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[Chadstroma]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

 

[redman]

Keyshawn is, uh, special.

 

[dudaman]

Brady to Chad 24 times, sets a new league record.

 

[nyftbl_giants]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

Yeah i put that right up there with Key's Notre Dame is not a special university comment. I have a special voice recognition box on my TV audio output that mutes automatically when key speaks

 

[Abraham]

I believe Moss and Gaffney are free agents.

 

[hauser42]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

Moss has to be resigned and I'm not sure Stallworth is brought back for the money he would get, so FA is not out of the realm to fix that spot. Moss technically is a free agent I think so they could be in the right. Your point is correct that they need to get younger in the back 7 to make this team carry on at the level it has become use to.

 

[John Mamula]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

Ocho Cinco > Moss

 

[redman]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

Ocho Cinco > Moss

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

Ocho Cinco > Moss

 

[Koya]

Hey, they couldnt score 15 on the Giants, they OBVIOUSLY need to work on the offense.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Key was pimping himself for a job with them.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Hey, they couldnt score 15 on the Giants, they OBVIOUSLY need to work on the offense.

I think they could stand to use some upgrading of the three ProBowlers on their o-line.

 

[Chadstroma]

You never know with Moss but I lean towards thinking Moss will play nice another season... take another pay cut to remain and come back to win. I think that this season was so close that he just is going to go crazy trying to win it. Then again, since we are speaking about Moss, I have already said in other threads that he could bolt for money and there is as much or greater a possibility that if he remains that he gets unhappy real fast because for him to remain he will not get paid and that might turn into a ego thing with him.

Let's say that Stallworth leaves and Moss stays as I think it will work out. Unless the Pats can get some way talented WR to come play with them at a huge discounted rate- why would they throw money at a WR to get them to play there when they have huge needs in the LB and DB positions? It makes no sense at all.

Then again, Key was calling for Coughlin's firing earlier this season (or so he confessed just now)

 

[Godsbrother]

You never know with Moss but I lean towards thinking Moss will play nice another season... take another pay cut to remain and come back to win. I think that this season was so close that he just is going to go crazy trying to win it. Then again, since we are speaking about Moss, I have already said in other threads that he could bolt for money and there is as much or greater a possibility that if he remains that he gets unhappy real fast because for him to remain he will not get paid and that might turn into a ego thing with him.

Let's say that Stallworth leaves and Moss stays as I think it will work out. Unless the Pats can get some way talented WR to come play with them at a huge discounted rate- why would they throw money at a WR to get them to play there when they have huge needs in the LB and DB positions? It makes no sense at all.

Then again, Key was calling for Coughlin's firing earlier this season (or so he confessed just now)

I could see Moss signing with Patriots for less than he could get on another team but I don't think there is any chance he's going to take a pay cut. That would be absolutely stupid.

 

[Banger]

You never know with Moss but I lean towards thinking Moss will play nice another season... take another pay cut to remain and come back to win. I think that this season was so close that he just is going to go crazy trying to win it. Then again, since we are speaking about Moss, I have already said in other threads that he could bolt for money and there is as much or greater a possibility that if he remains that he gets unhappy real fast because for him to remain he will not get paid and that might turn into a ego thing with him.

Let's say that Stallworth leaves and Moss stays as I think it will work out. Unless the Pats can get some way talented WR to come play with them at a huge discounted rate- why would they throw money at a WR to get them to play there when they have huge needs in the LB and DB positions? It makes no sense at all.

Then again, Key was calling for Coughlin's firing earlier this season (or so he confessed just now)

I could see Moss signing with Patriots for less than he could get on another team but I don't think there is any chance he's going to take a pay cut. That would be absolutely stupid.

Agreed. Plus someone will make a run at him with some big money.

 

[Road Warriors]

I believe Moss and Gaffney are free agents.

And Stallworth is due an 8 million dollar roster bonus and is a big cap hit if he stays on that deal. The only WR on the roster are Welker and Chad Jackson ( oh and Troy Brown, I guess )If the get Moss resigned, this will be a lower priority. Gaffney isn't getting big money, and I think he could slot into the #2 WR role that Stallworth played this year and be quite effective. However, there are a number of other WR that could fill that role well that will be available for cheap money. If they don't get Moss signed, the really will need to overhaul that position. No Moss = less Welker. You'd probably want an upgrade over a Gaffney type at the 2 if you don't have Moss as the 1. I'm curious to see how the FA period plays out in NE.

 

[Chadstroma]

You never know with Moss but I lean towards thinking Moss will play nice another season... take another pay cut to remain and come back to win. I think that this season was so close that he just is going to go crazy trying to win it. Then again, since we are speaking about Moss, I have already said in other threads that he could bolt for money and there is as much or greater a possibility that if he remains that he gets unhappy real fast because for him to remain he will not get paid and that might turn into a ego thing with him.

