Kitna (2 Viewers)

[thatguythere]

Is Kitna going to look like the Kitna vs Wash, or will the Lions bounce back and Kitna remain an every week starter? Or will he turn into a on again/off again play against weaker defenses or home games... As a Lion fan it is hard to get a gauge on how the season will progress....with our track record its hard to think objectively and not go negative. I have a couple mid tier QB's in case Kitna doesn't cut it, but I have a lot invested in FF and as a regular football fan. The week 5 goose egg has me a little worried. Anyone else worried about Kitna as their QB1? Wondering what the overall feeling is on him.

Lions Schedule

7 Sun, Oct 21 Tampa Bay

8 Sun, Oct 28 at Chicago

9 Sun, Nov 4 Denver

10 Sun, Nov 11 at Arizona

11 Sun, Nov 18 NY Giants

12 Thu, Nov 22 Green Bay

13 Sun, Dec 2 at Minnesota

14 Sun, Dec 9 Dallas

15 Sun, Dec 16 at San Diego

16 Sun, Dec 23 Kansas City

17 Sun, Dec 30 at Green Bay

 

[maxwell1295]

The schedule certainly looks promising and as a Kitna owner in several leagues, I hope he does perform like he did the first couple of weeks. Tampa's going to be tough, but he should be humming along after that. Not so sure about that 12/30 game in GB. Who knows what the weather will be like then...

 

[southeastjerome]

If I were a Kitna owner, my main concern would be him staying healthy. He's on track to get sacked even more than last year. There is only so much one guy can take. I wouldn't say that the remaining schedule is all that favorable. Three, maybe four games are what I would call favorable matchups for him (Zona, NYG, Dallas, maybe at Chicago).

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Washington has been completely shutting down QBs all year.

I think your biggest fear should be his health more than his matchups. His line doesn't give a ton of protection, and teams like NYG and SD that have recently rediscovered their pass rush could take him out for part of the game or even subsequent games. As far as matchups, TB this week might be tough although I think he can still compile enough stats to be a #1. They have enough weapons to get beyond Champ and Bly which seems to be the recipe for QB success against Denver.

I plan on plugging him in pretty much every week, but you'd better make sure you have a plan B because he may not last the whole season.

 

[maxwell1295]

Plan B for me is Favre in most cases, although I may have that backwards...

 

[Restricted]

The schedule certainly looks promising and as a Kitna owner in several leagues, I hope he does perform like he did the first couple of weeks. Tampa's going to be tough, but he should be humming along after that. Not so sure about that 12/30 game in GB. Who knows what the weather will be like then...

The Denver game also isn't that good, GB's corners are solid. If you're looking at the 12/30 game it's week 17 and you're in the championship.

 

[maxwell1295]

The schedule certainly looks promising and as a Kitna owner in several leagues, I hope he does perform like he did the first couple of weeks. Tampa's going to be tough, but he should be humming along after that. Not so sure about that 12/30 game in GB. Who knows what the weather will be like then...

The Denver game also isn't that good, GB's corners are solid. If you're looking at the 12/30 game it's week 17 and you're in the championship.

Exactly. Is there any other way to look at it?

 

[shadyridr]

The schedule certainly looks promising and as a Kitna owner in several leagues, I hope he does perform like he did the first couple of weeks. Tampa's going to be tough, but he should be humming along after that. Not so sure about that 12/30 game in GB. Who knows what the weather will be like then...

The Denver game also isn't that good, GB's corners are solid. If you're looking at the 12/30 game it's week 17 and you're in the championship.

meh, Denver has no pass rush so DET should be able to pass all day on Denver even if they gotta go away from Champ and throw to their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th WR. The TB game worries me the most

 

[turkishkamel]

If I were a Kitna owner, my main concern would be him staying healthy. He's on track to get sacked even more than last year. There is only so much one guy can take. I wouldn't say that the remaining schedule is all that favorable. Three, maybe four games are what I would call favorable matchups for him (Zona, NYG, Dallas, maybe at Chicago).

this is my main concern as a lions fan (not a kitna owner). he gets sacked a lot, he gets hit a whole lot more. i have a hard time seeing him play 16 games. he's tough as nails, but like the poster said above, theres only so much one guy can take. i hope, for the lions sake, he can stay healthy because they'd be awful w/o him.

 

[Craig]

The schedule certainly looks promising and as a Kitna owner in several leagues, I hope he does perform like he did the first couple of weeks. Tampa's going to be tough, but he should be humming along after that. Not so sure about that 12/30 game in GB. Who knows what the weather will be like then...

