Killing Rampage near UC Santa Barbara (1 Viewer)

[Stinger Ray]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

Tim has a reputation for doing what he was called out on. PS doesn't and I give him credit for being open with what they are dealing with.

 

[timschochet]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS. Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Politician Spock]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

I had no desire for anyone to associate my son to the killer. But people in this thread did it. So I spoke up to defend not only my son, but the hundreds of thousands who also have it. They're not killers.

 

[timschochet]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

Tim has a reputation for doing what he was called out on. PS doesn't and I give him credit for being open with what they are dealing with.

No I don't. I rarely mention my personal life in this forum.

 

[Stinger Ray]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

Tim has a reputation for doing what he was called out on. PS doesn't and I give him credit for being open with what they are dealing with.

No I don't.

 

[Joe T]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

You just can't keep your mouth shut can you. Very uncool post Tim considering that he has a child that likely has Aspergers. It doesn't sound like there is anything amusing with what they deal with regarding their child.

Wow people really have a blind spot for Tim. I empathize with PS, but this thread as essentially turned into what he ripped Tim for.

Tim has a reputation for doing what he was called out on. PS doesn't and I give him credit for being open with what they are dealing with.

No I don't.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Calling himself a god? That's pretty egomaniacal, and signs of a serious problem.

The irony is thick around these parts.

 

[CurlyNight]

Seems Rodger was planning this longer than a year..... they just said he first bought a gun in 2012.

Did they say how he purchased the gun? It's supposed to be illegal in California for a person diagnosed with mental illness to purchase a firearm, but I have no idea how that is enforced, or whether or not this guy's illness would have shown up in a background check.

Quite legally. Even here with tougher gun laws, unless you are hospitalized I don't think you go into the database. Aside from looking and acting really weird, there were no signs of him being a danger to himself or others until April it seems when his videos were first found by his mom. Just having a MI itself doesn't put you in a database, at least not now.

 

[butcher boy]

I don't think I've read enough of tim's posts to have a problem with his comment on page 1. I found it to be a very normal reaction to the situation.

It does seem however, that tim has made his bed around here and now has to sleep in it and as such his posts will be put under a microscope more than others.

 

[Chaka]

Seems Rodger was planning this longer than a year..... they just said he first bought a gun in 2012.

Did they say how he purchased the gun? It's supposed to be illegal in California for a person diagnosed with mental illness to purchase a firearm, but I have no idea how that is enforced, or whether or not this guy's illness would have shown up in a background check.

Is there a database that keeps this information for background checks? Would he be in that system if all his therapy was private, voluntary and initiated by his family and not from mandatory intervention.

What I wonder is that since the police interviewed Rodger six months prior to the murders I wonder if things may have turned out differently if the police had known that he owned three guns prior to interviewing him. It is possible that information may have made them more alert to warning signs while interviewing him. It is pretty easy for a 5'9", 135 lb guy to seem pretty harmless but that impression may change with the knowledge that he owned three hand guns.

 

[timschochet]

It does seem however, that tim has made his bed around here and now has to sleep in it and as such his posts will be put under a microscope more than others.

that's cool, I accept that.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Spock was an interesting character in Star Trek. Very intelligent and analytical, yet unable to comprehend human emotion and social cues.

 

[timschochet]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

 

[Chaka]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.

*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

 

[CurlyNight]

Seems Rodger was planning this longer than a year..... they just said he first bought a gun in 2012.

Did they say how he purchased the gun? It's supposed to be illegal in California for a person diagnosed with mental illness to purchase a firearm, but I have no idea how that is enforced, or whether or not this guy's illness would have shown up in a background check.

Is there a database that keeps this information for background checks? Would he be in that system if all his therapy was private, voluntary and initiated by his family and not from mandatory intervention.