Let's say that Stallworth leaves and Moss stays as I think it will work out. Unless the Pats can get some way talented WR to come play with them at a huge discounted rate- why would they throw money at a WR to get them to play there when they have huge needs in the LB and DB positions? It makes no sense at all.

Then again, Key was calling for Coughlin's firing earlier this season (or so he confessed just now)

I could see Moss signing with Patriots for less than he could get on another team but I don't think there is any chance he's going to take a pay cut. That would be absolutely stupid.

Ok... so that even goes more to my point.... Moss and Stallworth leave... how do you upgrade that position?! And do you do so while watching your LB corp play while sipping Ensure and needing to change their Depends during the half?

 

[Garts]

Berrian would be a nice deep threat if Randy left

 

[Chadstroma]

Berrian would be a nice deep threat if Randy left

I know you did not say it... so I am just going to ask... is that an upgrade or a band aid?

 

[Chadstroma]

Key is HORRIBLE. He just talked again on ESPN and I have no idea what he just said. Is there someone on air be it TV, radio, or a puppet show on a corner in New York... that is more useless than this guy? He can not speak clearly and he has nothing intelligent to add.

 

[Koya]

Hey, they couldnt score 15 on the Giants, they OBVIOUSLY need to work on the offense.

I think they could stand to use some upgrading of the three ProBowlers on their o-line.

Ouch.

 

[Chadstroma]

Hey, they couldnt score 15 on the Giants, they OBVIOUSLY need to work on the offense.

I think they could stand to use some upgrading of the three ProBowlers on their o-line.

Ouch.

I think they could stand to have the coach make some adjustments in the pass protection to help the over matched O-line.

 

[Sheriff66]

Some team needs to throw big money at Moss to get him away from Brady, where JJ or Danny Boy when you need them ?

If Moss leaves N.E. ----------> ME

I think Moss stays though...

 

[jonessed]

Some team needs to throw big money at Moss to get him away from Brady, where JJ or Danny Boy when you need them ? If Moss leaves N.E. ----------> ME I think Moss stays though...

He'll stay, but they will have to pay him like a top three receiver. I imagine he will take a lot of the cap space Samuel provides.And Keyshawn is awful. How do these people get these jobs? He doesn't even make sense most of the time.

 

[Mikey16x]

If they don't resign Moss... Im the king of spain.

 

[Sheriff66]

Some team needs to throw big money at Moss to get him away from Brady, where JJ or Danny Boy when you need them ? If Moss leaves N.E. ----------> ME I think Moss stays though...

He'll stay, but they will have to pay him like a top three receiver. I imagine he will take a lot of the cap space Samuel provides.And Keyshawn is awful. How do these people get these jobs? He doesn't even make sense most of the time.

Ben said he would love a "tall receiver"

 

[redman]

If they don't resign Moss... Im the king of spain.

Interestingly enough, Tom Petty wrote that song.

 

[Obie Wan]

Hey, they couldnt score 15 on the Giants, they OBVIOUSLY need to work on the offense.

I think they could stand to use some upgrading of the three ProBowlers on their o-line.

\They don;t perform as ProBowlers if they are not allowed to hold.Still don't understand why they didn;t at least try to hold yesterday.Could be that they got a bad batch of HGH which heavily their play as well as the ancient LBs

 

[Anarchy99]

Moss will either re-sign or be franchised. IMO, there is about a 1% chance he won't be back. They can't franchise Samuel, so Moss would be an obvious next choice.

And yes, I have heard whispers about the Pats somehow trying to get Ocho Cinco to go with Moss and Welker. I doubt it will happen, but I had heard they were interested in Moss for almost a year before they traded for him and many said that would never happen. You never know . . .

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Moss will either re-sign or be franchised. IMO, there is about a 1% chance he won't be back. They can't franchise Samuel, so Moss would be an obvious next choice.And yes, I have heard whispers about the Pats somehow trying to get Ocho Cinco to go with Moss and Welker. I doubt it will happen, but I had heard they were interested in Moss for almost a year before they traded for him and many said that would never happen. You never know . . .

I bet if they offered that #7 overall to Cincinnati, they could get #85.

 

[Anarchy99]

Hey, they couldnt score 15 on the Giants, they OBVIOUSLY need to work on the offense.

I think they could stand to use some upgrading of the three ProBowlers on their o-line.

