kyle orton named CHI bears starter (1 Viewer)

[Statcruncher]

So, Orton is probably NOT a good play. Can we come to some kind of discussion on whether Berrian, Muhsin, Peterson, and the TEs are worth a look?I remember Orton throwing the ball all over the place at Purdue...and I think he does have a decent arm.

If you are going to bring ancient history into it in the NFL he had 2 games where he went over 200 (207 & 230) yards passing and 2 games with less than 70 (68 & 67) yards passing. If you have a Bears TE not named Clark then you're probably OK. Otherwise any other Bears offensive player (Gould included) is a desperation start in my book. He may have improved and be serviceable but to expect it without him seeing the field since '05 is simply not a good gamble.

 

[Skeetcher]

With gametime less than 24 hrs away I thought I would give this thread a bump for further discussion on whether Orton is capable of moving the Bears down the field and keeping tonights contest competitive.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Maybe Orton and Mark Bradley will relive their success of preseason 2005. Ok, probably not.

I think the only way it stays competitive is if they can force Tavaris into having to do too much. After the way the Vikes ran at Soldier Field, can't see that happening)

JMO If any QB keeps the Bears in the game, it'll be Tavaris (not Orton). I don't have any expectations for Orton. (I guess I've accepted this is just a very poor team right now currently with no QB or RB prospects for the future. Maybe Hester/Wolfe can provide a little spark to an otherwise very disappointing year)

 

[H.K.]

OK, is this little experiment over yet?

Griese at least gives the team a small chance to move the ball through the air.

Is Lovie really dumb enough to start Orton next week?

 

[Limp Ditka]

OK, is this little experiment over yet? Griese at least gives the team a small chance to move the ball through the air.Is Lovie really dumb enough to start Orton next week?

They have nothing to gain by winning games, they only hurt their draft spot. They have nothing to gain by seeing what they have in Greise, they already have done that.It was Orton's first start in almost 2 years. I'm not saying he'll ever be anything, but it hurts nothing to throw him out there for the last 2 games.

 

[H.K.]

OK, is this little experiment over yet? Griese at least gives the team a small chance to move the ball through the air.Is Lovie really dumb enough to start Orton next week?

They have nothing to gain by winning games, they only hurt their draft spot. They have nothing to gain by seeing what they have in Greise, they already have done that.It was Orton's first start in almost 2 years. I'm not saying he'll ever be anything, but it hurts nothing to throw him out there for the last 2 games.

Good points, thanks.

 

[flapgreen]

OK, is this little experiment over yet?

Griese at least gives the team a small chance to move the ball through the air.

Is Lovie really dumb enough to start Orton next week?

They have nothing to gain by winning games, they only hurt their draft spot. They have nothing to gain by seeing what they have in Greise, they already have done that.

It was Orton's first start in almost 2 years. I'm not saying he'll ever be anything, but it hurts nothing to throw him out there for the last 2 games.

I doubt the team looks at it that way.

 

[mbuehner]

OK, is this little experiment over yet? Griese at least gives the team a small chance to move the ball through the air.Is Lovie really dumb enough to start Orton next week?

You mean the 2007 season? How does starting Griese tell you anything about next year? I've never felt that Orton was a legit NFL starter, but i've been wrong before. The Bears have carried him on the roster for this long, if they intend to keep him for a moment longer they need to know exactly what he's good for. Throwing him against the Vikings at the dome with a nonexistant running game and a bunch of silly penalties is hardly a recipe for success. I think you either start him the rest of the way and assess whether he improves, or you cut him now. Carrying three active QBs has always seemed crazy to me when the Bears have made it pretty clear they have no faith in one of them. Whats the point? Nows the time to find out. Its high time to stop pretending this team is going anywhere and start looking down the road.

 

[Mister Martie]

Good for Orton, they'd have 2 more super bowl championships if they didn't bench him.

Guy is nails.

 

[Limp Ditka]

OK, is this little experiment over yet?

Griese at least gives the team a small chance to move the ball through the air.

Is Lovie really dumb enough to start Orton next week?

They have nothing to gain by winning games, they only hurt their draft spot. They have nothing to gain by seeing what they have in Greise, they already have done that.

It was Orton's first start in almost 2 years. I'm not saying he'll ever be anything, but it hurts nothing to throw him out there for the last 2 games.

I doubt the team looks at it that way.

Agreed. But it is time to look at everyone. Assessing talent should be the priority over winning games. No coach in his right mind would tell that to his team, but I think they can start Orton without look like they're throwing into towel bcause everyone on that team knows the other options are just as crappy.

 

[H.K.]

Assessing talent should be the priority over winning games.

Yep. With Griese at QB last night the Bears would have won. The Bears may be playing/coaching to win each week, but they aren't putting their best team on the field in pursuit of that goal.

 

[BroadwayG]

Don't woryy, I still love you Kyle.

 

[TommyGilmore]

How does starting Griese tell you anything about next year?

Maybe because Griese gives you a better idea of how the entire offense performs? How can you evaluate the running game or the line blocking when the defense is artificially stacked on every single play?Watching the game film must be an exercise in futility.

