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Keypad locks on your house? Or are you still in the stone age? (1 Viewer)

For all of you saying how keypads are more vulnerable to people figuring out the code, etc...and for those of you who have all kinds of fancy locks on your doors, I'll just say this....If a thief wants into your house badly enough, they'll get in. There is no lock, door, window, or alarm that will prevent a thief from getting in.

The goal of security is to convince them that a home is likely a bad target and they stand a higher chance of getting caught, thus they move elsewhere.

I've got Z-wave Keypad dead-bolts on both my main doors (front and attached garage). I can give out temporary codes to contractors or others. I can also set it up to get an alert on my phone when certain codes are used. I have every window in my house alarmed. My alarm system arms automatically when I lock my keypad doors and unarms when I open them with my master code. I also have a security camera and motion lights. All my spare keys are locked in a wall-safe. With that said, if someone wanted to get in, they could. My sliding door is only so secure. My windows are still just glass. My doors could probably be kicked in. But....I know my neighbor has a house surrounded by woods, no alarm, no camera, and minimal lighting. If I were a thief, I'd go rob him.

FWIW - Keypad locks were a game changer for me. I'll never go back. It's so nice to just have to carry 1 Key FOB for my car in my pocket. No door keys. The added plus is that if a guest or relative is visiting and gets there before me, I can unlock the house remotely for them.
FN is right on this stuff, the lock on the front door should be part of a system; that is what intrigued me about getting this stuff through ABT, my alarm company.

About getting the door kicked in, I saw this today. The Haven, a door-lock that stops just about everything to get in. My only thought is what if Fire Dept wants to get in?!?
FYI - You can do this without ADT and their obscenely high fees if you're willing to take a little time to research and set stuff up yourself. I paid $300 for the "brains" of my system, and then just bought individual devices. The alarm link-in is via a 3rd party add-on that didn't cost much, but was a bit of a pain to set up initially. As far as monthly fees, I pay $8.95/month for alarm monitoring, and that's it.

If anyone is interested in getting away from ADT, I can recommend a really good alarm monitoring company. Just PM me and I'll give you the details and my info so we can both get the referral discount. That's ALL they do though...monitor alarms. You need to have a working alarm that you own (i.e. not under ADT's contract or "leasing" the system). They charge extra for technical support. I've never needed it, and even if I did, I save at least $20/mos over ADT, so it's still net-net cheaper.

 
I figured they would have inductive charging in these things by now. huh.

eta: I typed the above just to be a jackass, but that's actually a pretty awesome idea.

 
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i dont lock my house or my cars, never have..never needed to.I live in NJ.
Sweet. I'm sure you don't have to buy butter or booze either, as you simply make your own.Hint: Not all of us live in Mayberry, Cletus.
And awful things happen in nice neighborhoods too. I don't want my family becoming a news story.
:goodposting: Nothing's ever happend to you...until it does.

I also live in NJ in a very low-crime area on a quiet country cul de sac....To Otis' point, we still get the occasional e-mail from neighbors, "A friend of ours had their house broken into..." Nothing on our street, but it happens. Like I said in my earlier post, my goal is to convince thieves to break into the neighbor's house by being a little more well lit, a little more well secured, and a little more well monitored. I can't change their mind if they really want my stuff, but I can make a good case to them for getting caught.

 
You know, the TARDIS is one of the most secure structures in the world, and there's no keypad on it. Opens with a key.

 
Mr. Ected said:
For all of you saying how keypads are more vulnerable to people figuring out the code, etc...and for those of you who have all kinds of fancy locks on your doors, I'll just say this....If a thief wants into your house badly enough, they'll get in. There is no lock, door, window, or alarm that will prevent a thief from getting in.

The goal of security is to convince them that a home is likely a bad target and they stand a higher chance of getting caught, thus they move elsewhere.

I've got Z-wave Keypad dead-bolts on both my main doors (front and attached garage). I can give out temporary codes to contractors or others. I can also set it up to get an alert on my phone when certain codes are used. I have every window in my house alarmed. My alarm system arms automatically when I lock my keypad doors and unarms when I open them with my master code. I also have a security camera and motion lights. All my spare keys are locked in a wall-safe. With that said, if someone wanted to get in, they could. My sliding door is only so secure. My windows are still just glass. My doors could probably be kicked in. But....I know my neighbor has a house surrounded by woods, no alarm, no camera, and minimal lighting. If I were a thief, I'd go rob him.

FWIW - Keypad locks were a game changer for me. I'll never go back. It's so nice to just have to carry 1 Key FOB for my car in my pocket. No door keys. The added plus is that if a guest or relative is visiting and gets there before me, I can unlock the house remotely for them.
FN is right on this stuff, the lock on the front door should be part of a system; that is what intrigued me about getting this stuff through ABT, my alarm company.

