On the plus side more real estate.Lava has reached the Pacific. So, yeah, that’s super bad. As it happens hydrochloric acid and tiny bits of volcanic glass will form a dense fog.
I can’t believe no one’s talking about this here.
While the hell that comes along with it should be a concern, I’m more intrigued with the world doing what it naturally does than the dangers of it happening presents. The earth is basically reforming itself. It fascinates me. So much to be learned.Lava has reached the Pacific. So, yeah, that’s super bad. As it happens hydrochloric acid and tiny bits of volcanic glass will form a dense fog.
I can’t believe no one’s talking about this here.
You need to basically reform that first sentenceWhile the hell that comes along with it should be a concern, I’m more intrigued with the world doing what it naturally does than the dangers of it happening presents. The earth is basically reforming itself. It fascinates me. So much to be learned.
Twice I've hiked the long ocean front trail to watch the lava pour into the ocean there. It's been happening since the 80s pretty much non-stop. This month's activity is different in that the consistent behavior changed but nothing to panic about yet.Lava has reached the Pacific. So, yeah, that’s super bad. As it happens hydrochloric acid and tiny bits of volcanic glass will form a dense fog.
I can’t believe no one’s talking about this here.
The flow differential there is the difference.Twice I've hiked the long ocean front trail to watch the lava pour into the ocean there. It's been happening since the 80s pretty much non-stop. This month's activity is different in that the consistent behavior changed but nothing to panic about yet.
The lava has been flowing into the pacific for decades.Lava has reached the Pacific. So, yeah, that’s super bad. As it happens hydrochloric acid and tiny bits of volcanic glass will form a dense fog.
I can’t believe no one’s talking about this here.
You understand there a difference between dropping an 1”x1” cube of dry ice into a tub of water and dropping one the size of a dinner plate in, right?The lava has been flowing into the pacific for decades.
You understand I lived there, have seen it, right? I have melted shoes walking on freshly cooled flows, walked within yards of a 15-20 foot waterfall of lava flowing into the ocean.You understand there a difference between dropping an 1”x1” cube of dry ice into a tub of water and dropping one the size of a dinner plate in, right?
How could I possibly know what information you have?You understand I lived there, have seen it, right? I have melted shoes walking on freshly cooled flows, walked within yards of a 15-20 foot waterfall of lava flowing into the ocean.
Small flows, bigger flows, fast flows, slower flows.
The images I see today are not really anything different. Unless you have other information?
You were making a claim that these ocean flows were out of the ordinary.. a concern.How could I possibly know what information you have?
Yeah. The Hawaii Civil Defense Agency issued a warning about clouds of hydrochloric acid and volcanic glass. I just don’t know if you have that information.You were making a claim that these ocean flows were out of the ordinary.. a concern.
I thought perhaps you would have information or data to back that up. My bad.
So.. per usual. Nothing different.Yeah. The USGS issued a warning about clouds of hydrochloric acid and volcanic glass. I just don’t know if you have that information.
Yes.The flow was moving 300 yards an hour headed toward Hwy 137 yesterday. That happen a lot while you lived there?
Right, but these are.Yes.
Usually not news when it is un-populated areas.
You said, the lava has reached the ocean that's super bad. That statement started this little pushback because lava has been hitting the ocean daily for decades. This is similar to 1955, not super bad. Less than 30 homes destroyed, some cars and other personal property, a guy burned his leg, it could go on for months. Thousands of acres could be covered. Life will go on. Katrina was super bad. This is some extra volcanic activity at the most active volcano on the planet. If it goes blooey or causes a massive quake, that would be super bad, but that's not something anyone can predict.Right, but these are.
The USGS is comparing this with 1955.
You seem to be changing your position here. This isn't any bigger a deal than what has been going on... some increased activity for sure, and it is again affecting populated areas. Even this is not new or different however.Right, but these are.
The USGS is comparing this with 1955.
Right.You said, the lava has reached the ocean that's super bad. That statement started this little pushback because lava has been hitting the ocean daily for decades. This is similar to 1955, not super bad. Less than 30 homes destroyed, some cars and other personal property, a guy burned his leg, it could go on for months. Thousands of acres could be covered. Life will go on. Katrina was super bad. This is some extra volcanic activity at the most active volcano on the planet. If it goes blooey or causes a massive quake, that would be super bad, but that's not something anyone can predict.
It is super bad when much higher lava flows hit the ocean and in new places. I’m honestly a little surprised anyone’s claiming the current flow from the fissures and an active erupting volcano is the same lava flow as always happens, but I’m not going to argue about an ongoing tragedy. I’m out.You said, the lava has reached the ocean that's super bad. That statement started this little pushback because lava has been hitting the ocean daily for decades. This is similar to 1955, not super bad. Less than 30 homes destroyed, some cars and other personal property, a guy burned his leg, it could go on for months. Thousands of acres could be covered. Life will go on. Katrina was super bad. This is some extra volcanic activity at the most active volcano on the planet. If it goes blooey or causes a massive quake, that would be super bad, but that's not something anyone can predict.