What I wonder is that since the police interviewed Rodger six months prior to the murders I wonder if things may have turned out differently if the police had known that he owned three guns prior to interviewing him. It is possible that information may have made them more alert to warning signs while interviewing him. It is pretty easy for a 5'9", 135 lb guy to seem pretty harmless but that impression may change with the knowledge that he owned three hand guns.

http://reason.com/archives/2014/01/03/california-gun-law-paves-the-way-for-con

Seems it just started this year...

 

[CurlyNight]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

The reality is, not all MI people are dangerous. Most are not. So you would be infringing on their rights. You have to have a good reason beyond someone's diagnosis to search the home.

 

[Politician Spock]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

If there is not enough evidence to involuntarily commit them, then I don't know where you'd draw this new line.

 

[timschochet]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

 

[Politician Spock]

Spock was an interesting character in Star Trek. Very intelligent and analytical, yet unable to comprehend human emotion and social cues.

I imagine a nine year old Spock would be very much like my son.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

Every once in a while, just wait until you're the second person to say something like that.

 

[Chaka]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

Why was the fact that they were going to the SB zoo relevant in any way? Couldn't you have just said "As a father that gave me chills"?

 

[coyote5]

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

Every once in a while, just wait until you're the second person to say something like that.

 

[Freelove]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

I don't see it, either.

Seems to me people like taking shots at you, tim. And from what I've been told, you've earned some of that ire. But I also feel that if somebody is going to be one of those people who gets his jollies off of calling you out for making threads about "you," that person ought to be good and certain he doesn't go making himself guilty of the same thing once it turns out his own precious and unique snowflake of a child is somehow tangentially related to the storyline.

I don't mind seeing anybody relate to a story based on their own lives. I do enjoy calling out hypocrisy and richardheadery, and Spock was guilty of both.

 

[timschochet]

Because they were going to be close by, and it was such a random shooting?

Whatever. I don't get why this offended people, but apparently it did so I apologize.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Because they were going to be close by, and it was such a random shooting?

Whatever. I don't get why this offended people, but apparently it did so I apologize.

There was nothing random about this shooting.

 

[butcher boy]

Agree with Freelove.

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.

Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.




*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

I don't see it, either.

Seems to me people like taking shots at you, tim. And from what I've been told, you've earned some of that ire. But I also feel that if somebody is going to be one of those people who gets his jollies off of calling you out for making threads about "you," that person ought to be good and certain he doesn't go making himself guilty of the same thing once it turns out his own precious and unique snowflake of a child is somehow tangentially related to the storyline.

I don't mind seeing anybody relate to a story based on their own lives. I do enjoy calling out hypocrisy and richardheadery, and Spock was guilty of both.

 

[tjnc09]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

He killed three people with a knife. David Attias killed four people with a car a decade ago. If he didn't have a gun, he could have killed dozens with his car. Stricter gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy.

 

[Chase Stuart]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

 

[Todd Andrews]

My kids might be going to the zoo soon and it is a little chilly.

 

[timschochet]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

I don't see it, either.Seems to me people like taking shots at you, tim. And from what I've been told, you've earned some of that ire. But I also feel that if somebody is going to be one of those people who gets his jollies off of calling you out for making threads about "you," that person ought to be good and certain he doesn't go making himself guilty of the same thing once it turns out his own precious and unique snowflake of a child is somehow tangentially related to the storyline.

I don't mind seeing anybody relate to a story based on their own lives. I do enjoy calling out hypocrisy and richardheadery, and Spock was guilty of both.

I have earned some people taking shots at me here. I post too often, and at times I've written some pretty stupid stuff without thinking it through (see Roman Polanski). But the criticism for this was strange.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

My kids might be going to the zoo soon and it is a little chilly.

BE CAREFUL!!!

 

[CurlyNight]

Question: would you guys be willing to accept a law that if someone is found to be mentally ill, the police would have the right to search his belongings and seize whatever firearms he already possesses?

He killed three people with a knife. David Attias killed four people with a car a decade ago. If he didn't have a gun, he could have killed dozens with his car. Stricter gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy.