The Denver game also isn't that good, GB's corners are solid. If you're looking at the 12/30 game it's week 17 and you're in the championship.

meh, Denver has no pass rush so DET should be able to pass all day on Denver even if they gotta go away from Champ and throw to their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th WR. The TB game worries me the most

Ditto. That's why I will sit Kitna and start Garcia against the pityful Lion pass defense.

 

[fflnut]

I'd hope that with KJ's reemergence that Kitna won't get smashed as much as he has been this year.

 

[Joe Kidd]

Is anyone else worried that the Lions may try to run the ball more than usual this game, due to:

A) Facing a top 10 Pass D, giving up less than a Pass TD a game.

B) Facing a Run D that is ranked 21st in the league.

C) And with Marinelli stating that they woul like to get KJ 20-25 carries.

Thus giving Kitna a subpar day?

 

[shadyridr]

Is anyone else worried that the Lions may try to run the ball more than usual this game, due to: A) Facing a top 10 Pass D, giving up less than a Pass TD a game. B) Facing a Run D that is ranked 21st in the league. C) And with Marinelli stating that they woul like to get KJ 20-25 carries. Thus giving Kitna a subpar day?

I can see that very much. I expect a subpar day but my alternatives are Bulger or Garrard and I just cant see benching Kitna for them.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I could bench Kitna, go with Campbell, play Kevin Jones, bench Roy Williams and assure everyone then that Kitna and Roy would light it up and Campbell will suck.

 

[sho nuff]

He is destined to be on fire from here on out....because I just traded him.

All of you Kitna owners...you're welcome.

 

[turleyfan]

I could bench Kitna, go with Campbell, play Kevin Jones, bench Roy Williams and assure everyone then that Kitna and Roy would light it up and Campbell will suck.

Yeah, can you go ahead and do that for me? TIA.

 

[xenith]

Is anyone else worried that the Lions may try to run the ball more than usual this game, due to: A) Facing a top 10 Pass D, giving up less than a Pass TD a game. B) Facing a Run D that is ranked 21st in the league. C) And with Marinelli stating that they woul like to get KJ 20-25 carries. Thus giving Kitna a subpar day?

I can see that very much. I expect a subpar day but my alternatives are Bulger or Garrard and I just cant see benching Kitna for them.

I'm seriously considering starting Gerrard over Kitna this week. But I am honestly on the fence.

 

[WhoDat]

As was mentioned, Kitna's health not the schedule is my primary concern as a Lions fan and Kitna owner. Before the season started the Lions schedule looked brutal. Now, it is not nearly as bad, as more than a few of the teams left have defenses that are nowhere near as good as their 2006 versions. Also, the Lions tend to be a little more competitive at Ford Field and they catch a few breaks with certain teams.

Kitna will not make it through the season at the current hit/sack rate. The Lions are going to have to patch together a line...sit some overpriced and underproducing OL...and being to run the ball enough to keep a defense honest, which should not be an issue with K. Jones coming back to health.

Another worry, though, is that G. Williams and the Skins just put a decent blue print for slowing/stopping the Lions onto tape for the rest of the league. Now, not every team left on the Lions schedule has a secondary with as much overall talent as the Skins (Taylor and Landry augment the play at CB) but the recipe is available. Martz is going to have a tough task from here on out and I am curious to see what, if any, adjustments he makes. Having Jones back should help or at least in theory it should help but Martz's hubris is his own worst enemy.

 

[shredhead]

I could bench Kitna, go with Campbell, play Kevin Jones, bench Roy Williams and assure everyone then that Kitna and Roy would light it up and Campbell will suck.

Thanks! I have Kitna and Roy in my lineup. My alternatives are Huard at QB and Curtis at WR, but I think I'll keep Kitna and Roy in thanks to this info.

He is destined to be on fire from here on out....because I just traded him.All of you Kitna owners...you're welcome.

Thanks man!! Football Guys are Da Bomb!!

 

[Joe Kidd]

Another worry, though, is that G. Williams and the Skins just put a decent blue print for slowing/stopping the Lions onto tape for the rest of the league.

I thought the same thing.I'm beginning to lean toward Garcia this week. Just seems more of a sure thing to put up points. That Wash. game definitely has made me gun shy, especially with Tampa coming to town.

