I have seen a lot of information well I should speculation. They said worst kind of injury, but was the surgery successful? After ACL injuries you often see successful surgery etc. What is the latest prognosis. I know we won't see much for about 3 months when he gets to put pressure on it and start working it out. I think KJ is a warrior and will be back for beginning of next year, may have some pain, but I believe that he will be ready for next year. Am I crazy? Hopeful? What? Does anyone have any good information to share, or thoughts? I own the guy and fell in love with him this year in PPR league. I need him back! He is young and is a stud!
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Thanks for the sarcasm doc....Well anyways I guess you can predict the future, there is no chance he could come back weeks before the calendar year. I gave the ACL injury example because they announce successful surgeries often after that surgery. There is has to be a successful surgery for KJ's injury or unsuccessful surgery. Your comment is the type of stuff that makes me look at other boards.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere, can you provide a link to this that he's guaranteed to miss at least a calender year? TIA
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Edited to remove Patrick Jeffers as an example. Anyone know who's career has ended because of this injury?The injury he had can very well threaten his career.The Lisfranc injury is named for the French surgeon Jacques Lisfranc in Napoleon’s army. The Lisfranc injury is an injury to one of the small joints of the midfoot. The injury occurs when there is a dislocation or fracture and dislocation between the forefoot and midfoot joints. Why is it called a Lisfranc injury?The original injury described by Lisfranc usually occurred when a soldier fell from his horse, but his foot did not release from the stirrup--or so the story goes... The present day most common mechanism of this injury is when someone steps into a small hole, and the foot is unusually twisted with a great amount of force pushing down as well. However, there are many other means to sustain this type of injury including sports, falls, and automobile accidents. What is the Lisfranc joint?The foot can be thought to consist of three primary parts. The forefoot area consisting of the toes; the midfoot made up of the small bones called the navicular, cuneiform, and cuboid; and the hindfoot consisting of the talus (lower ankle) and calcaneus (heel). The Lisfranc joint is the space between the bones of the forefoot and midfoot. The Lisfranc injury is an injury to the ligaments that connects these joints. Sometimes the injury is a simple dislocation (ligament injury) or a fracture and dislocation. The dislocation is a separation of the normal joints between the forefoot and midfoot. The fracture usually occurs in the midfoot bones. How is a Lisfranc injury diagnosed?Often this injury can be quite subtle on x-ray appearance. In order to better clarify the injury, sometimes it is necessary to apply a force to the foot in order to emphasize the dislocation. Also common is to perform an x-ray view of the normal foot as well as the abnormal foot in order to better define the injury. What is the treatment of a Lisfranc injury?Most often the treatment of a Lisfranc injury is surgical, although some minor injuries can be treated conservatively. If there is minimal displacement of the bones, a stiff walking cast applied for approximately eight weeks is an appropriate alternative. However, the more common treatment is to secure the fractured and dislocated bones with either internal (screws) or external (pins) fixation. Healing is complicated in patients who sustain a Lisfranc injury. The most common complication of the Lisfranc injury is post-traumatic arthritis of the joint. Post-traumatic arthritis mimics degenerative arthritis, but its course is accelerated because of severe injury to a joint. This can lead to chronic pain in the injured joint, and may necessitate fusion of the joint in order to prevent chronic debilitating pain. Another complication is called a compartment syndrome. The compartment syndrome occurs when traumatic injury causes swelling and bleeding to raise the pressure within the tissues of your body. If the pressure is raised sufficiently within a restricted area, the vascular supply to that area may become compromised, and this can lead to serious complications.
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Jeffers had injuries to both his knees, not his Lisfranc.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You are correct. Sorry for the mis-information about Jeffers.Here is some more info about LisFranc injuries -
Media Center: Press Releases
July 30, 2004
Career Ending Foot Injury of the Rise Among Elite Athletes
Seattle, WA – July 30, 2004: Orthopaedic surgeons are finding an increase in the number of serious foot injuries among elite athletes according to a study presented at the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society’s (AOFAS) annual summer meeting today. These include Lisfranc (midfoot) injuries, potentially career ending injuries often misdiagnosed as sprains. The study found that aggressive surgical repair is often necessary in such injuries to allow a return to the sport.