\They don;t perform as ProBowlers if they are not allowed to hold.Still don't understand why they didn;t at least try to hold yesterday.Could be that they got a bad batch of HGH which heavily their play as well as the ancient LBs

Having watched every Pats game, IMO the Pats made a lot of changes that were for the worse and not for the better.I don't have exact numbers, but IMO I believe that Brady took more direct snaps than usual, which seems odd because he started that much closer to the pass rush.Second, I don't know why they insisted on loading up on receivers and not leaving in a TE or a RB to block. They kept going to 4 or 5 wide sets and Brady was a sitting duck when they ran 10+ yard patterns. They also seemed to get away from the RB and WR screens and quick outs that worked earlier in the game.I also don't know why they didn't try to move the pocket and have more QB rollouts to get away from the pass rush. Brady essentially camped out at the same spot almost every play, so the Giant s knew exactly were to target.

 

[JohnnyU]

Moss will either re-sign or be franchised. IMO, there is about a 1% chance he won't be back. They can't franchise Samuel, so Moss would be an obvious next choice.And yes, I have heard whispers about the Pats somehow trying to get Ocho Cinco to go with Moss and Welker. I doubt it will happen, but I had heard they were interested in Moss for almost a year before they traded for him and many said that would never happen. You never know . . .

Harrison retires and the Colts do a preemptive strike and get Johnson before NE does. Of course he would have to check that "me" attitude at the door if he wants to play for the Colts.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Moss will either re-sign or be franchised. IMO, there is about a 1% chance he won't be back. They can't franchise Samuel, so Moss would be an obvious next choice.And yes, I have heard whispers about the Pats somehow trying to get Ocho Cinco to go with Moss and Welker. I doubt it will happen, but I had heard they were interested in Moss for almost a year before they traded for him and many said that would never happen. You never know . . .

I bet if they offered that #7 overall to Cincinnati, they could get #85.

I don't think so - that would make a double big cap hit (both for Johnson's accelerated bonus and whatever it would cost for #7).To trade him to a team they are chasing? People putting the Dillon analogy are off base.-QG

 

[scott72]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

Ocho Cinco > Moss

I know your not serious about that..

 

[scott72]

You never know with Moss but I lean towards thinking Moss will play nice another season... take another pay cut to remain and come back to win. I think that this season was so close that he just is going to go crazy trying to win it. Then again, since we are speaking about Moss, I have already said in other threads that he could bolt for money and there is as much or greater a possibility that if he remains that he gets unhappy real fast because for him to remain he will not get paid and that might turn into a ego thing with him.

Let's say that Stallworth leaves and Moss stays as I think it will work out. Unless the Pats can get some way talented WR to come play with them at a huge discounted rate- why would they throw money at a WR to get them to play there when they have huge needs in the LB and DB positions? It makes no sense at all.

Then again, Key was calling for Coughlin's firing earlier this season (or so he confessed just now)

I could see Moss signing with Patriots for less than he could get on another team but I don't think there is any chance he's going to take a pay cut. That would be absolutely stupid.

Agreed. Plus someone will make a run at him with some big money.

Yep. He did his one year deal this year and was amazing. He'll command 4-5 years for big money on this one. Bigtime signing bonus coming.

 

[3nOut]

Moss will either re-sign or be franchised. IMO, there is about a 1% chance he won't be back. They can't franchise Samuel, so Moss would be an obvious next choice.

And yes, I have heard whispers about the Pats somehow trying to get Ocho Cinco to go with Moss and Welker. I doubt it will happen, but I had heard they were interested in Moss for almost a year before they traded for him and many said that would never happen. You never know . . .

I thought Moss was an Unresricted FA. I don't think you can franchise an UFA, can you?

 

[trader jake]

Key's scarf must limit his oxygen supply.

 

[Chadstroma]

Key's scarf must limit his oxygen supply.

 

[Boston]

Just because he said the Pats are going to upgrade doesn't mean they are going to spend crazy. Upgrading with free agents could simply mean adding more depth with veterans. I don't think many realize it but after Moss, Welker, Stallworth and Gaffney there wasn't a WR with a catch...all year. In an offense that uses so many weapons that's pretty odd. #5 is an area they could improve upon. Also, Stallworth really wan't too consistent this year and often seemed somewhat lost in this offense and I think they could upgrade from him...with who I have no clue but I don't see this as being out of the question. So, while this unit had a great year I really don't see it being too farfetched that they tinker with it and try to upgrade it. Especially when you consider the fact that they will probably have quite a few new faces on D next year. It will probably take those new faces a while to adjust to the Patriot system and if that's the case it will be very important for the O to be clicking in September and October while the D is figuring things out.

 

[The Goat]

What in the heck? Are you serious? The Patriots are going to go out and get another 'upgrade' at WR? Yea... that will be their priority when they have LB's who are a combined age of about 1,000 years and a safety that is almost as old. Not to mention a secondary that is adequate and likely to lose it's biggest star and talent. Yea... they need to go out and upgrade their WR's... THAT is why they did not win.

What an idiot. To be fair, he did say that "I know it sounds crazy"... yes Key, it sounds crazy because it is!

