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Kolb is done playing the good soldier (1 Viewer)
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Kolb is due $1.3 million this year. We already paid him $12 million this past season, as part of his two-year extension. The Eagles aren't letting him go without an absolute king's ransom, nor should they.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
He can't go anywhere in the short term to begin with. Teams can't make trades without a new CBA. And if the draft comes without a new CBA, teams will have to draft but cannot make trades invilving players for draft picks. I wonder what the Eagles would consider trading him for given that they would be looking at 2012 draft picks or behind if there was no new labor deal (which to me seems like there won't be).
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Haven't seen anything to suggest they've backed off their demand for TWO first round picks. Which, as you know, means he'll most likely be the Eagles QB2 next year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If there is football in 2011 what are the chances he refuses to play and gladly gives back 6 million? (half of his two year contract).
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Who has ever heard of giving back $6 million? Particularly when it's half of your net worth?
DoubleG
Footballguy
If the Vikings are smart (and the Eagles lower their asking price to something less Cutler-esque), they snag Kolb.
History has shown this not to be the case however, so the Vikings will probably pick up Donovan McNabb (whom two fairly respected coaches have already gotten rid of in Moss-like fashion) and Kolb will end up somewhere else - like SF or most likely as Vick's backup.
History has shown this not to be the case however, so the Vikings will probably pick up Donovan McNabb (whom two fairly respected coaches have already gotten rid of in Moss-like fashion) and Kolb will end up somewhere else - like SF or most likely as Vick's backup.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I guess it depends what another team unofficially offers behind close doors.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
What if SF or Carolina offers him 20 million behind closed doors to sit out a year and sign with them when in 2012?
Lehigh98
Footballguy
What good does sitting for a year do?
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Well said by JW inthe Eagles thread...
Not to mention Vick's playing style may lead to being out at least a few games and needing someone else to play QB.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Somehow, I don't think the worst team in the NFL (who is already struggling financially) is going to offer a QB who hasn't shown much $20 million to do nothing for a year.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
First of all, that would be illegal. Second of all, how would any player accept a handshake deal that by its nature couldn't be legally binding? I'm not sure what you're getting at here Johnny. Why wouldn't Kolb play for his $1+ million, particularly when he's one hit away from being back starting for one of the youngest teams in the league that just set a franchise record for points scored?
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
teams that could/should take a look:
AZ
CAR
CIN
CLE
JAX
MIA
MIN
OAK
SEA
SF
TEN
WAS
AZ, MIA, MIN, SF, TEN....should take a strong look....TEN might be a good fit.....
AZ
CAR
CIN
CLE
JAX
MIA
MIN
OAK
SEA
SF
TEN
WAS
AZ, MIA, MIN, SF, TEN....should take a strong look....TEN might be a good fit.....
5Rings
Lurker
I think you are vastly overrating Kolb.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why would he need to sit out a year to sign in 2012?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He seemed pretty adament about not playing behind Michael Vick. Is that just smoke and mirrors?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He signed a two year contract last year, so unless he's traded he is Eagles property.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It's posturing. I would posture if I were him too, because right now he's set to be a backup and make next to nothing. I'm sure he would much rather have a chance to start, and the multi-year extension and big signing bonus that would come with it. But the Eagles have never let posturing get in the way of logic, save for perhaps the time Reid got mad at Jeremiah Trotter and yanked the transition tag away from him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He's better than anyone in this year's draft.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
From the surface that would appear so, but I'm not so certain of that. He's been a backup for 4 years. He will be 27 next season. He's had enough IMO.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm sure he has, he also has no leverage. He's under contract. It's not like he's a RFA refusing to sign his tender (aka Vincent Jackson). He either plays or he doesn't, but if he doesn't the Eagles retain his rights. He has zero leverage. I'm sure Andy and Howie will field plenty of calls, but further complicating the situation is the lack of a CBA. Until that gets settled, all this talk is academic anyway.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
His only leverage is playing only 6 games next year to accrue another season of service time to become a free agent.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Exactly. So why wouldn't he stay on as a backup and play for this devious rule breaking team in 2012?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
True, as stated in the quoted part of the OP. How does the Eagles retain rights after his contract expires, especially if he pays back a prorated amount? I'm sure there would be a mediator involved who would have the final say.
5Rings
Lurker
I think his value took a significant hit this season. I'm not so sure I agree with you that Kolb would be the #1 QB in this weak draft.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He might very well do that, but like I said, he was pretty adament about not playing behind Michael Vick.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
He has no right to pay back his signing bonus for free agency. That's not an option. If he sat out, the Eagles could go after a portion of his signing bonus, which would be a different story entirely. But yet again, the Eagles control that card, not Kolb.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Why do we think Kolb is done playing the good soldier?
Is he demanding to start or be traded?
Is he demanding to start or be traded?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Johnny is reading too much into this article:http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eag...l#ixzz1AbhEiau1
Kolb comes off very logical and level headed. He wants to start, as ANY player should want to. And he realizes that a lot of that is out of his control, but he's making his feelings known. I like the competitiveness.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Vick has no contract, so not sure how they can trade him without one.
Insein
Footballguy
Kolb is not going anywhere. He signed a 2 year, $12mil deal last year. They paid him $10.5 last year. He doesn't have to give any of that back. Its his money already. Eagles are only paying him $1.5mil this year (approx). The eagles will not trade him unless it was an overwhelming offer. I think Vick is a more tradeable commodity. People will overpay for him and he plays a style that is a lot more risky to giving a large contract to. I'm worried about paying Vick lots of money for long years. Doesn't seem like a good investment.