“Injuries of the foot are increasing among elite athletes while all other injuries are decreasing,” said Robert Anderson, M.D., Charlotte, NC, senior author of the study and team physician to the North Carolina Panthers. “Lisfranc injuries in particular are a concern because they are often misdiagnosed as sprains. Physicians need to be aware that any midfoot injury is potentially serious and aggressive treatment may be needed.” Dr. Anderson attributes the increase in foot injuries to three factors: 1) Elite athletes are physically stronger, bigger, and faster, increasing the forces that athletes’ feet are exposed to; 2) Elite athletes are wearing light weight shoes so they can run faster; and 3) changes in playing surfaces.The Lisfranc injury is the rupture of a key ligament connecting the midfoot to the forefoot. The injury is often misdiagnosed as a simple foot sprain because X-ray abnormalities can be very subtle.
To understand the correlation between lisfranc injuries and elite athletes, Dr. Anderson, and his fellow Matthew Dean Hammit, MD, studied two collegiate and seven professional football players injured from October 2000 to August 2003. All were diagnosed with a variant of the Lisfranc injury. Seven of the nine patients underwent surgery, and all nine patients returned to full athletic activity.
The study found that elite athletes are especially at risk for Lisfranc injuries. Football players typically sustain this injury when their feet are planted and they get tackled from behind. The tacking motion puts great force on the mid-foot, causing a rupture of the ligament.
New types of more forgiving playing surfaces are being developed that may reduce foot injuries. The newest product, called Turf, combines a plastic-like grass with tiny balls of rubber that act as padding, and appear like mud when seen on television. This surface is less abrasive, but athletes wear longer cleats for traction, and injuries still occur.
“A midfoot injury in a football player should be scrutinized because what may seem like a sprain initially could actually be a Lisfranc injury, which is potentially serious,” said Dr. Hammit. “Often, Lisfranc injuries will be recognized as sprains, and go untreated leaving the foot unstable.”
When elite athletes are improperly diagnosed they can suffer career ending injuries. Lisfranc injuries result in the inability to run and push off with their foot. “This injury to mid-portion of foot can have drastic consequences on an athlete’s ability to perform at a high level and can be debilitating,” said Dr. Hammit.
To ensure a proper diagnosis, Dr. Hammit recommends that patients see an orthopaedic surgeon and have a standing X-Ray taken. Standing X-rays put pressure on the foot, and allow an experienced doctor to see the subtlety of the injury. For proper recovery, Dr. Hammit stresses that the only real option is surgical treatment, rather than treatment with a cast.
Dr. Hammit noted that injury cannot be avoided completely, but “when properly diagnosed, the opportunity to achieve a full recovery can be reached.”
The AOFAS is the leading professional organization for orthopaedic surgeons specializing in disorders of the foot and ankle. Orthopaedic surgeons are medical doctors with extensive training in the diagnosis and treatment of the musculoskeletal system that includes bones, joints, ligaments, tendons, muscles, and nerves.
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That is awesome information! These are the posts that make this board so appealing! Thanks for the info. That is the best piece of info I have seen.You are correct. Sorry for the mis-information about Jeffers.Here is some more info about LisFranc injuries -
Media Center: Press Releases
July 30, 2004
Career Ending Foot Injury of the Rise Among Elite Athletes
Seattle, WA – July 30, 2004: Orthopaedic surgeons are finding an increase in the number of serious foot injuries among elite athletes according to a study presented at the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society’s (AOFAS) annual summer meeting today. These include Lisfranc (midfoot) injuries, potentially career ending injuries often misdiagnosed as sprains. The study found that aggressive surgical repair is often necessary in such injuries to allow a return to the sport.
