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TheFanatic
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sholditch
Footballguy
Chicago, as a city, seems to have a cloud of insanity settling over it. The bears have hinted that they won't be bringing anyone in to replace Benson. The Bulls, in a period when two of the most highly regarded names in coaching are free agents, are looking at someone who has never coached to coach the Bulls. And the Cubs are winning, and appear to be in good order. Everything has gone wrong.
Really...I missed it.....link?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
:( :X
David Yudkin
Footballguy
May. 12, 2008 - 7:26 p.m. ET
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that the Patriots brought in Kevin Jones for a meeting last week.
May. 22, 2008 - 8:23 p.m. ET
In addition to Ron Dayne, the Titans met with free agent Kevin Jones on Thursday.
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that the Patriots brought in Kevin Jones for a meeting last week.
May. 22, 2008 - 8:23 p.m. ET
In addition to Ron Dayne, the Titans met with free agent Kevin Jones on Thursday.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I knew that the Pats worked him out. And both of these would've been before the open work out he had, correct? Any idea of whom attended that open workout?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I thought the Cards were going for more of a power running game. Not sure that KJ has the skill set or body type for that....
Thanks David.....was this ever on the Blogger News? I check there pretty much every day and I missed it if it was there? Also was there a thread about it?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IIRC, the "open workout" hasn't happened yet and is scheduled for 6/28. He had a tape of a workout the end of May, but I'm not sure that was announced and with teams present.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
offdee
Footballguy
Copied from the FBG Blogger archives...from May 13th (Patriots) and May 23rd (Titans)----------------------May 13, 2008, 01:40 Patriots :: RBPatriots Host Free Agent RB K. Jones For A VisitAdam Schefter, NFL Network, NFL.com - [Full Article]Adam Schefter at NFL Network reports that the New England Patriots brought free agent running back Kevin Jones in for a visit last week. --------------------------May 23, 2008, 01:32 Titans :: RB, OLTitans Bring In Free Agents RB Jones, OL Snell For VisitsTerry McCormick, Nashville City Paper - [Full Article]The Tennessee Titans recently brought in free agents running back Kevin Jones and offensive lineman Isaac Snell for visits. No word on whether the team is planning to offer either player a contract is currently available.
Max Power
Footballguy
To be honest, I am not totally sure what Arizona is looking for in a RB. However Whisenhunt should understand that this is the Arizona Cardnals we are talking about. I don't watch enough Cards games to be in the know, but it seems like a RB that has some Receiving skills would go a long way in this offense.
Missed that..........
TheFanatic
Footballguy
They have a RB with incredible receiving skills and they rarely use him in that way. I was sure that Warner would feed the RB a lot like he did with Faulk, but passes to the RB aren't called very often. James had 38 recepts his first year as a Card and 24 last year. One would think getting an older guy the ball in space would allow him to use his experience to get around defenders instead of having to use speed and power that may be on the decline at this point in time...
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Interesting KJ stats:
In games KJ has 15 or more carries: 24 games, 500 carries for 2196 yards, 4.4 YPC.
In games KJ has fewer than 15 carries: 29 games, 261 carries for 871 yards, 3.3 YPC.
In games KJ has 15 or more carries: 24 games, 500 carries for 2196 yards, 4.4 YPC.
In games KJ has fewer than 15 carries: 29 games, 261 carries for 871 yards, 3.3 YPC.
JPeso
Footballguy
Right. Martz abandoned the run early and often last year. He either had big games, or he put up single-digits in your lineup. Chalk that up to a terrible offensive line and bad playcalling.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
To get their attention and cause a stir.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Mike Martz abandoned the run? No way. Remember that for those of you that thinks Gore is in for a monster year...
Andy Herron
Footballguy
JPeso
Footballguy
Not so fast. He isn't having near as much control over playcalling as in Detroit. He and Marinelli were never on the same page, and it showed. Nolan laying down the law!
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Nolan laying down the law to an OC with more HC experience than the HC. Good luck with that. I hope you are right. If you are and Martz can be controlled, the 49ers will have a very formidable O. But getting someone to crack his skull and get any notion that passing 75% of the time is the way to win in the NFL is another story...
sholditch
Footballguy
I'm sorry, but is Martz now in the business of building cyborgs that play QB and WR, not to mention O-line? Formidable? Seriously? Wow...
That's why I still think KJ has a shot at being a decent RB in this league. Guy is a very hard worker. If he can come back from his injuries and stay on the field, it'll be interesting to see if he can carve out a starting gig somewhere.
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
I think that was the big problem in Detroit. Marinelli didn't tighten the reigns enough and it showed (The Lions went 6-2 in games where they ran for over 100 yards as a team).Even in his St. Louis days, Martz has been up/down regards to running the ball...2000: Faulk averaged 18 CPG2001: Faulk averaged 19 CPG2002: Faulk averaged 14 CPG2003: Faulk averaged 19 CPG2004: Faulk averaged 14 CPG & SJ 10 CPG2006: Kevin Jones averaged 15 CPG2007: Kevin Jones averaged 12 CPGI definitely think that, if healthy Kevin Jones can be a reliable backup although I'm not sure if he'll be signed as a starter unless an injury strikes a team. He's never played a full 16 games and his last 3 years have been 13, 12, and 13.What intrigues me is that he had 61 catches in 2006 under Martz (5 catches per game) and that could boost KJ's value as a possible 3rd down back should he not find a team that will let him start.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Is it all that interesting?Doesn't that pattern generally hold true for all RBs?In games where the RB is ineffective, he doesn't get many carries. For KJ, there have been a LOT of those games. The likely causality is probably the converse of what i think you are trying to imply.