Ocho Cinco > Moss

While I'm not a fan, right now...Nobody > Moss

 

[Anarchy99]

Moss will either re-sign or be franchised. IMO, there is about a 1% chance he won't be back. They can't franchise Samuel, so Moss would be an obvious next choice.

And yes, I have heard whispers about the Pats somehow trying to get Ocho Cinco to go with Moss and Welker. I doubt it will happen, but I had heard they were interested in Moss for almost a year before they traded for him and many said that would never happen. You never know . . .

I thought Moss was an Unresricted FA. I don't think you can franchise an UFA, can you?

You are confused. A team can franchise a UFA. The only time they can't is when they signed a contract stating otherwise (like the Pats did with Asante Samuel).

 

[The Fog Of War]

Didn't Moss sign for 2 years originally?

If so why wouldn't they hold him to the 2nd year.

I don't remember it being a 1 year deal when it was announced.

Welker, Moss, Watson, Gaffney + 1 other very good one would be the ideal.

Any chance Chad Jackson steps up? Stallworth isn't worth much back on the team, so get rid of him and get someone different.

Any speedy guys like Moss, who go over the middle like Welker around?

 

[David Yudkin]

Didn't Moss sign for 2 years originally?If so why wouldn't they hold him to the 2nd year.I don't remember it being a 1 year deal when it was announced.Welker, Moss, Watson, Gaffney + 1 other very good one would be the ideal.Any chance Chad Jackson steps up? Stallworth isn't worth much back on the team, so get rid of him and get someone different.Any speedy guys like Moss, who go over the middle like Welker around?

Moss signed a 1-year deal for $3 million with $2 million in incenties that made his total comp worth $5 million this year.

 

[Da Guru]

Key's scarf must limit his oxygen supply.

Key is a good talker, but if you listen to him week in and week out he is not very bright.

 

[Sanboy]

Moss will leave via FA

Stallworth will be let loose - he fell out of favor anyways and is too much $$$

Gaffney is nothing more than a nice #3 or #4 and is a FA

C.Jackson has shown nothing ..

so the only WR you really have is W.Welker .. who is a # 2 Wr .. if you cast him as a # 1 .. he is mis-casted and his numbers will decline to the basement

this group was built for THIS YEAR .. PERIOD ..

 

[the branded hand]

If Moss stays, Devery Henderson might be interesting option. He's not a big target but, Moss/Welker/Henderdson/Gaffney sounds like a lot of speed.

 

[redman]

Moss will leave via FAStallworth will be let loose - he fell out of favor anyways and is too much $$$Gaffney is nothing more than a nice #3 or #4 and is a FAC.Jackson has shown nothing .. so the only WR you really have is W.Welker .. who is a # 2 Wr .. if you cast him as a # 1 .. he is mis-casted and his numbers will decline to the basement this group was built for THIS YEAR .. PERIOD ..

I disagree. I don't think that team can afford to wait for a new WR corps to gel. Maybe they won't be able to reach agreements with the right folks, but if I'm king for a day in NE I do everything I can to keep Moss, and I'd let Stallworth go knowing that Gaffney is at least as good as he is as a third option. Doing this will allow them to focus on addressing the major problem area for them, which is the aging LB corps that is so vital to that defense's success. Another strong offense in 2008 will take a lot of pressure off of a younger, reconstituted LB corps.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

For all the talk about the WR corps, the Patriots lost in large part because they refused to use the running game properly.

 

[Boston]

Moss will leave via FAStallworth will be let loose - he fell out of favor anyways and is too much $$$Gaffney is nothing more than a nice #3 or #4 and is a FAC.Jackson has shown nothing .. so the only WR you really have is W.Welker .. who is a # 2 Wr .. if you cast him as a # 1 .. he is mis-casted and his numbers will decline to the basement this group was built for THIS YEAR .. PERIOD ..

I disagree. I don't think that team can afford to wait for a new WR corps to gel. Maybe they won't be able to reach agreements with the right folks, but if I'm king for a day in NE I do everything I can to keep Moss, and I'd let Stallworth go knowing that Gaffney is at least as good as he is as a third option. Doing this will allow them to focus on addressing the major problem area for them, which is the aging LB corps that is so vital to that defense's success. Another strong offense in 2008 will take a lot of pressure off of a younger, reconstituted LB corps.

Agreed...although I'll believe that they'll have a young LB corps when I see it. It will be different but how young will be interesting to see.

 

[redman]

For all the talk about the WR corps, the Patriots lost in large part because they refused to use the running game properly.

. . . kinda like Mike Martz in the 2001 Super Bowl . . . I think you're conflating game analysis with offseason roster moves, Andy. There's no doubt they need to run more, but they still have some big decisions to make at the WR position.