 

[flapgreen]

OK, is this little experiment over yet?

Griese at least gives the team a small chance to move the ball through the air.

Is Lovie really dumb enough to start Orton next week?

They have nothing to gain by winning games, they only hurt their draft spot. They have nothing to gain by seeing what they have in Greise, they already have done that.

It was Orton's first start in almost 2 years. I'm not saying he'll ever be anything, but it hurts nothing to throw him out there for the last 2 games.

I doubt the team looks at it that way.

Agreed. But it is time to look at everyone. Assessing talent should be the priority over winning games. No coach in his right mind would tell that to his team, but I think they can start Orton without look like they're throwing into towel bcause everyone on that team knows the other options are just as crappy.

yeah.

 

[mbuehner]

The Bears biggest problem QB wise seems to be that they think they can take 4 to 5 years to groom and evaluate one. That is simply not tenable in this day and age (aside from the problem that even if they turn out well... oops the contract is up).

Think about this- Grossman was drafted 5 seasons ago. Granted, he's allegedly been a rookie for 4 of them, but there still seems to be a strong sentiment in Hallas Hall that given the right conditions Grossman is the man. He'd almost certainly still be starting if he was healthy. There has not yet been a truly open QB compitition with a healthy Grossman, which is one of the reasons you have Kyle Orton at the end of year 3 FINALLY getting any kind of an audition. Griese made his money up front so he probably isnt going anywhere. There is a real (if insane) chance that these three knuckleheads are your QBs again next year, with Grossman assumedly handed the inside track to start (if tradition indicates anything).

In 5 years the Bears have auditioned 1 QB about as thoroughly as has ever been tried, a bunch of washouts, and a couple of 2nd day draft picks MINIMALLY. Carolina has tried out about that many guys this season already I think. The point is, the Bears need to learn to fish or cut bait. If that means drafting a QB every year until somebody claims the job, so be it. Why hold on to guys that AT BEST are serviceable? How are you going to find a Romo or Garrard like that? Open up the competition and make people earn their roster spots. Lets see some new faces for goodness sake (preferably under the age of 35).

 

[mbuehner]

How does starting Griese tell you anything about next year?

Maybe because Griese gives you a better idea of how the entire offense performs? How can you evaluate the running game or the line blocking when the defense is artificially stacked on every single play?Watching the game film must be an exercise in futility.

This is a chicken or the egg argument. How can you tell how well Griese is performing without a running game (the answer is badly if this season is any indication). I'm looking at the roster at this point and asking guys to give me a reason for their spot. We know what Griese brings to the table, and we know how bad the o-line is, and we know Adrian Peterson isnt a featured back. Why waste time proving those points over and over? We dont know what Orton can do given a couple of games, we arent positive about Garett Wolf (although that is becoming pretty clear). Ask these guys to prove they deserve a roster spot, so this offseason we dont keep carrying dead weight.

 

[TommyGilmore]

How does starting Griese tell you anything about next year?

Maybe because Griese gives you a better idea of how the entire offense performs? How can you evaluate the running game or the line blocking when the defense is artificially stacked on every single play?Watching the game film must be an exercise in futility.

This is a chicken or the egg argument. How can you tell how well Griese is performing without a running game (the answer is badly if this season is any indication). I'm looking at the roster at this point and asking guys to give me a reason for their spot. We know what Griese brings to the table, and we know how bad the o-line is, and we know Adrian Peterson isnt a featured back. Why waste time proving those points over and over? We dont know what Orton can do given a couple of games, we arent positive about Garett Wolf (although that is becoming pretty clear). Ask these guys to prove they deserve a roster spot, so this offseason we dont keep carrying dead weight.

I guarantee you that Adrian Peterson and Garrett Wolfe would rather have Griese or Grossman helping them to prove they deserve a roster spot.

 

[mbuehner]

How does starting Griese tell you anything about next year?

Maybe because Griese gives you a better idea of how the entire offense performs? How can you evaluate the running game or the line blocking when the defense is artificially stacked on every single play?Watching the game film must be an exercise in futility.

This is a chicken or the egg argument. How can you tell how well Griese is performing without a running game (the answer is badly if this season is any indication). I'm looking at the roster at this point and asking guys to give me a reason for their spot. We know what Griese brings to the table, and we know how bad the o-line is, and we know Adrian Peterson isnt a featured back. Why waste time proving those points over and over? We dont know what Orton can do given a couple of games, we arent positive about Garett Wolf (although that is becoming pretty clear). Ask these guys to prove they deserve a roster spot, so this offseason we dont keep carrying dead weight.

I guarantee you that Adrian Peterson and Garrett Wolfe would rather have Griese or Grossman helping them to prove they deserve a roster spot.