I guess we have differing opinions of what super bad is. No biggie, mate.It is super bad when much higher lava flows hit the ocean. I’m honestly a little surprised anyone’s claiming the current flow from the fissures and an active erupting volcano is the same lava flow as always happens, but I’m not going to argue about an ongoing tragedy. I’m out.
Having said this.. a volcano always could become super bad. We aren't there yet.You seem to be changing your position here. This isn't any bigger a deal than what has been going on... some increased activity for sure, and it is again affecting populated areas. Even this is not new or different however.
I was in Kalapana when they were trying to move historic buildings in 1990.
I guess this is where we differ. Relative to the possibilities, this is far from a tragedy.It is super bad when much higher lava flows hit the ocean and in new places. I’m honestly a little surprised anyone’s claiming the current flow from the fissures and an active erupting volcano is the same lava flow as always happens, but I’m not going to argue about an ongoing tragedy. I’m out.
There’s a post of someone on this page talking about his family’s patriarch’s former home. Having lived through the destruction and rebuild of a city, I can’t explain to you how offensive this sentiment can seem to some.I guess this is where we differ. Relative to the possibilities, this is far from a tragedy.
Some homes, no deaths. People who built/bought these homes there knew this risk. Their homes literally sit on previous flows.
No reason to get defensive. You started off on the wrong foot with the misleading claim, we let you know. Chill.There’s a post of someone on this page talking about his family’s patriarch’s former home. Having lived through the destruction and rebuild of a city, I can’t explain to you how offensive this sentiment can seem to some.
I’m not going to argue with you or anyone else. Continue to say how normal and usual all this is. That’s fine. But I’m certainly not in agreement with you.
Wow those closeup shots are incredible.
I’m not defensive. I’m just honestly flabbergasted at this response to people losing everything. Good luck to you.No reason to get defensive. You started off on the wrong foot with the misleading claim, we let you know. Chill.
Regarding your effort to paint my posts as offensive. Losing a home that used to be yours sucks. The house I lived in at Kailua Beach was torn down.. I get it with the memories, etc. A tragedy? Come on now.
Homes and towns have been lost many times over in the last 30+ years. It goes without saying, it will happen again. Whether or not you take offense to that..![]()
Yup. Hiked on the volcano on the Big Island years ago at night, encouraged by the park rangers to do this. Lava flowing, oozing more like it, all around. Can’t believe I didn’t die. Was one of the coolest things I have ever seen / experienced.If you have never seen a volcano/flowing lava... there are no words.
The most incredible thing I have seen.
Lived there for 4 years and Hawaii has a lot of sights and experiences to offer, but nothing comes close.
Tbh, as a HI outsider myself, I saw your first post and wondered what I was missing in terms of the alarmist aspect...assumed it was somewhat normal for this to be happening and very glad no lives were lost. But your post made me think there was some new and unusual threat I hadn't heard about yet... Which certainly caused alarm for me.I’m not defensive. I’m just honestly flabbergasted at this response to people losing everything. Good luck to you.
I think they are talking about visiting the Big Island in general, no?It’s crazy to tell tourists that it is okay to visit. They should be evacuating people because of the health hazards.
The island is really big and the volcano is in one corner. Not an expert but I think the volcano is more of an oozer (technical term) than a Mt St Helens situation.The ash in the air can kill and it will blow any minute.
Again the island is really big. Not sure what they are allowing people to do but hopefully they are keeping people safe.You know what happened to 9/11 first responders?
I heard from my mom (who has been in touch with my relatives on the Big island) that due to the winds, the air quality on the Kona side (where the resorts are) has been affected, apparently more so than Hilo, which is much closer to the volcanic activity. But that’s second/third hand.Again the island is really big. Not sure what they are allowing people to do but hopefully they are keeping people safe.
Ive been to the Big Island a bunch wouldn’t be changing my plans if I had tickets now.
Haven’t really looked into it much, just assume they are doing things to keep people safe.
This is correct. The magma under Kilauea contains a low amount of silica; it easily flows and releases gas. High silica is the opposite and creates the typical cone-shaped volcano like Mount Fuji (Japan), Mount St Helens (USA) and Mount Pinatubo (Philippines).The island is really big and the volcano is in one corner. Not an expert but I think the volcano is more of an oozer (technical term) than a Mt St Helens situation.
It's almost always worse on the Kona side, south Kona to be specific, and south Kona highland coffee country to be very specific. That's just from the standard (and fairly consistent) trade winds. As Matuski said, the people there are used to it and no when to avoid the bad air quality. The alarmism tourists are inundated with on a trip to see the lava makes you not want to do it. But the reality is much different and the guides chuckle a little at the fear mongering because they deal with it daily.I heard from my mom (who has been in touch with my relatives on the Big island) that due to the winds, the air quality on the Kona side (where the resorts are) has been affected, apparently more so than Hilo, which is much closer to the volcanic activity. But that’s second/third hand.