JPeso
Footballguy
Did you watch Detroit play last year?
purestrength
Footballguy
I second the "good posting" message.
5Rings
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Dude, I think Martz has a shot at a relatively balanced attack due to the simple fact SF has a D and won't be down by 21 early in the 2nd qtr like DET was last year, and his best player is Gore instead of a WR like CJ or Roy...butA "formidable O"? Dude, I'm a homer, and even then...BEST CASE scenario with the talent on hand is Average. Martz gets this O squad into the upper 16 of the league and he can run for mayor.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
did KJ invite scouts to the nearest golf course to watch him do laps around the green again?
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
There are exceptions to this. MJD and ADPHoly Schneikes said:
bcr8f
Footballguy
OK if you factor in Martz's hatred of running backs. After KJ's 23 carry 2 touchdown game last year he got 6 and 9 carries the next 2 games.bcr8f said:Might want to factor in the O's lack of TOP, field position, turnovers.....they spent all year otf.
sholditch
Footballguy
Thought about that when I heard the news this morning. I apologize. As a lifelong fan I should have known better than to mention them playing well before the end of the season.Thanks for jinxing Soriano.sholditch said:
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Apparently, both Kevin Jones and his agent have reached out to the Bears recently-
(Published today)
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...1,2447542.story
Shortly after the Detroit Lions released him in March, Kevin Jones made a phone call to Tommie Harris—a former rival on the field but a close friend off it dating back to their high school all-star days.
"He was surprised, just as a lot of people around the league were surprised," Jones, a free-agent running back, said Wednesday night. "I told him I'd love to come out there and that he needed to holler at one of the coaches for me. Tommie said, 'Yeah, I'll talk to them.' "
The Bears might not need Harris' prodding to make a move on Jones. His agent, Blake Baratz, called the Bears shortly after Cedric Benson was arrested for the second time in five weeks. Benson was released Monday, leaving the starting job in the hands of rookie Matt Forte.
Jones might not be bad insurance.
"Chicago would be the perfect situation," Jones said. "I'm familiar with the division. The Bears, they know what I have. I've made plays against them. I made plays against other teams in the league. Chicago would just be perfect. And I hope they know it would be perfect too."
The feedback Jones received through his agent is that the Bears like his ability but are in no rush to make a decision.
Jones, a former first-round pick who rushed for 1,000 yards as a rookie, continues to work out in Saline, Mich., trying to rehab from a torn ACL in his right knee sustained last season. He had a left-foot injury at the end of the 2006 season.
"To me, I'm a franchise player who just had a couple of unfortunate injuries back to back," Jones said. "It's a business. I know there are concerns about my health. But at the same time, I'm on pace to where I need to be to be successful this season."
Jones had planned a private workout for teams later this month, but he's more likely simply to send interested teams a highlight of his personal workout. You can bet the Bears will be on the mailing list.
"My career ain't over," Jones said. "And when I get on the field, I will prove it."
(Published today)
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...1,2447542.story
Shortly after the Detroit Lions released him in March, Kevin Jones made a phone call to Tommie Harris—a former rival on the field but a close friend off it dating back to their high school all-star days.
"He was surprised, just as a lot of people around the league were surprised," Jones, a free-agent running back, said Wednesday night. "I told him I'd love to come out there and that he needed to holler at one of the coaches for me. Tommie said, 'Yeah, I'll talk to them.' "
The Bears might not need Harris' prodding to make a move on Jones. His agent, Blake Baratz, called the Bears shortly after Cedric Benson was arrested for the second time in five weeks. Benson was released Monday, leaving the starting job in the hands of rookie Matt Forte.
Jones might not be bad insurance.
"Chicago would be the perfect situation," Jones said. "I'm familiar with the division. The Bears, they know what I have. I've made plays against them. I made plays against other teams in the league. Chicago would just be perfect. And I hope they know it would be perfect too."
The feedback Jones received through his agent is that the Bears like his ability but are in no rush to make a decision.
Jones, a former first-round pick who rushed for 1,000 yards as a rookie, continues to work out in Saline, Mich., trying to rehab from a torn ACL in his right knee sustained last season. He had a left-foot injury at the end of the 2006 season.
"To me, I'm a franchise player who just had a couple of unfortunate injuries back to back," Jones said. "It's a business. I know there are concerns about my health. But at the same time, I'm on pace to where I need to be to be successful this season."
Jones had planned a private workout for teams later this month, but he's more likely simply to send interested teams a highlight of his personal workout. You can bet the Bears will be on the mailing list.
"My career ain't over," Jones said. "And when I get on the field, I will prove it."
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Yup. I watched TJ Duckett look pretty effective in the same situations KJ was sucking.JPeso said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
All 58 of his carries?
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
ADP 15+ attempt games 6.24 avgADP <15 attempts games 4.45 avgThe trend still works, it's just that ADP has much better numbers in both scenarios.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
How many do you need?The fact is, Duckett, who is generally regarded as a backup talent at best, performed significantly better than KJ did. So did all the other runners on the roster at the time.I'm not saying Detroit was a great place to run the ball, but it certainly wasn't an IMPOSSIBLE place to run the ball. What I am saying is that the stat breakdown intended to prop up Jones' weak numbers is not particularly useful, because the trend basically applies to all RBs and even if it didn't, there is real "chicken and egg" problem with it as well.It's kind of like when everybody says, "when team X runs the ball more, they win", when the more accurate statement is usually "team X runs the ball more when they are winning".There is a reason no team is rushing out to pick KJ up for no draft pick compensation.