I guarantee they want Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, too bad. This is a lot closer to what the Bears are going to look like next year than anything else. If you cant break a tackle here or there or find a way to make a big play with a pretty bad team... we dont need you. Maybe the Pats are looking for a Kevin Faulk type that is good in spot work, but the Bears need a guy that can produce SOMETHING despite having nothing to work with. Sad but true. Moreover that QB slot is more important than anything. We can see what Wolf can give us pretty well this way. You cant tell anything about Orton with him on the sideline.

 

[TommyGilmore]

How does starting Griese tell you anything about next year?

Maybe because Griese gives you a better idea of how the entire offense performs? How can you evaluate the running game or the line blocking when the defense is artificially stacked on every single play?Watching the game film must be an exercise in futility.

This is a chicken or the egg argument. How can you tell how well Griese is performing without a running game (the answer is badly if this season is any indication). I'm looking at the roster at this point and asking guys to give me a reason for their spot. We know what Griese brings to the table, and we know how bad the o-line is, and we know Adrian Peterson isnt a featured back. Why waste time proving those points over and over? We dont know what Orton can do given a couple of games, we arent positive about Garett Wolf (although that is becoming pretty clear). Ask these guys to prove they deserve a roster spot, so this offseason we dont keep carrying dead weight.

I guarantee you that Adrian Peterson and Garrett Wolfe would rather have Griese or Grossman helping them to prove they deserve a roster spot.

I guarantee they want Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, too bad. This is a lot closer to what the Bears are going to look like next year than anything else. If you cant break a tackle here or there or find a way to make a big play with a pretty bad team... we dont need you. Maybe the Pats are looking for a Kevin Faulk type that is good in spot work, but the Bears need a guy that can produce SOMETHING despite having nothing to work with. Sad but true. Moreover that QB slot is more important than anything. We can see what Wolf can give us pretty well this way. You cant tell anything about Orton with him on the sideline.

1. the idea that you need to give a QB multiple starts to "see what he has to offer" is mostly crap. He either has it or he doesn't. Orton hasn't shown any progress in 3 seasons. So what if he hasn't had game experience? He's had plenty of practice experience, and yet he still couldn't elevate himself past the #3 spot on the depth chart.2. for every young QB who benefited from the "let's play him to see what he has to offer" philosophy, there's another QB who saw no benefit whatsoever from it.

3. giving up on veterans in favor of unproven youngsters is why Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson won Superbowls.

4. yeah, the QB spot is more important than the other positions. But not to the detriment of the rest of your team -- especially when you already have a pretty good idea that he's not your Quarterback Of The Future anyway.

 

[protoslacker]

Bring back Cade McNown.

Round one

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College

1 Cleveland Browns Tim Couch Quarterback Kentucky

2 Philadelphia Eagles Donovan McNabb Quarterback Syracuse

3 Cincinnati Bengals Akili Smith Quarterback Oregon

4 Indianapolis Colts Edgerrin James Running Back Miami (FL)

5 New Orleans Saints (From Carolina Panthers via Washington Redskins) Ricky Williams Running Back Texas

6 St. Louis Rams Torry Holt Wide Receiver NC State

7 Washington Redskins (From Chicago Bears) Champ Bailey Cornerback Georgia

8 Arizona Cardinals (From San Diego Chargers) David Boston Wide Receiver Ohio State

9 Detroit Lions Chris Claiborne Linebacker USC

10 Baltimore Ravens Chris McAlister Defensive Back Arizona

11 Minnesota Vikings (From Washington Redskins) Daunte Culpepper Quarterback Central Florida

12 Chicago Bears (From New Orleans Saints via Washington Redskins) Cade McNown Quarterback UCLA

16 Tennessee Titans Jevon Kearse Defensive End Florida

17 New England Patriots (From Seattle Seahawks) Damien Woody Center Boston College

46 New England Patriots Kevin Faulk Running Back LSU

73 Pittsburgh Steelers Joey Porter Outside Linebacker Colorado State

78 Chicago Bears Marty Booker Wide Receiver Louisiana-Monroe

131 Green Bay Packers Aaron Brooks Quarterback Virginia

147 Chicago Bears Jerry Azumah Cornerback New Hampshire

179 Denver Broncos Desmond Clark Tight End Wake Forest

213 Green Bay Packers Donald Driver Wide Receiver Alcorn State

from wikipedia:

McNown was charged in September 1999 with the illegal possession of a handicapped parking pass while playing football at UCLA in 1996, to which he pled no contest. Other players charged included Skip Hicks, Larry Atkins, and Brendon Ayanbadejo.

Other controversies stemmed from McNown's relationship with a number of Playboy Playmates. The first was Miss January 1998 and 1999 Playmate of the Year Heather Kozar, who was dating Cleveland Browns quarterback Tim Couch when McNown began pursuing her; McNown bought her a Porsche and the two dated for a while before Kozar returned to Couch

 

[BroadwayG]

You honestly believe the Bears would have won 2 Super Bowls if they would have stuck with Orton?

The dude just won games. He'd have been Trent Dilfer x2

Alright it was funny at first. Mission accomplished, you can quit now.

Bears finish up 2-1 in the last 3 if Orton starts all 3.

 

[PsychoMan]

Orton to Hester = $$$