter of applying your own rules and/or common sense to the limitations of computer software. Just because your commish neglected to select "Include all Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs" (or just because you signed up for a service that doesn't count them), that doesn't mean that you wanted to exclude such TDs. It just means that you had no idea that such a distinction would be made by the computer. Besides, you can make an argument that you're still "inventing" a rule if you choose to exclude that TD.In the pre-computer era, one of my leagues had a simple rule: "All Offensive TDs = 6 points". That's our rule. So it makes no difference if MFL or CBS or a neglectful commissioner failed to set up that option in the league software. It's just common sense.

The true arbiter of this debate should be to ask the following question: If computers didn't exist, how would you have scored the play?

A commish IS NOT supposed to review every play, box score, and outcome and pick and chose which ones to rule on.

You make it sound like a commish could choose to apply rules unevenly, which is not what I'm arguing at all. But what's wrong with a commish reviewing every box score? That's the way fantasy football worked in the pre-internet era!

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I respect everyone's opinion, but I think many are headed in the wrong direction. This isn't a "you need more rules" solution. If anything, you need fewer rules. I think some leagues are getting hyper-technical and losing sight of the game.

Was a TD scored? Did the NFL give the Eagles six points? Who scored the TD? It's that simple. Curtis scored a TD. His name is in the box score, he gets credit for it if he had a bonus in his contract, and the Eagles got the points. Logic doesn't have to be the enemy of the rulebook. Unless you have a rule stating that the ONLY way you can score a TD is by running, passing or catching it into the end zone...it's a TD for Curtis. If the other team complains, the response is simple: Curtis scored that touchdown, and touchdowns are worth six points. Can't argue with that.

 

[Road Warriors]

Most scoring rules are set up as rushing, receiving and passing TDs. I think that if the scoring system doesn't spell it out, it shouldn't count.

 

[David Yudkin]

I respect everyone's opinion, but I think many are headed in the wrong direction. This isn't a "you need more rules" solution. If anything, you need fewer rules. I think some leagues are getting hyper-technical and losing sight of the game.

Was a TD scored? Did the NFL give the Eagles six points? Who scored the TD? It's that simple. Curtis scored a TD. His name is in the box score, he gets credit for it if he had a bonus in his contract, and the Eagles got the points. Logic doesn't have to be the enemy of the rulebook. Unless you have a rule stating that the ONLY way you can score a TD is by running, passing or catching it into the end zone...it's a TD for Curtis. If the other team complains, the response is simple: Curtis scored that touchdown, and touchdowns are worth six points. Can't argue with that.

I don't think anyone is arguing whether Curtis scored a TD or not. The question is whether all TD should be applied to each player. If Curtis scored a TD on a kick return would that count? How about if he played one play on defense and he ran back a fumble? I don't think it's as clear cut as people are making this out to be (thank you, Keenan McCardell).I'm not saying that automatically Curtis should or should not get a TD on this play, as it will vary from league to league based on their rules. Leagues will either have rules on this or they won't, and it's the latter group that will be pointing fingers as to what the rules may or may not mean.

 

[BaBastage]

It's not a matter of "inventing" a rule. It's a matter of applying your own rules and/or common sense to the limitations of computer software. Just because your commish neglected to select "Include all Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs" (or just because you signed up for a service that doesn't count them), that doesn't mean that you wanted to exclude such TDs. It just means that you had no idea that such a distinction would be made by the computer. Besides, you can make an argument that you're still "inventing" a rule if you choose to exclude that TD.

In the pre-computer era, one of my leagues had a simple rule: "All Offensive TDs = 6 points". That's our rule. So it makes no difference if MFL or CBS or a neglectful commissioner failed to set up that option in the league software. It's just common sense.

The true arbiter of this debate should be to ask the following question: If computers didn't exist, how would you have scored the play?

I've got to side with DY here. Rules need to be interpreted ver batim, especially in times like this.You could argue that you want to enforce "the spirit of the rule", but not the actual wording of the rule. But who's to say that there aren't owners in your league that had thought all along that a fumble recover wasn't a to be scored as a TD? Have any other owners been affected by this in the past but didn't contest the results because they felt it was intentional? Who determines the "spirit of the rule?" And putting it up to a vote after-the-fact is flirting with a popularity contest in my opinion.

With the absence of a clearly worded rule in place, it should fall to your scoring system to determine the final results. The role of commissioner is to enforce the rules as unbiased as possible.

Good luck though!

 

[[scooter]]

I don't think anyone is arguing whether Curtis scored a TD or not. The question is whether all TD should be applied to each player. If Curtis scored a TD on a kick return would that count?