“Injuries of the foot are increasing among elite athletes while all other injuries are decreasing,” said Robert Anderson, M.D., Charlotte, NC, senior author of the study and team physician to the North Carolina Panthers. “Lisfranc injuries in particular are a concern because they are often misdiagnosed as sprains. Physicians need to be aware that any midfoot injury is potentially serious and aggressive treatment may be needed.” Dr. Anderson attributes the increase in foot injuries to three factors: 1) Elite athletes are physically stronger, bigger, and faster, increasing the forces that athletes’ feet are exposed to; 2) Elite athletes are wearing light weight shoes so they can run faster; and 3) changes in playing surfaces.The Lisfranc injury is the rupture of a key ligament connecting the midfoot to the forefoot. The injury is often misdiagnosed as a simple foot sprain because X-ray abnormalities can be very subtle.
To understand the correlation between lisfranc injuries and elite athletes, Dr. Anderson, and his fellow Matthew Dean Hammit, MD, studied two collegiate and seven professional football players injured from October 2000 to August 2003. All were diagnosed with a variant of the Lisfranc injury. Seven of the nine patients underwent surgery, and all nine patients returned to full athletic activity.
The study found that elite athletes are especially at risk for Lisfranc injuries. Football players typically sustain this injury when their feet are planted and they get tackled from behind. The tacking motion puts great force on the mid-foot, causing a rupture of the ligament.
New types of more forgiving playing surfaces are being developed that may reduce foot injuries. The newest product, called Turf, combines a plastic-like grass with tiny balls of rubber that act as padding, and appear like mud when seen on television. This surface is less abrasive, but athletes wear longer cleats for traction, and injuries still occur.
“A midfoot injury in a football player should be scrutinized because what may seem like a sprain initially could actually be a Lisfranc injury, which is potentially serious,” said Dr. Hammit. “Often, Lisfranc injuries will be recognized as sprains, and go untreated leaving the foot unstable.”
When elite athletes are improperly diagnosed they can suffer career ending injuries. Lisfranc injuries result in the inability to run and push off with their foot. “This injury to mid-portion of foot can have drastic consequences on an athlete’s ability to perform at a high level and can be debilitating,” said Dr. Hammit.
To ensure a proper diagnosis, Dr. Hammit recommends that patients see an orthopaedic surgeon and have a standing X-Ray taken. Standing X-rays put pressure on the foot, and allow an experienced doctor to see the subtlety of the injury. For proper recovery, Dr. Hammit stresses that the only real option is surgical treatment, rather than treatment with a cast.
Dr. Hammit noted that injury cannot be avoided completely, but “when properly diagnosed, the opportunity to achieve a full recovery can be reached.”
The AOFAS is the leading professional organization for orthopaedic surgeons specializing in disorders of the foot and ankle. Orthopaedic surgeons are medical doctors with extensive training in the diagnosis and treatment of the musculoskeletal system that includes bones, joints, ligaments, tendons, muscles, and nerves.
Jeffers had injuries to both his knees, not his Lisfranc. 
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
He died on the operating table.......oh no, wait, that was just his career.
There was no sarcasm intended.I meant that an ACL injury and this type of injury are completely different.
Here are the reasons why:
Lis Franc refers to an area of the midsection of the top of the foot.
To diagnose Lis Franc injuries, there are sprains and breaks.
Healing time is dependant on the type of sprain or break.
Breaks are worse than sprains for this injury.
Jones had a devastating break in this area.
The way to operate on this type of break is to literally screw or clamp the bones to the foot.
They have to screw it in place so that his toe bones will stay in the same place all the time.
His operation WAS successful, the doctors secured the top of his foot to the inside of his foot with screws or wires, not sure which one was done in this case.
I was basing the 12 months on the severity of the injury and the demands a skill position puts on this area of the foot.
But after reading this article below, I would guess that Jones will be rehabilitated in around 8 months, taking into account the factors above:
http://pfats.com/research/pubs/articles/lisfranc_injury.cfm
One thing to understand though - after the rehab, Jones will have a foot that is structurally different than it was before, it will not work the same way.
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Ozymandias
Footballguy
Lis franc...shmize franc.
You might have known those damn French would try to screw up our national game.
It's probably time to invade them again.
You might have known those damn French would try to screw up our national game.
It's probably time to invade them again.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I hear the French go to battle with gloves to slap their opponent. It's strange that they hate Americans after we've saved their arses so many times.