While this is true, I think more carnage is to be had with a gun, especially those where you can load large magazines.

 

[Politician Spock]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

I don't see it, either.

Seems to me people like taking shots at you, tim. And from what I've been told, you've earned some of that ire. But I also feel that if somebody is going to be one of those people who gets his jollies off of calling you out for making threads about "you," that person ought to be good and certain he doesn't go making himself guilty of the same thing once it turns out his own precious and unique snowflake of a child is somehow tangentially related to the storyline.

I don't mind seeing anybody relate to a story based on their own lives. I do enjoy calling out hypocrisy and richardheadery, and Spock was guilty of both.

What a load of BS!

Tim attempted to put himself as close to the issue as possible, just like he always does.

When people associated Aspergers to the issue, I attempted to pull people with Aspergers away from the issue as far as possible.

The two are completely opposite actions.

 

[Chase Stuart]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

I get that, but I mean in an end of life scenario, why wouldn't you? I mean if you're 1000% obsessed with sex, why die a virgin?

 

[butcher boy]

I do care about Politician Spock's story and I wish his family well. I do.

But it is just the slightest bit amusing to me that somehow this thread has become all about Politician Spock.

Not sure where you are getting the disconnect here.

There was one killer friday and many victims. People attending the zoo next weekend are no more associated to the victims than people with Aspergers are associated to the killer.

I called BS on both. Now people are throwing me under the bus as a bad parent. I don't know why.

I didn't suggest I was associated to the victims in any way. I just wrote that it have me chills. You accused me of trying to make the thread about me. THAT was BS.Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're a bad parent. I might do things differently, but you obviously care a lot about your son. I wish you the best of luck.

I have defended you quite often in the past but that post was pointless at best and darn stupid at worst. I can easily see how that was viewed as a means to draw attention to yourself. People react disproportionately when it is you making the comment* but that doesn't mean you should get a free pass either.*Just today someone made an off color comment about having a 16 year old daughter who brought her volleyball team to their house for a BBQ, and no one batted an eye but all hell would have broken loose if you had authored that comment.

It's the price you pay for being you.

Honestly Chaka, I still don't see anything wrong with what I wrote or even the least bit controversial. My kids were supposed to go to Santa Barbara next weekend. That gave me chills. It still does. So what?

I don't see it, either.Seems to me people like taking shots at you, tim. And from what I've been told, you've earned some of that ire. But I also feel that if somebody is going to be one of those people who gets his jollies off of calling you out for making threads about "you," that person ought to be good and certain he doesn't go making himself guilty of the same thing once it turns out his own precious and unique snowflake of a child is somehow tangentially related to the storyline.

I don't mind seeing anybody relate to a story based on their own lives. I do enjoy calling out hypocrisy and richardheadery, and Spock was guilty of both.

I have earned some people taking shots at me here. I post too often, and at times I've written some pretty stupid stuff without thinking it through (see Roman Polanski). But the criticism for this was strange.

The criticism was based entirely on your history. Anyone else makes the identical post, they don't get called out for anything. There is really nothing wrong with relating to a tragedy through a personal experience.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Let's all just calm down in here.

 

[CurlyNight]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

Mental illness. There is no rhyme or reason with folks like him.

 

[Fennis]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I didn't kiss anyone until I was 21, and I was never really unpopular, just invisible to women and incapable of talking to them. And I don't think going to a pro would have made me feel better. I'd have felt worthless for having to resort to that option.

The first two times I read that as you didn't kill anyone until you were 21.

 

[Chaka]

It is human nature to associate yourself, either privately or publicly, with tragedies. I imagine it helps provide context for dealing with these things as well as informing your reaction to tragedies. However when you voice it publicly you run the risk of people thinking you are trying to make the tragedy about yourself.

 

[Chaka]

Because they were going to be close by, and it was such a random shooting?