This is a fair point, but it ignores the fact that such a TD would have been scored while on Special Teams, which is not the case here.Most leagues will already have rules set up that address how D/ST rules might be applied to individual players. But such a rule would have zero effect on this play.

If you want to argue that Curtis shouldn't get the points, then who should get the points? The Philly D/ST? Or do you think that the points should just disappear into thin air?

 

[[scooter]]

With the absence of a clearly worded rule in place, it should fall to your scoring system to determine the final results. The role of commissioner is to enforce the rules as unbiased as possible.

So, if I'm the commish of 2 leagues (both with identical rules), and we use 2 different services......then I have to make 2 different rulings just because of the way those services run their operation? How is that unbiased?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

With the absence of a clearly worded rule in place, it should fall to your scoring system to determine the final results. The role of commissioner is to enforce the rules as unbiased as possible.

So, if I'm the commish of 2 leagues (both with identical rules), and we use 2 different services......then I have to make 2 different rulings just because of the way those services run their operation? How is that unbiased?

I see your point, but in this example the commish is not making any rulings at all. He is simply following the way that the league's software scores the play. No bias involved.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

In CBS scoring there is a setting for this category. If your league is set up to check the box to allow 6 pts for any offensive player (or can be limited to a WR, RB, or QB) that scores a TD on a fumble recovery than CBS will give you 6 pts. If you have not activated this feature (under "Advanced Scoring Option") than Curtis will NOT get any points.

I strongly suggest 0 pts unless your league has this bonus category invoked prior to the season. I also strongly suggest adding it during the off season.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Hey guys,As everyone knows this is the super bowl week for fantasy football. I am the comish of a league and am getting questions about how the fumble recovery by Kevin Curtis yesterday should be scored. It shows a 1 (0 yrds) stat on the live scoring but no points are currently being awarded for it. There is not rule available that counts for or against this in our league rules. The touchdown points will make a difference in who wins the championship. Any advice is appreciated.Thanks

It's a FUMBLE RECOVERY TD. It's not anything else. It's not recieving yards, its not rushing yards, it's not passing yards. It's FUMBLE RECOVERY YARDS for a FUMBLE RECOVERY TD. Sportsline has a specific scoring metric for that, as does any other respectable site. Check your rules and see whether this could have been scored legally.Having a poll without including this option suggests that you dont know how your own scoring system works.

 

[cholo]

What if McNabb had recovered his own fumble for the TD? Would anyone argue that he shouldn't get those points?

 

[Sweeper]

Check out the Eagles D/St stats. Did they get the points for the TD?

If that is the case, there's your answer. Eagles D/St gets the points and Curtis does not because two players can't get TD points from one TD. Those points can only be assigned to one player, Curtis or Eagles D/ST.

 

[Ryan Klima]

Check out the Eagles D/St stats. Did they get the points for the TD?

If that is the case, there's your answer. Eagles D/St gets the points and Curtis does not because two players can't get TD points from one TD. Those points can only be assigned to one player, Curtis or Eagles D/ST.

As I have stated before my league software (Fanball) does not have a rule option for this either way. It sounds like from feedback from other users on their forum that this will be resolved on Tuesday when official score is posted. They are going to make it a TD for Curtis based on the scenario below from last year regarding how they scored a McAllister situation that was similiar. Looks like the site is handling this they way that I see as correct since there wasnt the capacity to select a score/no score in this scenario.Thanks again for all the spirited feedback.

Fanball's response to my inquiry on the Curtis fumble recovery.

"Thank you for contacting Fanball Customer Service. Offensive players are not awarded fumble recovery TD’s. Offensive players only receive points for rushing, passing, receiving, and kick/punt return (if your league uses this rule) TD’s and not fumble recoveries for TD’s. As with fumble recoveries by offensive players this play was credited to the Eagles defense because technically even though the offense was on the field however, when they ball is fumbled they are technically on defense at that point and thus the points are awarded to the Eagles defense. If you feel that Curtis should be awarded the points then you or the commissioner will need to use the scoring override function. Thank you"

Last year Week 10, McAllister picked up a fumble and scored a 4yd TD. They scored it as a 4 yard TD for McAllister. I wish Fanball could be consistent in their scoring.

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most recent response from Fanball after showing them how they scored the McAllister TD last year.

"Thank you for contacting Fanball Customer Service. We apologize for the confusion however, we just were contacted by our programmers and were notified that on Tuesday when the scoring is finalized Kevin Curtis will be credited with a 1 yard rushing TD. Thank you"

So it supposedly will be credited to him tomorrow.

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buddah_jenkins

Member # 217902

Posted - Today, 2:07p CT

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good thing i have a 7pt lead.

DoubleD2572

Member # 61609

Posted - Today, 2:41p CT

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I contacted Fanball and this is their response.