About getting the door kicked in, I saw this today. The Haven, a door-lock that stops just about everything to get in. My only thought is what if Fire Dept wants to get in?!?
This is why I keep a gun.

 
Surprised at how many people do not have attached garages. I haven't carried a house key in over 10 years.

 
this thread got me thinking. If I had a bluetooth keypad for my door, and then if I had this, the only thing I would need a key for is ignition.

in theory, you could go back to the good ole days where you just hide the ignition key in the visor (or under the seat or wherever) and not have any keys to carry.

 
Surprised at how many people do not have attached garages. I haven't carried a house key in over 10 years.
I have had an attached garage since 1999, and only just this year started parking in it (previously contained a boat).
But you still could have had a garage door opener in your car, and used it for entry into your house.
That would involve having a clear path to walk thru. Boat + lawn mower + work bench + half finished projects usually meant front door w/ lock was less of an obstacle.
 
NOTE: I have no strong feelings on locks or keys, but given this was in the NY Times today I thought of this thread. :)

The August Smart Lock Shows Why You Should Stick with Dumb Keys

You almost certainly don’t need a digital smart lock for your front door. Unless you run a boardinghouse or a bordello, it’s unlikely that you have gone looking for a convenient way to let strangers into your home when you’re away. Nor do you find keys very inconvenient. Keys are portable, they’re durable, they’re cheap to replace and everyone understands how to use them. Yay, keys.

So what explains the tech industry’s infatuation with smart locks, digital devices that can unlock your home using a smartphone? In the past couple of years, a spate of smart locks have hit crowdfunding sites like Kickstarter, some winning multimillion-dollar payouts. One of the biggest crowdfunding hits, August, was created by the industrial designer Yves Béhar, and shipping to early backers will begin this week.

I've been using it for a week, and I can’t say that it has helped me understand the essential utility of smart locks. At $250, the August lock is more of a chic bauble than a useful necessity. Consider buying one if you want your door to become a piece of conversation, and if you have disposable cash to burn. Or do so with an eye to the future, when the smart lock may be central to an entire home-automation system — the entry device that alerts your lights, air-conditioning and entertainment system that you’re home. But for now, you can probably get by better with keys.

The best thing about the August is that it is very easy to install. The device is a metallic cylinder about the size of a large man’s fist. It comes in red, silver, gold and black. The August attaches to the inside of your deadbolt, the part that you turn to engage the lock. The device comes with clear instructions and all the hardware necessary for installation. I needed a screwdriver and about 10 minutes to get it on my front door. After it is installed, you can still use the deadbolt the old-fashioned way. Inside, you can turn the August to lock your door; outside, you can still use your old keys.

But the August also lets you open your door with your phone instead of your key. There are two ways of doing so. First, in manual mode, you pull out your phone when you are at your door, open the August app, sign into the app if you haven’t already, wait half a second for the app to connect to the lock, and then tap the icon to open.

Sound more complicated than keys? It is. That is why there is also an automatic mode that uses your phone’s location to open the door just as you’re walking up to it. The problem is, in my tests, this worked only occasionally. Sometimes I would walk up to the door and find it unlocked; other times, nothing happened.

And there was an additional complication. In my house, I can enter through the front door or through the garage. When I come in through the garage, I pass by the front door — and my August unlocked it for me, even though I was already in the house. This left my door unlocked, and it would stay that way until I manually locked it.

The August’s main attraction is the ability to issue “keys” to anyone who uses an iOS or Android device. The app lets you do so in a number of ways — keys can be issued permanently, on a temporary basis, or just on a schedule, like for a maid service that needs to enter your house only once a week. Because the lock creates an audit trail of every action, you can also see who is entering your house and how long each person has been there. And you can revoke keys or sign in on a friend’s phone to open your lock, useful if you have lost your phone.

But one thing you cannot do with the August is log on from afar to check if your door is locked. That’s because the lock’s only wireless connection is to a phone through Bluetooth, which only works from a few feet away. The August does not permanently connect to the Internet through your home’s Wi-Fi connection. The company says this limitation is meant to preserve battery life; the lock’s four AAs need to be changed about once a year.

As a result, the lock is sometimes less than smart. If you are at work and can’t remember whether you locked your door that morning, you can’t check on it. In fact, you can’t check if your door is locked even in most places in your house. The only way to do so is to walk to your door and eyeball it. How smart is that?
 
I agree this August product sounds a little silly. You don't experience any of the problems identified in the article though using a standard keypad lock.

 

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