Insein
Footballguy
Franchise tag.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Not so sure about that. Vick has baggage, is older, and isn't a great fit in a lot of offensive schemes I'm sure. I suspect a much more likely scenario would be trading Kolb, since he's young, has enough experience for coaches to think he can start, and is currently a backup. But other teams are going to have to bowl the Eagle over with trade swag.The ONLY caveat to that statement is if Reid has decided that, for whatever reason, Kolb can't succeed in his system. I don't see any reason to believe he's come to that conclusion, but if you see Kolb traded for anything short of a massive haul, that's why.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If there still is a franchise tag. And IIRC, he would be due over $20 million for one year guaranteed. I doubt they trade Vick, as there would be pandemonium and chaos in the streets if they did.
SWC
Bromigo
its hard to say if the eagles would be more likely to get a second round pick for kolb or the broncos would get a second round pick for orton but all i know is this that there is almost no chance one team will trade for both or pay either of them twenty big millionies to sit out in a secret backroom deal its just not worth the fines and draft pick penalties that the new commish who is tough as nails would hand down hammurabi style for illicit meddling like that brothers
You're probably right except Vick is a great offensive weapon that many teams would like to have but he does have baggage. I bought into the Kolb hype before the season but I have to admit he hasn't looked as good as advertized.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I agree it's highly unlikely they trade him, but I wouldn't be so quick to jump to other conclusions. I've never seen a fanbase as nonplussed by a playoff loss as we were this year, and pretty much to a man, my tailgating buddies all felt like we caught lightning in a bottle with Vick this year, he got exposed late in the season, and is now a high risk proposition in 2011 and beyond.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
They will settle for ONE first round pick, not two. They won't risk getting nothing in 2012.
McNabb would have won that game!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It's a typo and I fixed it. I'm very sorry for the stress this may have caused you. However, I can't promise it won't happen again.
Road Dogg
Footballguy
Fensalk
Footballguy
Cam Newton has a ton more upside. He has a lot of physical tools. He might not be able to play QB at the NFL level, however. He could be Kordell Stewart. He could be Michael Vick. Kolb, however, will probably never be an elite QB in the NFL. I view Kolb as a more of a game manager or stopgap, like Brad Johnson.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Like many starting quarterbacks, he plays well when his O-Line does. And the Eagles O-Line was dreadful for most of the year. Vick is one of the few QBs who can play at a high level even if his O-Line is playing poorly. So of course Kolb is going to look bad compared to Vick. But he looks fine compared to what most teams had to throw out there.
massraider
Footballguy
Does it really do any good to make up wild scenarios that are technically possible, but so unlikely that they aren't worth discussing?
Kolb ain't happy. And he really can't do much about it. The only thing he can do is posture. Some of these other possibilities are ludicrous. Teams aren't going to make backroom deal with some guy with 5 starts, or whatever he has. And what player is going to sit out a year, risk being labeled a malcontent, for the hope that some team keeps a promise? Kolb isn't the first unhappy guy that has ever lived, and barring some weirdness, will ##### and moan all summer, then arrive in August, and be fine. He'll play when Vick gets hurt, and maybe he helps his profile, maybe he hurts it. Assuming he is an Eagle in September. Which I doubt.
Speaking of posturing, the Eagles aren't going to get two 1st rounders for Kolb, and they know that. Any sane fan knows that. Putting that out there is harmless, but if they were offered a 1 and a 2, are they going to say no? Please. Of course they are. A 1 and a 4? A 2nd and a conditional 3rd? Probably. He's a FA after next year, has very few starts. Any team that trades for him has to sign him to a deal, and the front office that trades a 1st+, and dishes out a big contract, is betting its career with that team that he's the man.
My guess is Vick gets a contract. The Eagles I doubt are unhappy with him. There might be some people that are unhappy with him, that were disappointed to find out he wasn't unstoppable.
Kolb, I assume, will get traded. Weird part is that with no CBA, there is a good chance teams cannot make trades before the draft. Eagles fans may have to wait till 2012 to see any return on Kolb.
Kolb ain't happy. And he really can't do much about it. The only thing he can do is posture. Some of these other possibilities are ludicrous. Teams aren't going to make backroom deal with some guy with 5 starts, or whatever he has. And what player is going to sit out a year, risk being labeled a malcontent, for the hope that some team keeps a promise? Kolb isn't the first unhappy guy that has ever lived, and barring some weirdness, will ##### and moan all summer, then arrive in August, and be fine. He'll play when Vick gets hurt, and maybe he helps his profile, maybe he hurts it. Assuming he is an Eagle in September. Which I doubt.
Speaking of posturing, the Eagles aren't going to get two 1st rounders for Kolb, and they know that. Any sane fan knows that. Putting that out there is harmless, but if they were offered a 1 and a 2, are they going to say no? Please. Of course they are. A 1 and a 4? A 2nd and a conditional 3rd? Probably. He's a FA after next year, has very few starts. Any team that trades for him has to sign him to a deal, and the front office that trades a 1st+, and dishes out a big contract, is betting its career with that team that he's the man.
My guess is Vick gets a contract. The Eagles I doubt are unhappy with him. There might be some people that are unhappy with him, that were disappointed to find out he wasn't unstoppable.
Kolb, I assume, will get traded. Weird part is that with no CBA, there is a good chance teams cannot make trades before the draft. Eagles fans may have to wait till 2012 to see any return on Kolb.