 

[shadyridr]

Another worry, though, is that G. Williams and the Skins just put a decent blue print for slowing/stopping the Lions onto tape for the rest of the league.

I thought the same thing.I'm beginning to lean toward Garcia this week. Just seems more of a sure thing to put up points. That Wash. game definitely has made me gun shy, especially with Tampa coming to town.

If TB puts up pts wouldnt also make sense that DET will put up pts? Or do you think TB shutsdown DET in Detroit?

 

[shadyridr]

Is anyone else worried that the Lions may try to run the ball more than usual this game, due to: A) Facing a top 10 Pass D, giving up less than a Pass TD a game. B) Facing a Run D that is ranked 21st in the league. C) And with Marinelli stating that they woul like to get KJ 20-25 carries. Thus giving Kitna a subpar day?

I can see that very much. I expect a subpar day but my alternatives are Bulger or Garrard and I just cant see benching Kitna for them.

I'm seriously considering starting Gerrard over Kitna this week. But I am honestly on the fence.

I have visions of them running the ball 40 times like last yr vs Indy

 

[Joe Kidd]

Another worry, though, is that G. Williams and the Skins just put a decent blue print for slowing/stopping the Lions onto tape for the rest of the league.

I thought the same thing.I'm beginning to lean toward Garcia this week. Just seems more of a sure thing to put up points. That Wash. game definitely has made me gun shy, especially with Tampa coming to town.

If TB puts up pts wouldnt also make sense that DET will put up pts? Or do you think TB shutsdown DET in Detroit?

I'm seeing this game as having a chance to be similar to the Wash. game. In that game Campbell went 23-29 for 248 yds, 2 TD's, and no int's. Kitna was 16-29 for 106 yds, 0 Td's, and 2 int's. (Every QB facing Det. this year has made it look extremely easy except for Tarvaris)I do look for Kitna to rebound to better #'s, but think it will be difficult to get to his average, which equates to a risky play. I definitely think other avg. Qb's with favorable match-ups are the safer play here.

 

[sebringc4]

Kitnas hasn't been special this year. In my league, he had one great week (23pts), two avg weeks (16 & 13 pts) and the rest below avg. Fortunately, I picked up Brees a couple of weeks ago off the WW. This morning I picked up Warner off the WW and comptemplating trading or dropping Kitna. Warner has a very favorable schedule the rest of the year and may be available.

Kitna is going to be too inconsistent and I don't see many big payoff games to be worth it. Detroit is actually competitive this year and I have no doubt DET's HC has told Martz not to give the game away.

 

[blue&silver]

Kitna was 24-35 for 268 yards this week and was 1-yard away from a TD pass to RW who was pulled down trying to get in the endzone. He will be fine.

Kitna is not Peyton, but he's a lot better than Kurt Warner. Might want to rethink that move.

Edit to add: If they don't run the ball Kitna doesn't make it through the year. They have given up over 30 sacks. He can't keep going being hit that many times. The run helps him get a touch more time, with the playaction. As a Lions fan, I'm loving the balance in the offense and the fact that KJ looks like the back we drafted.

 

[urbanhack]

Kitna looked really good yesterday, he just didn't get the ball in the end zone.

If they can protect him and keep the running game going, I'm not worried.

 

[thatguythere]

I can't continue to take it in the ### from Jon K. I'm a Lions fan till the end but he and Roy are ruining my fantasy season. I should have known better than to take Lions players because now the 5 and 2 record is very bittersweet. I don't have very many other options though so it will probably be ride it out with Kitna and either lose or barely sneak in the playoffs.

 

[Payne]

I don't see him airing it out now that Jones is back. They seem to be very balanced.

Expect "normal" numbers...220-250 with maybe a TD or two.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Bust.

 

[Sheriff66]

Is Kitna ever going to throw a TD again ? He is really starting to worry me since KJ got back, and what QBs should I be targeting for the second half run ? I'm thinking of going after Carson Palmer, I really like his schedule and I think the Bungles are going to start slinging it around starting next week. I'm starting to panic a little bit, Kitna is taking my good team and throwing it in the toilet...

 

[Filthy]

In week #5, when I questioned a guy in my league for trading D. Anderson, Harrison, Addai for Kitna, T.O. and Rudi he nearly screamed at me. He's now 1-7 and he's probably in a fetal position somewhere sucking his thumb.

 

[Wingnut]

Im trying to package Kitna in a deal that would land me either Rivers or Garcia. Both are backups in my league so Im hoping I can land one of them. Im 2-7 but am only a game and a half out of 1st in my division, so theres hope yet.