Your question/comment:

OTHER: I have a question regarding the touchdown scored by Kevin Curtis of the eagles on the fumble recovery. It shows he has the td but no points are awarded for it. My league is set up to award points for touchdowns as a result of fumble recoveries. Why wouldn't this be scored?

Fanball response:

Thank you for contacting Fanball Customer Service. Offensive players are not awarded fumble recovery TD’s. Offensive players only receive points for rushing, passing, receiving, and kick/punt return (if your league uses this rule) TD’s and not fumble recoveries for TD’s. As with fumble recoveries by offensive players this play was credited to the Eagles defense because technically even though the offense was on the field however, when they ball is fumbled they are technically on defense at that point and thus the points are awarded to the Eagles defense. If you feel that Curtis should be awarded the points then you or the commissioner will need to use the scoring override function. Thank you

 

[moderated]

It was counted as a lost fumble for McNabb even though it was recovered by his own team. Does anyone have an issue with that part of the scoring?

 

[[scooter]]

Fanball's response to my inquiry on the Curtis fumble recovery.

"Thank you for contacting Fanball Customer Service. Offensive players are not awarded fumble recovery TD’s. Offensive players only receive points for rushing, passing, receiving, and kick/punt return (if your league uses this rule) TD’s and not fumble recoveries for TD’s. As with fumble recoveries by offensive players this play was credited to the Eagles defense because technically even though the offense was on the field however, when they ball is fumbled they are technically on defense at that point and thus the points are awarded to the Eagles defense. If you feel that Curtis should be awarded the points then you or the commissioner will need to use the scoring override function. Thank you"

Wow, what a bunch of morons.Imagine this scenario:

1. McNabb takes the snap and fumbles the ball

ACCORDING TO FANBALL, McNABB IS NOW ON DEFENSE!

2. McNabb recovers the fumble.

3. McNabb then throws a TD pass

So, does Fanball give the TD pass to the Defense?

 

[Ryan Klima]

Fanball's response to my inquiry on the Curtis fumble recovery.

"Thank you for contacting Fanball Customer Service. Offensive players are not awarded fumble recovery TD’s. Offensive players only receive points for rushing, passing, receiving, and kick/punt return (if your league uses this rule) TD’s and not fumble recoveries for TD’s. As with fumble recoveries by offensive players this play was credited to the Eagles defense because technically even though the offense was on the field however, when they ball is fumbled they are technically on defense at that point and thus the points are awarded to the Eagles defense. If you feel that Curtis should be awarded the points then you or the commissioner will need to use the scoring override function. Thank you"

Wow, what a bunch of morons.Imagine this scenario:

1. McNabb takes the snap and fumbles the ball

ACCORDING TO FANBALL, McNABB IS NOW ON DEFENSE!

2. McNabb recovers the fumble.

3. McNabb then throws a TD pass

So, does Fanball give the TD pass to the Defense?

Yes that is dumb but this is the key statement which actually came after the statement you make reference to:"Thank you for contacting Fanball Customer Service. We apologize for the confusion however, we just were contacted by our programmers and were notified that on Tuesday when the scoring is finalized Kevin Curtis will be credited with a 1 yard rushing TD. Thank you"

Bottom line is that it will count as a TD which I agree with.

 

[fsufan]

Hey guys,As everyone knows this is the super bowl week for fantasy football. I am the comish of a league and am getting questions about how the fumble recovery by Kevin Curtis yesterday should be scored. It shows a 1 (0 yrds) stat on the live scoring but no points are currently being awarded for it. There is not rule available that counts for or against this in our league rules. The touchdown points will make a difference in who wins the championship. Any advice is appreciated.Thanks

I am in the same boat as a commish and owner. I am down 18 PTs and have LT and Gates. The other guy is done and has Curtis. I hope I win by 7 or more or lose so this will not be a problem. My league does not have a rule for or against. we use CBS and a TD like this has to be set up under a misc. offensive TD category. Our scoring rules have been in place for 10 years, yes I know it should of been discovered by now but it has not be a problem till now. But here is an example. we do not have a rule for or against kick off or punt returns and all owners know a player like MJD,for example, would NOT get credit for a TD of this kind. I rules stat TDs are rewarded for rushing, passing and rec. The Curtis TD does not fall into any of these categories. note we do not do DEF or ST

LT and gates has been pulled and we are tied 74 to 74. the first tiebreaker is decimal scoring. with this I win 81.3 to 79. 25 . but this guy has Curtis and will protest he wins because HE thinks he should get credit for the fumbled recovery TD. but our rules clearly stat we only give 6 PTs for passing, rushing and rec TDs.