Whatever. I don't get why this offended people, but apparently it did so I apologize.

Not really that close by and the tragedy already occurred so the fact they were going to be at the SB Zoo was entirely irrelevant as it relates to a father's concern about the safety of their children.

I am surprised you don't see the difference.

On the plus side this thread is about you again.

 

[Chaka]

It's pretty hard to fathom that he could get to age 22 and never kiss a girl, isn't it? I also think it's pretty weird that he didn't go to a prostitute deciding to kill a bunch of innocent people and end his own life. If he was that focused on getting laid, and had some $$, what was stopping him? Ego?

I imagine girls could smell the desperate and crazy on this guy before he got out of his car.

 

[Chaka]

My kids might be going to the zoo soon and it is a little chilly.

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[butcher boy]

Because they were going to be close by, and it was such a random shooting?

Whatever. I don't get why this offended people, but apparently it did so I apologize.

Not really that close by and the tragedy already occurred so the fact they were going to be at the SB Zoo was entirely irrelevant as it relates to a father's concern about the safety of their children.

I am surprised you don't see the difference.

On the plus side this thread is about you again.

If no one had called tim out, would he have continued to post about his family going to the zoo, or would it simply have blended in and been forgotten like the other half dozen or so people that also related a personal experience on the first page ?

 

[Politician Spock]

Because they were going to be close by, and it was such a random shooting?

Whatever. I don't get why this offended people, but apparently it did so I apologize.

Not really that close by and the tragedy already occurred so the fact they were going to be at the SB Zoo was entirely irrelevant as it relates to a father's concern about the safety of their children.

I am surprised you don't see the difference.

On the plus side this thread is about you again.

If no one had called tim out, would he have continued to post about his family going to the zoo, or would it simply have blended in and been forgotten like the other half dozen or so people that also related a personal experience on the first page ?

Tim was headed towards a gun control debate with that comment. He was hoping to spark other people's fear of random shootings in public places to then campaign for tighter gun control. By calling him out on it, we nipped him in the bud. He then had to settle for page 8 before attempting to make this into a gun control thread again.

 

[Fennis]

I went to UCSB, I barely missed this by 20 years.

 

[Chaka]

Because they were going to be close by, and it was such a random shooting?

Whatever. I don't get why this offended people, but apparently it did so I apologize.

Not really that close by and the tragedy already occurred so the fact they were going to be at the SB Zoo was entirely irrelevant as it relates to a father's concern about the safety of their children.

I am surprised you don't see the difference.

On the plus side this thread is about you again.

If no one had called tim out, would he have continued to post about his family going to the zoo, or would it simply have blended in and been forgotten like the other half dozen or so people that also related a personal experience on the first page ?

Tim was headed towards a gun control debate with that comment. He was hoping to spark other people's fear of random shootings in public places to then campaign for tighter gun control. By calling him out on it, we nipped him in the bud. He then had to settle for page 8 before attempting to make this into a gun control thread again.

You seem very well informed about tims psyche, I didn't see his SB Zoo comment that way.

I think this thread is as good a place as any to discuss gun control. Although Rodger apparently made legal purchases so not much could be done about that unless we start releasing all medical records to the state so they can go into the background check system, which doesn't sound like a great idea (but I am open to hearing well reasoned arguments for that).

If, however, the police knew he owned three guns prior to interviewing him perhaps they would have not been so quick to consider him harmless.

We'll never know.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Spock was an interesting character in Star Trek. Very intelligent and analytical, yet unable to comprehend human emotion and social cues.

I imagine a nine year old Spock would be very much like my son.

Well at least you have a few years before you have to start worrying about Pon Farr.

 

[Politician Spock]

You seem very well informed about tims psyche

With his 10,000 posts per year here, who isn't?

 

[PatsWillWin]

PS directed the conversation towards his son and his personal experiences with an issue relevant to this event.

Tim makes every thread about him and his blowhard opinions.

Huge difference.