Over the past 4 weeks Kitna has netted me exactly ONE point (-2, 0, 0, 3). Not surprising Ive lost 3 in a row. No QB points = losses in FF.

 

[shadyridr]

As a Kitna owner Im targeting Brees to go after

 

[thatguythere]

As a Kitna owner Im targeting Brees to go after

good luck with that. If Brees owners waited this long they aren't giving him up now.

 

[shadyridr]

As a Kitna owner Im targeting Brees to go after

good luck with that. If Brees owners waited this long they aren't giving him up now.

The Brees owner in my league also has Anderson

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

Over the past 4 weeks Kitna has netted me exactly ONE point (-2, 0, 0, 3). Not surprising Ive lost 3 in a row. No QB points = losses in FF.

Almost 270 yards passing, no INTs, no fumbles (and no TDs) only gets you 3 points? Tough scoring system...

 

[Wingnut]

Over the past 4 weeks Kitna has netted me exactly ONE point (-2, 0, 0, 3). Not surprising Ive lost 3 in a row. No QB points = losses in FF.

Almost 270 yards passing, no INTs, no fumbles (and no TDs) only gets you 3 points? Tough scoring system...

Yup. QBs get 2pts at 200 yards, then 1 per 50yds after that (with bonuses at 300, 400 and 500yds).

 

[Gopher State]

I think Kitna is still a good play, good passing match ups with Mn & SD, plus Kevin Jones is no sure thing to not get injured, which would lead to more passing. Plus you have the Lions defense which will give up some points against the better teams. I say Kitna is a buy low now.

 

[thatguythere]

Over the past 4 weeks Kitna has netted me exactly ONE point (-2, 0, 0, 3). Not surprising Ive lost 3 in a row. No QB points = losses in FF.

Almost 270 yards passing, no INTs, no fumbles (and no TDs) only gets you 3 points? Tough scoring system...

One of those weeks was obviously his bye. The last three games Kitna has gone 0, 2, 5 for me.

I think Kitna is still a good play, good passing match ups with Mn & SD, plus Kevin Jones is no sure thing to not get injured, which would lead to more passing. Plus you have the Lions defense which will give up some points against the better teams. I say Kitna is a buy low now.

Yeah, I'll say. Right about now I'd take a series from the Tom Brady owner.

 

[sebringc4]

Kitna was 24-35 for 268 yards this week and was 1-yard away from a TD pass to RW who was pulled down trying to get in the endzone. He will be fine.Kitna is not Peyton, but he's a lot better than Kurt Warner. Might want to rethink that move.Edit to add: If they don't run the ball Kitna doesn't make it through the year. They have given up over 30 sacks. He can't keep going being hit that many times. The run helps him get a touch more time, with the playaction. As a Lions fan, I'm loving the balance in the offense and the fact that KJ looks like the back we drafted.

If DET continues with its balance attack, which we have seen the last couple of weeks now that Jones is back, I believe Kitna will be an average QB. Nothing special. With his weak Oline, I expect him to be avg or below most of the time. Kitna's schedule is below and is definitely not a cake walk. I don't believe if your in a 12 team league and have a chance for the championship, you plan on winning it with Kitna. In my mind, he's not top 12 QB anymore. Sun 11/4 Denver 1:00 pm Sun 11/11 at Arizona 4:15 pm Sun 11/18 NY Giants 1:00 pm Thu 11/22 Green Bay 12:30 pm Sun 12/2 at Minnesota 1:00 pm Sun 12/9 Dallas 1:00 pm Sun 12/16 at San Diego 4:15 pm Sun 12/23 Kansas City 1:00 pm Warner's toys are Fitz and Boldin, and I believe ARI Oline protects him better than DET Oline protects Kitna. He also has James that can keep DEFs honest. Warner's schedule after Tampa, especially the playoff weeks, are ridiculously easy. I can easily see 2TDs every week from him. Sun 11/4 at Tampa Bay 1:00 pm Sun 11/11 Detroit 4:15 pm Sun 11/18 at Cincinnati 1:00 pm Sun 11/25 San Francisco 4:05 pm Sun 12/2 Cleveland 4:05 pm Sun 12/9 at Seattle 4:05 pm Sun 12/16 at New Orleans 1:00 pm Sun 12/23 Atlanta 4:05 pm I plan to check into if the owner would trade Fitz for Kitna. He has McNabb and Garrard.

 

[D_House]

Im trying to package Kitna in a deal that would land me either Rivers or Garcia. Both are backups in my league so Im hoping I can land one of them. Im 2-7 but am only a game and a half out of 1st in my division, so theres hope yet. Over the past 4 weeks Kitna has netted me exactly ONE point (-2, 0, 0, 3). Not surprising Ive lost 3 in a row. No QB points = losses in FF.

I made a Kitna for Rivers trade before this weekend in a redraft, standard scoring league.

 

[Who am I?]

I'm struggling with keeping him and Warner or trying to package Kitna with a WR like Roy Williams, Holt or Galloway for Palmer.

 

[xenith]

As a Kitna owner Im targeting Brees to go after

good luck with that. If Brees owners waited this long they aren't giving him up now.

The Brees owner in my league also has Anderson

And has Romo in my league, so I'm targetting Brees as well. Since he's set at QB w/out Brees, but really needs help at WR, he's got him undervalued. Just about to steal him for Galloway and bump Kitna to backup where I believe he belongs.

 

[shadyridr]

As a Kitna owner Im targeting Brees to go after

good luck with that. If Brees owners waited this long they aren't giving him up now.

The Brees owner in my league also has Anderson

And has Romo in my league, so I'm targetting Brees as well. Since he's set at QB w/out Brees, but really needs help at WR, he's got him undervalued. Just about to steal him for Galloway and bump Kitna to backup where I believe he belongs.

I offered Galloway for Brees today and so far he declined. Im gonna keep at it.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

The schedule looks a lot worse for Kevin Jones than it does for Kitna/Williams but it's still not great for the latter. As a McNabb/Kitna owner I don't really see a week where I'm likely to start Kitna other than maybe Week 10.

 

[shadyridr]

Call me crazy but I like this matchup vs DEN. Sure they cant stop the run and sure they have lockdown corners but their pass rush is abysmal and Kitna should be able to pick apart the Denver nicklebacks.

 

[xenith]

As a Kitna owner Im targeting Brees to go after

good luck with that. If Brees owners waited this long they aren't giving him up now.

The Brees owner in my league also has Anderson

And has Romo in my league, so I'm targetting Brees as well. Since he's set at QB w/out Brees, but really needs help at WR, he's got him undervalued. Just about to steal him for Galloway and bump Kitna to backup where I believe he belongs.

I offered Galloway for Brees today and so far he declined. Im gonna keep at it.

Classic!! Good time to sell high on Galloway in my opinion. I like him, but he's really streaky, and buried as my WR4, even further to WR5 when Andre Johnson comes back. My target owner needs a BYE week Kicker this week, so I'd offer to solve that if need be to finish up the deal, but I think he's gonna take it.Another note on Kitna, and this might be better for the coach forum, if I pulled this off for Brees, I just might offer Kitna to another needy owner, and wait for Gerrard to come back as my QB2. Perhaps I can sneak Colsten from him to connect the Saints combo.

 

[Payne]

I'm struggling with keeping him and Warner or trying to package Kitna with a WR like Roy Williams, Holt or Galloway for Palmer.

Looking to do the same sort of thing. Keep debating it in my mind.

 

[shadyridr]

So are Kitna owners starting him this week vs DEN? Im not too concerned about Denver's "vaunted" pass defense. Im more concerned with Denver's horrible run defense and the Lions desire to run the ball now. I dont expect more than 200 yds and 1 td. Im thinking about Losman vs CINCY

 

[Grahamburn]

So are Kitna owners starting him this week vs DEN? Im not too concerned about Denver's "vaunted" pass defense. Im more concerned with Denver's horrible run defense and the Lions desire to run the ball now. I dont expect more than 200 yds and 1 td. Im thinking about Losman vs CINCY

I was also thinking about grabbing Losman off the wire and pairing him with Lee Evans for the matchup vs. the Bengals this week, but after watching Brett torch the Denver secondary Monday night I'm having second thoughts. The lions seem to have fared much better in their own building this season, and being a Kitna owner, I've watched many of their games. Kitna has been very efficient the last two weeks against Tampa and the Bears. I get the feeling the touchdowns are going to come.Denver likely will not be able to stop the Lions on the ground, leading to many scoring opportunities. I like Jon to get at least two of those to go with something like 225 yards. Champ Bailey and Dre Bly can't cover all four of the Lions wideouts, can they?